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John F Kennedy III
06-07-2012, 10:11 AM
TIME Magazine pushes death agenda: Remove feeding tubes from the dying elderly (and get a cash bonus!)

Mike Adams,
Natural News
Thursday, June 7, 2012

TIME Magazine is peddling a death agenda propaganda piece with a new issue that features these words on the cover: “HOW TO DIE.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4FwpAPH7Vk&feature=player_embedded

Inside, the magazine promotes a cost-saving death agenda that encourages readers to literally “pull the feeding tubes” from their dying elderly parents, causing them to dehydrate and die. This is explained as a new cost-saving measure that drastically reduces return hospital visits by the elderly… yeah, because dead people don’t return to the hospital, of course.

Watch my full commentary on this special death panel issue of TIME Magazine at:
http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=53166F436FD2309EC97C414D01F7AB39

Or on YouTube at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4FwpAPH7Vk

Kill Granny, get a cash bonus!

The article is part of the new soft-sell, hard-kill agenda of the mainstream media which also featured an article on Newsweek Magazine entitled, “The Case for Killing Granny.” (http://lookintoit.org/Euthanasia-%28The-Case-For-Killing-Granny%29.ht…)

The cover of that magazine stated, “Curbing excessive end-of-life care is good for America.”

Just as with TIME Magazine, Newsweek is pushing a death agenda that devalues the lives of elderly citizens and actually encourages citizens to have their own parents killed in order to reduce medical costs. In fact, as TIME Magazine says, organizations that embrace these “outcome-based” death panel systems actually receive cash bonuses when they save more money by pulling the plug on granny!

That’s the answer to health care in America, you see. It’s not about nutritional therapy, using trace minerals to prevent disease, avoiding GMOs and toxic chemicals. Nope, it’s about pulling the plug and killing your elders and then convincing yourself that you arecompassionatefor making sure they die sooner rather than later.

It’s trendy to kill your parents off, didn’t you know? It’s good for the economy! And it’s good for society! Death to grandma! For God’s sake don’t give any water to your dying father, either, because it’s better to just let him die from kidney failure. Yep, here’s an actual quote from the TIME Magazine story: “Renal failure is a good way to go,” the story says. Just dehydrate ‘em to death and call it trendy.

When you get old, they’ll kill you too

Be careful what you wish for, all you trendies, because sooner or later, you’ll be old, too! And if you created a society in which pulling the plug is the socially-acceptable way to kill off all the “useless old people,” then don’t be surprised when they cut off your feeding tube, too, and you suffer a slow, painful death while your own children cheer about how socially responsible they are.

Watch my full commentary at:
http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=53166F436FD2309EC97C414D01F7AB39

Or on YouTube at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4FwpAPH7Vk


article here:
http://www.infowars.com/time-magazine-pushes-death-agenda-remove-feeding-tubes-from-the-dying-elderly-and-get-a-cash-bonus/

originally here:
http://www.naturalnews.com/036100_death_panels_elderly_TIME_Magazine.html

paulbot24
06-07-2012, 10:18 AM
“Renal failure is a good way to go”

Wow. I wonder who's idea this was at Bilderberg this year. Interesting that TPTB don't seem to be having a "bankruptcy of ideas" right now. Not saying the ideas are worth a damn, but they are plentiful for some reason in the last week and a half. Time magazine is simply repugnant.

ZenBowman
06-07-2012, 10:30 AM
Let's not pretend this will not happen in a free market, it is an issue that deserves discussion.

In a socialist system it'll be based on seeking to reduce costs, in a market system it'll be based on not being able to afford to pay for life-support.

Instead of jumping to idiotic conclusions, you might want to watch the video where the author explains his reasoning:
http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,1663996020001_2116085,00.html

paulbot24
06-07-2012, 10:34 AM
Let's not pretend this will not happen in a free market, it is an issue that deserves discussion.

In a socialist system it'll be based on seeking to reduce costs, in a market system it'll be based on not being able to afford to pay for life-support.

Instead of jumping to idiotic conclusions, you might want to watch the video where the author explains his reasoning:
http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,1663996020001_2116085,00.html

Idiotic conclusions? Can you give me an example of what you are talking about?

