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Bosco Warden
06-05-2012, 01:37 PM
This is an overt attack on the liberty movement by Obama, misinformation is going to be at an all time high.

The establishment is running scared.


President Barack Obama is previewing his next strategy in the 2012 campaign — an audacious effort to paint former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and the majority GOP as radical libertarians that have abandoned mainstream American politics

Since 2000, “we [Democrats] haven’t moved that much… What’s changed is the Republican Party,” Obama told a group of wealthy donors gathered Monday night at a New York mansion owned by Marc Lasry. Lasry is a billionaire equity-capitalist who runs a $20 billion fund that buys up the shaky assets of failing companies.

Republicans “have gone from a preference for market-based solutions to an absolutism… [to] a belief that all regulations are bad; that government has no role to play,” said Obama, who has presided over record unemployment of at least 8.1 percent, record deficits of more than $1 trillion per year, and a record $5 trillion increase in the national debt.

The president’s divisive strategy is designed to persuade swing-voters that the former governor of Massachusetts is a radical libertarian, even though Obama has repeatedly said his health-sector law is modeled on Romney’s Massachusetts law.

Obama has also suggested recently that GOP legislators and supporters are irrational, unhinged and sick.

If the GOP is defeated in the November election, ”the [GOP’s] fever may break,” Obama said June 1. Once “the goal of beating Obama doesn’t make much sense because I’m not running again, [then] we can start getting some cooperation again,” he told donors at a Minneapolis fundraiser.

Obama made that claim despite a wave of popular support for Republicans in the 2010 midterm elections, resulting in a GOP House majority. Republican leaders and advocates would argue that they share conventional American beliefs about the size and regulatory role of the federal government.

Obama expanded his anti-libertarian line of attack at the June 4 New York fundraiser.

“If you look at [Rep.] Paul Ryan’s budget or you look at Governor Romney’s proposals, what they’re talking about is something that is fundamentally different from our experience,” said Obama, whose 2010 health-sector bill has given the federal government unprecedented power to regulate Americans’ health, private lives and religious observance.

The GOP outlook “is going to be the central issue in this campaign… we’re going to do everything we can to clarify that choice” for the voters, said Obama.

“What we have to do is to make sure that we’re constantly getting a clear message out about … how our [Democratic] positions are squarely in the center of America’s traditions,” said Obama, who has recently called for a redefinition of marriage to include single-sex couples, and also imposed health-related regulations that require federal inspections of religious institutions to gauge their religious observance.

This new strategy is likely to be ignored by the GOP’s supporters, but may be effective among so-called “low-information voters,” who are uninterested in politics.

Many of those low-information voters delay their voting decision until the last few days before the election. Their decisions are swayed by family members, friends and workplace peers, and to some extent, by Obama’s allies in the commercial-culture industry, such as Hollywood.

Obama’s new strategy comes after he dialed back on his flailing May efforts to paint Romney’s equity-capital career as destructive and selfish.

The retreat was caused by push-back from centrist Democrats, including former President Bill Clinton, and by his need to raise funds from very wealthy Americans, including Lasry, who hosted the June 4 fundraiser.

Previously, Obama’s campaign aides have used Romney’s comments from his tenure as governor in liberal Massachusetts to portray Romney as a “say-anything” candidate with no core beliefs.

That strategy was used by his aides during the primary campaign to spur opposition to Romney among social conservatives and libertarians, but was dropped once Romney secured the nomination.

The new “insane GOP” strategy may prove equally ineffective, partly because many of the GOP’s voters and leading politicians come from middle America, and from working-class or middle-class backgrounds. They include Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan and Speaker of the House John Boehner, from Ohio.

For example, a Gallup poll released June 4 shows Romney leading Obama by 49 percent to 45 percent among voters earning between $36,000 and $90,000. Romney also leads Obama by the same 49 percent to 45 percent among wealthier voters.

Moreover, polls regularly show that the public wants smaller government and lower taxes, even though they also want a strong federal safety net.

