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Anti Federalist
06-03-2012, 01:24 PM
Revelation 13:16-17
King James Version

16: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.





‘Human barcode’ could make society more organized, but invades privacy, civil liberties

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/human-barcode-society-organized-invades-privacy-civil-liberties-article-1.1088129#ixzz1wlBD8g6x

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1088127.1338557719!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_200/image.jpg

Would you barcode your baby?

Microchip implants have become standard practice for our pets, but have been a tougher sell when it comes to the idea of putting them in people.

Science fiction author Elizabeth Moon last week rekindled the debate on whether it's a good idea to "barcode" infants at birth in an interview on a BBC radio program.

“I would insist on every individual having a unique ID permanently attached — a barcode if you will — an implanted chip to provide an easy, fast inexpensive way to identify individuals,” she said on The Forum, a weekly show that features "a global thinking" discussing a "radical, inspiring or controversial idea" for 60 seconds .

Moon believes the tools most commonly used for surveillance and identification — like video cameras and DNA testing — are slow, costly and often ineffective.

In her opinion, human barcoding would save a lot of time and money.

The proposal isn’t too far-fetched - it is already technically possible to "barcode" a human - but does it violate our rights to privacy?

Opponents argue that giving up anonymity would cultivate an “Orwellian” society where all citizens can be tracked.

“To have a record of everywhere you go and everything you do would be a frightening thing,” Stanley, senior policy analyst at the American Civil Liberties Union, told the Daily News.

He warned of a “check-point society” where everyone carries an internal passport and has to show their papers at every turn, he said.

“Once we let the government and businesses go down the road of nosing around in our lives...we’re going to quickly lose all our privacy,” said Stanley.

There are already, and increasingly, ways to electronically track people. Since 2006, new U.S. passports include radio frequency identification tags (RFID) that store all the information in the passport, plus a digital picture of the owner.

In 2002, an implantable ID chip called VeriChip was approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. The chip could be implanted in a person's arm, and when scanned, could pull up a 16 digit ID number containing information about the user.

It was discontinued in 2010 amid concerns about privacy and safety.

Still scientists and engineers have not given up on the idea.

A handful of enterprising companies have stepped into the void left by VeriChip, and are developing ways to integrate technology and man.

Biotech company MicroCHIPS has developed an implantable chip to deliver medicine to people on schedule and without injection. And technology company BIOPTid has patented a noninvasive method of identification called the “human barcode.”

Advocates say electronic verification could help parents or caregivers keep track of children and the elderly. Chips could be used to easily access medical information, and would make going through security points more convenient, reports say.

But there are also concerns about security breaches by hackers. If computers and social networks are already vulnerable to hacking and identify theft, imagine if someone could get access to your personal ID chip?

Stanley cautioned against throwing the baby out with the bathwater each time someone invents a new gadget.

“We can have security, we can have convenience, and we can have privacy,” he said. “We can have our cake and eat it too.”

pcosmar
06-03-2012, 01:36 PM
Invisible RFID Ink Safe For Cattle And People, Company Says
http://www.informationweek.com/news/196802844

The technology has been available for a few years now.

Anti Federalist
06-03-2012, 01:40 PM
Invisible RFID Ink Safe For Cattle And People, Company Says
http://www.informationweek.com/news/196802844

The technology has been available for a few years now.

Yup, but I didn't know that VeriChip had gone tits up.

pcosmar
06-03-2012, 01:45 PM
Yup, but I didn't know that VeriChip had gone tits up.

The parent companies are still busy..
PositiveID, a subsidiary of
Applied Digital Solutions

Lishy
06-03-2012, 01:46 PM
To be completely fair, this is what ID cards are for. Why need human barcodes!?

Danke
06-03-2012, 01:48 PM
Aren't fingerprints unique?

Anti Federalist
06-03-2012, 01:53 PM
Aren't fingerprints unique?

Reptilians and pod people don't have any.

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/1405/1103361-fry_2.jpg

Anti Federalist
06-03-2012, 01:53 PM
The parent companies are still busy..
PositiveID, a subsidiary of
Applied Digital Solutions

Sadly, very true.

Rest assured, somebody will run with this technology.

phill4paul
06-03-2012, 01:56 PM
Sadly, very true.

Rest assured, somebody will run with this technology.

Only a matter of time. First it will be implemented to track those in government institutions. Then on to the rest of us 'criminals.'

kathy88
06-03-2012, 01:56 PM
Just the fact that people aren't going bat shit crazy over just the idea of this tells me that many would willingly go along... Romney voters would be first in line probably.

pcosmar
06-03-2012, 02:00 PM
Just the fact that people aren't going bat shit crazy over just the idea of this tells me that many would willingly go along... Romney voters would be first in line probably.

It will be "sold" for "security" and Convenience.

It fits right in with a cashless society.

And yes,, most will buy into it.

:(

CaptainAmerica
06-03-2012, 02:12 PM
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/07/31/international/31holocaust.xlarge.jpg
This is what an intelligent normal person would think of immediately when told that an identification system of barcodes/numbers would be good.

Anti Federalist
06-03-2012, 02:15 PM
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/07/31/international/31holocaust.xlarge.jpg
This is what an intelligent normal person would think of immediately when told that an identification system of barcodes/numbers would be good.

A system facilitated by IBM.

