View Full Version : Glenn Beck is going down everyone help out!!! TAKE ACTION!!!
conner_condor
11-16-2007, 09:44 AM
Just thought I would post this as to not forget and let it slip away quietly as though it never happened as the MSM does sometimes.. We can't forget...Must let them know we are still working on their sponsors.....
http://dailypaul.com/node/7467
Stealth4
11-16-2007, 09:47 AM
be careful with this - is this going to get us new voters? Many of his audience are republicans who we need to reach, educate and have them be RP supporters. If we push this it can backfire and turn off all those who like GB now.
Think of it from a strategic campaign perspective. Getting angry doesnt usually get more people interested.
Doing something amazing like Nov. 5th - or hopefully this charity food drive - gets us the attention we NEED.
LibertyEagle
11-16-2007, 09:53 AM
Conner,
All of these attacks do one thing exceedingly well. They divert us from our real purpose. To get out the word about Ron Paul and his platform. Don't waste time with these other jerks. There are a LOT of people out there, who don't even know about Ron Paul and those who do, have propaganda stuffed in their heads. We can change that, if we only would get campaign literature in their hands, so they can see the truth for themselves.
If we are not successful in our efforts, there will be plenty of time to email Beck's sponsors AFTER the primaries. For right now, please, let's stay focused.
Mr. White
11-16-2007, 09:54 AM
Agree with LE, some are getting distracted by this kind of thing.
nathanmn
11-16-2007, 09:55 AM
We need to be positive and try to reach people with Ron Paul's message of liberty, peace, and prosperity. Running around attacking people doesn't do that.
JMann
11-16-2007, 09:59 AM
Why do the broadcast news and cable network programs run disclaimer like Rush and most other talk shows saying that view expressed are not that of the sponsors or the station....
When reading Jos. A. Banks weak response that they are trying to reach CNN viewers not supporting the views of the people speaking. I think CBS, NBC and ABC news as well as the cable networks should run the same disclaimer to protect their advertiser. Otherwise, you must assume that the businesses support the views.
Ozwest
11-16-2007, 10:04 AM
Why not use our clout to defeat these neo-con shills? Standing for liberty and exposing un-truths should never be discouraged. Fight fire with fire I say...
conner_condor
11-16-2007, 10:10 AM
5 minutes to write an email to just one of their sponsors a day is not going to take away as much time as many think.People before work got time while they drink their coffee. How many people got time to do really any other type of RP support before work? 5 minutes in the morning if that is not taking away from RP.
torchbearer
11-16-2007, 10:10 AM
Yeh, I'm so distracted by it I can't function anymore. Don't click on the OP link, it will destroy the entire campaign.
Or you could take the minutes you waste posting on this forum, which is also a distraction, and voice your opinion if you so choose.
Why act like you are someone's guardian? You have no authority over another person's decisions. If people are compelled to write his sponsors, who are you to tell them not to? Who made you God?
American
11-16-2007, 10:16 AM
If we dont do anything once we have started this, it will only boost rating for Glenn Beck, we have raised some attention to his show but if we drop this then this will be the blowback from not following through.
Remember he called us terrorists?
Pauliana
11-16-2007, 10:19 AM
Agree - this is not going to endear us to the people we need to court. Sorry, but this is why the LP never gained any traction. It's this us vs them mentality. Ron Paul is all about coalition building, being a statesman, being a gentleman. I'd rather win him over than declare war. C'mon people.
Yes, let's all just sit quietly while the smear aritists develop the theme that we're domestic terrorists, and that Ron Paul is a racist, and an anti-Semite. Let's all just be nice and polite so we don't offend anyone. Let's just IGNORE it all, maybe it will "go away".
speciallyblend
11-16-2007, 10:26 AM
What would our founding fathers do?? just ask the british?? anyway a boycott of glenn beck isnt going to hurt RP but it will hurt glenn beck rating and our supporters can multi-task so in the end,everyone keep working .boycotting isnt starting a war,its dealing with the dumba-- blenn beck in a upstanding way,would you rather they use colonial tactics?? i think writing and emailing and boycotting ,is a just way
tmg19103
11-16-2007, 10:28 AM
I don't think it takes long to contact the Beck sponsors listed in the Daily Paul link.
The point made that I agree with is that if we take Beck down, it will send a message to other media outlets that wish to attack RP to be careful. I'm willing to say that going forward Beck won't knock RP. He probably won't talk about him, which is fine because all he did was slam RP and us - and that was not going to change.
The attacks on RP will only get worse as RP gains momentum, and I see this as a way to warn the MSM that their actions have consequences.
Ozwest
11-16-2007, 10:31 AM
Do you think Mr. Beck and others of his ilk will stop spreading lies and half-truths about Ron Paul if we meekly standby. If America's Fore Fathers stood idly by as their English oppressors cowered them into submission "God save the Queen" might be the U.S Anthem. Similarly, not exposing agents of a corrupt media and political system will allow the seed of fascism in America to take root and grow!
Revolution9
11-16-2007, 10:31 AM
be careful with this - is this going to get us new voters? Many of his audience are republicans who we need to reach, educate and have them be RP supporters. If we push this it can backfire and turn off all those who like GB now.
Think of it from a strategic campaign perspective. Getting angry doesnt usually get more people interested.
Doing something amazing like Nov. 5th - or hopefully this charity food drive - gets us the attention we NEED.
When are you people going to learn your promulgations and decrees on this board reach just a small concensus. For instance..take this letter on another board
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=113266
Now you understand WHY congress passed HR 1955 -- All of us are in the gun sites now... we HAVE to remain strong... shoulder to shoulder and bolder and bolder we grow as we go to the FORE!!!
AMAZING EMAIL TO GLENN BECK (CNN) FROM A RON PAUL SUPPORTER + ADVERTIZER BOYCOTT
Glenn Beck: 'Ron Paul supporters may be domestic terrorists'
Dear Mr. Beck,
The image you have so carelessly planted in the minds of your viewers, that regular, honest, hardworking American supporters of Dr. Ron Paul are a bunch of terrorists is not only inaccurate, but grossly negligent sir! And I take extreme umbrage with you assertions. I am a former Marine, decorated with a Good Conduct Medal, a Navy Unit Commendation, and an Overseas Deployment ribbon for my service to these United States from 1982 to 1986. Seeing as we are both forty three I think its safe to say that while I was serving my country, you were much more busy becoming a drug addict and practicing to become an alcoholic, correct?
You see, unlike you sir, I have taken the time to gather some facts to support my position. I love this country and its people more than life itself, and would at a moments notice put my life on the line once again in her defense. I took an oath to uphold our Constitution, and I take this oath very seriously.
You sir have done a grave disservice to me personally by implying that I am a terrorist because I support Dr. Ron Paul. Over my forty three years of life's trials and tribulations I have developed pretty thick skin, and am not easily bothered by someone's words. But when I heard you imply that Ron Paul supporters are "akin to terrorists" for choosing the fifth of November as the day for our fund raising donation, I have to admit that I was a highly upset!
I sincerely believe you have a right to your opinion, as do we all. But where you enjoy an assumed position of authority in Television and Radio with the potential to influence millions of viewers and listeners alike comes an even greater obligation to ensure that the opinions you espouse are well founded, and responsible ones. Is that a fair statement sir?
I work very hard to introduce my friends and family to the issues that Dr. Ron Paul supports, and believe with great sincerity that our Country is in very serious trouble and we need to elect someone to the highest office who exemplifies the kind of qualities of a Dr. Ron Paul.
I was with my wife and 18 year-old daughter when we watched you're 'Ron Paul supporters may be domestic terrorists' piece. My family knows how strongly I feel about Dr. Paul's views and I got a strange feeling in the pit of my stomach upon hearing your comments. Especially in front of my family, who trusts my decision making process in order that I provide a stable, moral example for them to follow. It was an awkward moment to say the least, I was at a loss for words. I simply gritted my teeth and supported your right to your views regardless. Mr Beck, your implication that Ron Paul supporters, like myself, are terrorists, is so far beyond the pale of reasoning that I fail to understand how you could formulate this opinion. Now I'm not naive, I know this was not some spontaneous thoughts you were sharing with your audience. I realize this was something you ran by your staff and bosses alike. You had to book the guests that would be sympathetic to your views in order to project the desired effect for your viewers. Plain and simple sir, this was a tongue in cheek political hit piece directed at Dr. Ron Paul's Presidential Campaign by casting his supporters as domestic terrorists. I find this type of guerrilla journalism very distasteful and a betrayal of America and our ideals of the sanctity of a free press that is suppose to inform its body politic, not to deceive its people as you have chosen to do. As I stated earlier, I am not naive sir, and I realize you could care less how I feel or what my opinions of you are, and that's just fine by me. But what you are doing is just plain wrong, and you will have to atone for your actions at some point in time. But until then you have lost a faithful viewer.
I know it is of little consequence to you but as a matter of principle I can no longer support a network that supplies you a platform from which you so carelessly use as a tool to spew your hate and rhetoric. I will also be boycotting all of your sponsors products until they pull their support by way of advertising dollars that go to pay you're salary. Here is the list of people and companies I will be contacting.
[link to https://www.lilly.com]
[link to https://www.ustrust.com]
[link to https://newscenter.verizon.com]
[link to https://www.geico.com]
[link to https://automobiles.honda.com]
[link to https://www.lunesta.com]
[link to https://www.garmin.com]
[link to https://www.schwabbank.com]
[link to https://www.josbank.com]
https://secure.bayer.com/bayer/cont...
[link to https://www10.americanexpress.com]
[link to https://www.llbean.com]
[link to https://www.tdameritrade.com]
https://www.progressive.com/contact...
[link to https://www.americaspower.org]
[link to https://www.lincoln.com]
[link to https://www.farmers.com]
[link to https://www.glassdoctor.com]
[link to https://www.walgreens.com]
I know people have temporary lapses in judgment, and will leave some of my personal information to assure you that I am a real person and not a "spambot" just in case you would like to reply to this e-mail, but, ummm, I'm not holding my breath though.
Respectfully Submitted,
Stephen DXXXX (omitted for here)
New Bedford, Massachusetts 02745
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/glenn.beck/
or this one.. From that sites editor.
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=113274
DEAR MR. BECK --
SO, HOW ARE THINGS ON PLANET MONGO ?
Do you enjoy the good graces of the Emperor of Evil, Ming ??
Have you not heard that Flash Gordon, Doctor Zarkhov and Dale Arden are on their way to rescue you ? Or are you cavorting with "the Mudmen" again ? Whatever you are doing, you are surely not staying grounded here in the early 21st Century, no sir, you're off in some black & white film fantasy-land !!
Why do I say that ?
Simple -- you think to lump my beloved father into the category of "domestic terrorists" -- because he likes and respects Dr. Ron Paul ?? You've got some nerve, brother.
My Dad has lived in Texas since 1961, when he was among the first of many professional men hired to work at NASA, as a public information officer. In order to obtain that position he had to pass a most thorough background check. It was, of course, the very height ( or should I say, depth ) of the Cold War. His position was not particularly sensitive in itself, but because he was to have close contact with the original astronaut recruits it was mandatory that he be properly vetted. And so the FBI -- you may know them as "the famous but incompetents" -- took down his personal information and he signed off on having them investigate his service records, going back to World War Two and including his long-standing service as an officer in the Air Force Reserve ( Intelligence ). He was hardly a "big player" in that capacity but it was part of the drill and being a good soldier and patriotic to the core, he didn't mind much.
Then the investigation hit a snag, as FBI investigations often do, it seems. You see, Mr. Beck, my father was a foundling, adopted as a wee infant from an orphange in Nebraska. In all of his life he had never known anything about his biological parents. That was the time, as I said, of greatest intensity in the Cold War. So he had to wait a while for the FBI to search for additional records in western Nebraska, the ones that would tell them what he himself had never known -- the actual identity of his birth mother. Being the thorough federal gum-shoes that they were then, those records were eventually discovered and added to his personnel file. He learned that his natural mother was a Polish immigrant, and probably someone who had fled Russian controlled Poland at about the time the Great War erupted. In any event, she had a Polish surname and she had died not long after he was born, either from the Influenza or from a difficult child birth. Or perhaps it was both, for the year he was born was 1919.
Nothing else they discovered about this poor and unfortunate woman gave them any cause for suspicion. They could not locate any connection from his long-deceased natural mother to any living relatives in Poland, or anywhere else. His father was not named in his birth records and they never discovered why that was so, but apparently it did not matter too much, because he was cleared for hire and he worked diligently for NASA until he retired. After that he completed his twenty-five years in the Air Force Reserve, which was added to his Army Air Corps service in World War Two. In that respect, my beloved father was like a lot of young men who came of age during The Great Depression, and who grew up with adoptive parents.
He did some studies, he went into the service when war broke out, and afterwards he used the G.I. Bill to get himself through college, and always working at something on the side along the way. He taught English, he remodelled houses, he bought and sold properties and he was a newspaper editor before he signed on with NASA. In other words, just a regular Joe.
By 1961, my Dad was a typical Eisenhower Republican, but I must say that he never much liked Richard M. Nixon. He never ever admitted to voting for John F. Kennedy but in all truth, I think that he did, because he admired "Jack" for at least getting into a pretty good fight when he was a naval officer. My father had to do other jobs during that War, like instructing recruits in anti-aircraft operations, and so forth. He well understood that his role in the military was to take the job given to him and to do it to the very best of his ability.
