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Keith and stuff
06-04-2012, 01:32 PM
New Fines In Place For Cats And Dogs That Don’t Buckle Up In New Jersey
June 2, 2012 10:30 PM
By David Madden
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/06/02/new-fines-in-place-for-cats-and-dogs-that-dont-buckle-up-in-new-jersey/
PHILADELPHIA (CBS) – Click it or ticket. It’s not just for people anymore — at least in the Garden State.
Police and animal control officers are authorized to cite drivers with unrestrained animals in the car. Yes, that includes the back of a pickup truck too. Violators can be fined $250 to $1,000 per offense.
Dogs can be placed in harnesses that click right into the seat belt buckle. Cats don’t take well to harnesses for the most part, so they need to go in a carrier. And the carrier needs to be buckled down.
This is why I work so hard to make sure that New Hampshire doesn't have adult seat belt laws like the other states. If you give the government an inch, it will take a foot.
sailingaway
06-04-2012, 01:37 PM
Perp depicted photographically:
http://cbsphilly.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/dog-hangin-out-window-getty.jpg?w=300
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/06/02/new-fines-in-place-for-cats-and-dogs-that-dont-buckle-up-in-new-jersey/#.T80Noy0j7c4.twitter
LibertyEagle
06-04-2012, 01:39 PM
Which is one of the many reasons I have no desire to leave in on the East coast.
pcosmar
06-04-2012, 01:45 PM
Damn Nannys.
Dogs love trucks.
Years back, I remember one that rode on the top of the cab. Everywhere. Not because he had to,, but because he liked to.
These folks can even ruin a dogs life.
Anti Federalist
06-04-2012, 01:47 PM
This is why I work so hard to make sure that New Hampshire doesn't have adult seat belt laws like the other states. If you give the government an inch, it will take a foot.
And I remember being called a paranoid lunatic for saying, 25 years ago when NJ was the second state in the nation to pass a mandatory seat belt law, that incredible fines, roadblocks and prison would be the end result.
But even I didn't anticipate $1000 fines for not putting a seat belt on a dog.
But a cop can shoot your dog whenever he feels like it.
Keith and stuff
06-04-2012, 01:51 PM
Now cops can pull people over and say they thought the dog wasn't buckled. They don't have to say, I thought your plate light was out. Or, you crossed the yellow line. The more BS excuses the cops have for pulling people over, the harder it is to tell if cops are profiling.
This is what happens when we treat pets as if they are human and deserve equal rights. Look for more laws like this. Obese pet? Does it walk with a limp? Is it trained by a public school to sit and stay? Does it regularly attend public school? Does it have it's immunizations? You will be charged separately for everything and you will go to prison.
Melissa
06-04-2012, 02:01 PM
This is so twisted, I foster pets and sometimes have to go pick them up right after work, heck I am lucky to have a leash to get some of the strays let alone a buckle and a carrier, This makes me want to fight even harder to get rid of the nanny and police state
MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
06-04-2012, 02:03 PM
And I remember being called a paranoid lunatic for saying, 25 years ago when NJ was the second state in the nation to pass a mandatory seat belt law, that incredible fines, roadblocks and prison would be the end result.
But even I didn't anticipate $1000 fines for not putting a seat belt on a dog.
But a cop can shoot your dog whenever he feels like it.
I wonder if they'll start shooting them for not wearing seat belts. "That vicious border collie lunged at me!"
Now cops can pull people over and say they thought the dog wasn't buckled. They don't have to say, I thought your plate light was out. Or, you crossed the yellow line. The more BS excuses the cops have for pulling people over, the harder it is to tell if cops are profiling.
It's not so much that they're profiling, but that they like to pull people over and sniff around, just like "terry stops" or "knock and talks." Now they just have more reasons to start the initial harassment.
brandon
06-04-2012, 02:06 PM
Good grief, I was going to take my dog to a nj beach next week too. I may have to rethink that.
Working Poor
06-04-2012, 02:11 PM
Sounds like "pet smart" lobbied the state to force people to by pet seat belts to me.
Warrior_of_Freedom
06-04-2012, 02:15 PM
Sounds like "pet smart" lobbied the state to force people to by pet seat belts to me.
Yes, this is obviously the result of lobbying from pet retailers to turn a profit on pet carriers and restrains.
pcosmar
06-04-2012, 02:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6gI7Ts14Qw
Lindsey
06-04-2012, 02:37 PM
Ridiculous. My dog loves hanging her head out the window up to about 35-40mph and I encourage it. People need to mind their own business.
I wouldn't buy a car harness - just make a seat belt loop for your dog's current harness. You can do this pretty much for free:
Take an old leash.
Leave the clip in tact and then cut the leash so that you dog has as much leeway as you'd like him/her to have (I'd probably do about 20-24" but I want my little dog to still be able to move around and feel free.)
Run a stitch across the old leash to create the loop.
Clip the old leash/new loop onto the D-ring of the harness.