Attendees paid $40,000 per plate to the June 4 fundraiser to hear Obama say the GOP is out of the mainstream. “We’re not the ones who changed,” he said.
Obama will likely repeat the message when he returns to New York on June 14 to attend another high-dollar fundraiser with the city’s fashion-industry elite, including Vogue’s editor, the British-born Anna Wintour.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-ll-portray-romney-extreme-libertarian-131905398.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CW2W85PMiwAIFvQtDMD

paulbot24
06-05-2012, 01:55 PM
“We’re not the ones who changed" - Barack Obama

At least he has finally clarified who he was always talking about when he used to say "Yes we can." If he were to complete the above statement with the word "anything" I would actually have to agree with him. Dumbass Obongo.

Brian4Liberty
06-05-2012, 03:17 PM
Obama has been attacking "social Darwinism" for the past month or so.

trey4sports
06-05-2012, 03:21 PM
already been posted today. But thanks

cajuncocoa
06-05-2012, 03:24 PM
President Barack Obama is previewing his next strategy in the 2012 campaign — an audacious effort to paint former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and the majority GOP as radical libertarians that have abandoned mainstream American politics


http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t270/cajuncocoa/Emoticons/Laughing_RoflSmileyLJ.gif

Toureg89
06-05-2012, 03:24 PM
if only that were actually true....

pcosmar
06-05-2012, 03:44 PM
/thinks he is confused.

NoOneButPaul
06-05-2012, 03:49 PM
“We’re not the ones who changed" - Barack Obama

At least he has finally clarified who he was always talking about when he used to say "Yes we can." If he were to complete the above statement with the word "anything" I would actually have to agree with him. Dumbass Obongo.

Wow... he literally just gave the GOP the best election bumper stick in the world.

"We have not changed" - Barack Obama 6-4-12

Change we can believe in... that never changes?

cajuncocoa
06-05-2012, 03:50 PM
I had to look at the link to convince myself this didn't come from The Onion.

Sola_Fide
06-05-2012, 03:55 PM
“What we have to do is to make sure that we’re constantly getting a clear message out about … how our [Democratic] positions are squarely in the center of America’s traditions,” said Obama...

Sadly, he's right about this. Bailouts were pretty traditional before 2008.

ProIndividual
06-05-2012, 04:00 PM
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t270/cajuncocoa/Emoticons/Laughing_RoflSmileyLJ.gif

The only response worth making.

jkr
06-05-2012, 04:15 PM
do u see?
we are the target-get ready for flack, and some of it from friends and family. we have some time but the sooner we act the faster it will spread.
all we have to convince them to do is put the glasses on
http://photoshopcontest.com/images/large/fh5qnw51g7l5jcq7684qrjl2s9i7jpq961yz.jpg

go ahead you know you want to

truthspeaker
06-05-2012, 04:26 PM
To opening thread:

Guess Obama is confused and thinks he's running against Ron Paul.

Liberty74
06-05-2012, 04:32 PM
Obama's Democratic positions are "squarely in the center of American traditions?"

1. Pyramid wealth stealing entitlement schemes bankrupting America
2. Welfare schemes that break up families
3. IRS - KGB style thievery
4. Record breaking debt
5. Mass failed factories called public schools
6. Police the world
7. Medical tyranny
8. Hitler style civilian army
9. Nazi gun grabbers
10. Government enslavement

Come again?

We have to know how to take command over the issues and paint the other side before they paint you.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
06-05-2012, 04:49 PM
Obama's Democratic positions are "squarely in the center of American traditions?"

1. Pyramid wealth stealing entitlement schemes bankrupting America
2. Welfare schemes that break up families
3. IRS - KGB style thievery
4. Record breaking debt
5. Mass failed factories called public schools
6. Police the world
7. Medical tyranny
8. Hitler style civilian army
9. Nazi gun grabbers
10. Government enslavement

Come again?

We have to know how to take command over the issues and paint the other side before they paint you.


