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MarcusI
06-05-2012, 01:14 PM
Just wanted to start a thread for all incoming results... or would it be better to have one for each primary? I doubt it, so I started it right now.

Polls closing time in Eastern Time according to The Green Papers:

New Jersey 8 pm

New Mexico 9 pm

South Dakota 9 pm [NOTE: South Dakota is split between the Central Time Zone and Mountain Time Zone; the poll closing time of 9 pm ET is the time at which all polls throughout the State are closed]

Montana 10 pm

California 11 pm



Some notes on delegate allocation (according to Green Papers with annotations by me):

New Jersey:

All of New Jersey's 50 delegates to the Republican National Convention are bound to a presidential contender in today's New Jersey Presidential Primary.

- 50 delegates are bound to the presidential contender receiving the greatest number of votes in the primary statewide.

- The delegate candidates appear on the ballot as a slate on the same ballot line, column or row as that of their respective presidential candidate. It is possible, however, for a voter to choose a delegate slate supporting a presidential contender other than the one for whom he/she might vote for in the Presidential Preference portion of the ballot.

- The 3 party leaders, the National Committeeman, the National Committeewoman, and the chairman of the New Jersey's Republican Party, will by virtue of their position, attend the convention pledged to the winner of the primary.

[I think all early results will refer to meaningless presidential preference. But I doubt that there will be a great difference. So in the end there is no chance to turn around the popular vote. NJ's 50 will surely go to Romney, I expect]

New Mexico:

- 20 of 23 of New Mexico's delegates to the Republican National Convention are bound to presidential contenders based on the results of the voting in today's New Mexico Presidential Primary. [Other 3 are RNC delegates)

- 20 National Convention delegates are to be bound proportionally to presidential contenders who receive 15% or more of the primary vote statewide.

[So there could be Paul delegates "bound" to Romney after the NM GOP convention]

South Dakota:

-25 of South Dakota's 28 delegates to the Republican National Convention are allocated to presidential contenders based on the results of the voting in today's South Dakota Presidential Primary. There is a 20% threshold.

- In addition, 3 RNC will attend the convention as unbound delegates. The SD Republican Party informed the Green Papers that the automatic delegates have decided to vote for the winner of the primary.

[I think that the actual delegates will be chosen at the state convention, so there could be Paul supporters "bound" to Romney. Correct me if I'm wrong]

Montana:

- Montana has a 100% non-binding Presidential Primary. The primary has no effect on delegate allocation.

- The participants of the GOP state convention alone determine if presidential preference is to be a factor and, if so, how it is to be applied.

California:

- 169 of 172 of California's delegates to the Republican National Convention are pledged to presidential contenders in today's California Presidential Primary.

- 159 district delegates are to be bound to presidential contenders based on the primary results in each of the 53 congressional districts: each congressional district is assigned 3 National Convention delegates and the presidential contender receiving the greatest number of votes in that district will receive all 3 of that district's National Convention delegates.

- 10 at-large delegates (10 base at-large delegates plus 0 bonus delegate) are to be bound to the presidential contender receiving the greatest number of votes in the primary statewide.

- The selection of Presidential Nominating Convention Delegates to the Republican National Convention ... shall be chosen by the Presidential candidate who obtained the plurality of Republican votes within each Congressional district, and, for ... at large ... by the Presidential candidate who obtained the plurality of Republican votes statewide. [Standing Rules and Bylaws of the California Republican Party As Amended 20 March 2011 Article VI Section 6.01 (A)]

[So there is no real chance for Paul delegates "bound" to Romney, correct me if I'm wrong.]

MarcusI
06-05-2012, 04:13 PM
Under two hours to go!

MarcusI
06-05-2012, 06:02 PM
Polls in NJ are closed now, waiting for first results!

oldpal
06-05-2012, 06:12 PM
They have been closed for 11 minutes and have not declared a winner yet? This is just odd:cool:

MarcusI
06-05-2012, 06:14 PM
As usual, CNN has the first results

Romney 74%
Paul 14%
Santorum 5%
Gingrich 4%

Under 1% reporting

Keith and stuff
06-05-2012, 06:28 PM
As usual, CNN has the first results

Romney 74%
Paul 14%
Santorum 5%
Gingrich 4%

Under 1% reporting
I tried the CNN website but had trouble finding the link. According to the Google link http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results/2012/gop-primary/nj
0.6% reporting (38/6330)

Romney
81.7%
4,188

Paul
9.0%
459

Santorum
5.8%
295

Gingrich
3.6%
185

Titus
06-05-2012, 06:28 PM
CA is right. If we win my district in CA, I will be preparing for Tampa.

MarcusI
06-05-2012, 06:31 PM
I tried the CNN website but had trouble finding the link. According to the Google link http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results/2012/gop-primary/nj
0.6% reporting (38/6330)

Romney
81.7%
4,188

Paul
9.0%
459

Santorum
5.8%
295

Gingrich
3.6%
185

CNN Link: http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/state/nj?refresh=1

Looks more SNAFU right now, just like AP/Google. (Paul 9%)

sailingaway
06-05-2012, 06:32 PM
CNN Link: http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/state/nj?refresh=1

Looks more SNAFU right now, just like AP. (Paul 9%)

the problem with putting all the states together into one thread is then every post you have to say which state you are discussing. NJ from the time, I would presume? I think SD closes in half an hour.

Tiso0770
06-05-2012, 06:34 PM
Don't go by MSM totals, they are misleading.

MarcusI
06-05-2012, 06:34 PM
Yep, correct. I will always write the state together with the results from now on, but until 9 pm ET there are only NJ results

jkr
06-05-2012, 06:36 PM
do they use robots or are they ACTUALY CAPABLE OF COUNTING VOTES?

