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John F Kennedy III
06-12-2012, 02:38 PM
North Dakota Votes for Measure to Dump Confiscatory Property Taxes
Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
June 12, 2012
The people of North Dakota will go to the polls today and decide if the state should abolish property taxes. The measure is opposed by the state Chamber of Commerce, agribusiness, government unions, politicians and others feeding at the public trough.
As should be expected, the establishment media is attempting to demonize the move. “Measure 2, as the proposal is called on the ballot, would require state government to make up for property tax revenue lost by local governments but doesn’t specify how,” reports USA Today.
“The property tax is the foundation of local government services,” Connie Sprynczynatyk, executive director of the North Dakota League of Cities, told the newspaper. “It’s the predictable source of revenue to pay for police and fire and other local services in the community where you live.”
The opposition has raised $500,000 to defeat the proposed law. If passed, they warn, the measure will deplete the state’s coffer by $812 million.
Politicians are naturally aghast. “It’s mind-boggling, really, we’d be changing everything, frankly,” said Republican governor Jack Dalrymple.
North Dakota will have police and fire service after the measure passes. The law is intended to force the state to get approval for new taxes from voters for a specific purpose instead of confiscating money at gunpoint and then finding ways to spend it.
“Americans don’t realize they are being gamed and huge surpluses could be realized if every tax was designated for a specific purpose rather than giving government an open checkbook to spend what revenues are collected,” writes Bill Sardi.
James Madison and the founders knew that without property there is tyranny. If the state has the power to take property for failure to pay taxes, it has the power to deny liberty.
“Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions,” Madison wrote.
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jbauer
06-12-2012, 02:59 PM
Interesting concept. I have no doubt it will pass....you want to pay less taxes? Check yes or no. However, they need to find ways to pay for the colletive services needed by a community. We can debate those all day long but it will be interesting to see what happens here.
I wonder with all the mineral rights coming into play in the Baccken shale field if the tax base increase significantly with those mineral rights? I also beleive that it would be great to require the government to get the taxpayers to approve what they spend by us the owners of said governement.
John F Kennedy III
06-12-2012, 03:09 PM
Apparently the current poll has it failing 70% to 21%
jbauer
06-12-2012, 03:10 PM
Then they've done a exceptional job of brainwashing the public into thinking goverenment can't do anything without tightening its belt like everyone else in the US of A
satchelmcqueen
06-12-2012, 03:22 PM
down with property taxes!
Uncle Emanuel Watkins
06-12-2012, 03:23 PM
Interesting concept. I have no doubt it will pass....you want to pay less taxes? Check yes or no. However, they need to find ways to pay for the colletive services needed by a community. We can debate those all day long but it will be interesting to see what happens here.
I wonder with all the mineral rights coming into play in the Baccken shale field if the tax base increase significantly with those mineral rights? I also beleive that it would be great to require the government to get the taxpayers to approve what they spend by us the owners of said governement.
Easy. Cut all government wages in half. Make higher government positions voluntary. Tax lawyers fifty percent of their wages.
It is a great shame when the people are made to live under a bridge. It isn't when lawyers have to do so because they are the ones who legislate the shame.
NoOneButPaul
06-12-2012, 03:29 PM
Will they be the first state to do it?
If so i'll be moving there before I buy my first piece of land...
Keith and stuff
06-12-2012, 03:34 PM
Will they be the first state to do it?
If so i'll be moving there before I buy my first piece of land...
There are already parts of NH and AK without a personal income tax, a general sales tax or property taxes. The places in NH even have roads. These are some of the least populated places in the US. I've never heard of a liberty activist ever moving to any of these places. You might even be able to move to some of the places in NH if you want to cut wood for a living.
My point is, the communities already exist and people aren't moving to them :(
There are already parts of NH and AK without a personal income tax, a general sales tax or property taxes. The places in NH even have roads. These are some of the least populated places in the US.
Where do they get the money for the roads?
rockerrockstar
06-12-2012, 03:38 PM
If it fails it will be because of people that don't own property not wanting to pay higher taxes (taxes of other types would need raised to make up for the loss of property taxes).
Keith and stuff
06-12-2012, 03:46 PM
Where do they get the money for the roads?
The government roads are paid for by gas taxes, auto registration fees, county property taxes (paid by people not in the area but in other parts of the county) and timber taxes among other things. There aren't a great deal of government roads as the areas are very low populated. Some government services are contracted out privately to near-by communities.
The government roads are paid for by gas taxes, auto registration fees, county property taxes (paid by people not in the area but in other parts of the county) and timber taxes among other things. There aren't a great deal of government roads as the areas are very low populated. Some government services are contracted out privately to near-by communities.
Ok, so I guess it's fair to say they have a partial sales tax (to some products, not all) and registration fees.
Keith and stuff
06-12-2012, 04:02 PM
Ok, so I guess it's fair to say they have a partial sales tax (to some products, not all) and registration fees.
All states have state sales taxes, excise taxes and/or gross receipt taxes on a variety of good and/or services. The so called no general sales tax states vary. AK, NH, DE, MT and OR (the no general sales tax states) all have excise taxes and registration fees. AK allows local sales taxes. DE has state gross receipt taxes. And so on. As for these particular communities in NH, I don't think any of them have any stores.
QueenB4Liberty
06-12-2012, 05:56 PM
Wow. Hard to imagine a place with no property taxes.
GeorgiaAvenger
06-12-2012, 07:12 PM
Ballot measure 2: http://results.sos.nd.gov/resultsSW.aspx?text=BQ&type=SW&map=CTY
ronpaulfollower999
06-12-2012, 07:29 PM
Ballot measure 2: http://results.sos.nd.gov/resultsSW.aspx?text=BQ&type=SW&map=CTY
Yuck. Not looking too hot.
green73
06-13-2012, 12:51 AM
Yuck. Not looking too hot.
People are such fucking slaves!
Uncle Emanuel Watkins
06-13-2012, 11:53 AM
People are such fucking slaves!
The origination of the word slave was a derogatory expression used towards Slavic people or those who reminded Europeans of the lowly eastern European Slav. The Slavs were the ones enslaved by those armies hell bent on breaking up the Roman empire namely the Scandinavians and the Mongols. They weren't enslaved outright by these warmongering whore mongers (well, that is what they were), but the Slavic men were institutionalized by them to serve as their infantry while the Slavic women were institutionalized to serve as their whores (The long tradition of Slavic women being sold to the turks to serve as their whores). But these particular slavic slaves understood what liberty meant.
So, in actuality, we aren't fucking slaves.
Please try to grasp the harm of this fallacy as it is causing the majority of our nation lots of persecution. An unwilling person can't be made into a bondsman slave. The definition of this type of bondsman slave is they are a person who doesn't own their own soul to the degree that their master can end their life as they see fit.
Along the Ivory Coast of the African continent, Africans were willing bondsman slaves. They performed so to a master class peacefully without knowledge of a better way of life being born into the condition. This type of slavery takes place over a long period of time the process happening below the consciences of slave and master class alike. This same type of degrading situation happened to the Hebrews as they slowly fell into subjection to the Egyptians.
So, we aren't fucking slaves because, at the present, we don't want to be fucking slaves. Now, we can see clearly today how our nation's posterity is headed down a return path to tyranny.
Please get this straight.
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