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AuH20
06-13-2012, 02:56 PM
Calls Rand a neoconservative.

Infowars has fallen to new lows. Simply stunned. This schmuck is calling for Kentucky to remove Rand Paul!!!! Eff him and Alex who supposedly has full editorial control over all his content!!! Jones will not receive another dime from me purely on principle after an article like this.

http://www.infowars.com/rand-paul-a-neocon-in-libertarian-clothing/

Sola_Fide
06-13-2012, 03:02 PM
He quotes from the meeting with Kristol in 2010, but yet he completely ignores the quotes that show Rand was actually spending much of his time trying to convince them of the insanity of our interventionist policies. This was 2 years ago we found this out. This is just bad journalism.

AuH20
06-13-2012, 03:04 PM
He quotes from the meeting with Kristol in 2010, but yet he completely ignores the quotes that show Rand was actually spending much of his time trying to convince them of the insanity of our interventionist policies. This was 2 years ago we found this out. This is just bad journalism.

It's not just bad journalism. It is the most nefarious form of propaganda. And I'm surprised Alex greenlit this. Wow!

jmdrake
06-13-2012, 03:04 PM
Okay. That is pretty stupid.

specsaregood
06-13-2012, 03:07 PM
It's not just bad journalism. It is the most nefarious form of propaganda. And I'm surprised Alex greenlit this. Wow!

might i suggest screencapping it?

LibertyEagle
06-13-2012, 03:07 PM
If you look at some of the comments, some of the people are buying it. It's sad.

NewRightLibertarian
06-13-2012, 03:23 PM
It's not just bad journalism. It is the most nefarious form of propaganda. And I'm surprised Alex greenlit this. Wow!

Yeah, this is just piling on by rehashing old crap. They should be promoting his industrial hemp or anti-TSA bills, it'd be a much better use of bandwidth.

Sola_Fide
06-13-2012, 03:37 PM
It's not just bad journalism. It is the most nefarious form of propaganda. And I'm surprised Alex greenlit this. Wow!

Definitely. It's a hit piece devoid of the facts. Stuff like this destroys any remaining credibility infowars has.

Aratus
06-13-2012, 03:42 PM
a.g jack conway could feel he might get more votes in 2016 if he challenges sen.rand again...
sec' trey grayson on the other hand may feel he has to follow ole mitch mcconnell in office...
y'all indeedy know all the lesser politicians in kentucky are looking at us in pure amazement...

r3volution
06-13-2012, 04:00 PM
not surprising in the least .

jmdrake
06-13-2012, 04:44 PM
Recent comment from "nakedtruther".

nakedtruther says:
June 13, 2012 at 4:43 pm

Kurt, this is the worst article you’ve ever written. All you’ve done is taken some out of context statements by Rand and wrote a hit piece from it. As ALEX JONES HIMSELF said, Rand’s voting record has been 100% good. Yeah, Rand says things to appeal to certain voters that are too stupid to understand freedom. But he’s proven himself time and down again in the Senate WHERE IT COUNTS! Furthermore Rand hasn’t betrayed anyone, least of all his father. He and Ron talked about this long before the announcement was made.

COpatriot
06-13-2012, 06:34 PM
Jesus. I was as upset over Rand's endorsement of Mittens as anyone else, but this is just getting ridiculous. Infowars is starting to piss me off.

NoOneButPaul
06-13-2012, 06:54 PM
Infowars blows we shouldn't even care what they say.

If Ron had won the POTUS Alex would have been on the internet the next day talking about how the lizard people got him.

Forget him, and keep him away from Tampa.

Joe3113
06-13-2012, 07:14 PM
Alex repeatedly says "I still love Rand for his voting record, but I think this is a bad strategy".

People within organisations can have different opinions. Alex has left-wingers on his show often.

AuH20
06-13-2012, 08:39 PM
Alex repeatedly says "I still love Rand for his voting record, but I think this is a bad strategy".

People within organisations can have different opinions. Alex has left-wingers on his show often.