Lafayette
06-05-2012, 06:38 PM
46th CD in CA

Paul +1 (me)

I hope we take a good chunk of the CD's here in California, i been seeing loads of Paul stickers and signs everywhere for the last few months.

sailingaway
06-05-2012, 06:41 PM
46th CD in CA

Paul +1 (me)

I hope we take a good chunk of the CD's here in California, i been seeing loads of Paul stickers and signs everywhere for the last few months.

In L.A. I've seen only Paul and Obama stickers, literally NONE for anyone else (but yard signs for the redistricted congressional districts.) Unfortunately, L.A. is the media and lives by it. My only hope is that there aren't many Republicans here AT ALL.

MarcusI
06-05-2012, 06:47 PM
According to Daily Paul these are Liberty candidates in NJ:

[] Vote for Robert Witterschein U.S. House Rep. Dist. 3

[] Vote for Patrick McKnight U.S. House Rep. Dist. 7

[] Vote for Joe Rudy Rullo U.S. Senate (statewide I believe)

[] Vote for Terry McGowan House Rep. Dist. 50

I cant find results for Witterschein and McKnight, but the other races:

Kyrillos , Joe GOP 5,493 65%
Brown , David GOP 1,175 14%
Rullo , Rudy GOP 937 11%
Qarmout , Bader GOP 834 10%

Smith , Chris (i) GOP 815 82%
McGowan , Terrence GOP 173 18%

Under 2% reporting in both races

Lafayette
06-05-2012, 06:49 PM
In L.A. I've seen only Paul and Obama stickers, literally NONE for anyone else (but yard signs for the redistricted congressional districts.) Unfortunately, L.A. is the media and lives by it. My only hope is that there aren't many Republicans here AT ALL.

Well, i know there are a lot of Mormons that pushed to get the gay marriage proposition defeated last election here in CA, lets hope the stay home for the primary.

nyrgoal99
06-05-2012, 06:50 PM
According to Daily Paul these are Liberty candidates in NJ:

[] Vote for Robert Witterschein U.S. House Rep. Dist. 3

[] Vote for Patrick McKnight U.S. House Rep. Dist. 7

[] Vote for Joe Rudy Rullo U.S. Senate (statewide I believe)

[] Vote for Terry McGowan House Rep. Dist. 50

I cant find results for Witterschein and McKnight, but the other races:

Kyrillos , Joe GOP 5,493 65%
Brown , David GOP 1,175 14%
Rullo , Rudy GOP 937 11%
Qarmout , Bader GOP 834 10%

Smith , Chris (i) GOP 815 82%
McGowan , Terrence GOP 173 18%

Under 2% reporting in both races

McKnight was not on the ballot in District 7, i voted there

nyrgoal99
06-05-2012, 06:50 PM
Paul at 21% so far in Hudson County (NJ)

Suprising

MarcusI
06-05-2012, 06:51 PM
Results are coming in faster now in NJ, CNN already declared Romney the winner... with 6% reporting.

Romney

82.5%

17,121


Paul

9.7%

2,014


Santorum

4.8%

1,005


Gingrich

3.0%

618

sailingaway
06-05-2012, 06:53 PM
Paul at 21% so far in Hudson County (NJ)

Suprising

Too bad they are winner take all.

MarcusI
06-05-2012, 07:03 PM
McKnight was not on the ballot in District 7, i voted there

I think they got something wrong. Also McGowan is not in Dist. 50, but in Dist. 4

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Paul numbers in NJ are steadily raising on a low overall level, now 10,1% with 12.2% reporting

MarcusI
06-05-2012, 07:07 PM
First results from South Dakota at CNN:

9%
reporting

Romney

3,060

64%

Paul

648

14%


Santorum

580

12%


Gingrich

211

4%

sailingaway
06-05-2012, 07:08 PM
First results from South Dakota at CNN:

9%
reporting

Romney

3,060

64%

Paul

648

14%


Santorum

580

12%


Gingrich

211

4%

I hope that goes up, we need 20% for delegates, as I understand it.

Keith and stuff
06-05-2012, 07:10 PM
First numbers for NM according to Google
http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results/2012/gop-primary/nm

New Mexico Primary
0.1% reporting (1/1541)

Romney
71.4%
15

Santorum
9.5%
2

Paul
9.5%
2

Gingrich
9.5%
2

MarcusI
06-05-2012, 07:12 PM
More results from NEW MEXICO (CNN):

11%
reporting

Romney
79%

Paul
9%

Santorum
8%

Gingrich
4%

sailingaway
06-05-2012, 07:13 PM
First numbers for NM according to Google
http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results/2012/gop-primary/nm

New Mexico Primary
0.1% reporting (1/1541)

Romney
71.4%
15

Santorum
9.5%
2

Paul
9.5%
2

Gingrich
9.5%
2

In which alphabet does Santorum come before Paul? Or Gingrich?

I'd hoped for better

Gray Fullbuster
06-05-2012, 07:13 PM
Santa being Paul in SD.

Oh lord.

MarcusI
06-05-2012, 07:16 PM
I hope that goes up, we need 20% for delegates, as I understand it.

At least for "bound" delegates. I think they don't elect the delegates at the primary as in NJ.

Keith and stuff
06-05-2012, 07:18 PM
I hope that goes up, we need 20% for delegates, as I understand it.

I wouldn't count on RP getting 20% in a place like SD. If it was a caucus, absolutely. However, it isn't a caucus, it is a closed primary.

Ron Paul is currently in 3rd in a 2 man race in SD. I fully expect Ron Paul to finish 2nd, though. There were other candidates no longer in the race in 2008 and Ron Paul ended up soundly defeating the candidates that were not in the race. Hopefully, that happens again.

oldpal
06-05-2012, 07:19 PM
Is western SD any better for us? Stuck at 12.6%

MarcusI
06-05-2012, 07:25 PM
Santa being Paul in SD.