Demigod
06-07-2012, 10:37 AM
I say we trow every man above 50 years off a cliff because they are not productive any more.

Also why stop at elders lets start killing retarded and handicapped people,god damn leeches.

ZenBowman
06-07-2012, 10:40 AM
I say we trow every man above 50 years off a cliff because they are not productive any more.

Also why stop at elders lets start killing retarded and handicapped people,god damn leeches.

I take it you didn't read the original article.

ZenBowman
06-07-2012, 10:41 AM
Idiotic conclusions? Can you give me an example of what you are talking about?

Assuming its about killing people rather than exercising your own right to terminate life support.

Bunch of fucking drama queens ITT.

paulbot24
06-07-2012, 10:53 AM
Assuming its about killing people rather than exercising your own right to terminate life support.

Bunch of fucking drama queens ITT.

Good luck with that attitude later in life. You sound crotchety enough, if you have kids, they won't have to "struggle" with that decision for long. I'm not struggling with it right now with you, but that's just me.

ZenBowman
06-07-2012, 11:02 AM
Good luck with that attitude later in life. You sound crotchety enough, if you have kids, they won't have to "struggle" with that decision for long. I'm not struggling with it right now with you, but that's just me.

If you read the original article, you'd know that Joe's mother had explicitly told him she wanted to die and not to live as a vegetable.

Do you believe people have the right to end their own lives, or at least decline medical care?

If you do, then every person will be faced with this decision at some point in their lives, and its worth thinking about.

Death is a natural part of life, not something to be feared, I'll make it clear to my children that I don't want to live as a permanent dependent, and if the time comes where I am in that position, I will be happy to go peacefully with friends and family by my side rather than struggle on painfully.

Aratus
06-07-2012, 11:19 AM
TIME Magazine pushes death agenda: Remove feeding tubes from the dying elderly (and get a cash bonus!)

Mike Adams,
Natural News
Thursday, June 7, 2012

TIME Magazine is peddling a death agenda propaganda piece with a new issue that features these words on the cover: “HOW TO DIE.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4FwpAPH7Vk&feature=player_embedded

Inside, the magazine promotes a cost-saving death agenda that encourages readers to literally “pull the feeding tubes” from their dying elderly parents, causing them to dehydrate and die. This is explained as a new cost-saving measure that drastically reduces return hospital visits by the elderly… yeah, because dead people don’t return to the hospital, of course.

Watch my full commentary on this special death panel issue of TIME Magazine at:
http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=53166F436FD2309EC97C414D01F7AB39

Or on YouTube at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4FwpAPH7Vk

Kill Granny, get a cash bonus!

The article is part of the new soft-sell, hard-kill agenda of the mainstream media which also featured an article on Newsweek Magazine entitled, “The Case for Killing Granny.” (http://lookintoit.org/Euthanasia-%28The-Case-For-Killing-Granny%29.ht…)

The cover of that magazine stated, “Curbing excessive end-of-life care is good for America.”

Just as with TIME Magazine, Newsweek is pushing a death agenda that devalues the lives of elderly citizens and actually encourages citizens to have their own parents killed in order to reduce medical costs. In fact, as TIME Magazine says, organizations that embrace these “outcome-based” death panel systems actually receive cash bonuses when they save more money by pulling the plug on granny!

That’s the answer to health care in America, you see. It’s not about nutritional therapy, using trace minerals to prevent disease, avoiding GMOs and toxic chemicals. Nope, it’s about pulling the plug and killing your elders and then convincing yourself that you arecompassionatefor making sure they die sooner rather than later.

It’s trendy to kill your parents off, didn’t you know? It’s good for the economy! And it’s good for society! Death to grandma! For God’s sake don’t give any water to your dying father, either, because it’s better to just let him die from kidney failure. Yep, here’s an actual quote from the TIME Magazine story: “Renal failure is a good way to go,” the story says. Just dehydrate ‘em to death and call it trendy.

When you get old, they’ll kill you too

Be careful what you wish for, all you trendies, because sooner or later, you’ll be old, too! And if you created a society in which pulling the plug is the socially-acceptable way to kill off all the “useless old people,” then don’t be surprised when they cut off your feeding tube, too, and you suffer a slow, painful death while your own children cheer about how socially responsible they are.