Unfortunately, that list pretty much makes the point that they just take turns robbing us, and attempting to control us. That's what america has been for quite some time now, regardless of political party. Can't tell if that was your point or not.

tennman
06-05-2012, 05:10 PM
Obama sucks.

paulbot24
06-05-2012, 05:13 PM
To opening thread:

Guess Obama is confused and thinks he's running against Ron Paul.

He has a billion dollar warchest and he can't figure out who his opponent is? Maybe he is practicing for his real opponent....

jkr
06-05-2012, 05:22 PM
To opening thread:

Guess Obama is confused and thinks he's running against Ron Paul.
he has been since 2007...


"who? will i debate ron paul? ill worry aboot ron paul when he gets the nomination"-baRRy sotoreo's

well.
iguestheworryingbeginsaug25th



hahahah

"sotoreo's"

http://onthewaytosomewhere.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/oreos.png?w=300&h=255


quick! get my waycom!

Brett85
06-05-2012, 05:29 PM
"Moreover, polls regularly show that the public wants smaller government and lower taxes, even though they also want a strong federal safety net."

Hmmm. Something about those two things in the same sentence doesn't quite make sense.

jkr
06-05-2012, 05:37 PM
Obama sucks.
CLINton blows

jkr
06-05-2012, 05:37 PM
Obama sucks.
CLINton blows



so nice i typed it twice!

please remove

PierzStyx
06-05-2012, 05:50 PM
I think I just peed myself from laughing to hard.

PierzStyx
06-05-2012, 05:52 PM
"Moreover, polls regularly show that the public wants smaller government and lower taxes, even though they also want a strong federal safety net."

Hmmm. Something about those two things in the same sentence doesn't quite make sense.

Yes, American cognitive dissonance.

paulbot24
06-05-2012, 05:57 PM
I have to keep looking in this forum and re-reading the title of this thread because I still cannot get over how hilarious it is.

Marenco
06-05-2012, 06:06 PM
I don't know why Obama acts like he's a lot different from Romney - when they are essentially the same. I guess they have to act like they're against each other like in a play.

Brian4Liberty
06-05-2012, 06:14 PM
OK, here's how the leftist propaganda works: "Republicans are selfish bastards that want poor people and minorities to just die." Obama and his ilk have pushed that meme and labeled it as "libertarian". It doesn't help when Hannity and Mark Levin claim to be libertarian, and their definition is that "greed is good", "survival of the fittest" and "corporations are people". It should be obvious how all of this dovetails into a convenient attack on Romney.

jkr
06-05-2012, 06:34 PM
thats right. the gop is just a bad actor here on the play "freedom sucks"

malkusm
06-05-2012, 06:57 PM
“If you look at [Rep.] Paul Ryan’s budget or you look at Governor Romney’s proposals, what they’re talking about is something that is fundamentally different from our experience,” said Obama

http://www.lolwut.com/layout/lolwut.jpg

Jingles
06-05-2012, 07:34 PM
>Mitt Romney
>Paul Ryan
>Libertarians

Holy hell, lolololololol. Can any sane individual believe this? Obama might have the dumbest political strategy ever if this is what he is doing. "Call Romney a libertarian (a group of people that don't like Romney) and completely misrepresent a group of well informed, activist people". I think we need to have some kind of million libertarian march or something to denounce both Romney and Obama.

UWDude
06-05-2012, 07:36 PM
This is an overt attack on the liberty movement by Obama, misinformation is going to be at an all time high.

The establishment is running scared.



But what is the attack? Is it Obama attacking Libertarians, or is it more than that?

It is more than that. The media is going to try to Paint Romney as a Libertarian. This is a move to co-opt and dilute libertarian philosophy.


Obama might have the dumbest political strategy ever if this is what he is doing.

This isn't about the election. This is about trying to draw libertarians back into the left-right paradigm.

Aratus
06-05-2012, 07:45 PM
Walker is at 60% to Barrett's 40% in WISCONSIN--!
Barack Obama has a few problems looming in NOv-!