Oh lord.

Will be hard battle, I suppose, between Santa and Paul in SD. Both around 13%, Paul leading 1,780 to 1,737.

At least this will probably be the worst state for Romney since media declared the race over. 65% overall, 5,5% voting "uncommitted" in a four-man-race, some counties under 50% Romney.

Paulite
06-05-2012, 07:29 PM
sd a state ron paul lead in the polls. diebold

MarcusI
06-05-2012, 07:33 PM
Also in NEW MEXICO a tight race between Paul and Santorum for 2nd Place.

15% reporting (CNN)
1,517 Paul
1,458 Santorum

SilenceDewgooder
06-05-2012, 07:40 PM
and how many absentee ballots have been accounted for?

MarcusI
06-05-2012, 07:42 PM
Wanna hear some good news after this SNAFU?

According to Daily Paul:

[] Vote for Stacey Nelson State rep Dist 19 SOUTH DAKOTA

20/26 precints reporting

Nelson 37%
Schoenfish 28%
Putnam 23%
Hofer 11%

CPUd
06-05-2012, 07:42 PM
I thought they weren't using the machines in SD?

kathy88
06-05-2012, 07:47 PM
McKnight was not on the ballot in District 7, i voted thereKyrillos is my ediatricians son. (I'm in my 40s) kinda weird. Don't live in NJ anymore.

SilenceDewgooder
06-05-2012, 07:47 PM
I wonder how the nation would react if Paul won the popular vote in Utah.

MarcusI
06-05-2012, 07:51 PM
Daily Paul:

[] Vote for Ernie Otton (state Senate) (dist 6) SOUTH DAKOTA

Precints 10/12

Otton 56%
Abdallah 44% (okay, with this name...):rolleyes:

[] Vote for Jason Long, and Isaac Latterell (house) (dist 6) South Dakota

(I dont know why they say you should vote for both, but: )

Latterell 37%
Nusz 23%
Otten 22%
Long 18%

Aratus
06-05-2012, 07:54 PM
Walker just won in Wisconsin

Keith and stuff
06-05-2012, 07:55 PM
Paul is now 2nd (last) in SD but also 3rd (last) in NM. It is crazy that even now, people that aren't running, are doing as well or better than Paul. It also sucks that Paul is less popular in SD in 2012 than 2008. Why does Paul have so little support now in SD? What happened to turn people against him?


Walker just won in Wisconsin

That's expected but still nice to see. Don't get me wrong, I prefer that a governor be elected every 2 years like in NH. However, a recall election is very expensive so I don't see the point in having one unless someone does something horrible. Walker didn't see to commit a lot of crimes. It seemed like the recall was other policy disagreements. Walker want to cut spending and a lot of government workers were against that.

MarcusI
06-05-2012, 08:12 PM
SD
70% reporting

Paul
4,243


Santorum
4,044

NM
25% reporting

Santorum
2,692

Paul
2,539

MarcusI
06-05-2012, 08:15 PM
First results from MONTANA

Looks all the same
13% reporting

Romney

73.4%

10,385


Paul

10.5%

1,491


Santorum

8.7%

1,236


Gingrich

4.1%

580

fr33
06-05-2012, 08:15 PM
While I do find it negative to Paul that Santorum is rivaling in these states, I find it positive that the GOP dissent continues in another form by supporting non-existing campaigns like frothy's.

juvanya
06-05-2012, 08:21 PM
New Jersey has electronic machines, so who the hell knows what happened:
http://i.imgur.com/RojMk.jpg

In any case, I went to vote and the machine didnt work at first, so I called the person over and she asks me questions to make sure Im doing it right and then gets the machine to light up. But during that, she points to the Mitt Romney/establishment column and says thats the Republican place to vote.
Ill be reporting her to NJ ELEC and the FEC.

Bronies-4-Paul
06-05-2012, 08:29 PM
Voted in Los Angeles County this morning and I was number three. My father voted a few hours ago and he was number forty. With such a low turnout I am hoping for some wins statewide.

http://thumbnails63.imagebam.com/19436/918927194358775.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/918927194358775)

Razmear
06-05-2012, 08:30 PM
Voted in Los Angeles County this morning and I was number three. My father voted a few hours ago and he was number forty. With such a low turnout I am hoping for some wins statewide.

http://thumbnails63.imagebam.com/19436/918927194358775.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/918927194358775)

Please watch the total number of votes for your district and let us know if they are overinflated. Some of these turnout numbers seem way out of whack in these other states.

Fredom101
06-05-2012, 08:33 PM
Here's one thing I don't get. Let's say you're a typical, Fox News republican- you don't LIKE Romney, but you'll certainly support him over Obama. At this point, Romney has the GOP locked up and it's all over the news. Why would you even bother getting off your ass to vote? It seems like this is the exact kind of person who would stay home, but of course, the numbers show otherwise.

No1butPaul
06-05-2012, 08:40 PM
Here's one thing I don't get. Let's say you're a typical, Fox News republican- you don't LIKE Romney, but you'll certainly support him over Obama. At this point, Romney has the GOP locked up and it's all over the news. Why would you even bother getting off your ass to vote? It seems like this is the exact kind of person who would stay home, but of course, the numbers show otherwise.

Because they put state measures on the ballot that involve raising taxes ... so they come out on that and vote for Roms while their at it.

parocks
06-05-2012, 08:41 PM
And someone who hears the same thing that the Fox News Republican hears, who either 1) isn't registered, or 2) is a registered Democrat or 3) is an Independent is going to react how? Those people are going to vote?


Here's one thing I don't get. Let's say you're a typical, Fox News republican- you don't LIKE Romney, but you'll certainly support him over Obama. At this point, Romney has the GOP locked up and it's all over the news. Why would you even bother getting off your ass to vote? It seems like this is the exact kind of person who would stay home, but of course, the numbers show otherwise.

