What's with facebook?

[tommy949]

DId Facebook get sold to the government or something because I heard they can now violate our privacy rights

[paulbot24]

What is facebook? :p

[jbauer]

You signed up to have a free account with them by checking yes on the accept terms page. They can do anything they want to do with you. You do however, have the right to terminate the agreement and stop using their services any time you choose. Facebook is what it is, their entire business model has changed from gathering users to making profit off those users. What exactly don't you understand about that?

Oh, and didn't you watch the Ipad South Park episode??

[specsaregood]

DId Facebook get sold to the government or something because I heard they can now violate our privacy rights

Anybody that uses that thing owes it to themselves to look at what facebook turns over to the govt when asked. Every single thing you ever said, did, looked at, uploaded on facebook is recorded. They have enough to print an entire biography on their users. The people that use it a lot, are just making a permanent record for every single event in their life. scary shit.

[tommy949]

SO if you post a privacy notice, it won't stop them?

[Anti Federalist]

Anybody that uses that thing owes it to themselves to look at what facebook turns over to the govt when asked. Every single thing you ever said, did, looked at, uploaded on facebook is recorded. They have enough to print an entire biography on their users. The people that use it a lot, are just making a permanent record for every single event in their life. scary shit.

This.

Fuck a bunch a of Farcebook.

[pcgame]

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[paulbot24]

"I don't worry about that stuff because, well, I don't know about you, but I'm not hiding anything." - GD I hate hearing that from FB shills.

[jj-]

Anybody that uses that thing owes it to themselves to look at what facebook turns over to the govt when asked.

Doesn't google do the same? Don't they have the entire list of searches you've made?

[QuickZ06]

Once you're in the system, you are in the system.

[Anti Federalist]

"I don't worry about that stuff because, well, I don't know about you, but I'm not hiding anything." - GD I hate hearing that from FB shills.
Yeah?

Bet they have committed three felonies today, and don't even know it.

[Intoxiklown]

SO if you post a privacy notice, it won't stop them?

No, because everything you post on FaceBook...is the property of FaceBook.

[specsaregood]

Doesn't google do the same? Don't they have the entire list of searches you've made?

Searches are less detailed than what facebook gives them. Hundreds of pages of screenshots, private messages, every message every posted, ever image posted, even private. People are putting their whole life on facebook and its a permanent record for any interested party with access. Hell, all the images even get uploaded out of the country (out of us jurisdiction) to a firm in israel which holds the database for facial recognition tagging.

[QuickZ06]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1U8KsQPIrY0

[jj-]

I know that facebook stores everything you say, but I truly don't get how you all get upset about it, since everything you say at RonPaulForums is also in a government database, along with every IP address your username has used, and we say much more controversial stuff. So I don't get all the vitriol against facebook from RonPaulForums posters.

[specsaregood]

I know that facebook stores everything you say, but I truly don't get how you all get upset about it, since everything you say at RonPaulForums is also in a government database, along with every IP address your username has used, and we say much more controversial stuff. So I don't get all the vitriol against facebook from RonPaulForums posters.

My impression is facebook is more personal and people expose a lot more of their private lives on it.

[jj-]

My impression is facebook is more personal and people expose a lot more of their private lives on it.

It might vary from one individual to another. I have posted things much more dangerous to my reputation here. In facebook I say things like "Happy Birthday!". "Cute!". "See you Friday morning". Sure, some people might send some dirty love messages or something like that, but few are stupid enough to do a Weiner. What people say in RonPaulForums seem to me more risky than that.

[QuickZ06]

I know that facebook stores everything you say, but I truly don't get how you all get upset about it, since everything you say at RonPaulForums is also in a government database, along with every IP address your username has used, and we say much more controversial stuff. So I don't get all the vitriol against facebook from RonPaulForums posters.

On here I just know you as politics and the occasion two bit story goes. But on Facebook I can know what underwear you choose to wear. People expose themselves more on Facebook than they would even in public. Everything I discus on here I would say to you in person.