Alex's lapdog Kurt Nimmo is basically equating Rand Paul with Paul Wolfowitz when he haphazardly throws around such caustic pejoratives as "neoconservative." Anyone with a functioning cerebral cortex knows Rand Paul is not a neoconservative but the shrewd usage of the term is calculated to draw anger and dissent from the very reactionary Infowar audience. I don't see Kurt Nimmo citing Dick Cheney's choice words for the dismissal of Rand Paul when Rand was pitted against Trey Grayson in the republican primary because that would run in direct contrast to the narrative of this hit piece.

No Free Beer
06-13-2012, 08:44 PM
I'm done with Alex Jones.

He is an asshat who is dividing the movement.

Hey, I got an idea...lets do what Alex Jones does and take some legit topic (Rand endorsing Mitt) and blow it way out of proportion to fit our agenda:

"Alex Jones is really part of the establishment because he fools his followers into believing he is for liberty, when at the last second, he sides with Bilderberg and against liberty minded candidates!"

Wow. I wonder if I could make millions like AJ! That was easy!

PierzStyx
06-13-2012, 08:45 PM
It's not just bad journalism. It is the most nefarious form of propaganda. And I'm surprised Alex greenlit this. Wow!

Why? Alex Jones has always been for self-aggrandizing bullcrap. If he can make himself bigger by out right lying about someone else, he'll do it. The man is like Glenn beck, he can convince himself of anything as long as it benefits his bottom line.

AuH20
06-13-2012, 08:50 PM
I'm done with Alex Jones.

He is an asshat who is dividing the movement.

Hey, I got an idea...lets do what Alex Jones does and take some legit topic (Rand endorsing Mitt) and blow it way out of proportion to fit our agenda:

"Alex Jones is really part of the establishment because he fools his followers into believing he is for liberty, when at the last second, he sides with Bilderberg and against liberty minded candidates!"

Wow. I wonder if I could make millions like AJ! That was easy!

Look at this email Infowars sent me today. They are pushing this hard:


Infowars.com Readers Overwhelmingly Reject Rand Paul's Romney Endorsement
Infowars.com

Not surprisingly, a preponderant majority of Infowars.com readers do not favor Kentucky Senator Rand Paul's decision to support the seasoned globalist Mitt Romney's presidential bid or Paul's decision to work inside the Republican Party.

Following the announcement last week and a tsunami of negative feedback in response, the younger Paul has attempted to defend the fateful decision.

"Senator Paul asked his supporters and supporters of his father to be reasonable rather than reactionary as the liberty movement goes forward. He also challenged liberty lovers to participate in the political process rather than stay on the sidelines," writes Kevin Kervick.

The Libertarian Party wasted little time excoriating Paul: "No true libertarian, no true friend of liberty, and no true blue Tea Partier could possibly even consider, much less actually endorse or approve of, the Father of Obamacare, Big Government tax and spender, Republican Mitt Romney," a statement exclaimed.

Libertarians and other supporters who assumed Rand would reflect the philosophy of his father were outraged by the obvious betrayal and complained that "many of his fund-raising appeals were sent to the donors and supporters of his father…. designed to convince Ron's supporters that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. That Rand was, like his legendary father, a steadfast champion of liberty."

Paul told Peter Schiff in a radio interview that his endorsement was strictly political. "In order for him to get support during his Senate bid in 2010, Paul had to convince his potential backers that he was a Republican and would back the GOP presidential nominee, which his father did not do in 2008. Paul also notes, though not in these words, that it's a little absurd to cast him aside as a traitor when he is part of the liberty movement and push our issues in the Senate," writes Jason Pye for United Liberty.

Rand Paul's explanation is weak at best. His chameleon act – pretending to be a dyed-in-the-wool statist Republican in order to advance libertarian ideals – will not fly and will certainly not fool the establishment. Liberty is anathema to both establishment parties and will not be tolerated if he refuses to embrace the fold.

Unfortunately, Rand Paul is merely another statist Republican who pandered to the Tea Party (now little more than a cheering section for the state) and libertarians in order to get their support.

It remains to be seen if his career will survive.

Talk about Horseshit. Where is Alex going with this??? Is he getting funds from Langley we don't know about??? :)

No Free Beer
06-13-2012, 08:50 PM
Another thing I have noticed about Jones is that when something major happens he always answers with, "I knew it was going to happen. I have been studying it."

If ya fucking knew it, you woulda said something.

Fucking bullshit.