Bronies-4-Paul
06-05-2012, 08:41 PM
Here's one thing I don't get. Let's say you're a typical, Fox News republican- you don't LIKE Romney, but you'll certainly support him over Obama. At this point, Romney has the GOP locked up and it's all over the news. Why would you even bother getting off your ass to vote? It seems like this is the exact kind of person who would stay home, but of course, the numbers show otherwise.

Speaking for California there is a lot of stuff on the ballot. Even if you are not interested in the Presidential nomination we have propositions, a US Senate race and a host of local offices to vote for.

And Razmear I will report back in this thread and let you know if I notice anything suspicious or not.

Root
06-05-2012, 08:49 PM
According to Daily Paul these are Liberty candidates in NJ:

[] Vote for Robert Witterschein U.S. House Rep. Dist. 3

[] Vote for Patrick McKnight U.S. House Rep. Dist. 7

[] Vote for Joe Rudy Rullo U.S. Senate (statewide I believe)

[] Vote for Terry McGowan House Rep. Dist. 50

I cant find results for Witterschein and McKnight, but the other races:

Kyrillos , Joe GOP 5,493 65%
Brown , David GOP 1,175 14%
Rullo , Rudy GOP 937 11%
Qarmout , Bader GOP 834 10%

Smith , Chris (i) GOP 815 82%
McGowan , Terrence GOP 173 18%

Under 2% reporting in both races
Witterschein and McKnight are both running LP and have already secured their nomination. No need for a primary vote.

KMX
06-05-2012, 08:56 PM
Nobody likes Romney!!

Keith and stuff
06-05-2012, 09:02 PM
Witterschein and McKnight are both running LP and have already secured their nomination. No need for a primary vote.

0 for 5 in NJ then. That's unfortunate as NJ could use all of the help it could get.

Freedom Rankings
#49 Overall
#47 Economic
#45 Personal
http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011/NJ

juvanya
06-05-2012, 09:11 PM
Here's one thing I don't get. Let's say you're a typical, Fox News republican- you don't LIKE Romney, but you'll certainly support him over Obama. At this point, Romney has the GOP locked up and it's all over the news. Why would you even bother getting off your ass to vote? It seems like this is the exact kind of person who would stay home, but of course, the numbers show otherwise.My mom is a Democrat and voted even tho there was not a single competitive race for the Ds in our precinct.


0 for 5 in NJ then. That's unfortunate as NJ could use all of the help it could get.

Freedom Rankings
#49 Overall
#47 Economic
#45 Personal
http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011/NJYea it sucks here. I think all we have is Doherty. One out of 120. Highest feudal tenant rent (prop taxes). There was a Democrat libertarian running in 10th, but he only got 2%. Im running for state assembly next year and Im trying to get other people as well to run. I hope these people like Rullo and McKnight will run for senate and assembly next year. Im trying to get them to do it, but who knows.

Gravik
06-05-2012, 09:35 PM
Ugh, Paul isn't even 2nd in New Mexico....

Gravik
06-05-2012, 09:38 PM
So, are those in California just stupid and absolutely retarded? DO they not realize Romney will amp up the drug war more than Obama?!?!?!?!?

Keith and stuff
06-05-2012, 09:46 PM
So, are those in California just stupid and absolutely retarded? DO they not realize Romney will amp up the drug war more than Obama?!?!?!?!?

Will he? I didn't get that impression. Anyway, it is silly to ask if CA voters are stupid. After all, they live in CA. That means they are either stupid, hate liberty or don't give a F about politics. Except for NJ, CA is the least free state that doesn't swing. NY is actually the least free state but it does swing from D to R from time to time, at least somewhat. NJ and CA just don't swing from party to party.

Everyone expected Ron Paul to do bad in CA and the voters didn't let us down. As polls showed, Paul is doing better on the coast than inland.

http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011

fr33
06-05-2012, 10:08 PM
We all get angry when these primaries/caucuses happen. Pretty much every time. I hit bottom on super tuesday and expected what came after. Freedom isn't as popular as we'd like to think.

ican'tvote
06-05-2012, 10:12 PM
Does anyone have the link to the GOP Central Committee results? I feel like that's a place we could do well.

parocks
06-05-2012, 10:13 PM
We all get angry when these primaries/caucuses happen. Pretty much every time. I hit bottom on super tuesday and expected what came after. Freedom isn't as popular as we'd like to think.

super tuesday was the day. yup, same here. if we couldn't win one of those 10, with a lot of north there, hmm.

tsai3904
06-05-2012, 10:14 PM
Does anyone have the link to the GOP Central Committee results? I feel like that's a place we could do well.

You can find LA County's results here:
http://rrccmain.co.la.ca.us/0602_CountyContest_Frame.htm

WhistlinDave
06-05-2012, 10:17 PM
So, are those in California just stupid and absolutely retarded? DO they not realize Romney will amp up the drug war more than Obama?!?!?!?!?

I'm not quite sure what that would look like... I almost said I don't think that's possible but I suppose anything is possible. Obama is the worst drug war President in my lifetime, at least that I'm aware of.


Will he? I didn't get that impression. Anyway, it is silly to ask if CA voters are stupid. After all, they live in CA. That means they are either stupid, hate liberty or don't give a F about politics. Except for NJ, CA is the least free state that doesn't swing. NY is actually the least free state but it does swing from D to R from time to time, at least somewhat. NJ and CA just don't swing from party to party.

Everyone expected Ron Paul to do bad in CA and the voters didn't let us down. As polls showed, Paul is doing better on the coast than inland.

http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011


So, are those in California just stupid and absolutely retarded? DO they not realize Romney will amp up the drug war more than Obama?!?!?!?!?

