12 June Primary - Who to vote for?

[davegod75]

There are four folks running for Senate:

Jamie L. Radtke
George F. Allen
Robert G. (Bob) Marshall
E. W. Jackson

It looks like Radtke and Marshall are the best bets, but we can only pick one. Who is the RP candidate?


I'm in the 10th District and Frank Wolf is the only guy on the ballot.

To see who's on your ballot go here:

http://vote-va.org/forVoters.aspx?State=VA

[malkusm]

This thread (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?359637-Bob-Marshall-for-U.S.-Senate-Virginia) does a pretty good job of comparing them - I think both are good, but Marshall's foreign policy seems more specific and in line with Ron's.

[Brian4Liberty]

This sub-forum has the info you need:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?42-2012-Candidates

This thread might be helpful:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?365683-List-of-Liberty-minded-Candidates-for-US-Congress

And you would find that Bob Marshall is the preferred candidate.

[Rebelrouser]

I'm afraid Marshall might have blown any chance he had of defeating Kaine by being too forward with his anti homosexual agenda. Thats gonna be a serious rallying point for liberals and so-called moderates. I'll probably end up voting for him anyway as I just can't see myself supporting the other candidates. I'm glad I'm in the 11th and not the 10th. I wouldn't vote for Wolfe if you pointed a gun to my head since he sponsored the Enemy Expatriation Act and supported the NDAA.

[Lightweis]

KEN VAUGHN and Bob Marshall.

[davegod75]

KEN VAUGHN and Bob Marshall.

I'd vote for Ken but I'm in the 10th :)

[falconplayer11]

Are there no third-party candidates on the ballot?

[Brian4Liberty]

I'm afraid Marshall might have blown any chance he had of defeating Kaine by being too forward with his anti homosexual agenda.

What is this? Any links to back that up?

[Rebelrouser]

What is this? Any links to back that up?

http://www2.insidenova.com/news/2012/may/25/marshall-says-being-gay-cuts-your-life-about-20-ye-ar-1943048/

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76437.html

[JorgeStevenson]

Is there any way to anti-vote for Wolf? This dude's record is turrible.

[Miguel]

http://www.karenkforcongress.com/

[The Free Hornet]

I'm afraid Marshall might have blown any chance he had of defeating Kaine by being too forward with his anti homosexual agenda. Thats gonna be a serious rallying point for liberals and so-called moderates. I'll probably end up voting for him anyway as I just can't see myself supporting the other candidates. I'm glad I'm in the 11th and not the 10th. I wouldn't vote for Wolfe if you pointed a gun to my head since he sponsored the Enemy Expatriation Act and supported the NDAA.

Marshall's page on Life & Liberty (http://bobmarshall2012.com/issues/life-liberty) is simply about beint anti-abortion and increasing regulations on abotion and stem-cell therapy.

On his liberty page, there is zero evidence that he believes in the concept.

Also, he seems to own the phrase "sodomy is not a civil right:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sodomy+is+not+a+civil+right

This indicates he is either confused as to what civil rights (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/civil+rights) are or sodomy (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sodomy). It's an odd turn of the phrase that is technically correct:


“If sodomy is a civil right, do we have to protect it? Do we have to fund it? Do we have to teach it? Do we have to encourage it? Do we have to facilitate it?” Marshall said in an interview Thursday after an appearance at a meeting of the Jefferson Area Tea Party. “… It is not a civil right.”

http://www2.insidenova.com/news/2012/may/25/marshall-says-being-gay-cuts-your-life-about-20-ye-ar-1943048/

Rights do not require that we fund, teach, encourage, or facilitate. The only "protect"ion would be from government intervening in the practice. E.g., a private website can censor free speech but the government cannot use its forces to do the same. I construe civil rights as more about protection for who you are than what you do. So a civil right protects a woman's right to run for office but might have no bearing on breastfeeding in public (AFAIK! but it wouldn't surprise me to see breastfeeding defended this way).

Marshall has better pages on Foreign Policy and Education but I'm skeptical that he is a liberty candidate.


EDIT: My litmus test on new candidates is opposition to the war on drugs. I found no statements or positions from him on this issue.

[realtonygoodwin]

Are there no third-party candidates on the ballot?

Do you not understand what a primary is?

[Brian4Liberty]

http://www2.insidenova.com/news/2012/may/25/marshall-says-being-gay-cuts-your-life-about-20-ye-ar-1943048/

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76437.html

I guess he's not very politically correct.

And he is incorrect when he says that there have never been laws against homosexuality (or sodomy).

[Brian4Liberty]

Rights do not require that we fund, teach, encourage, or facilitate. The only "protect"ion would be from government intervening in the practice.

Yeah, he has that part correct.

[VAMole]

Marshall has better pages on Foreign Policy and Education but I'm skeptical that he is a liberty candidate.