I think, in his heart, that he would have rather been behind the business end of a carbine, sticking it to some Japanese mud-cruncher or maybe loading ammunition on Army Air Corps bombers flying out of England. That's not what the brass hats had in mind for him, though, because he was a good teacher of men.
All of this prologue matters, dear Sir Beck, because it was my father who first brought Dr. Ron Paul to my attention and that was over ten years ago. At the time he was living in a town in Texas that was part of Dr. Paul's congressional district. My Dad has long been passionate about hunting, fishing, and about keeping the environment safe for wildlife and wild creatures.
He often corresponded with Dr. Paul as his Congressman, on many issues related to the environment of the natural world and to the enjoyable habits of hunters and fishermen, and recreational boaters. In all of these contacts, both Dr. Paul and his staff were extremely courteous and often went to great lengths to have my father's questions about pollution and other issues in the Gulf of Mexico answered promptly ( if possible ). So far as I can recall, my retired Air Force officer and father never gave the Paul campaigns for Congress any contributions, and there were many opportunities for him to do so.
He was just a good citizen and a constituent who was both an environmentalist and a Republican voter. He still likes the good Doctor and he's pleased that I like him too.
Now, sir, perhaps you could elucidate or illuminate for me, just what part of my beloved father's life qualifies him to wear the label of "domestic terrorist," because he both likes and respects Dr. Ron Paul of Texas ? Is it because he was a foundling and an orphan ?? Is it because a kind-hearted couple in small-town Nebraska plucked him out of an orphanage and gave him -- a nameless child -- both a name and a home ??
Is it because he studied at Northwestern University ?? Is it because he worked nights for ten years as a newsman and an editor ?? Is it because he put on the uniform of an Air Force officer about twenty-six times a year for twenty-five years ??
Is it because he rubbed elbows with Walter Cronkite and other illustrious media darlings, but only as their NASA contact and liason ? Is it because he hated George McGovern and loved Ronald Reagan ?? Is it because he was an educated man who was also good with a hammer, saw, and fishing tackle ??
Is it because he loved my late mother every day of his life, until she died, even though their marriage did not quite last that long ?? Is it because he thought Nixon was an arrogant jerk and Lyndon Johnson a swindling upstart ??
Is it because he went to work for the dreaded Salvation Army after he retired from NASA, because he was bored with putting a new roof on the house or fixing the fences around the rose garden ?? Now there's an organization worth looking into, those Salvation Army types !!! Yeah. There's your sign. After all, how is it that they're often the first ones on the scene when a hurricane hits the coast or a tornado rips some small town to pieces ?? Sounds like "domestic terrorism" to me.
You, sir, are an Idiot with a capital letter I. Would that I could take a red-hot branding iron and give you a nice mark on the white part of your derrierre, so that you could remember that you're an idiot every time you sit in "the big chair," on your radio or television programs.
My father, the workaholic, was anything but perfect but he loves this country as only the humblest of our people can love it, for he literally came from nothing, from being a child without a name to being a respected part of the original NASA team and a retired officer. He still likes to fish, and he still likes to hear Ron Paul speak on television. Well, sir, if you still think that a fellow like him would cotton to a "domestic terrorist," then I must advise you that you're never going to be invited to my birhtday party and that you'd better steer clear of my elderly Dad.
He's left-handed and he can still throw a pretty mean "haymaker".
In summary, Mr. Beck, somewhere in this great land there's a bridge without a Troll. Go and seek it out ... for that is where you belong.
And please, sir, I hope you do take it personally.
Richard C. Green, or Patriotlad
Pauliana
11-16-2007, 10:33 AM
Yes, let's all just sit quietly while the smear aritists develop the theme that we're domestic terrorists, and that Ron Paul is a racist, and an anti-Semite. Let's all just be nice and polite so we don't offend anyone. Let's just IGNORE it all, maybe it will "go away".
That's not what I said. I did not say sit down and shut up, I said win him over. Just do it with a carrot, not a stick.
Revolution9
11-16-2007, 10:33 AM
Agree - this is not going to endear us to the people we need to court. Sorry, but this is why the LP never gained any traction. It's this us vs them mentality. Ron Paul is all about coalition building, being a statesman, being a gentleman. I'd rather win him over than declare war. C'mon people.
Dream on Pauliana
Randy
this should be in the bad media reporting forum
MsDoodahs
11-16-2007, 10:36 AM
We are all INDIVIDUALS.
You must do what you believe is best.
Revolution9
11-16-2007, 10:36 AM
That's not what I said. I did not say sit down and shut up, I said win him over. Just do it with a carrot, not a stick.
An iron cudgel will fit nicely where the diseased rhetoric pours from the gaping fumarole in his thing that passes for a face but looks more like a jackass but with a smirk to its sphincter.
Randy
winston_blade
11-16-2007, 10:36 AM
Shouldn't this thread be moved to the "waste of time" section? Mods might want to take care of that.
Instead of writing letters to Glenn Beck's sponsors, why not write letters to people in Iowa and NH. Just a thought considering one option is pointless and the other one isn't.
I see both sides of this.
I get the be nice thing.
However, Mr. Beck has been making a career out of bashing a respected Presidential candidate and not talk about real issues. This potentially threatens our soveriegnhood and must not be tolerated.
I also think that if he were removed from the air, it would put all of the other stations on notice and the news media trolling would immediately cease and we could actually have a calm issues focused campaign. This is required for us to have a civilized society.
It is for this reason that I support any and all effort to remove Glenn Beck from CNN and radio based on his current show content. This is doable and we are so close to our goal that I implore you to focus on this realizeable goal.
RonPaulStreetTeam
11-16-2007, 10:37 AM
Why not use our clout to defeat these neo-con shills? Standing for liberty and exposing un-truths should never be discouraged. Fight fire with fire I say...
our clout? lol
anyways, why not try to take down the neo cons after we're done with Ron Paul.
we have to understand he will probably lose because the system is fixed and not matter how many people we get behind him we cant beat electronics.
so after this is all done and we put up our good fight and gained thousands upon thousands of like minded people then maybe we can switch focus to ending alot of the BS as an Ron paul ignited army.
we came together for one reason, won and alll goood.
or tried our hardest, lost and didnt stop there. continue don as an organized grassroorts effort to make change.
but save it for plan b really.
plan A is most important, winning.
this should be in the bad media reporting forum
no this is a grassroots action issue.
MsDoodahs
11-16-2007, 10:39 AM
Does anyone know who the publisher of Glen's new book is?
Thanks.
Pauliana
11-16-2007, 10:40 AM
Are we being equally nice to the people who give us *positive* *accurate* media coverage? How about writing to THEIR sponsors and telling them THANK YOU for supporting Jack Cafferty?
OH THATS right - THEY'RE THE SAME ONES THAT ALSO BUY AD TIME ON GLENN BECK. Both of them CNN.
torchbearer
11-16-2007, 10:43 AM
Dream on Pauliana
Randy
Glad to see ya helping out here... the last few days have been self-made hysteria by some people on this forum.
Perhaps these people don't know what got us here in the first place...
after-all we did shut down the Michigan GOP call center for a couple of days... and what happened? Mr. Saul took notice and started to at least "act" like a sane person.
We didn't get this far by being nice and complacent. You, the new people, would have never heard about Ron Paul if it wasn't for We The People making a lot of noise.
Remember that when you try to silence your fellow man out of "fear". You will never be free until you loose the fear.
Ozwest
11-16-2007, 10:47 AM
It is due precisely to the apathetic and subservient behaviour of citizens too afraid of the anitcipated chastisement of "the powers that be," that America continues sliding into the abyss.
adpierce
11-16-2007, 10:51 AM
Are we being equally nice to the people who give us *positive* *accurate* media coverage? How about writing to THEIR sponsors and telling them THANK YOU for supporting Jack Cafferty?
OH THATS right - THEY'RE THE SAME ONES THAT ALSO BUY AD TIME ON GLENN BECK. Both of them CNN.
Yeah they might both be on cnn and supported by the same advertisers, but maybe just maybe we could get sponsors to stipulate that they don't want their ads run during the glenn beck program. That would be the key to making this effort work otherwise it's a boycott on CNN sponsors as a whole which isn't what we want to happen.
davidhperry
11-16-2007, 10:55 AM
Please realize that if this boycott succeeds then it punishes CNN as well. I think we can all agree that they had some very positive coverage of the campaign lately.
torchbearer
11-16-2007, 10:56 AM
Yeah they might both be on cnn and supported by the same advertisers, but maybe just maybe we could get sponsors to stipulate that they don't want their ads run during the glenn beck program. That would be the key to making this effort work otherwise it's a boycott on CNN sponsors as a whole which isn't what we want to happen.
Personally, i think CNN should distance themselves from Glenn Beck by dropping his show... do they really support his hate speech? Ask CNN to stand behind his statements, watch them squirm.
If they support his statements, then a full boycott is in order, regardless of anything else they produce.
What Glenn Beck is doing, inciting hatred of a certain group of people, is borderline criminal if not out right criminal.
torchbearer
11-16-2007, 10:56 AM
It is due precisely to the apathetic and subservient behaviour of citizens too afraid of the anitcipated chastisement of "the powers that be," that America continues sliding into the abyss.
QFT.
Ozwest
11-16-2007, 10:59 AM
our clout? lol
anyways, why not try to take down the neo cons after we're done with Ron Paul.
we have to understand he will probably lose because the system is fixed and not matter how many people we get behind him we cant beat electronics.
so after this is all done and we put up our good fight and gained thousands upon thousands of like minded people then maybe we can switch focus to ending alot of the BS as an Ron paul ignited army.
we came together for one reason, won and alll goood.
or tried our hardest, lost and didnt stop there. continue don as an organized grassroorts effort to make change.
but save it for plan b really.
plan A is most important, winning.
It is time for you to realize that united we do indeed have enormous "clout," or are you so intimidated by the neo-cons and their apparatus that you feel resistance is useless? Why not realize that part of Plan A is fighting lies and smears "head on." Plan B, should it have to be implemented, will be much more severe in its consequences.
ButchHowdy
11-16-2007, 10:59 AM
Leave Glenn Beck Alone!
Vengence is God's business. He is so much better at it!
torchbearer
11-16-2007, 11:04 AM
Leave Glenn Beck Alone!
Vengence is God's business. He is so much better at it!
Not about vengeance, its standing up against hate speech. If he had said all black people hated america and were terrorist, would you call the outpouring of disdain Vengeance? If someone hits you and you fight back, is that vengeance of self-defense?
If you don't want to bother Glenn, don't bother him. I have, will and will always call out people who hurt others...
LibertyEagle
11-16-2007, 11:05 AM
Glad to see ya helping out here... the last few days have been self-made hysteria by some people on this forum.
Perhaps these people don't know what got us here in the first place...
after-all we did shut down the Michigan GOP call center for a couple of days... and what happened? Mr. Saul took notice and started to at least "act" like a sane person.
We didn't get this far by being nice and complacent. You, the new people, would have never heard about Ron Paul if it wasn't for We The People making a lot of noise.
Remember that when you try to silence your fellow man out of "fear". You will never be free until you loose the fear.
I am not new, nor am I afraid of jack s***. As far as the calling goes, we tried the same thing in South Carolina. However, there we didn't have to shut down anything. As it turns out, all we had to do was get someone from the campaign to actually TALK to the man. We all know the campaign wasn't the best at responding to emails and phone calls, back then.
Not EVERYTHING has to be approached as a frickin' WAR. If you draw the line in the sand now, you are leaving the vast majority of the American people on the other side of the line. That means WE WILL lose this election. Now, when we are getting a massive number of converts. Do you think that is particularly wise?
Yeah, there's hysteria alright and I see it coming from both sides. Those afraid of their shadows and those who want to turn everything into a war.
Write the sponsors, if you want to. It's up to everyone to make their own decision. But, it is not a substitute for campaigning for Dr. Paul. We aren't going to win this, just by going after the likes of Beck.
KingTheoden
11-16-2007, 11:09 AM
I called CNN, Geico, Amex, and Walgreens. I respectfully, clearly, and politely expressed my concern. It took me maybe 25 minutes total. How much time do we all piss away on the Internet each day?
I entreat all Ron Paul supporters to call advertisers and demonstrate our collective power.
Ozwest
11-16-2007, 11:09 AM
Leave Glenn Beck Alone!
Vengence is God's business. He is so much better at it!
Oh yes, everyone should be meek little lambs led into the coliseum to be devoured by the lions!
torchbearer
11-16-2007, 11:11 AM
I am not new, nor am I afraid of jack s***. As far as the calling goes, we tried the same thing in South Carolina. However, there we didn't have to shut down anything. As it turns out, all we had to do was get someone from the campaign to actually TALK to the man. We all know the campaign wasn't the best at responding to emails and phone calls, back then.
Not EVERYTHING has to be approached as a frickin' WAR. If you draw the line in the sand now, you are leaving the vast majority of the American people on the other side of the line. That means WE WILL lose this election. Now, when we are getting a massive number of converts. Do you think that is particularly wise?
Yeah, there's hysteria alright and I see it from both sides. Those afraid of their shadows and those who want to turn everything into a war.
Which do I want LibertyEagle? Fear of shadows or turn everything into a war? Sounds like George Bush Dichotomy. You are either with us or against us. Black and white, yes or no.