Well I like to think I don't fit any of your characterizations of Californians. I won't take it personally though, because living here, I guess I can see why you say that. I hope there are a lot of others out there like me who left the Dems and registered Republican because we give a F so much we are supporting Ron Paul. Wish there was some way to know what the numbers are!

The biggest opposition I seem to get from friends and family in trying to get RP converts is, "Yea he wants freedom except when it comes to my uterus." Apparently Liberty of one's uterus is extremely important when Obama's signing of the NDAA can throw you AND your uterus into a military prison indefinitely, with no due process. Nothing I say can seem to get through to the "it's my body and I'll kill my baby if I want to" crowd that pervades Southern California.

There are two things in California that worry me the most for this primary, and I hope I'm wrong and RP still wins plenty of districts, but:

1. Last year we switched to a form of open primary system but it's for everything EXCEPT the Presidential primary and the Central Committee members. (I think those are the only exceptions, anyway.) I think a lot of people who may have been considering voting for Ron Paul may not have known they still needed to register Republican to do so.
2. California is a highly Blue state. There are millions of Republicans here too, but I think the demographic for Republicans skews much more toward the old folks here. And they are crabby old Romney people because they've been told he's the guy to beat Obama and they get pretty much all their political information from the boob tube and the newspaper. (I'm over-generalizing, of course, but I do think this is mostly the case here. And I suppose the reason they're so crabby is because I was calling them to ask them to vote for Ron Paul... LOL I found some really sour ones out there!)

Trying to stay optimistic. I'm hoping we still get some district wins.

tsai3904
06-05-2012, 10:18 PM
CA voters got tricked into voting for Prop 28, which is leading 65%-35%.

Prop 28:


Reduces total amount of time a person may serve in the state legislature from 14 years to 12 years. Allows 12 years' service in one house. Applies only to legislators first elected after measure is passed. Fiscal Impact: No direct fiscal effect on state or local governments.

Sounds like it reduces the amount of time someone can serve but it actually increases it by a lot. Currently, someone can serve in the State Assembly for 6 years and in the State Senate for 8 years for a total of 14 years (which hardly anyone does). Prop 28 increases the amount of years someone can serve in the Assembly from 6 years to 12 years (100% increase) and in the Senate from 8 years to 12 years (50% increase).

sailingaway
06-05-2012, 10:20 PM
CA voters got tricked into voting for Prop 28, which is leading 65%-35%.

Prop 28:



Sounds like it reduces the amount of time someone can serve but it actually increases it by a lot. Currently, someone can serve in the State Assembly for 6 years and in the State Senate for 8 years for a total of 14 years (which hardly anyone does). Prop 28 increases the amount of years someone can serve in the Assembly from 6 years to 12 years (100% increase) and in the Senate from 8 years to 12 years (50% increase).

sigh.... idiots. I voted against it, but I pay attention.

Looks like District 52 has three openings on the central committee...

Vaughn is in second, but since they get 7 and there were only 4 to vote for, they are all in. Vaughn is one of ours though.

juvanya
06-05-2012, 10:21 PM
We all get angry when these primaries/caucuses happen. Pretty much every time. I hit bottom on super tuesday and expected what came after. Freedom isn't as popular as we'd like to think.Give arguing with the anti Scott Walker people a whirl. WHERE WOULD WE BE WITHOUT GOVERNMENT?!?! IN THE FACTORIES AND MINES, THATS WHERE.


So, are those in California just stupid and absolutely retarded? DO they not realize Romney will amp up the drug war more than Obama?!?!?!?!?These are Republicans and its a closed primary. And youre expecting potheads to vote? They couldnt even get prop 19 passed.

KerriAnn
06-05-2012, 10:28 PM
Some results I found for my local area here in CA, from the la times. Pete Stark's not the worst Dem there is, but I voted for Christopher Pareja...

U.S. House District 15
Livermore
Precincts reporting: 34.4% (164/477)
Party Votes Percent
Pete Stark* Dem 17,779 43.3%
Eric Swalwell Dem 14,619 35.6%
Christopher Pareja NPD 8,665 21.1%

WhistlinDave
06-05-2012, 10:33 PM
Does anyone have the link to the GOP Central Committee results? I feel like that's a place we could do well.

Here's the main results page for Orange County, CA. You then have to click on the links along the left to see the results of each contest. They have just barely started to post results from a few precincts.

http://www.ocvote.com/fileadmin/live/pri2012/results.htm#c-1264

Incidentally, I think Orange County is the only one in the whole state where registered Republicans outnumber Dems. (Correct me if I'm wrong... Maybe somebody else knows for sure.)

sailingaway
06-05-2012, 10:35 PM
four of the six liberty central committee members from my district are winning, two are losing unfortunately, so far. Still out of seven, four would be a majority at least from our district, if that holds true (it is only 2% of the vote). I hope we pull a majority overall.

Paul4Prez
06-05-2012, 10:41 PM
California results are here:

http://graphics.latimes.com/california-primary-june-5-2012/#/other_races

With 13.5% reporting:

Romney 81.1%
Paul 9.2% (75,573 votes so far)
Santorum 4.8%
Gingrich 3.7%
Roemer 0.7%
Karger 0.5%

Diashi
06-05-2012, 10:58 PM
sigh.... idiots. I voted against it, but I pay attention.

Looks like District 52 has three openings on the central committee...

Vaughn is in second, but since they get 7 and there were only 4 to vote for, they are all in. Vaughn is one of ours though.

Voted against that as well. I think both resolutions, the term "decrease", and some other tax hike, all pegged as negative.

These CA results are abysmal. What fools there are amongst us day-by-day.

alucard13mmfmj
06-05-2012, 10:59 PM
question is ;p.. should we be saved?

