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SilenceDewgooder
06-02-2012, 05:25 PM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2018339810_apwapaulssupporters2ndldwritethru.html

Why Ron Paul's fans are still amassing delegates

TACOMA, Wash. —
They jeer at the idea of coalescing behind Mitt Romney. They're still scraping for every possible delegate. And they hold out hope that Ron Paul could win the presidency this year.

By just watching Paul's loyal supporters, you'd never know that the Republican presidential contest is over.

Given that the delegate math makes it virtually impossible for the Texas congressman to win the nomination, it seems quixotic for his libertarian-leaning backers to continue their crusade. Here's a primer on what's going on among Paul's disciples and why they haven't given up:

DIDN'T ROMNEY WIN THE NOMINATION?

Yes, Romney has already won enough delegates (far surpassing the 1,144 needed) to formally secure the GOP nomination at the convention in August. Along with five delegates he won in Washington on Friday, Paul now has about 140 pledged to him - less than Rick Santorum, who already dropped out of the race. Many Paul supporters are unwilling to concede, however, and a few say the media has conspired to make Romney the presumptive winner. They booed on Friday when Romney's son, Josh, implored them to unite in support of the assumed candidate. Some Paul backers are still holding out hope that he could become the Republican nominee.

HONESTLY, IS THERE ANY POSSIBLE WAY FOR PAUL TO WIN?

Most Paul loyalists acknowledge that delegates bound to vote for Romney at the national convention would have to break their pledges en masse in order for Paul to win - a development that borders on inconceivable. It would mean that delegates, many of whom are GOP activists who have backed Romney for a long time, would take repercussions from the party for violating the rules of the process and then throw their support behind Paul instead of another alternative. Matt Dubin, a Paul delegate and organizer in Washington state, said it was both unlikely and something he is not advocating. Still, he said, it's something he would like to see happen. If that turmoil somehow occurred, Paul would also likely have to recruit disgruntled supporters of Santorum and Newt Gingrich to back him.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER REASONS TO AMASS DELEGATES?

The more people they have inside the convention, the more power Paul's folks have in influencing both the party and Romney. They desperately want a voice in the party's policy platform. In his Washington state convention speech, Dubin told the crowd that the Paul delegation was the future of the Republican party and said they wanted to hold Romney's feet to the fire so that he doesn't waver from conservative principles. They're particularly advocating for strict policies that would balance the federal budget and overhaul the Federal Reserve - ideas that fit nicely with mainstream GOP ideas. He also has some unconventional Republican proposals, such as his opposition to American intervention abroad and government efforts to fight terrorism at home.

WHAT IS PAUL SAYING?

Paul suspended active campaigning in May, saying he would no longer compete in states that have not voted. But he encouraged his supporters to continue their work in state conventions, in which dedication by his activists can give them influence over state parties and a chance to add to his delegate total for the national convention. He has not indicated whether he will endorse Romney.

WILL PAUL'S FOLKS EVER BACK ROMNEY?

This is an important question for the general election. Many Paul delegates said the ultimate goal is to oust President Barack Obama and that they would reluctantly campaign for Romney if he was the other option. Others said they would never back Romney. Steve Holmes, 60, of Deer Park, said he didn't see a difference between Obama and Romney. If Ron Paul wasn't on the ballot, Holmes said, he planned to write Paul's name in.

AP Writer Mike Baker can be reached on Facebook at: http://on.fb.me/HiPpEV

BSWPaulsen
06-02-2012, 05:44 PM
Utterly disgusting that there are members of the movement that think ousting Obama is the ultimate goal. They are sure as hell not about liberty if they think replacing Obama with Romney is the ultimate goal. Idiots, the lot of them.

TrishW
06-02-2012, 06:19 PM
They just don't get it. They are still fighting the war between Republicans and Democrats. That war has been fought so many times before and no matter which side won... we lost.

This is our fight to win or to lose. It has very little to do with party affiliation and everything to do with our freedom and our future.

I would think that Ron Paul understands us. But I do think that if the end means we lose... he wants us to swallow the bitter pill. He has planted his flag in the Republican party. He does not want all our gains to be a lost. We may not defeat them, but we cannot allow them to kill us. We may be a weed growing rapidly within the party, but one day we will flower.

I hope it is sooner, rather than later. But it will be. It has to be!

thatpeculiarcat
06-02-2012, 06:25 PM
DIDN'T ROMNEY WIN THE NOMINATION?


No, and I wish all media sources would quit reporting this bullshit

The title of the article strikes me as odd. "Fans" - like we are some sort of groupies. I'm glad we are referred to as supporters in the article however.

Koz
06-02-2012, 08:54 PM
Utterly disgusting that there are members of the movement that think ousting Obama is the ultimate goal. They are sure as hell not about liberty if they think replacing Obama with Romney is the ultimate goal. Idiots, the lot of them.

I think this is speculation. I certainly won't be campaigning, supporting, or voting for Romney in the general. I agree with Mr. Holmes, Romney is pretty much the same as Obama.