I don't want a war, but i definitely don't want you making my decisions for me. If you feel compelled to continue this discussion, PM me. Don't add to this crappy thread. we can discuss this in private.
conner_condor
11-16-2007, 11:12 AM
We did not get here by being quiet. For those who think so might think again. If we don't start raisng hell with the MSM when they bad talk Ron Paul or us his supporters ,they will continue to do so. As been said on here, we must show them our power and the influence we have with their sponsors for BS lies over and over again they let their media spew. No more.
They pick up the pace and we should double ours. No more of their BS. We can control the media if we control their sponsors. No doubt in my mind about that. 4 candidates they talk about all the time. Ron Paul isn't 1 of them. That is a fact.
tmg19103
11-16-2007, 11:17 AM
To the Honda contact:
Ms. Hartl:
I am a Ron Paul supporter. If you are not aware, he is running for president. He is a 10 term congressman and doctor who has delivered over 4,000 babies without killing one baby.
Dr. Paul is a true American patriot who wants to return America to constitutional principles. He is by far the MOST searched presidential candidate of either party on Google. The other week he raised $4.3 million online in ONE DAY - a record for any candidate at any time in history. He is on pace to raise $20 million this quarter, which should be tops of ANY presidential candidate.
Ron Paul's name is searched on Google almost as much as all GOP candidates combined. He is right behind Paris Hilton. His presidential website gets more hits that ANY other candidate's website (either party).
As you may be aware, Glenn Beck indicated that Ron Paul supporters were terrorists on his CNN show. This is beyond comprehension, but Beck is entitled to his warped opinion.
However, I have the right to boycott those who sponsor Beck. Realize that Honda as a Beck sponsor is listed on message boards that are read by ten of thousands of Ron Paul supporters - and they are outraged. My one email probably accounts for 50-100 Ron Paul supporters who won't bother to contact Honda, but who will boycott Honda.
And let me say that the fact that many advertisers buy time on CNN and don't know which show their ads will appear on has been discussed in front of tens of thousands of Ron Paul supporters on various forums and we DON'T CARE - you still sponsor Beck when an ad of yours appears on his show.
Thus, I will never never buy a Honda product again and I will tell ALL my friends and family to do the same because Honda sponsors a media personality who calls Americans who just want to vote for a presidential candidate "terrorists".
Sincerely,
Walgreens Media Relations
Mary Shultz, Walgreens Manager, Broadcast Media: 847-914-2961
200 Wilmot Road
Deerfield, IL 60015
(847) 914-2500
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Lexmark x2 859-232-2221
Director of Corporate Communications – Lexmark
Tim Fitzpatrick
tfitzpat@lexmark.com
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Liberty Mutual 617-357-9500
John Cusolito, Vice President, Corporate Communications – Liberty Mutual
Phone: 617-574-5512
Email: john.cusolito@libertymutual.com
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Yellowbook 1-800-YB-YELLOW
http://www.yellowbook.com/contactus...
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Lazyboy
http://www.la-z-boy.com/contactus/
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Lending Tree 800-555-8733
Allison Vail - Manager of Corporate Communications – Lending Tree
704-943-8339
allison.vail@lendingtree.com
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Edward Jones 314-515-3269
John Boul, Manager of Global Media Relations of Edward Jones
(314) 515-3265
E-mail: john.boul@edwardjones.com
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Hyundai 800-633-5151
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AARP 800-852-0879
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Schwab Bank 866-855-9102
415-636-5454 Speak to Glen Mathison or Greg Gable
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Joesph A Bank Clothiers (JoB Clothiers) x2 1-800-999-7472
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American Express x3 877-890-2639
212-640-5951 Speak to Mike O’Neal
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Cialis (Lilly Corp) x2 1-877-242-5471
317-276-2000
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Honda 800-999-1009, 310-783-2000
Ann Hartl, person in charge of advertising
“she wants to hear from us”
E-mail: ann_hartl@ahm.honda.com
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LibertyEagle
11-16-2007, 11:19 AM
Which do I want LibertyEagle? Fear of shadows or turn everything into a war? Sounds like George Bush Dichotomy. You are either with us or against us. Black and white, yes or no.
I don't want a war, but i definitely don't want you making my decisions for me. If you feel compelled to continue this discussion, PM me. Don't add to this crappy thread. we can discuss this in private.
Perhaps you should have considered THAT, before you responded. I'm not putting you in ANY camp, Torch. If you want to do that, by all means, go for it. Nor, do I care if you want to spend your time writing letters to Beck's sponsors. Heck, I'll probably write 1 or 2 too. My concern is only that with each attack, we all seem to get more and more off our focus of promoting Paul amongst all those who don't know about him. This is only the beginning of the attacks. They are going to get much more frequent and much dirtier. If we're flipping out NOW, I wonder how it's going to be in a month or so. That's my only concern.
I'm not your enemy, Torch. Chill.
Apauled
11-16-2007, 11:23 AM
Realize that we are only going to be attacked more and more as we "GAIN" popularity, as all do. Believe me, what it first does is raise the attention of his name (better than no press at all! perhaps). Second and most importantlyyou cannot fool the people all of the time, and will perform thei own due-dilligence. And finally, remember what Gahandi said about first they laugh at you, then they ridicule, then you win!
P.S. every negative has a positive and vice - versa
torchbearer
11-16-2007, 11:24 AM
Perhaps you should have considered THAT, before you responded. I'm not putting you in ANY camp, Torch. If you want to do that, by all means, go for it. Nor, do I care if you want to spend your time writing letters to Beck's sponsors. Heck, I'll probably write 1 or 2 too. My concern is only that with each attack, we all seem to get more and more off our focus of promoting Paul amongst all those who don't know about him. This is only the beginning of the attacks. They are going to get much more frequent and much dirtier. If we're flipping out NOW, I wonder how it's going to be in a month or so. That's my only concern.
I agree 100% with your concern, people are flipping out over everything... I just get tired of this crap.
I personally, right now, can't do anything but cringe in pain all day in my bedroom because of health issues....this is the most I can do. For anyone who slams me for it... i take offense.
The assumption that I'm distracted and wasting my time is what really insults me the most.
We agree that this is a problem... we should also agree that everyone will deal with it in there own way... I trust you will do what you feel is best for the campaign, and you should have the same trust in me.
That's not what I said. I did not say sit down and shut up, I said win him over. Just do it with a carrot, not a stick.
I appreciate the sentiment, but you're naive to Glenn Beck's intentions. He is not going to be won over. There is no coherent way for a commentator like that to suddenly see the light and start telling his viewers that we should get out of Iraq, and everywhere else in the world, for that matter. If we win this thing, it is certainly not going to be with the help of the Glenn Becks of this country.
Ozwest
11-16-2007, 11:27 AM
I am not new, nor am I afraid of jack s***. As far as the calling goes, we tried the same thing in South Carolina. However, there we didn't have to shut down anything. As it turns out, all we had to do was get someone from the campaign to actually TALK to the man. We all know the campaign wasn't the best at responding to emails and phone calls, back then.
Not EVERYTHING has to be approached as a frickin' WAR. If you draw the line in the sand now, you are leaving the vast majority of the American people on the other side of the line. That means WE WILL lose this election. Now, when we are getting a massive number of converts. Do you think that is particularly wise?
Yeah, there's hysteria alright and I see it coming from both sides. Those afraid of their shadows and those who want to turn everything into a war.
Write the sponsors, if you want to. It's up to everyone to make their own decision. But, it is not a substitute for campaigning for Dr. Paul. We aren't going to win this, just by going after the likes of Beck.
The campaign should not bother responding to this buffoon, as Mr. Beck is not worthy of cleaning Dr. Pauls Nikes... On the other hand, the grassroots are capable of banning this piece of excrement and the same from the airwaves of a corrupt media... Is it not those who oppose the exposing of these "rock spiders" that are "afraid of their shadows?"
Yes, let's all just sit quietly while the smear aritists develop the theme that we're domestic terrorists, and that Ron Paul is a racist, and an anti-Semite. Let's all just be nice and polite so we don't offend anyone. Let's just IGNORE it all, maybe it will "go away".
It will go away if we can get Dr. Paul elected. It will set a precedent for a new consciousness. Fighting ignorance can be a lifelong mission, but we're on a short timetable to get Dr. Paul elected.
But you have to believe in the elect ability of Dr. Paul, the necessity of a focused grassroots campaign and the power to change more than sponsorship of a radio show. We have to believe in ourselves.
We didn't get this far by being nice and complacent. You, the new people, would have never heard about Ron Paul if it wasn't for We The People making a lot of noise.
Remember that when you try to silence your fellow man out of "fear". You will never be free until you loose the fear.
No one here is preaching apathy or complacency. What I am getting is, "if you're mad at Glenn, campaign harder". Use Glenn's ignorance as a motivator, not a primary or secondary target.
The campaign may have to evolve. It goes through different phases, and the tactics of 4 or 6 months ago may not be what is needed today. It's no longer a minor fringe campaign, we're on the verge of going mainstream, and that may require a different approach to be successful. The positive media attention has been coming, but unless we stuff the ballot box, it's all for naught.
I appreciate the sentiment, but you're naive to Glenn Beck's intentions. He is not going to be won over. There is no coherent way for a commentator like that to suddenly see the light and start telling his viewers that we should get out of Iraq, and everywhere else in the world, for that matter. If we win this thing, it is certainly not going to be with the help of the Glenn Becks of this country.
What if Glenn gets fired, and they hire someone even more vile and ignorant?
You have to change the public perception, and you have to change the system. Fighting a foot soldier of the neocons is not going to win the war.
To each their own, but logic just doesn't add up to the attack mentality.
torchbearer
11-16-2007, 11:43 AM
No one here is preaching apathy or complacency. What I am getting is, "if you're mad at Glenn, campaign harder". Use Glenn's ignorance as a motivator, not a primary or secondary target.
The campaign may have to evolve. It goes through different phases, and the tactics of 4 or 6 months ago may not be what is needed today. It's no longer a minor fringe campaign, we're on the verge of going mainstream, and that may require a different approach to be successful. The positive media attention has been coming, but unless we stuff the ballot box, it's all for naught.
A very reasonable argument, I concede that things are different now...
Ozwest
11-16-2007, 11:48 AM
What if Glenn gets fired, and they hire someone even more vile and ignorant?
You have to change the public perception, and you have to change the system. Fighting a foot soldier of the neocons is not going to win the war.
To each their own, but logic just doesn't add up to the attack mentality.
Then we push for his removal. Should we give up the fight for this reason? Just put it in the too hard basket. That is a illogical and defeatest attitude,
Then we push for his removal. Should we give up the fight for this reason? Just put it in the too hard basket. That is a illogical and defeatest attitude,
Not "put it in the too hard basket".
How about putting it in the "diminishing returns basket"?
There is no guarantee of success, no tangible return to Dr. Paul's campaign, and no assurances that it won't make things worse, possibly with an even more stupid host of the show.
If that's worth investing in, because you don't like being called names, best of luck.
I've got thicker skin than that, and my eyes on a bigger prize.
My email to La-Z-Boy -
Dear La-Z-Boy -
I love my La-Z-Boy recliners. I have 3 of them. They are so comfortable that I actually sleep in one of them and have for many years.
I've vowed that I would never buy another recliner unless it was a La-Z-Boy.
I am also a fan of Dr. Ron Paul.
I understand that La-Z-Boy is a sponsor of Glenn Beck who recently likened me to a terrorist on his television show because of my support of Dr. Paul for president.
There isn't much I can do about Glenn Beck, but I was hoping that you as a sponsor might be able to relay the message to Glenn that your customers are not at all pleased with being referred to as terrorists.
I would never boycott your company. I just couldn't. I love your product far too much.
I just hope that I don’t lose any sleep over this.
Best regards,
Dary
Jacksonville, FL
jamesmadison
11-16-2007, 11:56 AM
What if Glenn gets fired, and they hire someone even more vile and ignorant?
You have to change the public perception, and you have to change the system. Fighting a foot soldier of the neocons is not going to win the war.
To each their own, but logic just doesn't add up to the attack mentality.
If Glenn was fired they would have to justify his firing with some reason. If they were to present his hateful actions as evidence that he does not represent america, that is a demagogue and a stupid one at that - then they have grounds to fire him. Assume this happened they have all the reason in the world to hire someone who is nothing like glenn beck, let alone much worse.
It's just an illogical proposition.
What if Glenn gets fired, and they hire someone even more vile and ignorant?
You have to change the public perception, and you have to change the system. Fighting a foot soldier of the neocons is not going to win the war.
To each their own, but logic just doesn't add up to the attack mentality.
I think we've seen the how the smear campaigns operate, time and time again. There are lessons to be learned there. There was McCain in 2000, Kerry in 2004. Those were orchestrated, deliberate smear *machines* at work. And did they achieve their objective? You bet.
So, while I am supportive of being respectful, and above all *rational* and not lowering oneself to smearing someone in return, I think we have to be aggressive in actively countering the attack machine as it gears up, because it *does* work, and if we don't understand how and where it operates, we're going to get bulldozed by it. That is not a conspiracy theory, that's politics, at least how it exists today.
We can't counter it by just relying on the public to see through the lies on their own. We have to counter it with a relentless campain of truth.
jamesmadison
11-16-2007, 11:58 AM
Not "put it in the too hard basket".
How about putting it in the "diminishing returns basket"?
