Bill Kristol brags about purging Ron Paul types from GOP, wants Ron Paul to leave

[The Free Hornet]

In media spin 'cause it can't possibly be true:

How Bill Kristol Purged the Arabists (http://buchanan.org/blog/how-bill-kristol-purged-the-arabists-5085)


That Bush crowd is yesterday, said Kristol. And not only had the “Arabists” like President Bush been shoved aside by the neocons, the “Pat Buchanan/Ron Paul type” of Republican has been purged.

“At B’nai Jeshurun,” writes Weiss, “Kristol admitted to playing a role in expelling members of the Republican Party he does not agree with.” These are Republicans you had to “repudiate,” said Kristol, people “of whom I disapprove so much that I won’t appear with them.”

“I’ve encouraged that they be expelled or not welcomed into the Republican Party. I’d be happy if Ron Paul left. I was very happy when Pat Buchanan was allowed — really encouraged … by George Bush … to go off and run as a third-party candidate.”

Kristol’s point: Refuse to toe the neo-con line on Israel, and you have no future in the Republican Party.

Ben Ami seemed equally exultant: “We’ve won the war; we won the war,” he told the audience. Ninety-nine percent of Congress now votes almost 100 percent pro-Israel.

There is more context before and after that quote.

Very interesting claim, IMO, and I sure hope it is false (or soon will be).

[Pisces]

I think this was definitely true in the past. Things are changing though and I don't think Kristol can stop that change. I'm sure he exaggerated a little bit at this function in order to look like more of a bigshot. He should remember - "Pride goeth before a fall".

[Anti Federalist]

Don't think for one second that the Israel First, neo-con wing of the GOP is silent and gone away.


How Bill Kristol Purged the Arabists

by Patrick J. Buchanan

http://lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan242.html

After taping John Stossel's show on May 15 in New York, the Mrs. and I took the 10 a.m. Acela back to Washington. Once we had boarded the train, who should come waddling up the aisle but Bill Kristol.

The Weekly Standard editor seemed cheerful, and we chatted about the surge in Mitt Romney's popularity and prospects.

I did not ask what he had been doing in New York, but thanks to the website Mondoweiss, I found out. Kristol was there for a May 15 "debate" with Jeremy Ben-Ami of J Street, the pro-Israel organization, at B'nai Jeshurun synagogue on the Upper West Side.

After listening to Kristol, writes Phil Weiss, "I am still reeling."

"Kristol was treated like royalty and came off as ... a Republican Party warlord," bragging "about how all the hostile elements to Israel inside the Republican Party were purged over the last 30 years – (and) no one (now) dared to question the power of the Israeli lobby."

"The big story in the Republican Party over the last 30 years, and I'm very happy about this," said Kristol, is the "eclipsing" of the George H.W. Bush-James Baker-Brent Scowcroft realists, "an Arabist old-fashioned Republican Party ... very concerned about relations with Arab states that were not friendly with Israel ... ."

That Bush crowd is yesterday, said Kristol. And not only had the "Arabists" like President Bush been shoved aside by the neocons, the "Pat Buchanan/Ron Paul type" of Republican has been purged.

"At B'nai Jeshurun," writes Weiss, "Kristol admitted to playing a role in expelling members of the Republican Party he does not agree with." These are Republicans you had to "repudiate," said Kristol, people "of whom I disapprove so much that I won't appear with them."

"I've encouraged that they be expelled or not welcomed into the Republican Party. I'd be happy if Ron Paul left. I was very happy when Pat Buchanan was allowed – really encouraged ... by George Bush ... to go off and run as a third-party candidate."

Kristol's point: Refuse to toe the neo-con line on Israel, and you have no future in the Republican Party.

Ben Ami seemed equally exultant: "We've won the war; we won the war," he told the audience. Ninety-nine percent of Congress now votes almost 100 percent pro-Israel.

