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IHaveaDream
11-16-2007, 09:19 AM
Let me get this straight. Congressman Ron Paul has served as a member of the Republican party in the House of Representatives for 20 years. He’s a military veteran. He’s a licensed physician. He’s a Protestant Christian. He’s a family man who has been happily married to the same woman for 50 years. He has steadfastly defended the inherited rights of all individuals, including those still in the womb. He has, unquestionably, the most conservative voting record of any candidate running for president on the Republican ticket.

Dr. Paul, even as an underdog contender in this presidential race, has inspired a significant grassroots movement that is clearly disaffected with the current GOP agenda. This movement has loudly stated as such by raising over 4 million dollars in campaign contributions — in a mere 24 hours— for the candidate that they believe is most capable of leading the country.

This man is arguably the most genuine conservative at the federal level. Yet, the conservative public relations monarchy (i.e. Fox News, the leading conservative publications, and talk radio with its predominance of right wing evangelists) has completely disowned this candidate for all practical purposes. Why? Is it because he refuses to glorify war? Is it because he accurately predicted that our nation would invite perpetual hostility, an erosion of liberties, and an unstable currency if we embraced an imperialistic foreign policy? Is it because he is the only candidate on the right who is...right?

How is it that this dedicated conservative who has been faithful to his family, his constituents, his country, and to the constitution that he swore to uphold, has suddenly become a Republican without a party? Not only is the Republican party seemingly against Ron Paul’s nomination, but there’s a growing suspicion that they want to censor him altogether.

I hope one of the major media sources outside the conservative machine decides to call them out on this.

Sematary
11-16-2007, 09:35 AM
All you say is true but in the end - it's the war

plb
11-16-2007, 09:37 AM
I agree and to answer your question....It's all about the money

ACJohn
11-16-2007, 09:38 AM
It is about being able to continue to feed at the trough

Dorfsmith
11-16-2007, 09:38 AM
The war, money, and power. An honest person like Ron Paul would destroy years of work simply by telling the truth.

MsDoodahs
11-16-2007, 09:40 AM
Idea: We begin an effort to reclaim the GOP.

"We are the NEW GOP."

Thoughts?

voytechs
11-16-2007, 09:42 AM
You forget that they are not conservative, they are neo-conservative, a big difference.

Its the War, the closing of fed reserve and abolishon of corporatism in general. Its not just a small bias, to them this is war against all the neo-conservative values they stand for. So naturally they will fight it. This goes for most MSM media.

Matthew Zak
11-16-2007, 09:49 AM
Idea: We begin an effort to reclaim the GOP.

"We are the NEW GOP."

Thoughts?

No, WE are the old GOP, and we need to kick this out of control adolescent GOP out of our house.

TechnoGuyRob
11-16-2007, 09:50 AM
I think George Bush is simply conducting the largest trolling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29) experiment ever held.

MsDoodahs
11-16-2007, 09:55 AM
No, WE are the old GOP, and we need to kick this out of control adolescent GOP out of our house.

JMO: Old GOP doesn't work because of the young people that are joining because of Dr. Paul.

I was trying to figure out a way to make an end run around the neocons currently in control...

sedele
11-16-2007, 09:55 AM
The Islamofacists hate us because of our freedom.










edit: Replace Islamofacists with Establishment.

pcosmar
11-16-2007, 09:59 AM
All you say is true but in the end - it's the war

Good v Evil
This is the War.
These are the front lines.
Buck up Trooper.

RonPaulStreetTeam
11-16-2007, 10:02 AM
I heard they can deny him the nomination even if he wins?
is this true?

and if he doesnt run 3rd party like he'll probably have to I'll be crushed.

JMann
11-16-2007, 10:02 AM
Because the Republican party want to have nothing to do with conservatives. They hated Reagan and still do except when it helps them. They were not fans of Goldwater except when it serves their purpose. The party is about big government controlling people's lives.

Mauiboy86
11-16-2007, 10:03 AM
Its about Money and corporate control of our GOV!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sJUXIb27AOI

xcalybur
11-16-2007, 10:15 AM
The reason is because the people who have taken over the Republican and honestly the Democratic party as well have an agenda. Their agenda is to stay in power at all cost. Ron Paul is completely anti-agenda towards them. I fear that even if Ron Paul is elected that he will become another John F. Kennedy. JFK was saying some of the same things Ron Paul is saying, but I would dare to say that the establishment thinks that Ron Paul is far less of a threat than they thought of JFK. Little do they underestimate Ron Paul and his movement of people in these United States.

We want our country back, damnit!

leipo
11-16-2007, 10:23 AM
I heard they can deny him the nomination even if he wins?
is this true?

I heard someone mention this also. This can't be true, can it?

FreeTraveler
11-16-2007, 10:26 AM
Maybe a few "Republican rEVOLution" signs showing up alongside the "Ron Paul rEVOLution" signs will get things brewing. :p

MsDoodahs
11-16-2007, 10:28 AM
If I understand it correctly, even if Dr. Paul wins the primary vote in every single state, the DELEGATES to the GOP CONVENTION is what counts.

