What Are The Biggest Threats to Liberty Today?

[AGRP]

Central banks and democracy?

[farreri]

Endorsing Mitt.






Sorry, still a little peeved.

[mrsat_98]

Central banks and democracy? Central Banks.

[heavenlyboy34]

Political parties.

[ronpaulfollower999]

People who vote.

[farreri]

Diebold.

[paulbot24]

Television.

[heavenlyboy34]

People who vote.lolz :D so true

[BuddyRey]

Internal betrayal and compromise in our own movement.

[ShaneEnochs]

Rice pudding.

[Xhin]

I have to agree with Rice Pudding as well.

[ProIndividual]

the state (so the monopoly on capital, aka the central banking monopoly AND democracy both)

I don't think you can separate them.

If I had to choose? I'd end democracy in favor of private law (privatized courts), private defense (privatized military), no taxes, and no Presidency or Congress. Then we have no funding going to the state effectively beyond donations, and could easily privatize mail, fire service, police service, welfare, and banking.

There's no need for compulsory democracy if you privatize all that stuff...that's why I choose that first. Ultimately democracy led to the central bank, not vice versa.

[paulbot24]

Too much discouragement and crying on a Friday night.

[DamianTV]

Central banks and democracy?

Banks and Corporations controlling Governments.

[John F Kennedy III]

Lack of bacon pudding.

[libertygrl]

THIS: ZIONISM

Read on:

AMERICA LAST: WILL ZIONIST PRESSURE FORCE RAND TO REWRITE RON’S AMERICA-FIRST FOREIGN POLICY?

By Michael Collins Piper

Is Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), son of iconic Texas Republican Rep. Ron Paul, planning to “rewrite” the traditional nationalist and non-interventionist foreign policy stance of the grassroots movement that’s coalesced around his father’s two consecutive bids for the GOP presidential nomination? Is the younger Paul planning to make moves to capture the support of pro-Israel Christian evangelicals by shifting away from his own father’s stands which have, in the past, alienated those voters?

That’s the well-founded speculation emerging in the wake of a provocative and revealing article that appeared on May 3, 2012 in Business Insider (BI).

In the article, entitled “PHASE TWO OF THE RON PAUL REVOLUTION HAS BEGUN: Rand Paul Is Already Getting Ready To Run In 2016,” BI reported that Rand is, even now, working to enhance his own visibility in Iowa, actively courting Iowa voters, even as his father’s campaign for the 2012 Republican nomination winds down. And considering the fact that followers of the senior Paul now constitute “the best network in the state of Iowa,” according to talk show host Steve Deace, a conservative leader cited by BI, this could provide the Kentucky senator a strong base of support for a 2016 presidential run.

Noting that Ron Paul backers have taken over key positions in the state’s GOP, Deace says that the Paul supporters “are” the Republican Party in Iowa. Said Deace: “If Rand Paul wants to run for president, he will have that organization as a huge advantage over everyone else.”

In addition, BI reported, the younger Paul is working to enhance his own ties to Christian evangelicals, “most of whom,” BI noted, “have never been particularly taken with the elder Paul.”

One key Iowa evangelical, David Lane—who opposed Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012—has approached Rand Paul about a trip to Israel. BI said Lane’s overture was “part of a larger discussion about Rand’s position on the Jewish state, which has been a political landmine for the elder Paul.”


BI noted that “Lane’s interest in Rand’s Israel positions also underscores the opportunity that the younger Paul has to rewrite parts of the narrative about the Ron Paul movement, specifically regarding national security and foreign policy issues.” Note very carefully the word “rewrite.” BI added that “the fact that such an idea even exists indicates that Sen. Paul’s potential candidacy is being taken very seriously by conservatives.”

That Rand would begin making moves to assuage the concerns of the pro-Israel lobby comes as no surprise to those who’ve been monitoring his political maneuvering since he ran for the Senate in 2010. Then—and since—Rand engaged in rhetoric quite different from his father’s vis-à-vis efforts to ramp up American support for action against Iran, a longtime pet project of the neocons who are among Ron Paul’s most vituperous critics.

Rand’s chief tactician in 2010—deployed to his campaign by the Republican National Committee—was Trygve Olson, who was deeply enmeshed in the global intrigues of the International Republican Institute (IRI), a neocon venture chaired by warmongering Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a fervent internationalist.

Outspoken columnist Paul Craig Roberts has called IRI “an election-rigging tool of U.S. hegemony,” an apt description inasmuch as the IRI is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy, which specializes in meddling in the political affairs of other countries—a position totally contrary to the non-interventionist point of view so effectively articulated by Ron Paul.

h ttp://americanfreepress.net/?p=4189 (http://h ttp://americanfreepress.net/?p=4189)

[Republicanguy]

I think ultimately energy resource decline, that is a big threat on our way of life and possibly freedom in a number of ways.