But Ben Ami appeared nervous about how this unanimity in the Congress behind Israel had been achieved:

"I very seriously and absolutely do believe that a significant percentage of American members of the House of Representatives and the Senate are intimidated on this issue (of Israel). ... They worry about the ramifications of speaking out. ... They are worried about the attacks that they will receive."

Ben Ami said the 50 members who have criticized Israel are courageous, but, "Another 200 are scared to do it." Haaretz.com reports Ben Ami as saying congressmen "live in fear" of the Israeli lobby.

Kristol laughed at this and dared Ben Ami to name them.

When Ben Ami brought up the destruction of Palestinian rights on the West Bank and said Hillary Clinton repeatedly raises this issue with Israel, writes Weiss, "Kristol s******ed."

It's a "myth," said Kristol, that Arabs care about Palestinians. The Israeli occupation on the West Bank can last for 45 or 60 years more. Bill Kristol on Palestinian rights sounds like Bull Connor talking about Negro rights in Birmingham in 1965.

Another source says Kristol predicted that Sen. Joe Lieberman, whose voting record is closer to Socialist Bernie Sanders' than to conservative Jim DeMint's, will be secretary of state in the Romney administration.

(Any Ron Paul supporter who goes wobbly after reading this and votes Romney in the fall, ought to be flogged. - AF)

A former head of the Israel lobby AIPAC describes Lieberman as "the No. 1 pro-Israel advocate and leader in the Congress."

Joe led the cheers for our last three Middle East wars – and has pushed for two more, against Syria and Iran.

About Kristol's comments, a point of personal privilege.

George W. Bush never "encouraged" me to go third party. At the Iowa straw poll in 1999, he asked me to stay in the party, and party chair Jim Nicholson came to my home to make the same request.

At the synagogue, Kristol was never asked about his role in the Iraq War that he and his collaborators pressured Bush to wage as "Israel's fight against terrorism is our fight."

Some 4,500 Americans died in that war, 35,000 were wounded, and 100,000 Iraqis perished, leaving half a million widows and orphans.

Result: U.S. influence in the Middle East is at a nadir. Al-Qaida has spread into Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Syria and North Africa.

Now the neocons are worming their way into the Romney camp, dropping us hints on whether John Bolton or Joe Lieberman will be the next secretary of state.

Has Gov. Romney imbibed the Kristol Kool-Aid that caused the war and cost the party Congress in 2006 and the presidency in 2008?

Hard to believe, but we should find out before November.

[jmdrake]

Dear Bill Kristol. I'd be happy if you left the U.S.A. .... permanently.

[ryanmkeisling]

It is all a wash anyway. Earlier in the year Kristol marked Obama a "honorary" neo-con. Romney or Obama, either is fine with the neo-cons. This race, without Ron Paul, is absolutely meaningless.

[Lucille]

The scourge of the nation, them. Too bad the country's lousy with them--particularly in Washington, and on both sides of the aisle.

The Monster That Wouldn’t Die (http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2008/02/13/the-monster-that-wouldnt-die/)


Like vampires risen from the dead each night, these creatures who shun the light and feast on pain and suffering, are refreshed and ready to take wing again. What they seek is what makes them feel alive and energizes them to want more, and that is war. They are the War Party, and they are Democrats and Republicans. They are columnists and publishers and academics, as well as politicians and publicists. They don’t have much of a mass base: they prefer to work in the shadows, manipulating rather than inspiring. By such Machiavellian means have they managed to stay viable, in spite of the disasters they have wrought through the years – giving them more scope for fresh disasters yet to be imagined.

[MikeStanart]

Dear Bill Kristol. I'd be happy if you left the U.S.A. .... permanently.

I'd feel more comfortable if he went to the moon with Newt Gingrich.

[sailingaway]

HIS faction are the johnny come lately Trotskyite refugees from the Dem party.

[jmdrake]

I'd feel more comfortable if he went to the moon with Newt Gingrich.