Watch my full commentary at:
http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=53166F436FD2309EC97C414D01F7AB39

Or on YouTube at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4FwpAPH7Vk


article here:
http://www.infowars.com/time-magazine-pushes-death-agenda-remove-feeding-tubes-from-the-dying-elderly-and-get-a-cash-bonus/

originally here:
http://www.naturalnews.com/036100_death_panels_elderly_TIME_Magazine.html

the snarky, controlling malevolent ghost of HENRY LUCE wants to mercy kill all social security check cashing elderly as a budgetary measure for UNCLE SAM?

Zippyjuan
06-07-2012, 11:29 AM
You have to be a subscriber to read the whole original article in Time, but here is the beginning:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2116137,00.html

The Long Goodbye

By Joe Klein

The phone call came on a cloudy morning in Iowa. I was interviewing Senator Chuck Grassley in his farm kitchen, surrounded by a sea of corn. Mom was back in the hospital again. She had pneumonia. She wasn't eating. "If we don't put in a feeding tube," my mother's internist told me, "she won't survive on her own."

Mom had always been vehement about how she wanted to go. "Just pull the plug. Let me die," she would say, with more than a hint of melodrama. "I don't want to be a vegetable." But was she a vegetable now? She had...



Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2116137,00.html#ixzz1x862ZHP5




A personal story of trying to make a difficult decision about his own mother.
Video interview where he shares more details: http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,1663996020001_2116085,00.html


Joe Klein on His Cover Story: How to Die


Joe Klein talks about how his parents' deaths taught him about the flaws in the fee-for-service health care system



It is about having the information and freedom to make your own choices- not on imposing any options on anybody else like killing your grannie.

ZenBowman
06-07-2012, 11:37 AM
You have to be a subscriber to read the whole original article in Time, but here is the beginning:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2116137,00.html

A personal story of trying to make a difficult decision about his own mother.
Video interview where he shares more details: http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,1663996020001_2116085,00.html

Exactly, now if people could stop PMSing and getting their panties in a bunch, we could look at the obvious questions:

Do you or do you not have the right to decide when to end your own life?

If so, do you have the right to drain other people's money (whether the taxpayer's, the hospital's or your own families) to prolong your life for a few weeks or months?

If the state was 100% un-involved in medical care, these issues would still come up, they don't go away, ever. These are fundamental questions for all humans, and its good that this article raises them.

Those who accept that death is a natural process and not an "agenda" (unless you believe in God, then death is definitely a part of his agenda) will find the article useful. The others should grow up mentally and not behave like emotional children unable to face the reality of life and death.

oyarde
06-07-2012, 11:38 AM
Alright , this is bumming me out ....

Occam's Banana
06-07-2012, 11:47 AM
Let's not pretend this will not happen in a free market, it is an issue that deserves discussion.

In a socialist system it'll be based on seeking to reduce costs, in a market system it'll be based on not being able to afford to pay for life-support.

Instead of jumping to idiotic conclusions, you might want to watch the video where the author explains his reasoning
You know what? That's a VERY good point you've got there ...

So come back & make it when we've got something remotely resembling a free market in health care - instead of the increasingly socialist & inevitably "cost-cutting" system we do, in fact, already have.

THEN you can accuse people of jumping to "idiotic conclusions."

Until then, given that this is coming from TIME (one of *the* most blandly & thoroughly pro-establishment rags out there - with the possible exception of Newsweek), I'm filing this under "laying the groundwork" ...

paulbot24
06-07-2012, 12:56 PM
So come back & make it when we've got something remotely resembling a free market in health care - instead of the increasingly socialist & inevitably "cost-cutting" system we do, in fact, already have....Until then, given that this is coming from TIME (one of *the* most blandly & thoroughly pro-establishment rags out there - with the possible exception of Newsweek), I'm filing this under "laying the groundwork" ...

Bingo. Time magazine is a tool of a nasty establishment with a new world disorder.

Zippyjuan
06-07-2012, 01:02 PM
Bingo. Time magazine is a tool of a nasty establishment with a new world disorder.