[paulbot24]

Not to mention that there still is no such thing as a sarcasm font! I started an account at first, and filled it with sarcastic garbage to protest the whole idea....Only to realize it is all recorded. Beautiful. Last I checked, "I was being sarcastic" still doesn't work very well in a court of law. On a positive note, I did list "Sarcasm" as tops of my talents and interests. Can't say I feel much better.......

[jj-]

On here I just know you as politics and the occasion two bit story goes. But on Facebook I can know what underwear you choose to wear. People expose themselves more on Facebook than they would even in public. Everything I discus on here I would say to you in person.

Would you say what's written in my signature to a guy in a uniform?

[QuickZ06]

Would you what's written in my signature to a guy in a uniform?

I was one.

[paulbot24]

As was I.

[jj-]

I was one.

I see. My point still is that to some of us who didn't serve, openly holding some of the opinions we say here would make life in our communities more difficult than if they know the color of our underwear.

[paulbot24]

I've found more courage on here than my time there.

[tommy949]

Assassin's creed 3 is awesome, Ubisoft is a company that supports Ron Paul

[QuickZ06]

Assassin's creed 3 is awesome, Ubisoft is a company that supports Ron Paul

Yep, and their game The Watch Dog really makes me think. Are they trying to tell gamers something?

[The Free Hornet]

You signed up to have a free account with them by checking yes on the accept terms page. They can do anything they want to do with you. You do however, have the right to terminate the agreement and stop using their services any time you choose. ...

Oh, and didn't you watch the Ipad South Park episode??

I would have thought the point of that South Park episode is that they cannot do anything they want with you. Demonstrating absurdity by being absurd. An equally fun reference is the "You have 0 Friends (http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s14e04-you-have-0-friends)" episode that actually is about Facebook.

Contracts are sufficiently divorced from the written letter that one can sign many without a meeting of the minds being demonstrated - or at least not clear. I may ignore a subclause not because I agree to it but because I know state-law X already makes it null and void.


Facebook is what it is, their entire business model has changed from gathering users to making profit off those users. What exactly don't you understand about that?

Wasn't the business model always to make money off of users? Also, there is the business model of making money off the hype - the greater fool theory. No doubt, like with TV, the users are product not customers.

[RickyJ]

It might vary from one individual to another. I have posted things much more dangerous to my reputation here. In facebook I say things like "Happy Birthday!". "Cute!". "See you Friday morning". Sure, some people might send some dirty love messages or something like that, but few are stupid enough to do a Weiner. What people say in RonPaulForums seem to me more risky than that.

On Ron Paul forums I don't say anything risky, I have another forum for that. :D
On facebook I don't give a crap. Come get me government, because I am ready for you.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

No, because everything you post on FaceBook...is the property of FaceBook.


I mostly use it for liberty propaganda. Wish facebook owned more of that.



I know that facebook stores everything you say, but I truly don't get how you all get upset about it, since everything you say at RonPaulForums is also in a government database, along with every IP address your username has used, and we say much more controversial stuff. So I don't get all the vitriol against facebook from RonPaulForums posters.


This is true. Unless people are doing some rather complicated things (for an average user) every time they log in to RPF, then your data streams are likely being recorded and matched to you, or will be rather soon.



On here I just know you as politics and the occasion two bit story goes. But on Facebook I can know what underwear you choose to wear. People expose themselves more on Facebook than they would even in public. Everything I discus on here I would say to you in person.


The real danger isn't what other people know, but what government will know and use against you. They will get that from your current and previous posts here too, I believe. This is a lot of the reason why I use facebook for liberty propaganda. I'm already on whatever lists they're keeping. Might as well put a face on it for friends I can influence.

[moostraks]

Hmm...since the conversation has become one of here vs. facebook. I have a facebook account, ironically only because of mailers I was doing for the last RP campaign. I haven't used it at all since about 4 years ago. Anything I say here I would want the government to know if they were to be so curious about someone as irrelevant as myself. However if I was to traipse on over to paranoiaville and believe they were pilfering through my information specifically I would have to believe it would be for their benefit somehow. I would think that the stuff that people post on facebook would be much more useful to use against someone to elicit a certain response than what is said here. Most of us here are either already known regarding our opinions locally or are willing to say what we say here, in public, especially if we were in a situation where it is teh government that has us under duress.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

What else do you expect from a company that put your information on the stock market?