HOLLYWOOD
06-05-2012, 09:37 PM
Wasn't Steven Speilberg and the HOLLYWOOD clowns, tasked in rebranding the Democratic Party after the 2010 election wipeout?

PS: most political propaganda on YAHOO is fed from ABC NEWS POLITICS in their agreement. SO... we know how ABC treats RP and how they pump the left's marionette.

TheBlackPeterSchiff
06-05-2012, 09:40 PM
It is what it is. Elected royalty will not save us regardless of their philosophical beliefs.

cpike
06-05-2012, 09:58 PM
Walker is at 60% to Barrett's 40% in WISCONSIN--!
Barack Obama has a few problems looming in NOv-!

But of those 51% support Obama over Romney in exit polls.

Anti Federalist
06-05-2012, 10:00 PM
The establishment is running scared.

How so?

No matter what happens now in November, the establishment has already won.

kathy88
06-05-2012, 10:06 PM
You would think the President of the United States could pay someone to look up the definition of Libertarian. What an ass.

UWDude
06-05-2012, 10:30 PM
In politics, it doesn't matter what the definition of libertarian is. Just like it doesn't matter what "socialist" or "blue" or "yellow polka-dotted bumpy with shiny sparkles" is.

All that matters is what people think it means. What they think it means will end up being what it is.

We are fighting the masters of lies and perceptions.

malkusm
06-06-2012, 09:12 PM
>Mitt Romney
>Paul Ryan
>Libertarians

Holy hell, lolololololol. Can any sane individual believe this? Obama might have the dumbest political strategy ever if this is what he is doing. "Call Romney a libertarian (a group of people that don't like Romney) and completely misrepresent a group of well informed, activist people". I think we need to have some kind of million libertarian march or something to denounce both Romney and Obama.

Fortunately for Obama, a good 90% of the population doesn't pay any attention to the race until the week before election day - well, except for any sound bytes they might happen to hear on the television :p

oyarde
06-06-2012, 11:45 PM
Obama paint Romney as "extreme Libertarian " LOL , I somehow doubt even Americans are stupid enough to be fooled into a gop Gov of Mass being an extreme libertarian , Basically you have the two party machines pushing , nice guy , socialist state health care dude against Alinsky lover marxist not so nice guy , evil , mental defecient , who wins ? not me ....

oyarde
06-06-2012, 11:47 PM
But of those 51% support Obama over Romney in exit polls. If that was so , would be a 13% improvement from last time ...

July
06-07-2012, 05:40 AM
>Mitt Romney
>Paul Ryan
>Libertarians

Holy hell, lolololololol. Can any sane individual believe this? Obama might have the dumbest political strategy ever if this is what he is doing. "Call Romney a libertarian (a group of people that don't like Romney) and completely misrepresent a group of well informed, activist people". I think we need to have some kind of million libertarian march or something to denounce both Romney and Obama.

To the contrary, I've always thought Obama was intelligent, and he has demonstrated that he does understand the Constitution (understands it, but opposes it, and knows how to manipulate and circumvent it). He understands what classical liberalism is, and is educated in political philosophy. Which is why Ron Paul was always his most direct and formidable opponent, and a debate between the two would have been an interesting thing to see.

The establishment could never let that happen. Paul is the only candidate who could have openly and directly debated Obama on ideology and political philosophy, and the only candidate that would stand in contrast. Romney will only debate Obama with superficial partisan rhetoric, and the American people won't get to see behind the curtain, or understand what drives and motivates our political establishment.

By running against "capitalism" and casting Romney and Ryan as "libertarians" Obama demonstrates he knows exactly who his real opponents are--they aren't Romney or Ryan. It is the growing liberty wing of the GOP. The media has already attacked Ryan on Ayn Rand. Obama is attacking us by proxy. This is win/win for the establishment. If Obama wins, they have discredited us, if Romney wins, a twisted/co-opted version of libertarianism wins.

moostraks
06-07-2012, 06:18 AM
I think we need to have some kind of million libertarian march or something to denounce both Romney and Obama.