There is no guarantee of success, no tangible return to Dr. Paul's campaign, and no assurances that it won't make things worse, possibly with an even more stupid host of the show.
If that's worth investing in, because you don't like being called names, best of luck.
I've got thicker skin than that, and my eyes on a bigger prize.
With your logic we can justify his removal with the theory that "someone who is a ron paul supporter may be put in place of glenn beck.' Then, we have all the reason in the world, to support this.
Seriously. Let people do whatever they want and stop acting like a child who didn't get a lollypop.
Look folks, if you could convince me that fighting these smear attacks will gain us votes in the next 50 days, I would be standing on the front line, hammering away emails with the best of you.
But I want Dr. Paul elected before I want Glenn Beck fired. And I don't see how getting Beck fired, even in 2 weeks, is going to positively and meaningfully impact us at the ballot box.
This recent posting by Bradley in the News forum is exactly what I am talking about. The campaign cannot win if it stays small. And keeping us militant and distracted is a good way to prevent viral growth.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=37963
jamesmadison
11-16-2007, 12:03 PM
Look folks, if you could convince me that fighting these smear attacks will gain us votes in the next 50 days, I would be standing on the front line, hammering away emails with the best of you.
But I want Dr. Paul elected before I want Glenn Beck fired. And I don't see how getting Beck fired, even in 2 weeks, is going to positively and meaningfully impact us at the ballot box.
This recent posting by Bradley in the News forum is exactly what I am talking about. The campaign cannot win if it stays small. And keeping us militant and distracted is a good way to prevent viral growth.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=37963
Your theory is that sending a few emails to advertisers of glenn beck will somehow prevent the campaign from achieving viral growth. There is no evidence of this, and no evidence that a few emails by certain supporters will distract or keep the campaign militant. The fact is if people want to voice their opinion to sponsors of a moron neocon on TV that is their choice. If people want to use this as a recruitment tool for others who think Glenn Beck is a moron, then they may attract people to the Ron Paul campaign because of a common enemy.
I think you are wasting your own time, personally.
Ozwest
11-16-2007, 12:08 PM
Not "put it in the too hard basket".
How about putting it in the "diminishing returns basket"?
There is no guarantee of success, no tangible return to Dr. Paul's campaign, and no assurances that it won't make things worse, possibly with an even more stupid host of the show.
If that's worth investing in, because you don't like being called names, best of luck.
I've got thicker skin than that, and my eyes on a bigger prize.
I disagree that there only "diminishing returns" when exposing "hit pieces." Firstly, we are only expressing our rights to free speech, and this should never be discouraged, when done in a thoughtful and constructive manner, and secondly, if those in the media know they will be "held to the fire" when speaking or writing in half-truths and slanderously, they are encouraged to follow more ethical journalistic principles.
paulitics
11-16-2007, 12:14 PM
Jesse Benton is on AJ talking about this now.
MsDoodahs
11-16-2007, 02:24 PM
What was said about it? Update us?
Revolution9
11-16-2007, 02:31 PM
our clout? lol
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Again with the smarm.. Report me again for calling you out on it. and then get the eff out on the streets and stop wasting your time trying to stop others doing what they will do regardless of your spew.
ye akin to a pain in the ass pal.
Randy
Revolution9
11-16-2007, 02:34 PM
What if Glenn gets fired, and they hire someone even more vile and ignorant?
The thought processes of some here are quite baffling. My logic leads me to the exact opposite conclusion EVERY time I run the scenario through the reality simulacra circuitry.
Randy
torchbearer
11-16-2007, 02:38 PM
Jesse Benton is on AJ talking about this now.
Please recap what was said.
Electric Church
11-16-2007, 02:39 PM
Yeh, I'm so distracted by it I can't function anymore. Don't click on the OP link, it will destroy the entire campaign.
Or you could take the minutes you waste posting on this forum, which is also a distraction, and voice your opinion if you so choose.
Why act like you are someone's guardian? You have no authority over another person's decisions. If people are compelled to write his sponsors, who are you to tell them not to? Who made you God?
Right on
Revolution9
11-16-2007, 02:44 PM
Look folks, if you could convince me that fighting these smear attacks will gain us votes in the next 50 days, I would be standing on the front line, hammering away emails with the best of you.
But I want Dr. Paul elected before I want Glenn Beck fired. And I don't see how getting Beck fired, even in 2 weeks, is going to positively and meaningfully impact us at the ballot box.
This recent posting by Bradley in the News forum is exactly what I am talking about. The campaign cannot win if it stays small. And keeping us militant and distracted is a good way to prevent viral growth.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=37963
Mindsets like this will lose the gambit. You have a Mack 18 wheeeler loaded with smear coming down the highwway striaght at the campaign. You want to ignore it. The others want to put the brakes on it before it starts and let them know there will be consequences. So.. we can just stand in the road and get creamed or let the others who see the 18 wheeler coming try to set its momentum dead flat into a cement wall or down the gulley. Yer caterwauling and moaning about it only underscores your level of misunderstanding of the nature of the arrogant beast we are dealing with. It does not think like a human yet you ascribe and make humanistic judgements about its behavior. It is more akin to a serial killing psychopath with no remorse.
As well I see all these time/value judgements as though this issue takes up all our time.. Well guess what.. I have written about a dozen posts on this, read about twenty letters and articles on it nd all these posts.. Total time..not more than forty five minutes.. So all you trying to pull the timewasters gambit can tuck that back in your diapers with the rest of your crap that you whip out when your argyment is not cogent and you seek to place guilt instead of acknowledging your logical loss in the debate.
Randy
Regards
Randy
Electric Church
11-16-2007, 02:45 PM
Yes, let's all just sit quietly while the smear aritists develop the theme that we're domestic terrorists, and that Ron Paul is a racist, and an anti-Semite. Let's all just be nice and polite so we don't offend anyone. Let's just IGNORE it all, maybe it will "go away".
yes... you don't want to scare off potential Ron Paul supporters for defending yourself from the accusations of being in bed with islamo-fascist and a terrorists do ya?
luvu4ia
11-16-2007, 02:48 PM
To try to convince the American people that a "money bomb" is some sort of message to reek havoc in our streets is about as insane as that guy who wants to shoot people for wearing animal fur. People, South Park was right, "our imaginations ARE out of control."
I understand the frustration, but not the approach. Clearly the neo-Cons and other such naysayers are just jealous they didn't think of Freedom first.
Oh wait, they didn't! lol.
And I love Obama, but he is too green. They have already shaken him. Paul is doing what Obama can only dream of today. I have made it my mission to educate as many people that I can. Where I live, Jackson, MS, there is a high concentration of African-Americans. Mississippi counts!
I would love to see national campaigns in inner cities of OPEN PRIMARY STATES. The people need to know that they can register to vote and are OPEN to pick their PRIMARY candidate.
Any thoughts!
luvu4ia
11-16-2007, 02:54 PM
Hello,
If you are emailing all your former contacts in the interest of saving America from itself and you get a response like: "Please remove me from your contact list; this is my personal email and I don't respond to chain letters."
Please do as the individual asks and respond with something to the effect of what I have pasted below. Please, please, please feel free to use the letter AS IT IS TYPED or with small alterations to fit the individual you are contacting.
Also, Please inform them of this blatant and cruel smear campaign against America. Remind them that America was DEFINED by ITS FREEDOM.
Do you have the audacity of hope?
Celeste
Jackson, MS
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the response I sent:
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I will remove you from my contact list. But, I want to give you a bit of advice. This is not a chain letter, I only ask that the ideas of freedom expressed herein be treated as one and discussed among intelligent people. I sent that letter because I believe you - whom I do not know - have a right to answers and opinions.
Why do people pass along those idiotic chain letters? I abhor them myself. Clearly people pass them on out of fear. But, what are we afraid of? Surely, if is not fear itself, but Freedom. We, for some reason, are afraid to make our own choices. For some reason, we think the Cooperation of America knows what is best for its lowly middle-class workers. The American citizen has been fooled into thinking that IT has rights. Believe me, the ruling/reigning caste/class doesn't care for you anymore than you care about what I had for breakfast today.
Did you go to a big state school for college? Did you feel like 'just a number'. Well, you are already just a number to this American Cooperation. We are the cattle. The same tag you put in your dog - an animal - will be put into you - tagged like an animal. And like cows we are being slaughtered. And it's okay if you want to stand by and watch. It is your freewill to do so. I would never attempt to take that away from you.
If you have a family, If you don't want to see that family locked in already existing FEMA camps (set up after hurricane katrina), and you want your children to taste the sweet freedoms that are America, then I suggest you engage in meaningful conversation before you ban people from your conversation. If God wanted us not to listen, he wouldn't have given us ears. If God wanted us not to think, we would never have been constructed with such magnificent brains they we ourselves do not fully understand.
I understand if you want to continue to fear your God-given freedoms upon this beautiful earth and will trouble you no more. My words are better spent on those who chose to fight for your right to surrender all freedoms to the government.
I had hoped all contact could be positive. And it was your right to rain on that parade.
Good luck with the Occupation of America,
Hope my side wins.
People are praying for you.
Celeste
Jackson, MS
A Real Person with Real Concerns
Join Me: www.myspace.com/luvu4ia
You have been deleted from my contact list.
paulitics
11-16-2007, 02:59 PM
This is more significant than simply a smear attack. The govt is creating laws, and setting up commities to investigate what they consider to be "potential home grown terrorirsts". Constitutionalists, gun right activists, and home schoolers are just a few of those that Fema considers to fit this criteria.
If the media is making a concerted effort to imply RP supporters, libertarians, federal reserve protesters, 911 official conspiracy doubters, or anti war activists, and other political dissenters are such than we are heading down a road to hell.
courtney
11-16-2007, 03:15 PM
Folks, I think we're missing the entire point here. And all I ask is that you guys hear me out before you attempt to lynch me for being a heretic.
This is not a Glenn Beck issue. This is a Ron Paul (the man himself) issue. We cannot fix "it," only Ron Paul can. Allow me to explain.
Glenn Beck was correct: the Ron Paul movement comprises a number of high profile white supremacists as well as high-profile white supremacist groups, all of which are active in one way or another on Paul's behalf.
Of course, freedom, for which it is that Paul ostensibly stands for, allows us all to think and believe the way in which we all individually desire -- regardless of belief. However, ask yourselves, would you accept a donation to your campaign from Osama bin Laden? Would you accept a donation from Adolf Hitler? Would Ron Paul? And as for that last question, we simply don't know because Paul stubbornly refuses to address this issue -- an issue that is threatening to sink the entire movement.
The reason these questions are relevant is because the various Ku Klux Klan organisations are domestic terror organisations, plain and simple. This country was once heavily influenced by groups such as these, and the results were not pretty.
The sole purpose of these groups is to usher in a new society based on white supremacy, along with these particular groups' "values." These "values" that these groups hold dear are NOT freedom and liberty based At All. In fact, if you're *****, or if you're racially "inferior," or else interracially married, or else simply disagree with their brand of Christianity, etc., YOU will be a second, or else third class citizen -- if you're tolerated at all.
This is antithetical to what I have assumed Dr. Paul to stand for, which is why I donated $2300.00 to his campaign. However, as Glenn Beck correctly points out, these "fringe" groups ARE NOT representative of Freedom and Liberty -- they certainly don't subscribe to a Libertarian Live and Let Live philosophy.
And lastly, yes, the very letters "KKK" represents domestic terror. There was a time in this country's history where the KKK was allowed to run free. The result was wide-spread institutional intimidation of those who didn't fit their mold, and lynchings, i.e., rapes, murders, whippings, and kidnappings, etc: Domestic Terrorism.
So, Glenn Beck is right on. Unfortunately, not a single one of you here can repair the damage that is being done due to Dr. Paul's steadfast refusal to tackle this issue head-on. It is ultimately His issue, and he'll have to address it Himself -- no amount of bitching and complaining to Glenn beck's sponsors is going to fix what amounts to a self-inflicted wound by the campaign.
So, as all of you are free to blast off emails to everyone from God on down, it might be more productive to focus on Ground Zero: the campaign itself.
These "Nazi" stories (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=37385) aren't going away because there's enough there for a rational person to question. Only Ron Paul can make it go away....
Mr. White
11-16-2007, 03:20 PM
Folks, I think we're missing the entire point here. And all I ask is that you guys hear me out before you attempt to lynch me for being a heretic.
This is not a Glenn Beck issue. This is a Ron Paul (the man himself) issue. We cannot fix "it," only Ron Paul can. Allow me to explain.
Glenn Beck was correct: the Ron Paul movement comprises a number of high profile white supremacists as well as high-profile white supremacist groups, all of which are active in one way or another on Paul's behalf.
Of course, freedom, for which it is that Paul ostensibly stands for, allows us all to think and believe the way in which we all individually desire -- regardless of belief. However, ask yourselves, would you accept a donation to your campaign from Osama bin Laden? Would you accept a donation from Adolf Hitler? Would Ron Paul? And as for that last question, we simply don't know because Paul stubbornly refuses address this issue -- an issue that is threatening to sink the entire movement.
The reason these questions are relevant is because the various Ku Klux Klan organisations are domestic terror organisations, plain and simple. This country was once heavily influenced by groups such as these, and the results were not pretty.
The sole purpose of these groups is to usher in a new society based on white supremacy, along with these particular groups' "values." These "values" that these groups hold dear are NOT freedom and liberty based At All. In fact, if you're *****, or if you're racially "inferior," or else interracially married, or else simply disagree with their brand of Christianity, etc., YOU will be a second, or else third class citizen -- if you're tolerated at all.