What would you think of this one they put out?
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2090364,00.html
The Prophet

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2011/1108/wronpaul_0905.jpg

For decades, the Republican Congressman from Texas has preached much the same brand of libertarian politics and Austrian economics. When he ran for President four years ago, Paul drew a zealous but narrow following, and his warnings that murky monetary policy, runaway spending and a sprawling foreign empire would ruin the country struck many Republicans as kooky. His GOP rivals smirked or simply ignored him. Although Paul raised a staggering $35 million, he captured just 1% of Republican delegates.

But in the four years since, the world has changed in mostly grim ways that seem to affirm Paul's worldview. His vision of an eroding Constitution and a Washington — Wall Street cabal helped spark the Tea Party movement. Conservatives who once sneered at his foreign policy as being "isolationist" have grown weary of war. His call for a more accountable and transparent Federal Reserve has morphed from quaint obsession to mainstream Republican talking point in Congress and on the campaign trail.



More at link.

paulbot24
06-07-2012, 01:08 PM
What would you think of this one they put out?
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2090364,00.html
The Prophet

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2011/1108/wronpaul_0905.jpg


More at link.

Damn it, I was waiting for that one! All I can say is even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Smartass!:D

Occam's Banana
06-07-2012, 01:33 PM
What would you think of this one they put out?

I think it's an exemplar of the "damning with faint praise" school of journalistic "analysis."

Paul turned out to be right about too many things, gained enough of a following, and was having enough of an effect that he could no longer simply be ignored - so they had to write *something* about him, and that something had to be at least superficially positive.

Being the pro-system prop that it is, though, TIME found it impossible to do so from a neutral & objective perspective, with an examination of his record, policies & predictions vis-a-vis the current situation in the nation & the world.

Instead, they engaged in passive-agressive eye-rolling at the "quaint obsession[s]" of a "kooky" Ron Paul and his "zealous but narrow following." (And those are just from the two brief paragraphs that were quoted.)

Warrior_of_Freedom
06-07-2012, 02:33 PM
Let's start our own magazine :D

paulbot24
06-07-2012, 03:52 PM
Just imagine the editorials with all of us rebellious liberty lovers. There wouldn't even need to be any articles with all the opinions we've got on here.:cool:

Danke
06-07-2012, 04:11 PM
What would you think of this one they put out?
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2090364,00.html
The Prophet
More at link.

Wow! My parents have been subscribers of that rag for most of my life. That article is a surprise, in a good way.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
06-07-2012, 04:46 PM
Mike Adams,
Natural News
Thursday, June 7, 2012


I don't understand why he needed to drag Kevorkian into it.

John F Kennedy III
06-07-2012, 05:34 PM
Just imagine the editorials with all of us rebellious liberty lovers. There wouldn't even need to be any articles with all the opinions we've got on here.:cool:

Magazine name ideas:

1. Liberty Up Your Ass

2. Liberty Up Yours

3. Three Sane Drunks

Warrior_of_Freedom
06-07-2012, 06:10 PM
Let's send a list of different ways whoever wrote the cover article can kill himself.

Xhin
06-07-2012, 07:27 PM
Wow what an absolute out-of-context piece of piss-poor journalistic trash.

The entire article was about the benefits of health care where doctors are paid on a salary rather than on a fee for performance basis. The author relates his own experiences with his parents dying.

Hey look actual source: http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,1663996020001_2116085,00.html

paulbot24
06-07-2012, 07:40 PM
Magazine name ideas:

1. Liberty Up Your Ass

2. Liberty Up Yours

3. Three Sane Drunks

I like the first one but after a few drinks tonight I'll probably change my mind and swear the third name is the best.

anaconda
06-07-2012, 09:54 PM
Let's not pretend this will not happen in a free market, it is an issue that deserves discussion.

In a socialist system it'll be based on seeking to reduce costs, in a market system it'll be based on not being able to afford to pay for life-support.

Instead of jumping to idiotic conclusions, you might want to watch the video where the author explains his reasoning:
http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,1663996020001_2116085,00.html

Sometimes trying to keep dying elderly people alive is egocentric and very cruel.