Lightweis
06-05-2012, 11:00 PM
How do we do worse in SOuth Dakota LOL

seawolf
06-05-2012, 11:15 PM
Thank you John and Jesse for your well thought out and very Strategic Campaign E-Mail of May 14th.

You certainly knew what you were doing, didn't you!!!!

fr33
06-05-2012, 11:16 PM
Give arguing with the anti Scott Walker people a whirl. WHERE WOULD WE BE WITHOUT GOVERNMENT?!?! IN THE FACTORIES AND MINES, THATS WHERE.Yeah you know we're fucked when the most precious unions are govt worker unions, which produce NOTHING. I'm willing to bet over 90% of those govt employees are working for their kids to get jobs that don't include factories and mines. You know, we Americans are all about pencil-pushing and nothing about producing a damn thing.

"What? Our money is backed by our production or by how many people we bully abroad? Oh my..."

CJPrinter
06-05-2012, 11:24 PM
I'm not from CA, but I'm guessing this is the "official" count:

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/republican/

UpperDecker
06-05-2012, 11:31 PM
Speaking as a born and raised California, I can understand and agree with the hate lol. I plan on moving to another state one of these days (after I finish school hopefully). Anyway, I got my girlfriend to register to vote a few months ago and took her to the polls today so we could cast our vote for Dr. Paul. I also just got word from my dad that I was able to get him and my mother to vote Paul as well. May not be much, but I'm glad i was able to get at least a few people to vote for liberty.

CJPrinter
06-05-2012, 11:59 PM
Umm....How the hell does this happen‽

Alameda County
0.0% ( 0 of 1,004 ) precincts partially or fully reporting as of June 5, 2012, 8:32 p.m.
Newt Gingrich (Rep) 670 4.1%
Fred Karger (Rep) 94 0.6%
Ron Paul (Rep) 2,016 12.4%
Charles E. "Buddy" Roemer, III (Rep) 177 1.1%
Mitt Romney (Rep) 12,328 75.9%
Rick Santorum (Rep) 947 5.8%

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/republican/county/alameda/

juvanya
06-06-2012, 12:01 AM
We all get angry when these primaries/caucuses happen. Pretty much every time. I hit bottom on super tuesday and expected what came after. Freedom isn't as popular as we'd like to think.


So, are those in California just stupid and absolutely retarded? DO they not realize Romney will amp up the drug war more than Obama?!?!?!?!?


Yeah you know we're fucked when the most precious unions are govt worker unions, which produce NOTHING. I'm willing to bet over 90% of those govt employees are working for their kids to get jobs that don't include factories and mines. You know, we Americans are all about pencil-pushing and nothing about producing a damn thing.

"What? Our money is backed by our production or by how many people we bully abroad? Oh my..."IF IT WERENT FOR THE USDA, WE WOULD DRINK CHALK (they shut up when i mentioned raw milk raids)

CJPrinter
06-06-2012, 12:04 AM
Umm....How the hell does this happen‽

Alameda County
0.0% ( 0 of 1,004 ) precincts partially or fully reporting as of June 5, 2012, 8:32 p.m.
Newt Gingrich (Rep) 670 4.1%
Fred Karger (Rep) 94 0.6%
Ron Paul (Rep) 2,016 12.4%
Charles E. "Buddy" Roemer, III (Rep) 177 1.1%
Mitt Romney (Rep) 12,328 75.9%
Rick Santorum (Rep) 947 5.8%

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/republican/county/alameda/

Same goes for these!
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/republican/county/del-norte/
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/republican/county/humboldt/
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/republican/county/inyo/
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/republican/county/santa-cruz/
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/republican/county/siskiyou/
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/republican/county/sonoma/
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/republican/county/tulare/

MarcusI
06-06-2012, 12:16 AM
Best district is district 12 in CA with 18.4%

Compared with all other results since Santa dropped out, the TX home counties were still the best for Ron.

MarcusI
06-06-2012, 12:27 AM
Total vote comparison:

2008 - 2012

NJ 27,184 - 23,593 (97% reporting)

SD 10,072 - 6,704 (99% reporting) uuh. Did the official campaign had some activities in 2008 in SD?

NM 15,551 - 9,328 (67% reporting) could be about the same in the end

MT 20,452 - 16,809 (99% reporting) 2008 was a two-man-race

CA 125,365 - 99,594 (50% reporting)

Tiso0770
06-06-2012, 12:37 AM
No Fricken way one candidate could possibly get that many votes...I'm calling election fraud on Romney...82%....come on.

MarcusI
06-06-2012, 12:51 AM
Best county results

SD:

Buffalo
100%
reporting

Mitt Romney
18
49%

Ron Paul
13
35%

Rick Santorum
6
16%

Newt Gingrich
0
0%


Perkins
100%
reporting

Mitt Romney
133
48%

Ron Paul
87
31%

Rick Santorum
36
13%

Newt Gingrich
10
4%


NJ

Cumberland
100%
reporting

Mitt Romney
1,805
71%

Ron Paul
418
17%

Rick Santorum
189
7%

Newt Gingrich
121
5%


MT

Wibaux
100%
reporting

Mitt Romney
131
59%

Ron Paul
47
21%

Rick Santorum
24
11%

Newt Gingrich
12
5%

Lake and Sanders County also 21%

NM
3 tied at 15% Paul: Catron, Los Alamos, Taos


CA: too less has been counted yet

juvanya
06-06-2012, 01:05 AM
Best county results

NJ

Cumberland
100%
reporting

Mitt Romney
1,805
71%

Ron Paul
418
17%

Rick Santorum
189
7%

Newt Gingrich
121
5%
Northwest Jersey and Hudson county also did well. Hudson is a complete surprise since its very urban, but NW is probably the most independent part of the state. Its probably a bit like Maine or NH.

JasonM
06-06-2012, 01:08 AM
No Fricken way one candidate could possibly get that many votes...I'm calling election fraud on Romney...82%....come on.