Origanalist
06-13-2012, 08:51 PM
If Ron had won the POTUS Alex would have been on the internet the next day talking about how the lizard people got him.

But they did! I saw them, can't you tell?

No Free Beer
06-13-2012, 08:52 PM
Look at this email Infowars sent me today. They are pushing this hard:



Talk about Horseshit. Where is Alex going with this??? Is he getting funds from Langley we don't know about??? :)

I don't go on infowars often, but I did today and I have been going the last couple of days to see what he is posting about Rand and Ron, and it's pure bullshit.

On prisonplanet, he even has something on Ron not announcing his attendance for the RP Festival.

Again, Alex is an asshat. Eff him.

AuH20
06-13-2012, 08:54 PM
I don't go on infowars often, but I did today and I have been going the last couple of days to see what he is posting about Rand and Ron, and it's pure bullshit.

On prisonplanet, he even has something on Ron not announcing his attendance for the RP Festival.

Again, Alex is an asshat. Eff him.

I liked Alex. I thought, hey he's different but he's helping in other ways. After this stunt, I'm not so sure. This passive-aggressive disinfo campaign he's running against Rand is unforgivable.

No Free Beer
06-13-2012, 08:56 PM
I liked Alex. I thought, hey he's different but he's helping in other ways. After this stunt, I'm not so sure. This passive-aggressive disinfo campaign he's running against Rand is unforgivable.

He is good at offering another side. But just like with everything, I take it with a grain of salt. Now with this shit, I will block him off.

He got exposed when he was at this years Bilderberg, when a Daily Caller writer asked him a question he couldn't answer.

mport1
06-13-2012, 08:58 PM
Infowars has fallen to new lows. Simply stunned. This schmuck is calling for Kentucky to remove Rand Paul!!!! Eff him and Alex who supposedly has full editorial control over all his content!!! Jones will not receive another dime from me purely on principle after an article like this.

http://www.infowars.com/rand-paul-a-neocon-in-libertarian-clothing/

Good! Hopefully more people will stop paying attention to their nonsense and instead focus on things that will actually help advance the ideas of liberty.

AuH20
06-13-2012, 09:04 PM
He is good at offering another side. But just like with everything, I take it with a grain of salt. Now with this shit, I will block him off.

He got exposed when he was at this years Bilderberg, when a Daily Caller writer asked him a question he couldn't answer.

The Daily Caller reporter was trying to ambush him with gotcha questions. Nevertheless, Jones seems to be this control freak that thrives on being the sole authority on what is genuine and what is establishment. Alex Jones is the omniscient one. No one else.

Pisces
06-13-2012, 09:05 PM
I liked Alex. I thought, hey he's different but he's helping in other ways. After this stunt, I'm not so sure. This passive-aggressive disinfo campaign he's running against Rand is unforgivable.

I used to like Alex too despite his eccentricities. Now though, I'm starting to think that Infowars will soon be a full-fledged OWS-style leftie-LaRouchite site with Alex as the ranting figurehead.

Feeding the Abscess
06-13-2012, 09:07 PM
I used to like Alex too despite his eccentricities. Now though, I'm starting to think that Infowars will soon be a full-fledged OWS-style leftie-LaRouchite site with Alex as the ranting figurehead.

It's always been a LaRouche if LaRouche were right-wing movement.

Pisces
06-13-2012, 09:10 PM
It's always been a LaRouche if LaRouche were right-wing movement.

?

LaRouche is a socialist. He's tried to appeal to right-wingers with some of his rhetoric but his "solutions" place him in the left.

AuH20
06-13-2012, 09:11 PM
Secondly, why doesn't Alex out Luke Radomski for his questionable accounting practices with We Are Change? Where is that Infowars exclusive???

No Free Beer
06-13-2012, 09:12 PM
The Daily Caller reporter was trying to ambush him with gotcha questions. Nevertheless, Jones seems to be this control freak that thrives on being the sole authority on what is genuine and what is establishment. Alex Jones is the omniscient one. No one else.

I agree that the Daily Caller writer should have identified himself. That was not professional. However, if you look at Alex Jones' response, he didn't know what to say other than to mock the man.

Feeding the Abscess
06-13-2012, 10:56 PM
?

LaRouche is a socialist. He's tried to appeal to right-wingers with some of his rhetoric but his "solutions" place him in the left.