None of the four are liberty candidates. Allen is the former Senator and Governor; Radtke is a Tea Party woman; Jackson is a fiery black preacher; and Marshall takes some of the best parts of Ron Paul [Audit the Fed, 10th Amendment] and combines them with all of Rick Santorum.

I'm voting for Jackson because his style is captivating and his rhetoric about cutting spending is what Dr. Paul would say if Dr. Paul were a black preacher.

[Brian4Liberty]

EDIT: Might litmus test on new candidates is opposition to the war on drugs. I found no statements or positions from him on this issue.

Good question: is smoking pot a "right"?

My take is that a person can fully support ending the war on drugs, and decriminalizing drugs, yet at the same time "advocate" that people don't use them. (And that it is a State's rights issue.) Is smoking pot a civil right? Probably not. Is it a natural right? Probably so.

[Brian4Liberty]

... and Marshall takes some of the best parts of Ron Paul [Audit the Fed, 10th Amendment] and combines them with all of Rick Santorum.


How about Marshall's Foriegn policy?


http://bobmarshall2012.com/issues/war-and-foreign-policy

Only the US Congress is authorized to declare war.* It is unconstitutional for Congress to delegate that power to the President. Therefore Representatives and Senators have the grave moral responsibility to prudently evaluate the factual conditions for the moral legitimacy necessary to declare war.* War can morally be waged under the following conditions known as the “just war” doctrine:

The damage inflicted by the aggressor must be lasting, grave and certain;
All other means of ending the conflict failed or were impractical or ineffective;
There must be serious prospects for success;
The use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil sought to be eliminated.
The first goal of American foreign and military policy should be to reduce occasions of conflict between America and other nations.


The first goal of American foreign and military policy should be to reduce occasions of conflict between America and other nations.

Protecting our citizens from foreign aggressors is the main function of the federal government.* Federal, state and local authorities must work together to deter piracy and minimize the risk of attack.* Reliable human intelligence sources in foreign countries are still the primary means of detecting foreign threats. Machines and technology are supplements to national defense and self-determination, not substitutes for it.

Whatever the difficulty, incinerating Washington or holding the nation nuclear hostage is made easier by the Obama Administration’s diversion of the military’s time, money, training and manpower to facilitate widespread cultural acceptance of homosexual behavior such as the first public lesbian-to-lesbian public “kiss” on a Virginia Beach, Virginia pier for a Navy ship’s docking on December 21, 2012.

How can turning the US Military into a vast sociological experiment promoting health compromising, life-shortening behavior rejected by General of the Continental Army George Washington be compatible with the needs of military discipline? How does rejecting 6,000 years of moral teaching of Western religions increase the security of America?

We have the further problem that American technology and equipment manufacturers, funded by the US taxpayer, have aided foreign nation’s efforts to weaken American military strength. These practices have run from the founding of the Soviet Communist government in Russia, to foreign counterparts of American businesses in Nazi Germany, through the Clinton Administration’s approval of the export of computer and other equipment enabling the Red Chinese to equip ICBM’s with multiple warheads that can be aimed at the United States including radiation hardened computer chips necessary to conduct nuclear war.

From our alliance with France in America’s Revolutionary War in 1788 to our 1949 entrance into the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the United States followed George Washington’s advice to avoid permanent entangling military alliances with foreign powers.* Now, we have treaties to defend approximately 60 countries on five continents some of which were made 50 or more years ago.

President Ronald Reagan’s Ambassador to the UN, the late Jeanne Kirkpatrick, said that we must reexamine the reasons for alliances we now have, and stop spending American money and deploying American manpower to protect affluent and militarily capable nations that are able to defend themselves. I agree with her.

[VAMole]

How about Marshall's Foriegn policy?

Well, he's going well for a while and then I get to Rick Santorum:
Whatever the difficulty, incinerating Washington or holding the nation nuclear hostage is made easier by the Obama Administration’s diversion of the military’s time, money, training and manpower to facilitate widespread cultural acceptance of homosexual behavior such as the first public lesbian-to-lesbian public “kiss” on a Virginia Beach, Virginia pier for a Navy ship’s docking on December 21, 2012.

How can turning the US Military into a vast sociological experiment promoting health compromising, life-shortening behavior rejected by General of the Continental Army George Washington be compatible with the needs of military discipline? How does rejecting 6,000 years of moral teaching of Western religions increase the security of America?

What? Irrelevant much?

[Rebelrouser]

Here's an Op-Ed piece on Ken Vaughn.

http://www2.insidenova.com/news/2012/jun/11/letter-editor-send-ken-vaughn-congress-ar-1979743/

[Brian4Liberty]

What? Irrelevant much?

Yeah, it sounds like he has a bit of an obsession with the subject...