As long as U.S. taxpayers don't have to pay for it.

[fr33]

What's discouraging is that Kristol's "Israel-first" worldview is represented all the way down to the grass roots in the GOP. I can't get through to people when talking about what Israel does. It always boils down to religious views. Some might say a perversion of religion but dogmatic regardless.

[mikeyc90]

i'd be happy if bill kristol and all these other neocon statists would leave the gop or better yet leave the country.

[Brett85]

What's discouraging is that Kristol's "Israel-first" worldview is represented all the way down to the grass roots in the GOP. I can't get through to people when talking about what Israel does. It always boils down to religious views. Some might say a perversion of religion but dogmatic regardless.

I don't see why you actually have to criticize Israel to be a non interventionist. My position is simply pro Israel, but anti foreign aid. That makes the most sense to me.

[trey4sports]

As long as U.S. taxpayers don't have to pay for it.


Sending Newt and Bill to the moon would be one government funded junket i would happily support.

[Kluge]

Why don't they live in Israel if it's so wonderful?

[Brett85]

"(Any Ron Paul supporter who goes wobbly after reading this and votes Romney in the fall, ought to be flogged. - AF)"

I agree completely, AF. I'm someone who even voted for Bush and McCain, and no way in the world am I voting for Romney in the fall. I've had enough of the neo-cons. Even George W. Bush never ran on a foreign policy so reckless. Romney is so aweful on foreign policy issues that he makes Bush look sane.

[cindy25]

for the first time I agree with Bill Kristol; I would love to see Ron leave the GOP and run 3rd party.

[jmdrake]

Sending Newt and Bill to the moon would be one government funded junket i would happily support.

But only if it's a one way ticket right?

[jj-]

Sending Newt and Bill to the moon would be one government funded junket i would happily support.

I was just converted to a Big Government advocate as well.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

As long as U.S. taxpayers don't have to pay for it.

It would get funded voluntarily, no problem I suspect.

[DamianTV]

Well, I for one would be happy if Bill Kristol left (the Earth that is).

[LatinsforPaul]

I would love to see Dr. Paul as the GOP nominee, and watch the hypocrisy from Kristol and the Neocons as they ENDORSE Obama for President.

[James Madison]

Why don't they live in Israel if it's so wonderful?

A large percentage of them are dual-citizens.

[catdd]

I heard a rumor that Kristol likes to put on a penguin mask and be waterboarded naked until he tells the truth. Some kind of sick neocon fetish I suppose.

[Cowlesy]

I think my favorite part of that article was Pat Buchanan describing Bill Kristol as "waddling" like he was The Penguin or something. trolololo *high-five* Pat!

[LibertyEagle]

I don't see why you actually have to criticize Israel to be a non interventionist. My position is simply pro Israel, but anti foreign aid. That makes the most sense to me.

Yes, and it is more effective too.

[LibertyEagle]

No one but Paul, for me.

[RonRules]

A large percentage of them are dual-citizens.

Nobody in Congress, the Senate, the Supreme Court, the Administration, the CIA, the FBI should be a dual-citizen.

Add the TSA gropers to that list.

[heavenlyboy34]

Nobody in Congress, the Senate, the Supreme Court, the Administration, the CIA, the FBI should be a dual-citizen.

Add the TSA gropers to that list.
Tell that to the Kenyan. ;) /tinfoil

[Pisces]

Is Joe Lieberman a dual citizen? He almost became Vice President.

[Agorism]

http://buchanan.org/blog/how-bill-kristol-purged-the-arabists-5085

Pat Buchanan: Bill Kristol Brags About Purging Ron Paul Types From GOP

[thoughtomator]

LOL Kristol is one of those on his way to being purged. He epitomizes all that has gone wrong with the GOP and its hijacking by arrogant elitist scumbags.