This is antithetical to what I have assumed Dr. Paul to stand for, which is why I donated $2300.00 to his campaign. However, as Glenn Beck correctly points out, these "fringe" groups ARE NOT representative of Freedom and Liberty -- they certainly don't subscribe to a Libertarian Live and Let Live philosophy.
And lastly, yes, the very letters "KKK" represents domestic terror. There was a time in this country's history where the KKK was allowed to run free. The result was wide-spread institutional intimidation of those who didn't fit their mold, and lynchings, i.e., rapes, murders, whippings, and kidnappings, etc: Domestic Terrorism.
So, Glenn Beck is right on. Unfortunately, not a single one of you here can repair the damage that is being done due to Dr. Paul's steadfast refusal to tackle this issue head-on. It is ultimately His issue, and he'll have to address it Himself -- no amount of bitching and complaining to Glenn beck's sponsors is going to fix what amounts to a self-inflicted wound by the campaign.
So, as all of you are free to blast off emails to everyone from God on down, it might be more productive to focus on Ground Zero: the campaign itself.
These "Nazi" stories (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=37385) aren't going away because there's enough there for a rational person to question. Only Ron Paul can make it go away....
Bingo.
paulitics
11-16-2007, 03:22 PM
Folks, I think we're missing the entire point here. And all I ask is that you guys hear me out before you attempt to lynch me for being a heretic.
This is not a Glenn Beck issue. This is a Ron Paul (the man himself) issue. We cannot fix "it," only Ron Paul can. Allow me to explain.
Glenn Beck was correct: the Ron Paul movement comprises a number of high profile white supremacists as well as high-profile white supremacist groups, all of which are active in one way or another on Paul's behalf.
Of course, freedom, for which it is that Paul ostensibly stands for, allows us all to think and believe the way in which we all individually desire -- regardless of belief. However, ask yourselves, would you accept a donation to your campaign from Osama bin Laden? Would you accept a donation from Adolf Hitler? Would Ron Paul? And as for that last question, we simply don't know because Paul stubbornly refuses address this issue -- an issue that is threatening to sink the entire movement.
The reason these questions are relevant is because the various Ku Klux Klan organisations are domestic terror organisations, plain and simple. This country was once heavily influenced by groups such as these, and the results were not pretty.
The sole purpose of these groups is to usher in a new society based on white supremacy, along with these particular groups' "values." These "values" that these groups hold dear are NOT freedom and liberty based At All. In fact, if you're *****, or if you're racially "inferior," or else interracially married, or else simply disagree with their brand of Christianity, etc., YOU will be a second, or else third class citizen -- if you're tolerated at all.
This is antithetical to what I have assumed Dr. Paul to stand for, which is why I donated $2300.00 to his campaign. However, as Glenn Beck correctly points out, these "fringe" groups ARE NOT representative of Freedom and Liberty -- they certainly don't subscribe to a Libertarian Live and Let Live philosophy.
And lastly, yes, the very letters "KKK" represents domestic terror. There was a time in this country's history where the KKK was allowed to run free. The result was wide-spread institutional intimidation of those who didn't fit their mold, and lynchings, i.e., rapes, murders, whippings, and kidnappings, etc: Domestic Terrorism.
So, Glenn Beck is right on. Unfortunately, not a single one of you here can repair the damage that is being done due to Dr. Paul's steadfast refusal to tackle this issue head-on. It is ultimately His issue, and he'll have to address it Himself -- no amount of bitching and complaining to Glenn beck's sponsors is going to fix what amounts to a self-inflicted wound by the campaign.
So, as all of you are free to blast off emails to everyone from God on down, it might be more productive to focus on Ground Zero: the campaign itself.
These "Nazi" stories (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=37385) aren't going away because there's enough there for a rational person to question. Only Ron Paul can make it go away....
Glenn Beck was not talking about the KKK. He was implying all Ron Paul supporters are potential terrorists because we chose "Guy Falkes" day, who he calls a "Timothy McVeigh of England", to raise money. He implies that libertarians are aiding and abetting Islamo fascists and may be taking "revolution" and "money bomb's" too literally and thus are a threat to national security. This is disconcerting considering all of the "homegrown terorism" laws being passed right now.
ConstitutionGal
11-16-2007, 03:23 PM
It won't matter what Dr. Paul says or does in regards to this matter. The media, the ADL and AIPAC are going to keep digging until they can find ANYTHING they can twist or construe to damage the Paul campaign. LaRaza (The Race) is a much larger organization than any KKK remnants )they are much more radical AND they advocate actually taking over certain parts of OUR country) and they are supporting both Hillary and Obama (Hillary actually spoke to their organization a month or so ago) and, yet, you don't see ANY reporting about that in the MSM unless it's a fluff piece congratulating those candidates for their 'diversity'.
now then, IMHO, Dr. Paul or the campaign does need to address this issue head on but, again IMHO, they need to turn the tables on those who are attempting to smear him due to people with certain beliefs supporting him. It CAN be done IF he can get the message actually in the media.
Ozwest
11-16-2007, 03:32 PM
courtney, When asked, Ron Paul will address the issues we have been discussing. To reply to a second rate shill like Glenn Beck is is beneath Dr. Pauls dignity and only rewards gutter journalism... Unfortunately, too many of Mr. Becks brain dead listeners will accept him at his word, and it is our responsibility to ensure he is not rewarded for his smears of the good Doctor, but exposed and punished for being the charleton he is.
courtney
11-16-2007, 03:47 PM
paulitics,
I respectfully disagree (mostly anyway). Glenn Beck Did Not say, or imply, that "All" of Ron Paul's supporters are terrorists. In fact, go back and review the episode (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg8M2JBIoqo) in question , he is emphasizing the "fringe" element that has taken root within the organisation. I think we all realise that there are "fringe" elements taking hold in the movement as well, and yes, many of them resemble McVeigh in thought, for better or for worse.
I will agree that Beck's guests slammed the movement pretty hard, including some "libertarian sites like Lewrockwell," but they offered no real evidence to back up their claims. Nor did they give examples of any other "libertarian" site. However, with that said, perhaps the Lewrockwell blog question is best answered by Lew Rockwell himself -- and on Beck's program.
So, yes, I agree, Glenn Beck did invite two shills to his program. That is true, and deserves some consideration. However, if you listen to what Glenn Beck says personally, he does not slam "all" of Ron Paul's supporters, nor does he, or any other guest, call Ron Paul a "terrorist," which claim has decidedly gone viral despite a complete lack of evidence. Some say it was implied, but again, if you listen to Beck closely, I think you'll find that it was not his intent to label all of us "terrorists" at all.
But then again, whatever the case may be, only Paul can fix this. I'm happy to hear that he may end up as a guest on Beck's program, which has the potential to go a long way in patching up some damage to the campaign. However, I still maintain that that is not enough. These "Nazi" correlations to the campaign are gaining steam -- and it is not a conspiracy of the CFR, dammit! :eek:
There's something in the house that smells. And it's up to Dr. Paul to take out the trash, or else allow it to stay....
Revolution9
11-16-2007, 03:52 PM
This is more significant than simply a smear attack. The govt is creating laws, and setting up commities to investigate what they consider to be "potential home grown terrorirsts". Constitutionalists, gun right activists, and home schoolers are just a few of those that Fema considers to fit this criteria.
If the media is making a concerted effort to imply RP supporters, libertarians, federal reserve protesters, 911 official conspiracy doubters, or anti war activists, and other political dissenters are such than we are heading down a road to hell.
And this roght here is why the hue and cry must go up in multiple mass driven momentum. What are they gonna do... Round up and jail tens of thousands.. Whereas if we follow the no shit disturbing rule then those few who are doing what their conscience says without fear get the jackboot spotlight. Then all you flubber dubbers can whip out your "I told you so" gambit..
Beck should be reomoved and he will revert to a life chained inside a bottle of liquopr which will get cheaper and cheaper with each passing week with no paycheque. He may have to resort to actually finding a job instead of performing fellatio on the PTB out of one side of his mouth while speaking from his rectum simultaneously for his treats and doggie bone.
randy
courtney
11-16-2007, 03:54 PM
courtney, When asked, Ron Paul will address the issues we have been discussing. To reply to a second rate shill like Glenn Beck is is beneath Dr. Pauls dignity and only rewards gutter journalism... Unfortunately, too many of Mr. Becks brain dead listeners will accept him at his word, and it is our responsibility to ensure he is not rewarded for his smears of the good Doctor, but exposed and punished for being the charleton he is.
If it were only Glenn Beck questioning elements from within the movement, then I wouldn't be concerned. However, I have read enough on these forums, and heard enough on Ron Paul Radio to know that the concerns of some are not altogether unfounded.
Articles are appearing with more frequency that focus on the fringe elements that have taken root within the movement. This is not due to some conspiracy to discredit Paul. It's the normal course of politics, and frankly, Ron Paul knows damned well that there are questions being asked as Jesse Benton has previously noted.
The problem is that Paul apparently hopes these issues will just disappear on their own. Well, I'm here to tell you that these issues Will Not just go away, and in fact, Ron Paul needs to address these issues soon. He is well aware of what's brewing out here....
MsDoodahs
11-16-2007, 04:00 PM
I detest the idea of "thought crimes."
I detest attempts at "thought CONTROL," too.
Frankly, I don't care what my fellow Ron Paul supporters believe.
I believe that it is my responsibility to defend their right to believe as they choose.
That's one of the reasons I support Ron Paul.
MsDoodahs
11-16-2007, 04:02 PM
fringe elements that have taken root within the movement. .
That is downright offensive.
Flash
11-16-2007, 04:02 PM
Folks, I think we're missing the entire point here. And all I ask is that you guys hear me out before you attempt to lynch me for being a heretic.
This is not a Glenn Beck issue. This is a Ron Paul (the man himself) issue. We cannot fix "it," only Ron Paul can. Allow me to explain.
Glenn Beck was correct: the Ron Paul movement comprises a number of high profile white supremacists as well as high-profile white supremacist groups, all of which are active in one way or another on Paul's behalf.
Of course, freedom, for which it is that Paul ostensibly stands for, allows us all to think and believe the way in which we all individually desire -- regardless of belief. However, ask yourselves, would you accept a donation to your campaign from Osama bin Laden? Would you accept a donation from Adolf Hitler? Would Ron Paul? And as for that last question, we simply don't know because Paul stubbornly refuses to address this issue -- an issue that is threatening to sink the entire movement.
The reason these questions are relevant is because the various Ku Klux Klan organisations are domestic terror organisations, plain and simple. This country was once heavily influenced by groups such as these, and the results were not pretty.
The sole purpose of these groups is to usher in a new society based on white supremacy, along with these particular groups' "values." These "values" that these groups hold dear are NOT freedom and liberty based At All. In fact, if you're *****, or if you're racially "inferior," or else interracially married, or else simply disagree with their brand of Christianity, etc., YOU will be a second, or else third class citizen -- if you're tolerated at all.
This is antithetical to what I have assumed Dr. Paul to stand for, which is why I donated $2300.00 to his campaign. However, as Glenn Beck correctly points out, these "fringe" groups ARE NOT representative of Freedom and Liberty -- they certainly don't subscribe to a Libertarian Live and Let Live philosophy.
And lastly, yes, the very letters "KKK" represents domestic terror. There was a time in this country's history where the KKK was allowed to run free. The result was wide-spread institutional intimidation of those who didn't fit their mold, and lynchings, i.e., rapes, murders, whippings, and kidnappings, etc: Domestic Terrorism.
So, Glenn Beck is right on. Unfortunately, not a single one of you here can repair the damage that is being done due to Dr. Paul's steadfast refusal to tackle this issue head-on. It is ultimately His issue, and he'll have to address it Himself -- no amount of bitching and complaining to Glenn beck's sponsors is going to fix what amounts to a self-inflicted wound by the campaign.
So, as all of you are free to blast off emails to everyone from God on down, it might be more productive to focus on Ground Zero: the campaign itself.
These "Nazi" stories (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=37385) aren't going away because there's enough there for a rational person to question. Only Ron Paul can make it go away....
NO Courtney. I don't think you saw the show. He didn't even mention 'white supremacist'. and the Neo-Nazis that support RP are few.
A lot of those Neo-Nazis support other candidates like Thompson.
courtney
11-16-2007, 04:09 PM
NO Courtney. You didn't even watch the show, I watched it. He didn't even mention 'white supreamcist'. and the Neo-Nazis that support RP are few, and you're making a big deal out of it and torlling.
And FYI, a lot of those Neo-Nazis support other candidates like Thompson.
Flash,
Ok, I'll take your word for it. I did not watch the show, and I'm "torling."
Glad we could clear that up....
Flash
11-16-2007, 04:09 PM
Flash,
Ok, I'll take your word for it. I did not watch the show, and I'm "torling."
Glad we could clear that up....
Where did Glenn Beck called us white supremacists? He didn't. People are trying to make a big deal out of something that its not. If you really want Ron Paul to publically call Nazis evil and give back all donations, it'll make bigger headlines with the media asking why nazis were supporting him in the first place. So far only smaller blogs talked about White supreamcists and Ron Paul, CNN and MSNBC have ignored it and rightfully so. Just as they would ignore Black Panthers supporting Obama (As they should). It won't do any good. Ignoring it is the best solution.