If LaRouche were right-wing, he'd be Alex Jones.

Make more sense?

Intoxiklown
06-13-2012, 11:40 PM
I'd never heard of Alex Jones until I came to these forums. I make it a habit to read the source articles on any opinion piece I read, and needless to say, when I apply this habit with their "articles", I find serious leaps in logic with their conclusions.

Being an indifferent observer to him, he is obviously trying to use this Rand endorsement as a way to set himself up as a key figure in the Ron Paul movement (more viewers, more listeners, more money), knowing that Ron is getting out of politics. Jones is an opportunistic whore, and I suggest he be treated as such.

NewRightLibertarian
06-13-2012, 11:43 PM
I'd never heard of Alex Jones until I came to these forums. I make it a habit to read the source articles on any opinion piece I read, and needless to say, when I apply this habit with their "articles", I find serious leaps in logic with their conclusions.

Being an indifferent observer to him, he is obviously trying to use this Rand endorsement as a way to set himself up as a key figure in the Ron Paul movement (more viewers, more listeners, more money), knowing that Ron is getting out of politics. Jones is an opportunistic whore, and I suggest he be treated as such.

Or maybe he doesn't want the liberty movement to succumb to the likes of Mitt Romney?

Sola_Fide
06-13-2012, 11:59 PM
Or maybe he doesn't want the liberty movement to succumb to the likes of Mitt Romney?

The Liberty movement isn't changing. The GOP is changing.

Intoxiklown
06-14-2012, 12:00 AM
Or maybe he doesn't want the liberty movement to succumb to the likes of Mitt Romney?

If that was the case, he'd be cautioning against rash judgments, suggesting people wait for the facts, and encouraging people to stop the infighting and keep the liberty movement growing. He is being divisive, and if you need proof of that, just read the comments in the linked article alone.

Kokesh and he are both making inflamatory comments and are causing some serious divides to arise. This is not how leaders act, nor is that someone you want to follow.

NewRightLibertarian
06-14-2012, 12:24 AM
If that was the case, he'd be cautioning against rash judgments, suggesting people wait for the facts, and encouraging people to stop the infighting and keep the liberty movement growing. He is being divisive, and if you need proof of that, just read the comments in the linked article alone.

That's not really his style though.

I'm not a fan of the article, but I am also not a fan of Rand's endorsement (especially the way it was done). I guess I'm torn.

Intoxiklown
06-14-2012, 12:45 AM
That's not really his style though.

I'm not a fan of the article, but I am also not a fan of Rand's endorsement (especially the way it was done). I guess I'm torn.

I can totally understand that, and am the same way myself. I don't buy into the theory that Rand "sold out" though, as his past and current voting record and political stances argue the contrary. I see it more as a gamble, in that they are betting Mitt will lose against Obama. I myself also subscribe to this, in that Mitt can't win. Since Ron came out and said he won't have enough delegates to secure the nomination, I see this as laying ground work for GOP support for Rand to run in 2016. I don't think this is about a Rand VP slot at all. As much as a lot of people keep talking about the rise of a 3rd party, this is simply not feasible. The current mindset of slowly but surely taking over the GOP is the correct path, albeit slow and painful.

And knowing this, Rand will need support from within the GOP and he is more likely to get it from the Mitt style Republicans. We are slowly picking up seats across the nation, and the liberty movement has seen huge increases in numbers and support since 2008. However, if we want a legitimate shot at the 2016 election, we're going to need help. And if a simple endorsement is the price for this help, then that is more than worth it in my opinion. Because if this endorsement gets us access to Mitt's fundraising ability, it will more than pay for itself.

July
06-14-2012, 06:00 AM
It seems really disingenuous that infowars would attack Rand like this for endorsing Romney now all of a sudden, when it was on a recent interview with Alex that Rand said he was going to support the nominee and it would most likely be Romney, because he was close to having the number of delegates. There was no outrage then. And in fact, Alex seemed agreeable, and seemed to think it was unlikely Ron was going to get the nomination anyway. He's been saying he would endorse the nominee all year. So the idea that this is some nefarious out of the blue deal all of a sudden, is a stretch. So at worst, Alex is trying to capitalize on the movement for his own gain, and he is one of those people Doug Wead talked about in the Conspiracy Movement just looking to make money. Or, at best, an alternative explanation for the smear campaign against Rand might be that it is intentional (to persuade his audience), to distance and disengage Rand (and the Ron Paul movement) from the Conspiracy Movement.