So yes, basically, Dr. Paul could win the popular primary vote but - based on the votes of DELEGATES at the GOP CONVENTION, those DELEGATES could feasibly give the nomination to Rudy.

This is why it is IMPERATIVE to learn about the delegate process in your state and do your dead level best to become a delegate in your state.

:)

eta: See Foo's sticky "How to Make Sense of the Delegate Process"

LFOD
11-16-2007, 10:51 AM
Let me get this straight. Congressman Ron Paul has served as a member of the Republican party in the House of Representatives for 20 years. He’s a military veteran. He’s a licensed physician. He’s a Protestant Christian. He’s a family man who has been happily married to the same woman for 50 years. He has steadfastly defended the inherited rights of all individuals, including those still in the womb. He has, unquestionably, the most conservative voting record of any candidate running for president on the Republican ticket.

Dr. Paul, even as an underdog contender in this presidential race, has inspired a significant grassroots movement that is clearly disaffected with the current GOP agenda. This movement has loudly stated as such by raising over 4 million dollars in campaign contributions — in a mere 24 hours— for the candidate that they believe is most capable of leading the country.

This man is arguably the most genuine conservative at the federal level. Yet, the conservative public relations monarchy (i.e. Fox News, the leading conservative publications, and talk radio with its predominance of right wing evangelists) has completely disowned this candidate for all practical purposes. Why? Is it because he refuses to glorify war? Is it because he accurately predicted that our nation would invite perpetual hostility, an erosion of liberties, and an unstable currency if we embraced an imperialistic foreign policy? Is it because he is the only candidate on the right who is...right?

How is it that this dedicated conservative who has been faithful to his family, his constituents, his country, and to the constitution that he swore to uphold, has suddenly become a Republican without a party? Not only is the Republican party seemingly against Ron Paul’s nomination, but there’s a growing suspicion that they want to censor him altogether.

I hope one of the major media sources outside the conservative machine decides to call them out on this.

Those are good questions. I think it really doesn't have anything to do with conservative principles. It's about loyalty to the *structure* that has been built. Because the structure is what feeds them, what gives them money and fame, and power. Ron Paul is a threat to that entire neocon structure. Therefore, he is a threat to the positions of the entire neoconservative media.

If someone within the Republican party comes along and not only ends the war, but ends the entire imperialistic empire... if you're a so-called "conservative" commentator or Bush loyalist, you can't retreat to that position. It's anthetical to your entire hatemongering histroy. There isn't a way to flip flop to that position. So your only option is to attempt to *destroy* Ron Paul, before he gains any more traction within the party, and that is the effort which is underway.

A Ron Paul victory would be the end of the current Republican party as it currently exists, and that's a problem for a lot of people who want to keep the positions they've attained.

This is not about principles - it's about power. For US, it's about principles, it's about freedom and a better country. But the gatekeepers have no real interest in that stuff. You really do have to think more cynically to understand their actions.

This campaign is a very real Revolution - an overthrow, rejection and ejection of those who are currently holding all the keys and watching all the doors. It's not just a slogan.

DealzOnWheelz
11-16-2007, 11:23 AM
How about

"The True GOP"

adpierce
11-16-2007, 11:26 AM
The Islamofacists hate us because of our freedom.










edit: Replace Islamofacists with Establishment.

Yeah the establishment thinks we're the islamofascists

vertesc
11-16-2007, 12:29 PM
Your confusion comes because of semantics: one hasn't been able to divide the political field by "liberal" and "conservative", "left" and "right" in almost a century.

Consider: spending on social programs is considered "left". On the other hand, so is Anarchy - a complete lack of social programs. On still another hand, a near-lack of social programs is called Libertarianism, and it's far "right". But wait, "new" conservatism supports an all-powerful state, that directs every action of its citizens... and it's also "right". see what I mean?

Or to use older examples, Fascism is "right wing." Communism is "left wing". But tell me the difference between "socialist" Hitler-era Germany and "fascist" Mussolini-era Italy. Toss in "Communist" Stalin-era Russia for good measure. Opposite sides of the spectrum? Hardly.

So how does this apply here? "new" and "old" conservatism can both be called "right", or "conservative". So the term is useless to distinguish between the two. The reason the powers-that-be fight RP's "old" conservatism so hard is not because of an individual reason like the war... it's because they are "new" conservatives. That means a big government that is omnipotent and never-failing, a permanent state of war, preferably on multiple fronts, and a citizenry that obeys without question its' government and corporate masters. It still counts as "right wing" or "conservative", but the difference is night and day.

Thomas Paine
11-16-2007, 12:36 PM
Because the neocons have hijacked the GOP. Don't forget, these same neocons offered Bill Clinton a deal while he was president in the mid-1990s that they would throw their support behind him if he took out Saddam Hussein. Clinton turned the deal down so the neocons waited until President Bush got elected.

unklejman
11-16-2007, 01:19 PM
JMO: Old GOP doesn't work because of the young people that are joining because of Dr. Paul.


Fine lets call it the New, old school GOP.