[Pisces]

"(Any Ron Paul supporter who goes wobbly after reading this and votes Romney in the fall, ought to be flogged. - AF)"

I agree completely, AF. I'm someone who even voted for Bush and McCain, and no way in the world am I voting for Romney in the fall. I've had enough of the neo-cons. Even George W. Bush never ran on a foreign policy so reckless. Romney is so aweful on foreign policy issues that he makes Bush look sane.

I agree as well. I'm probably more pragmatic than many here, for better or for worse, but I can't imagine voting for Romney. If write-ins are counted in Texas, I'll probably write in Ron Paul. If not, it'll be Virgil Goode.

[gwax23]

I don't see why you actually have to criticize Israel to be a non interventionist. My position is simply pro Israel, but anti foreign aid. That makes the most sense to me.

I agree with this. Im against aid and intervention but on a personal level I support Israel.

That also goes both ways. No support for the arab states either. And also non intervention means we cant really say Jerusalem is not the capital. If Israel says its their capital we should recognize this. Even ron paul says that. If you want to get technical you dont have to include East jerusalem in this definition but the US government arbitrarily deciding Tel Aviv is Israels defacto capital and moving embassy there doesnt seem very non interventionist to me.

This whole israel lobby being all powerful is very reminiscent of the ole "Jews controlling the world" crap. I stay away from this.

[fr33]

I don't see why you actually have to criticize Israel to be a non interventionist. My position is simply pro Israel, but anti foreign aid. That makes the most sense to me.People like Bill Kristol and the others I'm speaking of, want unconditional monetary and military support to Israel at any cost. Non interventionism is a non starter. It's a plague within the Republican party.

[Brian4Liberty]

I think my favorite part of that article was Pat Buchanan describing Bill Kristol as "waddling" like he was The Penguin or something. trolololo *high-five* Pat!

Bill Kristol returns to his secret Neo-con headquarters...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSxCT1Faw6k

[Badger Paul]

I've got 40 Minnesota delegates that says Kristol is full of it.

[Revolution9]

But only if it's a one way ticket right?

The budget for the two 55 gallon drums is very little. They can be fired from the new Navy railgun at the moon. If they don't make it..well..mark it up to collateral damage or blame it on the government planners, have ten years of hearings and be done with it..

Rev9

[sylcfh]

Kristol chose McCain twice, and lost both times.

[Tudo]

I truly wish bill crystal a long life. May he live to 100 years old


With colon cancer

[Revolution9]

If Israel wants support from me i will send them a jockstrap. It'll go great with their jackboots.

Rev9

[Matt Collins]

If I had to bet money, I would bet the feeling would be mutual if Billy Boy left the GOP and went back to the Wilsonian Progressive Democrat party where he belongs!

[cindy25]

just look at Romney's foreign policy advisers and you will see we lost, Kristol and BB won.

[J_White]

Keep watching, Billy boy, we will see how purges who !
does he not know whats happening in Iowa, NV, Maine and Alaska ?

[Revolution9]

This should help you cope your way through the new regime.

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/antisemitismsplashh.jpg

HTH
Rev9

[MRK]

Arabist?

lol...

[The Bavarian]

If he likes Israel so much he can go ahead and move there.

[Krzysztof Lesiak]

Fuck Kristol.

[anaconda]

And Kristol can go back to his Dixiecrat Democrats

[John F Kennedy III]

What's discouraging is that Kristol's "Israel-first" worldview is represented all the way down to the grass roots in the GOP. I can't get through to people when talking about what Israel does. It always boils down to religious views. Some might say a perversion of religion but dogmatic regardless.

I have the same problem.

[Humanae Libertas]

Maybe Kristol should leave this world...forever.

[paulbot24]

Kristol is nauseating. I'm surprised with Pat Buchanan every now and then . I NEVER thought I would see eye to eye with him on anything before, but now and then I find myself impressed with a quote or article penned by him. At least he's been known to really speak his mind in a shockingly honest way, which is a rare commodity these days. I would rather disagree with a principled man than listen to an empty suit any day.