And yeah there are people who reply to RP Youtube videos and repeatedly ask "Why do Neo-Nazis support Ron Paul?" to try to create bad press or troll around. Its a common thing that I have found.
courtney
11-16-2007, 04:14 PM
That is downright offensive.
I don't mean to offend, I only intend to offer a counter-view to the orthodoxy that seems to have taken root amongst many Paul supporters.
I believe bin Laden is Fringe, just as I believe nut-case, neo-nazi white supremacists are fringe, although that's decidedly not always been the case in our great country....
We're better off that they're "fringe" as well -- In my judgment, that is -- simply because what they stand for is antithetical to freedom and liberty.
And all lot of us think it's time for Dr. Paul to make that distinction.
MsDoodahs
11-16-2007, 04:21 PM
I don't mean to offend, I only intend to offer a counter-view to the orthodoxy that seems to have taken root amongst many Paul supporters.
I believe bin Laden is Fringe, just as I believe nut-case, neo-nazi white supremacists are fringe, although that's decidedly not always been the case in our great country....
We're better off that they're "fringe" as well -- In my judgment, that is -- simply because what they stand for is antithetical to freedom and liberty.
And all lot of us think it's time for Dr. Paul to make that distinction.
No, what you are ADVOCATING is antithetical to freedom and liberty because you are seeking to SILENCE them.
They've done NOTHING wrong - they have a RIGHT to their beliefs. They are NOT forcing their beliefs on YOU.
They have a right to believe WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE.
Please refrain from calling supporters who believe what you (and granted, a majority) don't like "fringe."
courtney
11-16-2007, 04:22 PM
Then show me where Glenn Beck called us white supremacists. He didn't. People are trying to make a big deal out of something that its not. If you really want Ron Paul to publically call Nazis evil and give back all donations, it'll make bigger headlines with the media askign why nazis were supporting him in the first place. It won't do any good. Ignoring it is the best solution.
And yeah there are people who reply to RP Youtube videos and repeatedly ask "Why do Neo-Nazis support Ron Paul?" to try to create bad press.
Beck didn't mention "white supremacists" literally. He did, however, mention "fringe elements" that may have other goals besides the tradition of freedom and liberty in mind. This definition fits with white supremacists, as well as others of a Timothy McVeigh mindset.
Furthermore, at the end of the segment, Beck states this:
'The Ron Paul Revolution,' I think it's meant to be a catchy slogan, but I fear some of his fringe supporters are taking the word 'Revolution' too literally.
He is expressing his general "fears" concerning the wolves in sheep's clothing, the fringe elements that exist in any movement.
MsDoodahs
11-16-2007, 04:30 PM
Beck didn't mention "white supremacists" literally.
You did.
Why would a Paul supporter do such a thing?
Seems a contradiction. And since there are no contradictions, the premise must be rechecked.
Rechecking the premise yields the answer. :)
torchbearer
11-16-2007, 04:31 PM
Beck didn't mention "white supremacists" literally. He did, however, mention "fringe elements" that may have other goals besides the tradition of freedom and liberty in mind. This definition fits with white supremacists, as well as others of a Timothy McVeigh mindset.
Furthermore, at the end of the segment, Beck states this:
He is expressing his general "fears" concerning the wolves in sheep's clothing, the fringe elements that exist in any movement.
Courtney, he was calling you fringe. He was calling you a neo-nazi. And if He had his way, people would stone you to death for hating america. get it? he is lumping us all into that category simply because we support ron paul.
I wonder if this is how the Jews of Nazi Germany felt when they were starting to fall victim to hate speech propaganda?
They probably even has some "apologist" in their group.
courtney
11-16-2007, 04:32 PM
No, what you are ADVOCATING is antithetical to freedom and liberty because you are seeking to SILENCE them.
They've done NOTHING wrong - they have a RIGHT to their beliefs. They are NOT forcing their beliefs on YOU.
They have a right to believe WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE.
Please refrain from calling supporters who believe what you (and granted, a majority) don't like "fringe."
Nope, I am not attempting to silence them. I just believe that if a Presidential campaign is based upon Freedom and Liberty, then accepting donations from Adolf Hitler, or else Osama bin Laden, for instance, sends the wrong message to those with whom we're attempting to spread that message to.
Dr. Paul is free to accept, or deny, their known donations on the basis of that principle, just as they are free to participate in the political process, as well as have freedom of speech, etc.
I just can't fathom sending a "Thank-you-for-donating-$500.00-to-my-campaign" letter to Mr. Stalin is all.
With that said, I do not believe that any terrorist organisation has a "right" to exist in this Country no more than Osama bin Laden should expect that same right. And the KKK Fits the definition of a Domestic Terrorist organisation -- only because of the violent history of that organisation. Now, if the newer KKK members have renounced violence and intimidation (terror) then why can't they find themselves another banner to fly besides that of the KKK?
Furis
11-16-2007, 04:32 PM
Beck didn't mention "white supremacists" literally. He did, however, mention "fringe elements" that may have other goals besides the tradition of freedom and liberty in mind. This definition fits with white supremacists, as well as others of a Timothy McVeigh mindset.
Furthermore, at the end of the segment, Beck states this:
He is expressing his general "fears" concerning the wolves in sheep's clothing, the fringe elements that exist in any movement.
He (NeoCon) is trying to discredit those associated with Ron Paul, discrediting Paul himself.
thomj76
11-16-2007, 04:35 PM
This has probably already been said here, but Glen Beck supports most of what Ron Paul stands for. There was a scheduling conflict in the interview for his show and for Wolf Blitzer. In the future, I would presume that Dr. Paul will be able to get on the show.
I saw the interview, and felt it was in poor taste. I would submit that there are more positive things we can be doing to promote the message of Limited Government and Liberty.
Revolution9
11-16-2007, 04:37 PM
Folks, I think we're missing the entire point here. And all I ask is that you guys hear me out before you attempt to lynch me for being a heretic.
How about we label you a misinformed shit disturber or a shill plant trolling their ~breaches~ off. I heard this crap last night at the coffeeshop. My answer was.. that canard?? Bush and company are real Nazis with a Nazi hertiage of funding that world warping psyop. Then I said..besides a vote for Artillery Clinton is a vote for Israilroadie. The coffee shop shit siturber then proclaimed he was Jewish and gave me the ..now yer gonna shut up victory smirk.. heh.. Not me pal.. I told him the truth. That shitty little country ain't worth a single American dollar or life. He disappeared.. presumably to phone Rabbi Chertoff of ..ahem..Das Homeland Security" and apprise him of my violating the B'nai B'rith/ADL fashioned hate speech for not thinking his country of loyalty is not worth my sons life.
If you want to know who is behind these White Supremacist groups you will find alot of Ashkenazi type names..
http://judicial-inc.biz/1_master_supreme.htm
A run through of the articles..each with pictures of the culprits and a good background..the type of facts that are well known to law enforcement agencies and intel sources..will show that these ghroups are not what they appear to be and often those that they appear to oppose are actually their masterfunders and do so to push their agendas by making their opponents seem to have been the reason for such rather than their own contrived psyop.
Randy
RP4ME
11-16-2007, 04:38 PM
Conner,
All of these attacks do one thing exceedingly well. They divert us from our real purpose. To get out the word about Ron Paul and his platform. Don't waste time with these other jerks. There are a LOT of people out there, who don't even know about Ron Paul and those who do, have propaganda stuffed in their heads. We can change that, if we only would get campaign literature in their hands, so they can see the truth for themselves.
If we are not successful in our efforts, there will be plenty of time to email Beck's sponsors AFTER the primaries. For right now, please, let's stay focused.
exactly please do not engage HIM! Its negative and its what he wants. Just let it die,.....the more you do the mor eyou draw attention to somethung that isnt reflectuve of us.....
courtney
11-16-2007, 04:39 PM
Courtney, he was calling you fringe. He was calling you a neo-nazi. And if He had his way, people would stone you to death for hating america. get it? he is lumping us all into that category simply because we support ron paul.
I wonder if this is how the Jews of Nazi Germany felt when they were starting to fall victim to hate speech propaganda?
They probably even has some "apologist" in their group.
I'll get back to you on this. So as to give you the benefit of the doubt, I will watch the show clip again. I did not hear what you and so many others claimed to have heard.
I will say, however, that between what GB and his guests brought up, there exists plenty to either debunk -- even question the sincerity of (especially assertions made by his carefully chosen guests concerning those "libertarian sites").
But what I heard Beck say is that "most" Paul supporters are not "fringe." I'll report on what he said specifically later, however.
And BTW, if I'm wrong and I finally "see" the light that so many of the rest of you have seen, then I'll eat crow, here, on this forum. :)
TheNewYorker
11-16-2007, 04:40 PM
White Supremacist != White Nationalist
courtney
11-16-2007, 04:41 PM
White Supremacist != White Nationalist
White Supremacist = White Nationalist = ?
Ozwest
11-16-2007, 04:45 PM
This has probably already been said here, but Glen Beck supports most of what Ron Paul stands for. There was a scheduling conflict in the interview for his show and for Wolf Blitzer. In the future, I would presume that Dr. Paul will be able to get on the show.
I saw the interview, and felt it was in poor taste. I would submit that there are more positive things we can be doing to promote the message of Limited Government and Liberty.
You cannot make a silk purse from a sows ear thomj76. Stop making excuses for the man... He made a conscious effort to slander Ron Paul and his supporters, thinking his media status cocooned him from any consequences. It was cheap gutter journalism at its worst and unethical at best... It is time he receives the thrashing he deserves!
Indy Vidual
11-16-2007, 04:45 PM
...And the KKK Fits the definition of a Domestic Terrorist organisation -- only because of the violent history of that organisation...
Disclaimer: Yesterday, in another thread, I 'fought long and hard' to support the idea Dr. Paul does not gain by returning any donations, then...
Violence is the key issue, folks.
Isn't it?
Radical free speech is hard for many people to accept, and I will always fight for the rights of every individual, even the ones I disagree with.
Violence is unacceptable and there seems to be no question Dr. Paul needs to return the KKK related money.
He could also tie in a pro-peace (anti-war) reminder regarding the Middle East situation.
MsDoodahs
11-16-2007, 04:47 PM
I just believe that if a Presidential campaign is based upon Freedom and Liberty, then accepting donations from Adolph Hitler, or else Osama bin Laden, for instance, sends the wrong message to those with whom we're attempting to spread that message to.
Those individuals acted against their fellow man. You're equating those whose beliefs you don't like with those who have acted.
There is a huge difference.
Dr. Paul is free to accept, or deny, their known donations on the basis of that principle, just as they are free to participate in the political process, as well as have freedom of speech, etc.
I just can't fathom sending a "Thank-you-for-donating-$500.00-to-my-campaign" letter to Mr. Stalin is all.
Again, there is a huge difference between those whose beliefs you don't like and those who have acted against their fellows. You're attempting to blur that line.
Why?
And the KKK Fits the definition of a Domestic Terrorist organisation -- only because of the violent history of that organisation. Now, if the newer KKK members have renounced violence and intimidation (terror) then why can't they find themselves another banner to fly besides that of the KKK?
It's their right to choose whatever banner they want to.
You aren't much into freedom, are ya?
lol...
Indy Vidual
11-16-2007, 04:50 PM
...Again, there is a huge difference between those whose beliefs you don't like and those who have acted against their fellows...
Are you denying the KKK has a very ugly history of violence in America??
TheNewYorker
11-16-2007, 04:51 PM
White Supremacist = White Nationalist = ?
No, White Supremacist does not equal White Nationalist. White Supremacists believe that whites are superior to other races and that other races should not exist. White Nationalists believe in defending the white race and being proud of who you are, just like it's OK for people to be proud to be black.
Don Black and the other "nazis" from "stormfront" that Glenn Back and the media are talking about are White Nationalists, not White Supremacists.
I'm white, and would consider myself a white nationalist, there's nothing wrong with being white and I'm proud of who I am, if there's something wrong with being white come shoot me or paint me a different color then.
Also white nationalists are so fond of Dr. Paul because he's tough on illegal immigrations, and at the rate that illegal mexicans are pouring into this country, whites will soon not even exist, or be a very small minority in the USA by the year 2050, and the white race should not be exterminated, should it? If you are against white nationalism you are basically like hitler, just instead of hating jews you hate white people.
MsDoodahs
11-16-2007, 04:51 PM
Radical free speech is hard for many people to accept, and I will always fight for the rights of every individual, even the ones I disagree with.
+1
TheNewYorker
11-16-2007, 04:53 PM
Are you denying the KKK has a very ugly history of violence in America??
Who knows. I didn't live during that time, and I certainly as hell don't trust the media, after all we know first-hand how honest they have been with Ron Paul. :rolleyes:
MsDoodahs
11-16-2007, 04:54 PM
Are you denying the KKK has a very ugly history of violence in America??
No, where did I say that?
literatim
11-16-2007, 04:54 PM
With that said, I do not believe that any terrorist organisation has a "right" to exist in this Country no more than Osama bin Laden should expect that same right. And the KKK Fits the definition of a Domestic Terrorist organisation -- only because of the violent history of that organisation. Now, if the newer KKK members have renounced violence and intimidation (terror) then why can't they find themselves another banner to fly besides that of the KKK?
You know the Catholics had a violent history, do they fit the definition of a domestic terrorist organization?