Don't anybody fucking ever tell me that corporations won't willingly take part in and assist the tyranny.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/mauthausen/MauthausenPhotos/OldPhotos/MassGraveUSHMM.jpg

donnay
06-03-2012, 02:22 PM
Chip Implants Linked to Animal Tumors
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/08/AR2007090800997_pf.html

http://www.antichips.com/images/000-verichip-protest-may-1-560w.JPG



Chips: High-tech aids or tools for Big Brother?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19904543/#.T8vG11tNquM

Microchip-Cancer Report
http://www.antichips.com/cancer/index.html

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
06-03-2012, 02:28 PM
Opponents argue that giving up anonymity would cultivate an “Orwellian” society where all citizens can be tracked.

This "opponent" argues "go fuck yourselves." Excuse my language, but there's no way I go along with this, even a little bit, for any reason. I don't care if Krugman's aliens show up and demand it.

Anti Federalist
06-03-2012, 02:31 PM
And VeriChip is tits up.

But I thought protesting was pointless?


Chip Implants Linked to Animal Tumors
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/08/AR2007090800997_pf.html

http://www.antichips.com/images/000-verichip-protest-may-1-560w.JPG



Chips: High-tech aids or tools for Big Brother?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19904543/#.T8vG11tNquM

Microchip-Cancer Report
http://www.antichips.com/cancer/index.html

donnay
06-03-2012, 02:43 PM
And VeriChip is tits up.


They are still in business under the name of Applied Digital Solutions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applied_Digital_Solutions


I am still waiting for Tommy Thompson to get his done for all the world to see. :mad:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A1_Y_psZTA

paulbot24
06-03-2012, 02:50 PM
“We can have our cake and eat it too.”

Riiiiiiiiiiiight. They can have their RFID and eat me too.

NoOneButPaul
06-03-2012, 02:57 PM
Apparently Social Security numbers aren't enough...

Eisenhower
06-03-2012, 03:28 PM
You would see a civil war in whatever country mandates this.

aGameOfThrones
06-03-2012, 04:11 PM
You would see a civil war in whatever country mandates this.

Or civil obedience.

Warrior_of_Freedom
06-03-2012, 04:45 PM
You would see a civil war in whatever country mandates this.
the numbers vs the numberless?

2young2vote
06-04-2012, 10:04 AM
It would be forced upon newborns. We would see a rise in "illegal home-births" because people wouldn't want their children to become a part of the herd. There would be a black market in doctors who can deliver babies, so the dangers to the infants would rise because of the lack of market-ready equipment available to these underground doctors.

donnay
06-04-2012, 10:11 AM
It would be forced upon newborns. We would see a rise in "illegal home-births" because people wouldn't want their children to become a part of the herd. There would be a black market in doctors who can deliver babies, so the dangers to the infants would rise because of the lack of market-ready equipment available to these underground doctors.

The thing is, the fear they instilled into people about having babies is ridiculous. Women have been giving birth since the beginning of time without all the equipment around them. Home births are up, and I applaud these people for doing so!

ZenBowman
06-04-2012, 10:16 AM
Sadly, very true.

Rest assured, somebody will run with this technology.

Probably is a market there for seniors living alone with health issues, aren't some people voluntarily doing this?

jkr
06-04-2012, 10:17 AM
To be completely fair, this is what ID cards are for. Why need human barcodes!?

because they consider us cattle

PaulConventionWV
06-04-2012, 10:20 AM
Invisible RFID Ink Safe For Cattle And People, Company Says
http://www.informationweek.com/news/196802844

The technology has been available for a few years now.

Cattle AND people, huh? What a paradoxical statement.

PaulConventionWV
06-04-2012, 10:29 AM
You would see a civil war in whatever country mandates this.

It won't be mandated. Society will be built for those with the mark. Anyone who doesn't have it cannot live in society. They don't have to make you get the chip, they just have to rig the game so that you NEED the chip.

jkr
06-04-2012, 10:40 AM
Cattle AND people, huh? What a paradoxical statement.
"...Man and other ANIMALS..."

Origanalist
06-04-2012, 10:59 AM
It won't be mandated. Society will be built for those with the mark. Anyone who doesn't have it cannot live in society. They don't have to make you get the chip, they just have to rig the game so that you NEED the chip.
Very good take on the way changes are being brought about in society.

pcosmar
06-04-2012, 11:50 AM
It won't be mandated. Society will be built for those with the mark. Anyone who doesn't have it cannot live in society. They don't have to make you get the chip, they just have to rig the game so that you NEED the chip.

Exactly.
It would be required for employment,to cash a check or have a bank account.
To be seen at a hospital, to drive a car. Any and everything.

Just another aspect of total control.

PaulConventionWV
06-05-2012, 07:59 AM
Exactly.
It would be required for employment,to cash a check or have a bank account.
To be seen at a hospital, to drive a car. Any and everything.

Just another aspect of total control.

Purchase items from the grocery store, etc...

paulbot24
06-05-2012, 02:12 PM
Putting bodies in clearly marked plots with stone labels makes society more organized as well. I just saw Romney speaking at one, discussing the need for war....Everything looked so damn organized.

Demigod
06-05-2012, 02:24 PM
Exactly.
It would be required for employment,to cash a check or have a bank account.
To be seen at a hospital, to drive a car. Any and everything.

Just another aspect of total control.

And it would not work because the biggest global black market in history will form.If the governments decide to go against the black market they will spread them self`s thin as hell and will not be able to function properly.

People may give away some aspects of their liberty because they are too lazy and just want to give the responsibility to someone else or just trust government but letting someone but a bar code on them or a chip inside them steps over the line in every way.

Demigod
06-05-2012, 02:26 PM
It won't be mandated. Society will be built for those with the mark. Anyone who doesn't have it cannot live in society. They don't have to make you get the chip, they just have to rig the game so that you NEED the chip.

Then they will just split the people in 2 groups that will always consider the other inferior and by doing so basically beg for a revolt that will come eventually.