[dillo]

Israel is probably the number 1 driving factor in terrorism today, there foundation can be argued as right or wrong; I have mixed opinions on it. However the U.S. having unquestioned support for Israel is why the Arabs hate us.

[ProIndividual]

Good, kick us out. We'll kill your chance of ever winning an election again when you do it, Billy Boy. You'll cut off your Party's nose to spite your face, neocon artist.

[Liberty74]

It is all a wash anyway. Earlier in the year Kristol marked Obama a "honorary" neo-con. Romney or Obama, either is fine with the neo-cons. This race, without Ron Paul, is absolutely meaningless.

And this is why Ron Paul should have ran as an Indy. If not Paul, then Judge NAP would suit me just fine.

This is just another classic example of what I have been trying to educate so many on RPF. The two party criminal system must go. You WILL NOT win as long as that two party system is the only option given to the people. A true revolution cannot happen. It must come from a different angle, hence Indy to break people out of their sheep like trance.

[KingNothing]

My guess is that by 2020, the democratization of information and New Media will weaken the strangehold Neo Cons have over narrative-creation and voter influence. Ultimately, they're losing the battle of ideas and when they can no longer win the battle of manipulation they'll be a relic of the past. They'll move to the dust heap very quickly. I bet they've got two more presidential cycles, at most.

[KingNothing]

And this is why Ron Paul should have ran as an Indy.

No. The opposite is true. We're getting anti-Neocons in positions of power within the Republican Party thanks to Paul's run within it. That's what matters. And we'll make greater gains every election cycle. We're going to push those hate-filled lunatics out of our party.

[NoOneButPaul]

Who in the world would read "I'm glad Buchanan went to the 3rd party" and then think, "See, Bill Kristol wants us to go 3rd party so we should..."

Going 3rd party is exactly where they want us, it's exactly where Kristol and all the elite want us- right back to obscurity. This is why Ron is never going to do it, staying within the party is where the real power is.

[yoshimaroka]

Good, kick us out. We'll kill your chance of ever winning an election again when you do it, Billy Boy. You'll cut off your Party's nose to spite your face, neocon artist.

Dude, I don't think he really cares if the Dems win. It's the same result. (see Obama, honorary neocon)

[Bern]

Bill Kristol represents everything that is wrong with America today.

[Bern]

...
This is just another classic example of what I have been trying to educate so many on RPF. The two party criminal system must go. You WILL NOT win as long as that two party system is the only option given to the people. A true revolution cannot happen. It must come from a different angle, hence Indy to break people out of their sheep like trance.

It is easier to take over the GOP as was achieved this election cycle in Iowa, Maine and possibly Alaska and a few other States, than to level the playing field for third parties.

[Brett85]

I agree as well. I'm probably more pragmatic than many here, for better or for worse, but I can't imagine voting for Romney. If write-ins are counted in Texas, I'll probably write in Ron Paul. If not, it'll be Virgil Goode.

I'm very pragmatic as well. I probably would've even voted for someone like Jon Huntsman, if he had been the GOP nominee. But, Romney is giving Ron Paul supporters no reason to vote for him at all, when he's calling for invading Iran and Syria, proposing massive increases in defense spending, etc. I don't want to have a guilty conscience by voting for Romney and then having him do all these horrible things.

As far as Virgil Goode is concerned, I've been pretty critical of the CP for nominating him. He had some pretty bad votes while he was a member of Congress. But, he has said publicly that he regrets those votes, and I want to vote for someone who's actually on the ballot, so I may still vote for him if he's on the ballot where I live, even though he's far from perfect.

[Origanalist]

HIS faction are the johnny come lately Trotskyite refugees from the Dem party.

Yes, and it's pretty tough to get that to sink into a lot of peoples heads.