Of course they can, when only supporters of one particular candidate bother to turn out in droves.

All those Gingrich, Santorum voters simply stayed home, as well as any soft Ron Paul voters who didn't bother voting due to the mistaken assumption that Romney is the presumptive nominee.

I have a sick feeling that Romney "supporters" still outnumber Ron Paul supporters.

Just keep winning as many of those all important party positions as possible as we take over the Republican party from the inside out so that what happened in Nevada in 2008 will end up turning into Nevada and Iowa in 2012. We may have narrowly lost a lot of delegates in states like Missouri and Washington at state level, but in 2014 and 2016 those will be Rand Paul states hands down.

Pauls' Revere
06-06-2012, 01:14 AM
CA prop 29 looks like it passed which will raise taxes on cigarettes.

Statewide
54.5% ( 11,996 of 21,993 ) precincts partially or fully reporting as of June 6, 2012, 12:04 a.m.

Votes%
Yes

1,502,292

50.1%


No

1,493,677

49.9%

enfield
06-06-2012, 01:19 AM
that's too close to call I think. oops I'm logged into a strange account.

Bronies-4-Paul
06-06-2012, 01:24 AM
Not really surprised about the results in CA. However I am very saddened over South Dakota.

juvanya
06-06-2012, 01:28 AM
Not really surprised about the results in CA. However I am very saddened over South Dakota.We were dicked by Santorum and Gingrich staying in.

MarcusI
06-06-2012, 04:21 AM
Total vote comparison:

2008 - 2012

NJ 27,184 - 23,593 (97% reporting)

SD 10,072 - 6,704 (99% reporting) uuh. Did the official campaign had some activities in 2008 in SD?

NM 15,551 - 9,328 (67% reporting) could be about the same in the end

MT 20,452 - 16,809 (99% reporting) 2008 was a two-man-race

CA 125,365 - 99,594 (50% reporting)

Updates:

MT 20,452 --> 19,155 (99% reporting, maybe a error above)

CA 125,365 --> 147,880 (99% reporting)

Best county result in CA:

Santa Cruz
100%
reporting

Mitt Romney
5,886
66%

Ron Paul
2,108
24%

Rick Santorum
446
5%

Newt Gingrich
274
3%

Best county results in MT:

Lincoln and Sanders, both 23%, both in the north-western corner of MT

Montana result overall: (99% reporting acc. to CNN, 91.7% acc. to AP)

Romney 68.4%
Paul 14.3%
Santa 9.0%
Grinch 4.3%

In the end a better result than in SD.

sailingaway
06-06-2012, 07:14 AM
CA results, Ron got 10.79%




Candidate Votes Percent
MITT ROMNEY 173,163 78.24
RON PAUL 23,881 10.79
RICK SANTORUM 11,891 5.37
NEWT GINGRICH 8,647 3.91
C E ROEMER III 2,195 0.99
FRED KARGER 1,532 0.69

Checking the central committee members is going to take longer.

We got 4 of 7 in my district, though. Two of our people lost.

slamhead
06-06-2012, 07:53 AM
Surprised Ron did better in Northern California. Way to go Santa Cruz, Co. Great job. Basically I am seeing double the numbers in my district/precinct from 2008. The fact is in California this time around there was not much visible support for Ron Paul like there was in 2008. Most hard core supporters were working behind the scenes. In 08 we used to have dozens of people turn out for sign waves and there was basically a meetup in every city. In my local meetup in 08 we would turn out 20 people for a sign wave. This combined with the brutal lack of coverage and the meme that Ron dropped out hurt us.

slamhead
06-06-2012, 08:06 AM
Pretty sad showing for Liberty candidates in Orange County, California. Of all the central committee people from VoteLiberty.info (http://web.me.com/thriiive/VoteLiberty.info/Orange_County.html) I see only two made it on the committee.

sailingaway
06-06-2012, 08:09 AM
Surprised Ron did better in Northern California. Way to go Santa Cruz, Co. Great job. Basically I am seeing double the numbers in my district/precinct from 2008. The fact is in California this time around there was not much visible support for Ron Paul like there was in 2008. Most hard core supporters were working behind the scenes. In 08 we used to have dozens of people turn out for sign waves and there was basically a meetup in every city. In my local meetup in 08 we would turn out 20 people for a sign wave. This combined with the brutal lack of coverage and the meme that Ron dropped out hurt us.

Actually, true northern California is rural as is central (non coastal) California. I always see Ron Paul signs there, year round, election year or not, actually.

FSP-Rebel
06-06-2012, 08:18 AM
Pretty sad showing for Liberty candidates in Orange County, California. Of all the central committee people from VoteLiberty.info (http://web.me.com/thriiive/VoteLiberty.info/Orange_County.html) I see only two made it on the committee.
2 is better than none

slamhead
06-06-2012, 08:24 AM
2 is better than none

Browsing through LA county I see we did well in the 39th. We picked up all seven slots. I was sad to see that LA Mary (Wiliamson) who we have seen on RT did not prevail in her run in the 50th AD.

Keith and stuff
06-06-2012, 09:27 AM
We were dicked by Santorum and Gingrich staying in.

Santorum and Gingrich didn't stay in. They dropped out long ago. Still, a dropped out Santorum was about as popular as Paul in SD and NM. I guess that means there is just about no support for Paul in SD and NM. Heck, his vote totals dropped from 2008.

Lot's of people said that since Paul did well in MT in the caucus in 2008 that he would do well in MT this year. Well, this year, there was just a primary in MT (for popular vote measuring) and we saw how well Paul did in the primary. That is really going to deflate the egos of a few people on this forum.

sailingaway
06-06-2012, 09:27 AM
Orange County is a Republican power center and contested.