Rand Paul's explanation is weak at best. His chameleon act – pretending to be a dyed-in-the-wool statist Republican in order to advance libertarian ideals – will not fly and will certainly not fool the establishment. Liberty is anathema to both establishment parties and will not be tolerated if he refuses to embrace the fold.

Unfortunately, Rand Paul is merely another statist Republican who pandered to the Tea Party (now little more than a cheering section for the state) and libertarians in order to get their support.

It remains to be seen if his career will survive.

*shrug* I don't know. I've never really followed AJ that closely, but I've always felt he was a bit of an actor/entertainer first and foremost, so I view a lot of the things he does in that light. This is good for Alex, increasing viewers who are drawn into the drama, and maybe doing Rand a favor at the same time, distancing him from being associated with 'kooky conspiracy theories' etc. Hence these weird dramatic articles speculating about Rand being a 'double agent' etc. It's show.

Weston White
06-14-2012, 06:07 AM
He got exposed when he was at this years Bilderberg, when a Daily Caller writer asked him a question he couldn't answer.

That reporter was asking completely lame, out of line questions -ambush journalism. Clearly, he was trying to broadcast a hit piece on Alex. If it were me I would have called him an utter fool and to go get lost down the street.

That being said, I am not happy about the direction that the Infowars/Prisonplanet crew are taking this entire situation. Both this article and that email are utter bunkum. Screw-off to the lame-duck authors!

Liberty74
06-14-2012, 06:27 AM
God so many in RPF are melodramatic. No one called for the removal of Rand Paul. The writer is suggesting if what he heard is true about Rand possibly being more swayed to the neocons than say non agressive wars like his father, then maybe the people of KY should vote him out.

What's the big freaking deal with posing such question?

GEEZ!

Infowars and Alex does far more for liberty and waking people up to what is really going on in politics and with kur government than the crooked Republicans so many in RPF want to buddy up with. So STFU!

Liberty74
06-14-2012, 06:35 AM
I agree that the Daily Caller writer should have identified himself. That was not professional. However, if you look at Alex Jones' response, he didn't know what to say other than to mock the man.

You need to watch the video again. Alex did answer the Daily Caller after mocking his very stupid question which was completely deserved. The journalist asked "Well if Bilderberg is all powerful, how in the world are you allowed to protest against them?" Defending the stupid ambush question by anyone in here is indefensible regardless of your view of Alex. It's called the Constituion, what's left of it.

The Daily Caller in effect was trying to portray that Bilderberg was not powerful. The question was based on a LIE. Alex doesn't take shit like Ron Paul did during the primary.

Liberty74
06-14-2012, 06:44 AM
The Liberty movement isn't changing. The GOP is changing.

The GOP is changing? LMAO. Let me know when that happens. The Republicans just elected a self proclaimed progressive who has flip flopped in every issue. Vote for Socialist 1 or Socialist 2 lite. Yep, the GOP is changing.

What is changing is those in the liberty movement. The Republicans are using Rand to co-opt our message, hence herd you. Do you honestly think the GOP cares about you? Those who are submitting and budding up to this herding are breaking up the movement and will set it back decades.

specsaregood
06-14-2012, 06:52 AM
The GOP is changing? LMAO. Let me know when that happens. The Republicans just elected a self proclaimed progressive who has flip flopped in every issue. Vote for Socialist 1 or Socialist 2 lite. Yep, the GOP is changing.

What is changing is those in the liberty movement. The Republicans are using Rand to co-opt our message, hence herd you. Do you honestly think the GOP cares about you? Those who are submitting and budding up to this herding are breaking up the movement and will set it back decades.

if you haven't gotten excited about what those being "herded" have accomplished in this past year inside the GOP, then either you havent been paying attention or you were never interested in using political action to fight back.

AuH20
06-14-2012, 08:12 AM
The GOP is changing? LMAO. Let me know when that happens. The Republicans just elected a self proclaimed progressive who has flip flopped in every issue. Vote for Socialist 1 or Socialist 2 lite. Yep, the GOP is changing.