Shouldn't you be asking the Catholics why they can't find themselves another banner to fly because of the Protestants they killed?
Indy Vidual
11-16-2007, 04:56 PM
Are you denying the KKK has a very ugly history of violence in America??
No, where did I say that?
I didn't claim you did :)
Just needed to follow up on this, please:
Violence is the key issue, folks.
Isn't it?
Radical free speech is hard for many people to accept, and I will always fight for the rights of every individual, even the ones I disagree with.
Violence is unacceptable and there seems to be no question (Edit: See comments below) Dr. Paul needs to return the KKK related money. (Edit: See comments below)
He could also tie in a pro-peace (anti-war) reminder regarding the Middle East situation.
Edit: I normally do not 'flip-flop' on issues.
This 'racial crap' is pretty new to me...
...Post #109 shows my final view on this very difficult issue. :eek:
MsDoodahs
11-16-2007, 04:58 PM
And BTW, if I'm wrong and I finally "see" the light that so many of the rest of you have seen, then I'll eat crow, here, on this forum. :)
???
In your initial post, you claimed to be a staunch supporter of Dr. Paul, even claiming that you've already maxxed your donation.
This is antithetical to what I have assumed Dr. Paul to stand for, which is why I donated $2300.00 to his campaign.
Which is it?
;)
Indy Vidual
11-16-2007, 05:01 PM
You know the Catholics had a violent history, do they fit the definition of a domestic terrorist organization?
Shouldn't you be asking the Catholics why they can't find themselves another banner to fly because of the Protestants they killed?
Damn, you guys are good :p :eek: :D
Fine...
...I (once again) understand why Dr. Paul should not return the money.
This might be a really 'difficult sale' to convince the masses, but I'm grateful for the challenging debate here. :cool:
Thanks
MsDoodahs
11-16-2007, 05:01 PM
I didn't claim you did :)
Just needed to follow up on this, please:
[I]
Violence is the key issue, folks.
Isn't it?
Yes - I think I said "acted against their fellows" to refer to it rather than saying "murdered a bunch of people" or "used violence."
I think we're on the same page. Even in the same paragraph. :)
Revolution9
11-16-2007, 05:03 PM
Nope, I am not attempting to silence them. I just believe that if a Presidential campaign is based upon Freedom and Liberty, then accepting donations from Adolph Hitler, or else Osama bin Laden, for instance, sends the wrong message to those with whom we're attempting to spread that message to.
Dr. Paul is free to accept, or deny, their known donations on the basis of that principle, just as they are free to participate in the political process, as well as have freedom of speech, etc.
I just can't fathom sending a "Thank-you-for-donating-$500.00-to-my-campaign" letter to Mr. Stalin is all.
With that said, I do not believe that any terrorist organisation has a "right" to exist in this Country no more than Osama bin Laden should expect that same right. And the KKK Fits the definition of a Domestic Terrorist organisation -- only because of the violent history of that organisation. Now, if the newer KKK members have renounced violence and intimidation (terror) then why can't they find themselves another banner to fly besides that of the KKK?
So who is B'nai B'rith and ADL which is a terrorist oprganisation donating their money to? Are they to be held to the same stricture as the White Pride and similar groups? Are all white ackowledging and membership limited groups falling under the same umbrella? If a lady wants to give care to white only children..as some do withblack children and jewish and muslim..then why is this an act of White Supremacists and not someone looking after their own kind? A lady in NJ years back was treated to the NeoNazi smear campaign for starting and organisation to help white kids.. They shut her down while similar organisations exist for black and jewish children.
Whether you see it or not you are prejudiced and/or a victim of brainwashing techniques. Ever have a good notice of how everything wrong with America is the white mans fault and the white man has the power and the white man this and that and the other.. But yet when we exhibit pride in our cultural heritage immediately the hitler/nazi canard is trumpeted.. But hey..don't say anything about the Ashkennazi or the colored law of hate crimes will bandy you about your skull with a billy club, incarcerate you and steal your savings and future. There is a concerted effort to dismantle the moral and libertarian gains of Western Culture of the rennaisance and baroque and enlightenment periods and turn back the clock to the days of theocratic rule by Royal proxies. To do this they need us stupid, unpossessed of natural cultural momentum save for their programmed route and willing to sacrifice your morality in the name of their immorlity disgusied as morality. This is not an accident of hostory but part of a millenial plan germinated ceturies prior and put into action through theological and monetary centers and kep in motion by family trees and secret lodges within public lodges.
On a closing thought.. White Supremacists who are like the skinheads I have known are dangerous..not toyou and me..unless we are in a mosh pit with them..but because they will not lie down,. shut up and be subjugated witout a fight. I did not see any of them looking to take out the government. They were mostly from lower class Scottish/Irish/german households and their parents lived amongst other immigrant groups who competed for labor and women and goods and markets with these othe ethnicities and a certain amount of animopsity was bandied about in their household. Thje ones that I see now I knew ten or twenty years ago have children and work, or made a career in the US Forces or Law Enforcement. Bogey men are everywhere.. Do you check under your bed at night prior to dozing off?
Randy
Revolution9
11-16-2007, 05:07 PM
Who knows. I didn't live during that time, and I certainly as hell don't trust the media, after all we know first-hand how honest they have been with Ron Paul. :rolleyes:
http://judicial-inc.biz/1.3.fbi_uses_mobster_to_crack_missis.htm
It ain't all cracked up to be what it seems. This site has a succinct set of pages of damning facts ala Joe Friday of Dragnet style. The gambits played are similar throughout the years they cover. The personalities in play and their connections are quite illuminating.
Randy
Flash
11-16-2007, 05:21 PM
No, White Supremacist does not equal White Nationalist.
I agree- White Nationalists are much better than supremacists. I've met a few online and they were friendlier.
However I'm against all forms of racism and that junk, I believe in Libertarianism. I don't think races need to be seperated from each other or segregated.
American
11-16-2007, 05:24 PM
I agree- White Nationalists are much better than supremacists. I've met a few online and they were friendlier.
However I'm against all forms of racism and that junk, I believe in Libertarianism. I don't think races need to be seperated from each other or segregated.
I'm not supporting the White Nationalist view but I think your statement here is misleading. If its a group of mutual understanding then I dont see a problem with it. I wouldnt call it a group of segregation or seperation.
TooConservative
11-16-2007, 05:26 PM
I think Beck's show went so far over the line that a response from us supporters (a.k.a. terrorists) is appropriate. We should be serious, substantive and serious. We should let the advertisers know we will not forget their actions if they continue to sponsor a media figure who labels us, their customers, as terrorists. Beck is the one who went after us. He's not calling Ron Paul a terrorist, he's slandering us.
Otherwise, we should be positive and focus on Ron Paul's positive message and getting him elected.
MsDoodahs
11-16-2007, 05:27 PM
I agree- White Nationalists are much better than supremacists. I've met a few online and they were friendlier.
However I'm against all forms of racism and that junk, I believe in Libertarianism. I don't think races need to be seperated from each other or segregated.
I'm personally against it but I will defend another's right to believe otherwise.
:)
edited to add - If an individual freely chooses to self-segregate, that's their choice and I'll defend their right to make such a choice.
jamesmadison
11-16-2007, 05:28 PM
So who is B'nai B'rith and ADL which is a terrorist oprganisation donating their money to? Are they to be held to the same stricture as the White Pride and similar groups? Are all white ackowledging and membership limited groups falling under the same umbrella? If a lady wants to give care to white only children..as some do withblack children and jewish and muslim..then why is this an act of White Supremacists and not someone looking after their own kind? A lady in NJ years back was treated to the NeoNazi smear campaign for starting and organisation to help white kids.. They shut her down while similar organisations exist for black and jewish children.
Whether you see it or not you are prejudiced and/or a victim of brainwashing techniques. Ever have a good notice of how everything wrong with America is the white mans fault and the white man has the power and the white man this and that and the other.. But yet when we exhibit pride in our cultural heritage immediately the hitler/nazi canard is trumpeted.. But hey..don't say anything about the Ashkennazi or the colored law of hate crimes will bandy you about your skull with a billy club, incarcerate you and steal your savings and future. There is a concerted effort to dismantle the moral and libertarian gains of Western Culture of the rennaisance and baroque and enlightenment periods and turn back the clock to the days of theocratic rule by Royal proxies. To do this they need us stupid, unpossessed of natural cultural momentum save for their programmed route and willing to sacrifice your morality in the name of their immorlity disgusied as morality. This is not an accident of hostory but part of a millenial plan germinated ceturies prior and put into action through theological and monetary centers and kep in motion by family trees and secret lodges within public lodges.
On a closing thought.. White Supremacists who are like the skinheads I have known are dangerous..not toyou and me..unless we are in a mosh pit with them..but because they will not lie down,. shut up and be subjugated witout a fight. I did not see any of them looking to take out the government. They were mostly from lower class Scottish/Irish/german households and their parents lived amongst other immigrant groups who competed for labor and women and goods and markets with these othe ethnicities and a certain amount of animopsity was bandied about in their household. Thje ones that I see now I knew ten or twenty years ago have children and work, or made a career in the US Forces or Law Enforcement. Bogey men are everywhere.. Do you check under your bed at night prior to dozing off?
Randy
I have never heard anyone say that white people are the problem in this country.
The problem in this country is stupidity.
Indy Vidual
11-16-2007, 05:29 PM
...I'm against all forms of racism and that junk, I believe in Libertarianism. I don't think races need to be separated from each other or segregated.
Bravo!
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Here is the only (easy) way to win racial debates:
((Please, post this-or similar-every time you hear the endless 'racist slurs' against Dr. Paul))
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Ron Paul views people a individuals not groups.
Racism and religious bigotry are collective concepts.
Ron Paul supports individual concepts, not collective concepts.
By definition Ron Paul is not a racist.
TheNewYorker
11-16-2007, 05:56 PM
I'm not supporting the White Nationalist view but I think your statement here is misleading. If its a group of mutual understanding then I dont see a problem with it. I wouldnt call it a group of segregation or seperation.
Well us White Nationalists believe in being proud to be white and keeping the white race alive, nothing more, not hating other races like the KKK/White Supremacists/Nazis do.
Statistics don't lie, at the rate that illegal mexicans are coming into the USA, and at the rate that the other races are multiplying like rabbits, by the year 2050 (in everyone here's lifetime) whites will be the smallest minority group in the USA save maybe native americans and asians. And by the year 2150 the white race will no longer exist in North America, possibly Europe as well.
Just like the holocaust was an atrocious thing, the genocide of the white race is a horrible thing to, and I'm not going to sit by and watch my own flesh and blood get exterminated. Racial genocide is wrong, just because whites are the current majority, does not make it alright for us to get exterminated.
Revolution9
11-16-2007, 06:03 PM
I have never heard anyone say that white people are the problem in this country.
The problem in this country is stupidity.
Agreed with your second premise. The first may be an indication of your geographic locale or the cultural spheres you inhabit. I am in Atlanta..a town of reverse racism. We are all very bad slave owning, inidian killing, money grubbing, empire driven racists.. Entire pockets of the population here think like this.. I just tell them.. eff you and give me your iPod and Volvo and that wristwatch..cause you'll be damned taking any benefit from something a white man had a hand in..heh. Mind you.. I grew up in Canada and Europe.. Things are quite different there and people do not note the differences as they do here. As well, in Canada there are no such monikers as African-Canadian.. WTF is that.. Yer either African or Canadian..and if African what country? America needs to become unconfused.. Stuff like this neonazi/zionist shills brouhaha do not help but only create more lines of perceptual and virtual but non-real division
Best Regards
Randy
freedom_junkie
11-16-2007, 06:03 PM
et hem, how the hell are we being exterminated?
I for one hope one day there will be no race, we'll all look, er should I say Human.
Who the heck cares about heritage?
I belong to the Daughters of the American Revolution, and what is it worth? I can post that I belong to the Daughters of the American Revolution here, oooh ahhhh.
There was a major genetic study that disproves "pure heritage" anyway. You think you are pure white anglo. They can now do a DNA test on you and before you know it you are Turkish with a dash of South American mixed in with Scottish or something.
Get over it.:cool:
courtney
11-16-2007, 06:29 PM
???
In your initial post, you claimed to be a staunch supporter of Dr. Paul, even claiming that you've already maxxed your donation.
Which is it?
;)
I maxed out my financial support for Dr. Paul because I believed his stances were antithetical to those of the KKK.
Sorry for the confusion.
courtney
11-16-2007, 06:34 PM
Revolution9 posted: How about we label you a misinformed shit disturber or a shill plant trolling their ~breaches~ off.
That's your right.
Perhaps that perception will change when I finally amass 1776 posts as you have.... :)
libertarian4321
11-16-2007, 07:26 PM
Just thought I would post this as to not forget and let it slip away quietly as though it never happened as the MSM does sometimes.. We can't forget...Must let them know we are still working on their sponsors.....
http://dailypaul.com/node/7467
Don't buy Beck's book? Thats sort of like saying "Don't repeatedly stab yourself in the groin with a rusty knife."
TheNewYorker
11-16-2007, 07:30 PM
I for one hope one day there will be no race, we'll all look, er should I say Human.
Yes, we should all look alike, and our children should all be born retarded, just like when brother/sister have kids together. That helps the human race now? The fact of the matter is, humans evolved from apes and branched out into different races for a reason.