[pcosmar]

Banks and Corporations controlling Governments.

All roads lead to Rothschild.

[Travlyr]

Dishonesty.

Central banks. All roads lead to Rothschild.

[wrestlingwes_8]

Compromising principle

AKA endorsing Romney

[matt0611]

Fluoride and chem-trails.

[torchbearer]

What Are The Biggest Threats to Liberty Today?

reading the forum today, i'd say the biggest threat to liberty is ourselves.
people need to get their emotions under control. neocon and libtards are probably coming here for a good laugh.
you can only control your actions. <insert serenity prayer here> find zen.

[FrancisMarion]

shortsightedness and not being cool. Cool doesn't get rattled.

[lib3rtarian]

reading the forum today, i'd say the biggest threat to liberty is ourselves.
people need to get their emotions under control. neocon and libtards are probably coming here for a good laugh.
you can only control your actions. <insert serenity prayer here> find zen.


Internal betrayal and compromise in our own movement.

These. Remember what we often say about terror tactics? That if we get afraid and give up our liberty for security, the terrorists have won? The same way, each of these events are testing the liberty movement. If we fight and fracture, the elites, bankers, and neocons would have won. If we stay united and keep our eyes on the prize, then we won't be defeated.

Time to stop overly focusing on messengers (Ron, Rand, Amash etc.) and focus on the message (liberty and Constitution).

[torchbearer]

These. Remember what we often say about terror tactics? That if we get afraid and give up our liberty for security, the terrorists have won? The same way, each of these events are testing the liberty movement. If we fight and fracture, the elites, bankers, and neocons would have won. If we stay united and keep our eyes on the prize, then we won't be defeated.

Time to stop overly focusing on messengers (Ron, Rand, Amash etc.) and focus on the message (liberty and Constitution).

+1

[Travlyr]

Banks and Corporations controlling Governments.

+ rep again!

When we finally get enough people to understand this, then people can be free. It will not happen until then. It is really as simple as ending the government's monopoly on money.

Separate money from government tomorrow and get freedom, peace, and prosperity with the sunrise Monday morning.

[Barrex]

This:

+1


These. Remember what we often say about terror tactics? That if we get afraid and give up our liberty for security, the terrorists have won? The same way, each of these events are testing the liberty movement. If we fight and fracture, the elites, bankers, and neocons would have won. If we stay united and keep our eyes on the prize, then we won't be defeated.

Time to stop overly focusing on messengers (Ron, Rand, Amash etc.) and focus on the message (liberty and Constitution).


reading the forum today, i'd say the biggest threat to liberty is ourselves.
people need to get their emotions under control. neocon and libtards are probably coming here for a good laugh.
you can only control your actions. <insert serenity prayer here> find zen.

We are suffocating our selfs.... and it is killing me.... such great potential being wasted....

[stuntman stoll]

Banks and Corporations controlling Governments.
...for which government is to blame. Business wouldn't waste time and money on government if government didn't have so much power.

[Travlyr]

...for which government is to blame. Business wouldn't waste time and money on government if government didn't have so much power.

Government gets its abusive power from counterfeiting an unlimited money supply. All counterfeiting operations have to be abusive to keep their monopoly. Honest sound money solves the abuse.

[stuntman stoll]

Government gets its abusive power from counterfeiting an unlimited money supply. All counterfeiting operations have to be abusive to keep their monopoly. Honest sound money solves the abuse.
No. Government gets its power from the barrel of the gun and point of the sword.

[Keith and stuff]

1. Most people dislike liberty.
2. Most of the people who like liberty aren't willing to become liberty activists who work hard and smart to for liberty.

It is important to recognize the biggest threat. Working towards liberty in a place like CA or NY is not working smart, no matter how hard you work. Many so called liberty activists refuse to understand these 2 threads.

[Travlyr]

No. Government gets its power from the barrel of the gun and point of the sword.
No. Anyone can have a gun and a sword. Counterfeiters hire military and police protection to ferret out competition, throw them in cages, or kill them.

Government is simply an agreement ... a standard bearing document. Standards should be monopolized the world over in order to prove one's case in court or arbitration. For example, a gram is a gram the world over. No one can sell someone 1/2 bushel of wheat and claim that it is a bushel. Standards are governing documents for trade. That is what government is. An acre is an acre, a meter is a meter, a liter is a liter, etc.

There are other reasons for government, but most people are too indoctrinated and completely miss the target. Government having a monopoly on counterfeiting money is how central bankers control the military, the police, and the legislature. Get rid of their money monopoly and government is benign. End The Fed and earn your freedom. That is what Ron Paul writes and so does Murray Rothbard. That message gets muddled by people who claim that all standards must be eliminated.