Run the seat belt through the new loop hole.
Consider your dog restrained.
Keith and stuff
06-04-2012, 02:51 PM
Which is one of the many reasons I have no desire to leave in on the East coast.
The East Coast is the only place without an adult seat belt law, a mandatory auto insurance requirement or even learner's permits. Every state except NH has all of those.
QuickZ06
06-04-2012, 02:56 PM
Good god, is the east coast even part of the US anymore?
Lindsey
06-04-2012, 03:06 PM
The East Coast is the only place without an adult seat belt law, a mandatory auto insurance requirement or even learner's permits. Every state except NH has all of those.
Ok, I am starting to listen, but can you just make NH 20 degrees F warmer in the winter and cut the annual snowfall by 2/3rds?
This place gets more pathetic every day
Warrior_of_Freedom
06-04-2012, 03:10 PM
Good god, is the east coast even part of the US anymore?lolololol
phill4paul
06-04-2012, 03:14 PM
All animals are equal. Some more than others.
https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRIGL5AcYs2SSA-6XSjzaoBxywpQvayucAfRwkMAboacIN6lzFLVQ
pcosmar
06-04-2012, 03:16 PM
Dog not wearing a seat belt,, give the dog a ticket.
Oh,, and make sure that the dog understands it's rights.
Humanae Libertas
06-04-2012, 03:21 PM
Funny how cops seem to care about animals/pets. Meanwhile, they're the one's blasting holes into them.
JK/SEA
06-04-2012, 03:22 PM
Thats it..dammit, i'm calling the NJ Governor and demand all cats and dogs attend some kind of mandatory obedience school...or voc.tech. training. These animals have had it too good for too long. I wish i could just lay around all day and wait for somebody to feed me. Ya think i could get my Katie to get the mail?..or get some wood for the woodstove?...hell no!...seat belts for dogs?..pfffh...i know my Katie could drive my car with the proper government training...hell, they train dolphins to blow up ships...
Keith and stuff
06-04-2012, 03:25 PM
Ok, I am starting to listen, but can you just make NH 20 degrees F warmer in the winter and cut the annual snowfall by 2/3rds?
That happened last winter. I don't think it will become a regular occurrence, though :(
There is always the common practice of living in NH except during the winter or vacationing in a warm area 2-4 weeks during the winter. Some people like swimming in the ocean during the winter so they vacation in HI or Costa Rica.
Lots of people take the opposite route. That helps explain why people are more active in NH in the winter than most of the other states. I took up snow skiing, snowshoeing, sledding and even tried out snowboarding a couple times. Heck, I even took a part-time job at a ski area one winter so I could do it all for free. Several cities have free outdoor ice skating/hockey areas. They are just ponds that freeze over for 4-12 weeks per year. There is one a mile from my place but I don't know how to ice skate. A couple of the guys from up north even told me about one of their favorite winter hobbies, ice fishing. I never tried it because it isn't very practical in the part of the state where I live.
trey4sports
06-04-2012, 03:35 PM
There's no way my cat will actually pay the fine.
trey4sports
06-04-2012, 03:36 PM
I LOVE the cold. I'd much rather be somewhere like NH than Florida.
Kotin
06-04-2012, 03:37 PM
Perp depicted photographically:
http://cbsphilly.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/dog-hangin-out-window-getty.jpg?w=300
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/06/02/new-fines-in-place-for-cats-and-dogs-that-dont-buckle-up-in-new-jersey/#.T80Noy0j7c4.twitter
Hahahaha hahahaha!
angelatc
06-04-2012, 03:41 PM
This is so twisted, I foster pets and sometimes have to go pick them up right after work, heck I am lucky to have a leash to get some of the strays let alone a buckle and a carrier, This makes me want to fight even harder to get rid of the nanny and police state
I used to do transports - sometimes I'd have 10 - 12 dogs in the van.
bolil
06-04-2012, 03:48 PM
And I remember being called a paranoid lunatic for saying, 25 years ago when NJ was the second state in the nation to pass a mandatory seat belt law, that incredible fines, roadblocks and prison would be the end result.
But even I didn't anticipate $1000 fines for not putting a seat belt on a dog.
But a cop can shoot your dog whenever he feels like it.
I think that is the point of the restraint: Restrict movement. We all know static targets are easier to hit.
QuickZ06
06-04-2012, 03:50 PM
I used to do transports - sometimes I'd have 10 - 12 dogs in the van.
Time to capitalize in some doggy seats with seat belts.
ZENemy
06-04-2012, 04:12 PM
This is so the cops dont have to aim much when they execute your dog whlie its in your car.
Zippyjuan
06-04-2012, 04:21 PM
I would be curious to see how they propose to put a seatbelt on a cat.
phill4paul
06-04-2012, 04:28 PM
Distracted driving is srs bizness...
https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1oxdWwCSrGyxJVKjRj-i2Cvmw2uArlkyMaxJZ7xWvKtEligwT1w
so the real question is hmmmhere:
how many DOGS have the VARIOUS agencies in nj KILLED VOLUNTARILY while pursuing such noble legislation?
i am guessing it is more than go flying through windows in head-ons...