[JSaindon]

Whats funny about reading here at RPF is the two distinct types of people. Theres the ones that still don't stress out too much about the piddly shit such as FB but know there is a huge problem, then there are those who think that everything is a conspiracy and "big brother" is watching their every move.

Facebook is its users. A bunch of tweens who have no lives yet, but think its cool to post everything they do all day as if its headline news. Some advertisers are pulling out now because most people who buy shit don't sit on FB all day. FB will flop and be old news soon enough.

I'm sure people are using it for terrorist attacks and I'm sure the gov't has 10 rooms of PCs with people just monitoring FB posts all day. :rollseyes:

Some people here need to relax and smoke a jay or something. The high blood pressure can't be good.

[specsaregood]

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[PaulConventionWV]

I would have thought the point of that South Park episode is that they cannot do anything they want with you. Demonstrating absurdity by being absurd. An equally fun reference is the "You have 0 Friends (http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s14e04-you-have-0-friends)" episode that actually is about Facebook.

Contracts are sufficiently divorced from the written letter that one can sign many without a meeting of the minds being demonstrated - or at least not clear. I may ignore a subclause not because I agree to it but because I know state-law X already makes it null and void.



Wasn't the business model always to make money off of users? Also, there is the business model of making money off the hype - the greater fool theory. No doubt, like with TV, the users are product not customers.

Not necessarily. When I start my website, the plan is to gather users by offering ridulously low prices and advertising a lot. That may put my profits in the hole, but as soon as it becomes widely recognized and used, the prices rise and advertising is less targeted. The "big picture" might be to make money, but the plan changes throughout the process.

[PaulConventionWV]

Whats funny about reading here at RPF is the two distinct types of people. Theres the ones that still don't stress out too much about the piddly shit such as FB but know there is a huge problem, then there are those who think that everything is a conspiracy and "big brother" is watching their every move.

Facebook is its users. A bunch of tweens who have no lives yet, but think its cool to post everything they do all day as if its headline news. Some advertisers are pulling out now because most people who buy shit don't sit on FB all day. FB will flop and be old news soon enough.

I'm sure people are using it for terrorist attacks and I'm sure the gov't has 10 rooms of PCs with people just monitoring FB posts all day. :rollseyes:

Some people here need to relax and smoke a jay or something. The high blood pressure can't be good.

I tend to agree with you that Facebook will flop pretty soon. Facebook stock is not performing well at all. I knew it wouldn't as soon as they announced it.

[seraphson]

won't facebook eventually become "so yesterday" and some other superior social media take over

From a stocks perspective this has already occurred. With the exception of some new worthless IPO taking the crown.

[specsaregood]

I tend to agree with you that Facebook will flop pretty soon. Facebook stock is not performing well at all. I knew it wouldn't as soon as they announced it.

They arent going anywhere, don't kid yourself. They are at the point size wise that they will just eat up anything smaller that interests them. maybe they wont focus on social media as much in the same way, but the company itself isn't going anywhere.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Hmm...since the conversation has become one of here vs. facebook. I have a facebook account, ironically only because of mailers I was doing for the last RP campaign. I haven't used it at all since about 4 years ago. Anything I say here I would want the government to know if they were to be so curious about someone as irrelevant as myself. However if I was to traipse on over to paranoiaville and believe they were pilfering through my information specifically I would have to believe it would be for their benefit somehow. I would think that the stuff that people post on facebook would be much more useful to use against someone to elicit a certain response than what is said here.


Interesting point. My personal paranoiaville is not that they care about me personally or would use something against me personally, but more along the same lines of why people don't want government keeping lists of gun owners. Things like facebook, google, and your posting history on forums, make you easily grouped by keyword searches, filters, etc. Some people think their facebook history is public while their message board posts are private. If this has been true before, it likely isn't now. Same with website viewing history. Google/doubleclick is tracking you around the web, as well as facebook, and it's likely all tied to people as individuals.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I'm sure people are using it for terrorist attacks and I'm sure the gov't has 10 rooms of PCs with people just monitoring FB posts all day. :rollseyes:

Named: Akhmed
Location: CIA HQ

[moostraks]

Interesting point. My personal paranoiaville is not that they care about me personally or would use something against me personally, but more along the same lines of why people don't want government keeping lists of gun owners. Things like facebook, google, and your posting history on forums, make you easily grouped by keyword searches, filters, etc. Some people think their facebook history is public while their message board posts are private. If this has been true before, it likely isn't now. Same with website viewing history. Google/doubleclick is tracking you around the web, as well as facebook, and it's likely all tied to people as individuals.