[stuntman stoll]

No. Anyone can have a gun and a sword. Counterfeiters hire military and police protection to ferret out competition, throw them in cages, or kill them.

Government is simply an agreement ... a standard bearing document. Standards should be monopolized the world over in order to prove one's case in court or arbitration. For example, a gram is a gram the world over. No one can sell someone 1/2 bushel of wheat and claim that it is a bushel. Standards are governing documents for trade. That is what government is. An acre is an acre, a meter is a meter, a liter is a liter, etc.

There are other reasons for government, but most people are too indoctrinated and completely miss the target. Government having a monopoly on counterfeiting money is how central bankers control the military, the police, and the legislature. Get rid of their money monopoly and government is benign. End The Fed and earn your freedom. That is what Ron Paul writes and so does Murray Rothbard. That message gets muddled by people who claim that all standards must be eliminated.
LOL. So your version of history must go something like this. Freedom for the masses was dominant force throughout recorded history when people traded with pure metal coins. Tyranny only got a foothold for awhile during the later part of the Roman empire when they tried debasing their metal currency. Everything was great then until the enlightenment when there were paper deposit slips with metals backing them, and banks having fractional reserves. Now everyone lives under an absolute dictatorship being that we have had "complete" fiat currency for about 40 years.

[Indy Vidual]

This
http://i.imgur.com/EFadt.jpg

and this
http://i.imgur.com/RkFVm.jpg

and this
http://i.imgur.com/FhGAP.jpg


...but NOT Rand Paul.

[Travlyr]

LOL. So your version of history must go something like this. Freedom for the masses was dominant force throughout recorded history when people traded with pure metal coins. Tyranny only got a foothold for awhile during the later part of the Roman empire when they tried debasing their metal currency. Everything was great then until the enlightenment when there were paper deposit slips with metals backing them, and banks having fractional reserves. Now everyone lives under an absolute dictatorship being that we have had "complete" fiat currency for about 40 years.
It is actually very easy to see. Greenbacks -> Big Government and Civil War. Federal Reserve Notes -> WWI -> Growth of Government -> WWII, and perpetual wars. It is easy to see.

[GuerrillaXXI]

To destroy your liberty, a government needs two things:

(1) the ability to see whether you're obeying its laws and locate you if you're being rebellious
(2) the ability to capture or kill you without losing any of its own enforcers once you've been located

Thus, I'm absolutely convinced that the greatest threat to liberty today is mass surveillance technology, followed closely by new developments in weapons and other military/police equipment (like body armor).

Of course, there are other ways of considering the OP's question. It could be argued that the spread of police state technology wouldn't be possible if the general population cared about freedom; then one could say that the greatest danger to liberty is simply public apathy or the sort of cowardice that prefers to sacrifice freedom for the false promise of public safety.

[COpatriot]

Where to begin?

Corporations, banks, or religion in bed with big government.
Socialism
Police state
Drug war
Militarism/The war machine and those who support it both in politics and in the duped citizenry as well as the propaganda machine media that sells it and feeds the lies necessary to a population that just laps it up.
Foreign lobbies and the public officials they've corrupted

Santorum, West, Rubio, Obama, Graham, McCain, Liebermann too.

[CaptainAmerica]

the "war on terrorism" and losing a footing on principles by compromising our stances against unjustified /undeclared warfare.

[RPtotheWH]

The sheeple are the problem. The .gov doesnt listen when we tell them to leave us alone. they only listen when the sheep cry out for the .gov to save them. The feds get their power from the states, which the states are given their power from the cities and towns, and they receive their power from the citizens. It all starts locally.

[Mach]

All roads lead to Rothschild.


http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

[ShaneEnochs]

Where to begin?

Corporations, banks, or religion in bed with big government.
Socialism
Police state
Drug war
Militarism/The war machine and those who support it both in politics and in the duped citizenry as well as the propaganda machine media that sells it and feeds the lies necessary to a population that just laps it up.
Foreign lobbies and the public officials they've corrupted

Santorum, West, Rubio, Obama, Graham, McCain, Liebermann too.

How could you not include rice pudding?

[Lothario]

the existence of a government seems to be a pretty big threat...

[DamianTV]

The Proper Limitation of Government makes everyone More Free. Neither Anarchy or Totalitarianism allows for the freedom of an individual.

[Ender]

The greatest threat to liberty is man's stupidity.

[thoughtomator]

whining belongs on the list somewhere

[Vanilluxe]

Ourselves, we are a danger for the liberty movement as long as we are divided over what is happening right now in the forums.