Ridiculous. .. People need to mind their own business.
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stop the iNtErNeT here, i would like to get off.
sweet dreams
farreri
06-04-2012, 04:45 PM
Ray Martinez, head of the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission, just wants to avoid distracted driving.
“People actually driving with a dog or a cat on their laps. It’s not cute. It’s actually dangerous for the driver. It’s dangerous for other drivers and it’s dangerous for that pet.”
If it so dangerous, why hasn't this group formed: MAFRPIV, Mothers Against Free-Roaming Pets In Vehicles?
Seriously, when's the last time you heard of a vehicle accident being caused by and unleashed pet in the car? Not saying it doesn't happen, just seems to be more rare than not. I bet car stereos cause more accidents.
Anti Federalist
06-04-2012, 05:09 PM
I would be curious to see how they propose to put a seatbelt on a cat.
You didn't read it...
Cats don’t take well to harnesses for the most part, so they need to go in a carrier. And the carrier needs to be buckled down
Anti Federalist
06-04-2012, 05:10 PM
The East Coast is the only place without an adult seat belt law, a mandatory auto insurance requirement or even learner's permits. Every state except NH has all of those.
Zing.
I'm sorry, but the southern states are, in spite of NJ laws like this, some of the most heavily surveilled police states in the country.
Going to Texas gives me the hives.
farreri
06-04-2012, 05:14 PM
Weird, pet carriage and harness makers are overwhelmingly supporting this bill. :P
phill4paul
06-04-2012, 05:17 PM
Zing.
I'm sorry, but the southern states are, in spite of NJ laws like this, some of the most heavily surveilled police states in the country.
Going to Texas gives me the hives.
Once upon a time N.C. had 'First in Freedom' license plate in honour of the Mecklenburg Declaration. This brought several lawsuits...
The slogan drew objections from people who criticized North Carolina for its foot-dragging on issues of freedom and equality for blacks and women. Other "special interest" groups questioned the right of a southern state that had seceded from the union during the Civil War to claim to have been "First in Freedom". Some people taped over the slogan. Eventually, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled (in a separate case, over the New Hampshire slogan 'Live Free Or Die') that car owners could obliterate offending slogans on their license plates.
http://www.sandersweb.net/nc/FirstInFreedom.htm
Zippyjuan
06-04-2012, 05:25 PM
You didn't read it...
Guilty. Thanks.
Reminds me of that recent story somebody posted here of the guy arrested for DUI heading back from the bar- he had his zebra (a miniature) and macaw in the front seat of his truck.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/iowa-man-arrested-outside-bar-with-zebra-and-parrot-in-truck-charged-with-drunken-driving/2012/05/22/gIQAJxx0iU_story.html
Iowa man arrested outside bar with zebra and parrot in truck, charged with drunken driving
By Associated Press, Published: May 22
DUBUQUE, Iowa — An Iowa man stopped outside a Dubuque bar with a small zebra and a parrot in his truck has been charged with drunken driving.
KCRG-TV reports (http://bit.ly/KkBp1j ) officers arrested 56-year-old Jerald Reiter of Cascade on Sunday in the parking lot of the Dog House bar, where people had been taking photos of the animals.
Reiter says the zebra and macaw parrot are pets and like riding in the truck. Reiter claims he sometimes takes the animals into the bar, but the owner says they’re not allowed inside.
Officers gave Reiter a field sobriety test and charged him with drunken driving. Reiter disputes the arrest. He says he was about to let a passenger, a person, begin driving.
He says he thinks someone who came to see the animals called police.
This law would allow them to also cite him for having "unsecured non-human passengers" in his vehicle.
Anti Federalist
06-04-2012, 06:03 PM
This law would allow them to also cite him for having "unsecured non-human passengers" in his vehicle.
Now you know why some of us "paranoids" are the way we are.
When everything is against the law, and violation of any law is liable to result in a platoon of SWAT raiders busting down your door, a good healthy dose of paranoia is simply a self survival tool.
Anti Federalist
06-04-2012, 11:08 PM
This thread needs bump.
paulbot24
06-04-2012, 11:35 PM
This kind of legislation from a place with a governor that needs a blimp to get around....I used to like Christie. I thought he sounded like the no-nonsense type that is rare, until I found Ron. Now Christie just sounds like another empty suit with the volume turned up.
asurfaholic
06-05-2012, 05:51 AM
You put a cat in a cage then hit a tree at 50mph, the cat isn't in any better shape than if it was out of the cage....
Reminds me of a time when I would put rocks in a bucket and shake it.
Not that I care about cats in the least, but this is really ridiculous. Im never visiting that place, ever.
John F Kennedy III
06-05-2012, 06:27 AM
You get what you pay for, and freedom's a real high price.
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