One million libertarians going in the same direction??? Now that would be something to see!


It is more than that. The media is going to try to Paint Romney as a Libertarian. This is a move to co-opt and dilute libertarian philosophy.


Absolutely! Except I don't think anyone expects to draw libertarians in to the fold, more like paint the perception there is some agreement with Romney over Obama. For some libertarians they might be able to pull that lever for Romney on the basis of the evil that you don't know is better than you do, but I think most will abstain or vote third party. My guess is that he is forming a dialogue for a potential loss of power due to his own party people crossing over to vote for Romney and going to blame it on the libertarians. It is a way to tarnish the label, as much as Boortz did by demanding that prostitution is a cornerstone issue of being libertarian.

Aratus
06-07-2012, 12:10 PM
this is the gameplan assuming mitt solidly emerges out of tampa with scott walker
as a number two instead of senator paul, demint or governors haley or christie???

specsaregood
06-07-2012, 12:40 PM
But what is the attack? Is it Obama attacking Libertarians, or is it more than that?
It is more than that. The media is going to try to Paint Romney as a Libertarian. This is a move to co-opt and dilute libertarian philosophy.
This isn't about the election. This is about trying to draw libertarians back into the left-right paradigm.

I disagree. I think its a headfake to get Romney to run even more to the middle and by doing so discourage the GOP base from showing up.

TheTexan
06-07-2012, 12:42 PM
When a pretty good chunk of our already-enslaved country is blaming our country's problems on our freedoms... methinks a secession is in order

Henry Rogue
06-07-2012, 01:31 PM
This is the best thing that could have happen to Obamney I mean Romney. He has a lack of identity crises.

Aratus
06-07-2012, 01:45 PM
lets shortsheet the bed on our potus by expecting mitt to flipflop back to where he
was when he took on senator teddy kennedy as we now get OUR rules & platform
planks in place for a rand paul or justin amash or scott walker run in 2016 on a solid
fiscal conservatism as well as a gold standard and astutely pro bill of rights stance!

PaulConventionWV
06-07-2012, 02:21 PM
"Moreover, polls regularly show that the public wants smaller government and lower taxes, even though they also want a strong federal safety net."

Hmmm. Something about those two things in the same sentence doesn't quite make sense.

*facepalm*

Where do they think the money comes from for the safety nets?

Aratus
06-07-2012, 02:41 PM
or mayhap maybe lets pose TAMPA as a binary given, because there are only two GOP contenders.

lets try to craft a platform ron paul will like even if mitt romney has to run on the tampa gop planks.

if mitt was not so flipflop prone, i'd feel more guilty about slipping a bill mckinley or grover cleveland

set of economic aspected plankings that go in tandem with a downphase of the institutions w.wilson

brought into being in 1913. i feel that with barack obama's rather bold same sex marriage stance we

have him being extremely leftwing & handing any gop contender the centrist middle. end the fed, yes!

LawnWake
06-07-2012, 03:05 PM
I may have joked earlier about calling ourselves liberals again but I really believe we need to start calling 'the ideology' something different. Let's co-opt 'voluntaryism'. It's already a form of libertarianism, but to me the word 'voluntary' gets to the bone much more.

They stole liberalism and conservatism from us and they WILL do it to libertarianism. It may just be a word, but if the word is too tainted with negative connotations it'll be impossible to 'market' to people.

Some people will probably reject what I'm saying, perhaps being too attached to a word, but a word is just a vessel and society at large paints it. If we can start with a "new" word and paint it nicely, we'll have more success with it. And while I think words are powerless, the masses don't. 60% of the 'Merican population already believe they're fisically conservative and socially liberal, but they don't like being libertarian.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
06-07-2012, 03:42 PM
I disagree. I think its a headfake to get Romney to run even more to the middle and by doing so discourage the GOP base from showing up.

It's a losing move for us no matter how you evaluate it. Our only option is to keep painting them as the same and make sure everyone knows that Romney is NOT a libertarian. Based on his record, he's a big government liberal.

catdd
06-07-2012, 04:29 PM
They are trying to turn Libertarian into an ugly word. Now watch Romney deny it and do his best to help run it down.