What is changing is those in the liberty movement. The Republicans are using Rand to co-opt our message, hence herd you. Do you honestly think the GOP cares about you? Those who are submitting and budding up to this herding are breaking up the movement and will set it back decades.

Herd us?? We can't even agree on the color of the sky on most days. LOL Rand knows what he's doing. He needs a platform to communicate and he will accomplish this through the GOP. There has been a widening schism between the GOP overlords and those who vote republican since TARP was passed. The GOP hierarchy is trending down, while Rand Paul and co. is trending upwards. The McCains, Lamar Alexanders and Lindsay Grahams are on the run, while the primary voters have already dismissed serial crooks Bennett and Lugar. Times are a changing, and we intend to ride the wave...........

COpatriot
06-14-2012, 09:20 AM
Herd us?? We can't even agree on the color of the sky on most days. LOL Rand knows what he's doing. He needs a platform to communicate and he will accomplish this through the GOP. There has been a widening schism between the GOP overlords and those who vote republican since TARP was passed. The GOP hierarchy is trending down, while Rand Paul and co. is trending upwards. The McCains, Lamar Alexanders and Lindsay Grahams are on the run, while the primary voters have already dismissed serial crooks Bennett and Lugar. Times are a changing, and we intend to ride the wave...........

They're on the run from their own shadows, i.e. "small-government constitutionalists" like Marco Rubio and Allen West.

Intoxiklown
06-14-2012, 10:56 AM
God so many in RPF are melodramatic. No one called for the removal of Rand Paul. The writer is suggesting if what he heard is true about Rand possibly being more swayed to the neocons than say non agressive wars like his father, then maybe the people of KY should vote him out.

What's the big freaking deal with posing such question?

GEEZ!

Infowars and Alex does far more for liberty and waking people up to what is really going on in politics and with kur government than the crooked Republicans so many in RPF want to buddy up with. So STFU!

So, for infowars to pose "questions" based on zero facts, and pure speculation is good. But anyone daring to question infowars' motivation needs to "STFU"?

Interesting logic there.

donnay
06-14-2012, 11:03 AM
I'm done with Alex Jones.

He is an asshat who is dividing the movement.

Hey, I got an idea...lets do what Alex Jones does and take some legit topic (Rand endorsing Mitt) and blow it way out of proportion to fit our agenda:

"Alex Jones is really part of the establishment because he fools his followers into believing he is for liberty, when at the last second, he sides with Bilderberg and against liberty minded candidates!"

Wow. I wonder if I could make millions like AJ! That was easy!


I think Rand did a bang up job of dividing and deluding the message--not Jones.

jmdrake
06-14-2012, 11:10 AM
God so many in RPF are melodramatic. No one called for the removal of Rand Paul. The writer is suggesting if what he heard is true about Rand possibly being more swayed to the neocons than say non agressive wars like his father, then maybe the people of KY should vote him out.

What's the big freaking deal with posing such question?

GEEZ!

Infowars and Alex does far more for liberty and waking people up to what is really going on in politics and with kur government than the crooked Republicans so many in RPF want to buddy up with. So STFU!

Nonsense. It was a hit piece. Kurt Nimmo didn't just "ask questions" he made stupid statements like: Early on, Rand Paul was drinking the neocon kool-aid. It's clear with anyone with half a brain that Rand has been playing a roll, saying what the neocons want to hear and the voting a different way. Alex Jones has repeatedly said, even after the endorsement, that he respects Rand's voting record. So why doesn't Kurt even mention it?

specsaregood
06-14-2012, 11:11 AM
I think Rand did a bang up job of dividing and deluding the message--not Jones.

We can only divide ourselves.

donnay
06-14-2012, 11:21 AM
We can only divide ourselves.

The elites are dividing us!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEzWhPFb0HQ&feature=related

specsaregood
06-14-2012, 11:22 AM
The elites are dividing us!

But only if we allow it. If I refuse to work with one of you on an issue we agree upon only because of Rand Paul's endorsement, then that is my/our choice to divide, not anybody elses. I'm not going to allow myself to be divided that way, are you?

donnay
06-14-2012, 11:25 AM
But only if we allow it. If I refuse to work with one of you on an issue we agree upon only because of Rand Paul's endorsement, then that is my/our choice to divide, not anybody elses. I'm not going to allow myself to be divided that way, are you?