I could see an agency like CPS making requests for internet info common practice at some point in the not too distant future. They operate with a standard procedure being to tell you that you will do everything they tell you to do or you will never see your children again. The information most people put on facebook can be gold to a viscious agency such as children services....

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I could see an agency like CPS making requests for internet info common practice at some point in the not too distant future. They operate with a standard procedure being to tell you that you will do everything they tell you to do or you will never see your children again. The information most people put on facebook can be gold to a viscious agency such as children services....


CPS, DEA, DHS, ATF, future socialist governments, etc. Although, they won't need to make any info requests. It will be likely be fed to them. They'll just have the info filtered to them automatically by computers, and then run down their lists. For instance, you don't really need a list of gun owners if you have a list of people who post on gun forums and/or watch videos about guns (repair, tactics, shooting, etc) on youtube. Add to that the people who make gun related searches on google, etc, and you could make a rather accurate list of gun owners that use the internet. Cross reference with cable companies (complicit in your lack of privacy already) and now your list has names and addresses instead of just IP addresses. Even if they weren't parsing streams of actual forum posts, just site visits would give you a nice list. You don't need to be logged into facebook for them to track you around, either. There are facebook buttons all over this site for instance. If you spend a significant amount of time here, FB knows it.

It doesn't have to be done at the federal level, either. The feds can just forward that information on to state authorities. Maybe it will be sold to them through various business models. Maybe CPS would like to make visits based on an assumption that there are firearms in a home, or because a household spends time reading pit bull forums, home schooling, raw milk, prepping, etc.

Or maybe they'll have a self service situation where localities can use their own keywords. Google isn't just amazing with collecting information, but they're also amazing with categorizing and making lists out of information. They're not going to build this giant data parser in Utah and use it for nothing.

[specsaregood]

Here is an example of what facebook gives to the cops:
http://www.issuu.com/thebostonphoenix/docs/markoff-facebook-subpoena

[RickyJ]

At some point we either unite and tell the government to fuck off or we hide from them forever afraid they might realize we are against them! It is high time to stop being afraid of these fools and for them to start being afraid of us. Life is short, it is time to be free! There is no reason to cling to a life of fear, let it go, be free.

[Vessol]

DId Facebook get sold to the government or something because I heard they can now violate our privacy rights

Facebook was established on the very idea of gathering personal information and selling it. If you're getting something for absolutely free, YOU ARE NOT THE CUSTOMER. Simple as that.

[Marenco]

http://dade.za.net/imagechan_images/233869892e511c998d79c9245ee7dd99.jpg

[paulbot24]

Huge clue as to what they were up to was when they changed the way you input interests, achievements, books, movies, etc. from simple text box input to data matching. This style of input is specifically for easy database population. No more tedious text string searches....although tedious is hardly the word I would use for anything they set their mind to with the amount of resources at their disposal, especially coming in Utah...

[heavenlyboy34]

The insanity that is FB is why I have never used any of my real information on it, nor have I posted anything distinctly "me". I also rarely use it except to post things on my artist's page. Any personal information is shared via email, snail mail, phone, or in person. I suggest those who seriously use FB at least mask their IPs.

[specsaregood]

The insanity that is FB is why I have never used any of my real information on it, nor have I posted anything distinctly "me". I also rarely use it except to post things on my artist's page. Any personal information is shared via email, snail mail, phone, or in person. I suggest those who seriously use FB at least mask their IPs.

I was having a beer with a young fbi agent this afternoon and the topic of facebook came up. I asked him if he had seen what facebook turns over with a subpoena and he said that he had. He proceeded to tell me that he refuses to use it and that people that did were morons. I got him another beer.