Aratus
06-07-2012, 10:57 PM
actually mitt romney is not really backing away from having serious audits of the FED and he has talked with rand paul.
earlier this evening rand was on hannity's program and said he'd be backing mitt romney as the party nominee, so if our
potus takes this as a proof positive of mitt romney's libertarianism rather than dr. rand paul's desire to heal the internal
wounds inside the GOP, as a consensus on the party platform planking is being reached before tampa, okaaaaaaaaaaay.

cheapseats
06-07-2012, 11:47 PM
This is an overt attack on the liberty movement by Obama...

Yep.




OK, here's how the leftist propaganda works: "Republicans are selfish bastards that want poor people and minorities to just die." Obama and his ilk have pushed that meme and labeled it as "libertarian". It doesn't help when Hannity and Mark Levin claim to be libertarian, and their definition is that "greed is good", "survival of the fittest" and "corporations are people". It should be obvious how all of this dovetails into a convenient attack on Romney.

And on Gary Johnson...two birds with one stone.






It is more than that. The media is going to try to Paint Romney as a Libertarian. This is a move to co-opt and dilute libertarian philosophy.

More like, DEMONIZE.





This isn't about the election. This is about trying to draw libertarians back into the left-right paradigm.

The Liberty Moovement playing for control of the Republican Party is ALREADY sucked into the left-right paradigm. This is to equate LIBERTARIAN with REPUBLICAN in the minds of DEMOCRATS.





They are trying to turn Libertarian into an ugly word. Now watch Romney deny it and do his best to help run it down.

It would be GOOD THING for Gary Johnson to be in the presidential debates...a really good thing.

emazur
06-08-2012, 01:44 PM
Well this settles it - Dondero declares Romney a libertarian: http://www.nolanchart.com/article9665-rand-paul-gambles-on-romney-has-a-deal-been-made.html

Eric Dondero Rittberg

Romney is also a guy who was personally recruited into politics by the early 1990s #1 elected libertarian fmr. Mass Gov. William Weld (Something you won't hear reported on so-called libertarian sites, cause it doesn't fit the template). Romney was backed in the 1990s by the Republican Liberty Caucus (at a time when Ron Paul served as National RLC Chairman btw). The Weld/Romney people contacted the RLC back then for help, and described him as a "libertarian-leaner" like Weld. But of course, none of this fits the left-libertarian template, so it goes un-reported by so-called "libertarian" sites like Nolan Chart.

Oh, btw, just yesterday Daily Caller headlined a story, "Obama to attack Romney as an "extreme libertarian." That's right, not just libertarian but extreme libertarian. And yet so-called libertarians say Romney is a "squish" not worthy of libertarian support. Go figure?

specsaregood
06-08-2012, 01:47 PM
It's a losing move for us no matter how you evaluate it. Our only option is to keep painting them as the same and make sure everyone knows that Romney is NOT a libertarian. Based on his record, he's a big government liberal.

I find it moderately interesting that this came out just 2 days before the Rand endorsement, its like they knew it was coming.

Aratus
06-08-2012, 01:58 PM
mitt + barack + gary = great debate?

UWDude
06-08-2012, 05:04 PM
It is more than that. The media is going to try to Paint Romney as a Libertarian. This is a move to co-opt and dilute libertarian philosophy.


If Rand is announced as V.P. pick, then you will KNOW this is the strategy. Plan accordingly.


I find it moderately interesting that this came out just 2 days before the Rand endorsement, its like they knew it was coming.

If they can get Rand to only talk about the right-wing side of libertarianism, and silence him on the left-wing side, then yes.

UWDude
06-08-2012, 05:06 PM
It would be GOOD THING for Gary Johnson to be in the presidential debates...a really good thing.

Will not happen, but i have a proposal for the debates, 2nd post, here:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?379925-The-Shot-heard-around-the-world-Write-in-Ron-Paul