Oh no by no means am I going to stop the campaign for liberty. Rand just helped the elites continue the politics as usual and continue the two party charade.

specsaregood
06-14-2012, 11:29 AM
Oh no by no means am I going to stop the campaign for liberty. Rand just helped the elites continue the politics as usual and continue the two party charade.

So he didn't divide us? We probably already disagree on the same thing we disagreed on before it happened and agree upon the same things as well.

donnay
06-14-2012, 11:41 AM
So he didn't divide us? We probably already disagree on the same thing we disagreed on before it happened and agree upon the same things as well.

Let me clarify. I will not stop the campaign, meaning my campaign, for liberty. I believe Rand did divide us by making the announcement on Sean Hannity who gleefully loved he had the exclusive to help divide us!!!

specsaregood
06-14-2012, 11:49 AM
Let me clarify. I will not stop the campaign, meaning my campaign, for liberty. I believe Rand did divide us by making the announcement on Sean Hannity who gleefully loved he had the exclusive to help divide us!!!

Do you think Rand's intentions were for evil?

xFiFtyOnE
06-14-2012, 11:52 AM
I've had just about enough of Alex Jones. He's a fucking nut and I'm tired of Ron and Rand supporters being associated with him. :mad:

Sola_Fide
06-14-2012, 12:14 PM
The GOP is changing? LMAO. Let me know when that happens. The Republicans just elected a self proclaimed progressive who has flip flopped in every issue. Vote for Socialist 1 or Socialist 2 lite. Yep, the GOP is changing.

What is changing is those in the liberty movement. The Republicans are using Rand to co-opt our message, hence herd you. Do you honestly think the GOP cares about you? Those who are submitting and budding up to this herding are breaking up the movement and will set it back decades.

Yes, the GOP is changing. Thomas Massie would have been considered a fringe nut or even a lefty 4 to 8 years ago. I have witnessed with my own eyes average Republicans becoming more principled on liberty issues.

donnay
06-14-2012, 02:05 PM
Do you think Rand's intentions were for evil?


No, not necessarily. But I do think he has been deceived, by the GOP.

HankXavier
06-14-2012, 02:31 PM
I don't read infowars but I reject this Rand endorsement entirely and contend it is THAT endorsement that caused this division, not the ranting of a moonbat no one with any sense takes seriously.

RonPaulFanInGA
06-14-2012, 02:56 PM
Another sterling piece from disInfowars.

Cowlesy
06-14-2012, 02:59 PM
Well I hope Rand's staff sees it so they can stop him wasting time giving Alex Jones interviews as I know Rand has on several occasions.

sailingaway
06-14-2012, 03:00 PM
I changed the title and put the neoconservative part into the OP post because that title was being bumped on the front page every time one of you posted in the thread, meaning it was likely coming to the top of google searches on Rand, as well. Title word choice honestly does matter.

Weston White
06-14-2012, 03:42 PM
I changed the title and put the neoconservative part into the OP post because that title was being bumped on the front page every time one of you posted in the thread, meaning it was likely coming to the top of google searches on Rand, as well. Title word choice honestly does matter.

What about making it: Infowars.com Kurt Nimmo's contrived neocon article

That why it shines poorly upon both Infowars and Kurt (for having so desperately pushed this issue to a point beyond absurdity).

jmdrake
06-14-2012, 03:50 PM
I changed the title and put the neoconservative part into the OP post because that title was being bumped on the front page every time one of you posted in the thread, meaning it was likely coming to the top of google searches on Rand, as well. Title word choice honestly does matter.

I thought Media Spin articles didn't show up on Google? :confused:

r3volution
06-14-2012, 04:00 PM
I thought Media Spin articles didn't show up on Google? :confused:

so did i . please clarify .

sailingaway
06-14-2012, 04:37 PM
so did i . please clarify .

Well, I think it does. It showed up to me. I'll check.

sailingaway
06-14-2012, 04:40 PM
:o

well, apparently it was on the front page to me because I was logged in. When I logged out, I didn't see it. So maybe it doesn't show in google. Sorry!