I went through the web page for LA county and we seem to have won 50 of 113 slots OR 52 if our two write ins made it in a district where only four (all ours) were shown to win on the ballot (meaning there are three slots on the webpage unaccounted for.) There is another beyond our writeins available if there weren't other write ins we don't know about, and in AD 53 there are two extra seats not awarded by ballot unless there are write ins we don't know about -- all five of our folks in that AD won.

Then there are 63, 64, 67 and 70 ADs which were not on the web page, but we only tried for 7 of the 28 slots available -- but I don't know if anyone else tried for them either. So we don't have a majority on paper. In reality, a lot will depend on who actually shows up, I would think. We have a lot. People who were recruited just to block us might not actually attend meetings.

sailingaway
06-06-2012, 09:29 AM
Santorum and Gingrich didn't stay in. They dropped out long ago. Still, a dropped out Santorum was about as popular as Paul in SD and NM. I guess that means there is just about no support for Paul in SD and NM. Heck, his vote totals dropped from 2008.

Lot's of people said that since Paul did well in MT in the caucus in 2008 that he would do well in MT this year. Well, this year, there was just a primary in MT (for popular vote measuring) and we saw how well Paul did in the primary. That is really going to deflate the egos of a few people on this forum.

It means that people who were putting in votes 'against Romney' saw no reason to not register it by voting their favorite, even if they would have preferred Ron to Romney. After the campaign email, people widely thought they had all dropped out. There was apparently an internal SD poll that had Ron at 25% against Romney, but that wasn't the choice on the ballot.

harikaried
06-06-2012, 09:50 AM
Surprised Ron did better in Northern California. Way to go Santa Cruz, Co. Great job.Yup excellent job by the Santa Cruz guys. Here's the full California county level results for Ron Paul sorted by vote%:

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/county/table/r/ca


Santa Cruz: 2,108 (24%)
San Francisco: 1,650 (18%)
Lake: 550 (16%)
Alpine: 25 (16%)
Mendocino: 474 (15%)
Trinity: 207 (15%)
Santa Clara: 7,079 (14%)
Sonoma: 3,281 (14%)
Monterey: 1,567 (14%)
Sierra: 87 (14%)
Alameda: 3,911 (13%)
San Mateo: 2,664 (13%)
San Luis Obispo: 2,964 (12%)
Marin: 1,256 (12%)
Yolo: 998 (12%)
Napa: 716 (12%)
Los Angeles: 23,881 (11%)
Sacramento: 5,806 (11%)
Butte: 1,882 (11%)
Humboldt: 905 (11%)
Calaveras: 600 (11%)
Tehama: 567 (11%)
Siskiyou: 469 (11%)
San Benito: 271 (11%)
Mariposa: 264 (11%)
Glenn: 253 (11%)
Del Norte: 221 (11%)
Mono: 126 (11%)
San Bernardino: 7,385 (10%)
Contra Costa: 4,593 (10%)
San Joaquin: 2,859 (10%)
El Dorado: 2,110 (10%)
Stanislaus: 2,032 (10%)
Solano: 1,704 (10%)
Shasta: 1,603 (10%)
Nevada: 919 (10%)
Tuolumne: 571 (10%)
Amador: 500 (10%)
Lassen: 301 (10%)
Plumas: 283 (10%)
San Diego: 15,781 (9%)
Orange: 15,249 (9%)
Riverside: 7,782 (9%)
Placer: 2,946 (9%)
Santa Barbara: 2,484 (9%)
Merced: 787 (9%)
Inyo: 164 (9%)
Ventura: 3,777 (8%)
Fresno: 2,582 (8%)
Madera: 713 (8%)
Sutter: 449 (8%)
Imperial: 326 (8%)
Yuba: 288 (8%)
Colusa: 146 (8%)
Modoc: 126 (8%)
Kern: 3,105 (7%)
Tulare: 1,064 (7%)
Kings: 489 (6%)

slamhead
06-06-2012, 09:50 AM
NM 15,551 - 9,328 (67% reporting)

edited...I missed that this was a 2008-12 comparison.

Keith and stuff
06-06-2012, 09:51 AM
CA results, Ron got 10.79%

What is the link for that? Google show 10.2% for Paul with 100% results.
http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results/2012/gop-primary/ca

Wikipedia shows the same thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Republican_presidential_primary,_2012

No1butPaul
06-06-2012, 09:55 AM
CA prop 29 looks like it passed which will raise taxes on cigarettes.

Statewide
54.5% ( 11,996 of 21,993 ) precincts partially or fully reporting as of June 6, 2012, 12:04 a.m.

Votes%
Yes

1,502,292

50.1%


No

1,493,677

49.9%

Nope, it failed, but narrowly -- 49.2 to 50.8 -- I guess a lot of people think it's a good idea to keep punishing smokers for the bloated gov't spending.

L.A. County Tax increases for hotel & landfill passed though. I don't understand how people don't see the solution is to stop the spending! I guess they don't think these taxes are going to affect them.

MozoVote
06-06-2012, 06:36 PM
Northern California doesn't have the defense-contractor mindset and economy of Southern Cal. And some of the counties around the bay area voted to pass the last marijuana decriminalization initiative. It makes sense that Paul did better up north.

sailingaway
06-06-2012, 06:55 PM
What is the link for that? Google show 10.2% for Paul with 100% results.
http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results/2012/gop-primary/ca

Wikipedia shows the same thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Republican_presidential_primary,_2012


it was the Ca secty of state, this morning when I was going through the central committee members, I don't have it up right now.

Keith and stuff
06-06-2012, 07:24 PM
it was the Ca secty of state, this morning when I was going through the central committee members, I don't have it up right now.

I guess it was just in your area or something and I misinterpreted to mean the whole state. Or it was partial results and I misinterpreted it to mean the full results.

Ron Paul (Rep) 147,900
10.2%
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/republican/