One color, one race, is exactly what Hitler preached. White nationalists, call for many different races and colors.
courtney
11-16-2007, 07:34 PM
You know the Catholics had a violent history, do they fit the definition of a domestic terrorist organization?
Shouldn't you be asking the Catholics why they can't find themselves another banner to fly because of the Protestants they killed?
Because I actively engage those questions (including many others, including questions surrounding the violent and suppressive and genocidal foundations of Judaism, from which Christianity evolved) I am an atheist. I didn't get to this point without asking questions.
So yes, just as Jefferson instructed his Nephew, Peter Carr: "Question with boldness even the existence of a God", so have I. And my conclusion is that religion, including Catholicism, represents a dangerous farce -- especially those religions whose roots lie in the ancient Judaic traditions. The Old Testament of the Bible disturbs me greatly, and it's unfortunate that even in this day and age one finds it difficult to criticize religion without having to brace oneself for a massive and irrational backlash from believers of the faith.
Anyway, Christianity is deeply embedded within our culture just as racism and white supremacy were intimately conjoined with Christianity once upon a time in this Country's history. * However *, although the Country as a whole has yet to evolve away from religion, fortunately Christianity has largely evolved away from violence, torture, intimidation, crusades, and forced conversions. That is to say that Christianity, though still a threat to peaceful society, including freedom and liberty, has largely distanced itself away from Ku Klux Klan and neo-Nazi values.
So, in my estimation, what Dr. Paul has an opportunity to do, as a Christian and a candidate for President, is to distance himself from an organisation that symbolises Domestic Terror activity as that's what the KKK was specifically created for, and it used Christianity as a moral vehicle to drive that terroristic activity. If Dr. Paul doesn't distance himself in some way from this stuff, then I believe his supporters, and potential supporters, deserve an explanation, and from the man himself. Eventually, I may request a refund in the end.
I suppose I could turn the question around to you. Would you accept that a branch of Al Qaeda has a right to free speech in this Country, although they have not yet bombed any malls? Would I be outside of my bounds by expressing reservations about a Ron Paul-supportive Al Qaeda branch in the U.S.?
Flash
11-16-2007, 07:49 PM
Well us White Nationalists believe in being proud to be white and keeping the white race alive, nothing more, not hating other races like the KKK/White Supremacists/Nazis do.
White Nationalists do seem to get a bad rep. I've met plenty of Non-Whites that said they would only marry one of thier own race, thats nationalism too.
And besides White Nationalists are an extreme minority compared to Mexican Nationalists, jewish nationalists, etc..
I maxed out my financial support for Dr. Paul because I believed his stances were antithetical to those of the KKK.
You're living in the past, The Ku Klux Klan is a joke these days. At most they have what-- a thousand members? They're a fringe minority thats decreasing. I don't even remember the last time they organized a killing of someone.
And I've never heard of Klansman supporting Ron Paul, they support their own candidates. I think you're listening to too much propaganda.
mesler
11-16-2007, 07:56 PM
I maxed out my financial support for Dr. Paul because I believed his stances were antithetical to those of the KKK.
Sorry for the confusion.
Sorry, but there are many groups who benefit from a message of freedom and liberty, and that includes less desirables.
Hopefully you can accept this and move on.
Man from La Mancha
11-16-2007, 08:01 PM
White Nationalists do seem to get a bad rep. I've met plenty of Non-Whites that said they would only marry one of thier own race, thats nationalism too.
And besides White Nationalists are an extreme minority compared to Mexican Nationalists, jewish nationalists, etc..
You're living in the past, The Ku Klux Klan is a joke these days. At most they have what-- a thousand members? They're a fringe minority thats decreasing. I don't even remember the last time they organized a killing of someone.
And I've never heard of Klansman supporting Ron Paul, they support their own candidates. I think you're listening to too much propaganda. LOL most of those members are probably undercover government agent provocateurs.
So what is going on here, I thought this was a Glenn Beck thread, what is happening with him?
There is an easy solution, if one wants extras just wait till Thanksgiving night and buy any left over, will make the store owner and USA Today happy and every non Ron Paul supporter will have a chance. I will buy one and then wait to buy more.
courtney
11-16-2007, 08:26 PM
And finally this evening, I promised to get back with you torchbearer, so here I am.
Originally Posted by torchbearer
Courtney, he was calling you fringe. He was calling you a neo-nazi. And if He had his way, people would stone you to death for hating america. get it? he is lumping us all into that category simply because we support ron paul.
I wonder if this is how the Jews of Nazi Germany felt when they were starting to fall victim to hate speech propaganda?
They probably even has some "apologist" in their group.
I watched the clip again, and this what I will say about it. I still believe that Glenn Beck's stated concerns ("fears") are real. I share those same concerns.
This is what he stated about the November 5th, Guy Fawkes themed money bomb:
Now the vast majority of Paul's supporters take this little metaphor the way it's intended -- as a rallying cry to create a dramatic political shift."
He goes on to explain that it's not the way he would go about fundraising -- especially in a post-9/11 world, but let's face it, it's not the way many of us Paul supporters would have gone about it either, as the debates here attest. He then continues with a discussion about the "rising tide of disenfranchisement;" that it appears, to him, that the government, which consists of both Republicans and Democrats, is simply out of touch with the people, and that it appears that the government is "selling the Country out to special interest."
This is the thing he's apparently concerned about. When the people, in any nation, begin to rise up against their government with their pitchforks, which is what I believe is representative by the Ron Paul Revolution, what were once considered "fringe" elements (for better or for worse) have an opportunity that they once didn't have to gain power. This can be good, or this can be bad, depending on one's perspective.
However, anytime that there exists a massive "disenfranchisement" as GB puts it, there will be elements within that movement who are very, very angry -- and those folks will typically be better represented within the core of the movement. These folks are highly motivated, and refuse to compromise an inch, for they feel they've compromised just about everything they value for too long as it stands.
Again, he invited two guests that were very wary of what's going on, but that's not to say that Beck is being disingenuous. I will agree that he purposely allowed his guests , in fact, he expected his guests to pull no punches. Perhaps some of that was a jab at the campaign for snubbing him over Blitzer, but I do believe that his concerns are for real.
**********
Lastly, I'll just throw this in here for the heck of it before I sign out. This movement does remind me of when Rush Limbaugh was gaining big-time steam in the early '90's. And although I weened myself from Limbaugh many moons ago, the same accusations and concerns were lobbed at him as are being raised against Dr. Paul's campaign and supporters. Moreover, any bad press against Limbaugh was met voraciously by his supporters, including me, much the same as Dr. Paul's supporters react en masse to any negative publicity today.
I did, thankfully :D, finally realize that Limbaugh is just a human being. But most importantly, I learned that not all of the criticisms being lobbed at Limbaugh were "hit pieces" intending to discredit the man who cannot possibly speak any wrong. In fact, some of the criticism was earned, and well deserved....
Ron LOL
11-16-2007, 08:33 PM
FFS, people. If we should be badgering anybody, it's RP himself for not going on Beck's show. I don't care of Beck is a "neo-con shill." Fact is, so is the establishment. We need to reach voters. Beck has a wide audience, and I've seen posted again and again that he has offered RP a full hour. A full hour?! Why the hell hasn't RP gone on?
James R
11-16-2007, 08:38 PM
Just thought I would post this as to not forget and let it slip away quietly as though it never happened as the MSM does sometimes.. We can't forget...Must let them know we are still working on their sponsors.....
http://dailypaul.com/node/7467
I saw his show and it was fairly demeaning to us. But, much worse has been published. Particularly the Rolling Stone article. Then there was the time Joel Stein went on MSNBC and trashed us badly. In any case, I think this really belongs in the bad media section.
Ozwest
11-16-2007, 08:44 PM
FFS, people. If we should be badgering anybody, it's RP himself for not going on Beck's show. I don't care of Beck is a "neo-con shill." Fact is, so is the establishment. We need to reach voters. Beck has a wide audience, and I've seen posted again and again that he has offered RP a full hour. A full hour?! Why the hell hasn't RP gone on?
Ron Paul has not gone on his program because he is a worthless 2 bit turd who has no journalistic principles. It would be below the dignity of a distinguished and learned man of Ron Pauls standing to appear on his freak show circus.
MsDoodahs
11-16-2007, 08:45 PM
Ron Paul has not gone on his program because he is a worthless 2 bit turd who has no journalistic principles. It would be below the dignity of a distinguished and learned man of Ron Pauls standing to appear on his freak show circus.
QFT.
DesertRat
11-16-2007, 08:48 PM
Yes, let's all just sit quietly while the smear aritists develop the theme that we're domestic terrorists, and that Ron Paul is a racist, and an anti-Semite. Let's all just be nice and polite so we don't offend anyone. Let's just IGNORE it all, maybe it will "go away".
I think being polite and not offending anyone would do the campaign a lot of good. We should spend our time politely encouraging people to listen to the message. Once they hear it, they'll be hooked.
I think being polite and not offending anyone would do the campaign a lot of good. We should spend our time politely encouraging people to listen to the message. Once they hear it, they'll be hooked.
Quoted for Truth.
paulitics
11-16-2007, 09:17 PM
FFS, people. If we should be badgering anybody, it's RP himself for not going on Beck's show. I don't care of Beck is a "neo-con shill." Fact is, so is the establishment. We need to reach voters. Beck has a wide audience, and I've seen posted again and again that he has offered RP a full hour. A full hour?! Why the hell hasn't RP gone on?
I think it is still in the works. He needs to go and clear the air of the Trotskyite stinkbomb that rudely was emitted from Beck and Harrowitz on national television. IMO. Ignoring this will make it linger, and as far as they crossed the line, I think it must be confronted.
Ozwest
11-16-2007, 09:17 PM
Stay angry and continue emailing or calling the sponsors of Glenn Beck's program, in a polite but firm manner. Continued pressure will get results!
Flash
11-16-2007, 09:33 PM
FFS, people. If we should be badgering anybody, it's RP himself for not going on Beck's show. I don't care of Beck is a "neo-con shill." Fact is, so is the establishment. We need to reach voters. Beck has a wide audience, and I've seen posted again and again that he has offered RP a full hour. A full hour?! Why the hell hasn't RP gone on?
Theres a lot that goes on behind the scenes on radio. Its common for hack radio hosts to challenge someone to go on their show and then pretend their opponent back out. It happens a lot with morning zoo and shockjock shows.
paulitics
11-16-2007, 09:46 PM
Theres a lot that goes on behind the scenes on radio. Its common for hack radio hosts to challenge someone to go on their show and then pretend their opponent back out. It happens a lot with morning zoo and shockjock shows.
but RP did back out.
Flash
11-16-2007, 09:57 PM
but RP did back out.
Where did you hear this from?
torchbearer
11-16-2007, 10:07 PM
but RP did back out.
No- there was a schedule conflict with a real CNN show... beck's "lil' we-we" ego problem then prompted him to mock ron paul while he wasn't there by asking questions to an empty chair.
I've never seen anything so unprofessional or childish on CNNHN. I lost all respect for him on that very day.
Had he been professional about it, and not do what he did... he might have gotten a Ron Paul interview at a later date...
The Good Doctor
11-17-2007, 05:20 PM
Well, I have thought about this. I hope the guys from www.wearechange.org will try and confront both Beck and Horowitz.
However, there is going to be blowback from this. More people will come to Dr. Paul. It will get people to investigate him. These guys are complete idiots but I would rather have it this way. Why? Because we always garner more support for Dr. Paul when we get negative press. Point is, through every negative smear campaign, we have grown. The donations have grown, the meetup groups have grown, the rallies have grown, hell even these forums have grown.
Now, I can see that everyone is teed off. I am too. Very much. If someone wants to e-mail the show, fine. If someone wants to boycott and write Beck's sponsors fine. If you don't want to do anything that is fine too.
But because of this BS incident, I am predicting we will hit 20+ million for the quarter.
So, thank you Glenn Beck! :D
No- there was a schedule conflict with a real CNN show... beck's "lil' we-we" ego problem then prompted him to mock ron paul while he wasn't there by asking questions to an empty chair.
I've never seen anything so unprofessional or childish on CNNHN. I lost all respect for him on that very day.
Had he been professional about it, and not do what he did... he might have gotten a Ron Paul interview at a later date...
I call the sponsors and usually say either: I'm a shareholder, a customer, or was a potential customer; then I say that since they sponsor Glen Beck, who called me a terrorist for supporting a Goldwater-conservative presidential candidate, my family and I are concerned.
PeterSchiffVideos
08-18-2009, 11:43 PM
Bump.
Seems fitting.
Hey OP, might want to update the list. Maybe we can work with these left-wingers to finally get rid of this fraud.
Flash
08-18-2009, 11:52 PM
Bump.
Seems fitting.
Hey OP, might want to update the list. Maybe we can work with these left-wingers to finally get rid of this fraud.
For one, as someone who participated and actually send out emails in the original boycott, I can tell you this idea is foolishness. And let's not bump threads from 2007. I've made my case in another thread if you are interested in seeing them:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2273181&postcount=3
And I will never EVER side with the Stalinistic 'Progressive' left that wants to bully around anyone that calls their Marxist leader a racist. EVER!
this is very misguided...
beck has Rand and Ron on his show and is respectful to them now...
why do some of u wish to can him?
LibertyEagle
08-19-2009, 08:06 AM
This is an old thread. There are new ones that provide the current list of advertisers that many are writing. So, to reduce confusion, I am closing this thread.
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