[Brett85]

I've traditionally supported the idea of staying within the Republican Party and trying to reform it into a party that supports Constitutional government and a non interventionist foreign policy. However, if Romney becomes President and starts additional wars with Iran and Syria, how can I possibly stay in a party that has a President who's supporting those kinds of policies? I just don't know if I could give any support at all to the Republican Party if that happened. The Constitution Party sounds like a good idea to me if the GOP ends up driving off a cliff with Romney as President.

[Kluge]

Dude, I don't think he really cares if the Dems win. It's the same result. (see Obama, honorary neocon)

Maybe not now, but long-term, we might just get these bastards to go back to the Democrats.

[Voluntary Man]

anyone who puts the security of any other nation (Ireland, England, Scotland, Finland, Iceland, Greenland, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, … or Israel) above that of the USA is NOT an American, and ought to be immediately bought a one-way ticket to the country of his preference. in Bill Kristol's case, i will personally buy him a first-class ticket to Israel, on the airline of his choosing, provided he departs immediately and never darkens American soil, ever again.

Kristol takes pride in crushing the GOP under his spiked heel? i look forward to the day when all Israel-Firsters are exposed for the anti-American scum they are, and are driven from our shores, back into whatever holes they crawled out of.

same goes to anyone who puts the national interests of Mexico, Canada, Russia, or China, or any other country above the interests of the USA.

[jmdrake]

This should help you cope your way through the new regime.

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/antisemitismsplashh.jpg

HTH
Rev9

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Revolution9 again.

[liveandletlive]

I've traditionally supported the idea of staying within the Republican Party and trying to reform it into a party that supports Constitutional government and a non interventionist foreign policy. However, if Romney becomes President and starts additional wars with Iran and Syria, how can I possibly stay in a party that has a President who's supporting those kinds of policies? I just don't know if I could give any support at all to the Republican Party if that happened. The Constitution Party sounds like a good idea to me if the GOP ends up driving off a cliff with Romney as President.

just wait it out till the Neocons die out

we need more manpower to kick them out

[Voluntary Man]

just wait it out till the Neocons die out

we need more manpower to kick them out

they AREN'T dying out. they're breeding like roaches. Bill Kristol, himself, is NOT a first generation neocon.

[NoOneButPaul]

they AREN'T dying out. they're breeding like roaches. Bill Kristol, himself, is NOT a first generation neocon.

Yes but we are younger than all of them and so long as we continue to educate the younger generations eventually we will win out.

Going to a 3rd party is where they want us (HELL KRISTOL JUST FUCKING SAID THIS!) they want us to waste away FOREVER in a useless 3rd party that does nothing.

We have already taken over a number of state operations with our own people, we have changed the discussion within the GOP already, and Ron more than doubled his vote totals from 08 to 12... we are waking up the country, it isn't an easy thing to do. It took Ron 40 years just to get to what we have NOW.

WE ARE WINNING! WE ARE WINNING SO WELL THAT PEOPLE LIKE KRISTOL ARE AWKNOWLEGING OUR EXISTENCE AND THEY DON'T LIKE IT!

WE!
ARE!
WINNING!

Maybe not in elections (at least on the national level but we are taking over states piece by piece and bit by bit) we are winning the hearts and minds of the people (especially on the FED) and we are starting to win the conversation among the pandering politicians as well (how often do people here make a thread about some neocon sounding like us now? think about it...)

WE ARE WINNING!

The 3rd party stuff is exactly where they want us to go, it's the card they want us to play, this is why they keep shitting on us, blacking out Ron Paul and his movement and message, declaring us the RINOs when it is them who are the RINOs. They are purposely trying to piss us off to get us to leave! Don't fall for it!

Leaving for a 3rd party is what they want!
Please look at the bigger picture here and drop the idea entirely...

Our future is in the GOP, once all these old pieces of garbage die off it will be our generation that comes in and paves the way. To leave now or later would only negate all the winning we've accomplished already and would banish us to the doldrums of the current LP and CP.

This is another reason I will not vote for Johnson, i'd rather write in Ron Paul and have the vote never counted. The last thing we should want is to give the LP hope and fracture the GOP allowing the Democrats to run the country for the next 25 years.

We are winning within the party so we will stay within the party. If we leave the party we don't have a chance to win anything anywhere, period.

The key to success is getting these stubborn ass LP and CP people to come back into the GOP.

[Romulus]

This is the reason why we need to take over the R party... Neocons want us out.. they want us off to the sidelines in a 3rd party..

Make like Ron and take over the R party, that is the goal, and Kristol just showed his achilles heel.. that is it.. they took over the R party, we need to take it back.

[Voluntary Man]

I think my favorite part of that article was Pat Buchanan describing Bill Kristol as "waddling" like he was The Penguin or something. trolololo *high-five* Pat!

i can easily see Kristol as the Penguin .... although I'd invent a new evil villain (redundant?) character, just for his ugly mug: I'd call it the Cheshire Rat.

[Voluntary Man]

I heard a rumor that Kristol likes to put on a penguin mask and be waterboarded naked until he tells the truth. Some kind of sick neocon fetish I suppose.

i think Kristol refers to the monthly experience as his "SEAL Team 6 Golden Shower Spa Treatment." ironically, the experience leaves most of the team members involved with the need to take a month-long shower, themselves....from what i hear.

[LibertyEagle]

I support everyone's right to open up their own bank accounts and send all of their assets to Israel, if they so choose. I even support their right to travel to Israel and help them fight; even strap themselves to their bombs, if they want.

However, our government should remain neutral.

[anaconda]

Bill Kristol represents everything that is wrong with America today.

Except for low information voters and voter apathy.

[anaconda]

i can easily see Kristol as the Penguin .... although I'd invent a new evil villain (redundant?) character, just for his ugly mug: I'd call it the Cheshire Rat.

Dick Cheney is the definitive Penguin. I think that role is already locked up. I could see Kristol in a green Joker leotard.

[Brett85]

I support everyone's right to open up their own bank accounts and send all of their assets to Israel, if they so choose. I even support their right to travel to Israel and help them fight; even strap themselves to their bombs, if they want.

However, our government should remain neutral.

I'll probably get criticized for saying this, but I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea of helping them out if there actually was a situation where another country invaded them without being provoked, and Israel couldn't survive without our help. But, I don't think that we should give them foreign aid and pay for their defense on an ongoing basis. I think that makes them complacent and weakens their defense in the long run.

[SpicyTurkey]

Is Bill Kristol the homosexual counterpart of George Bush?

[jkr]

L00KS like Rmoney has driven himself AND the rnc OUT of the republican party

see nevada shadow party...my neo-con leaning boss said it was "TREASON"
hahahahahahahahah

way to win votes and influence delegates fliPPermint

[jkr]

Is Bill Kristol the homosexual counterpart of George Bush?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jywT8HtHmJ8

[HOLLYWOOD]

Man these Fascist Propagandists sure have a grip on this country, eh. But that's only half the equation,
the other half is the stupidity and ignorance on Americans to buy into the well conjured-up script of BS.


This should help you cope your way through the new regime.

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/antisemitismsplashh.jpg

HTH
Rev9

[Danan]

Going to a 3rd party is where they want us (HELL KRISTOL JUST FUCKING SAID THIS!) they want us to waste away FOREVER in a useless 3rd party that does nothing.


Maybe he uses Reverse psychology though! :p

[NoOneButPaul]

The track record of 3rd parties would suggest otherwise... :)

The 3rd party people are like Ron Paul in the 80s... I understand the frustration. I hate the mainstream GOP quite a lot as well... but I just think the best way to fight them is on the front lines of state and local conventions and then eventually to the nation. The only way to do this is from the ground up because the people who run the status quo do not want any kind of real change to the system. The best part is by the time we get through the GOP the Demorcats will be no match. If we can take back our party we will have defeated our hardest enemy.

Our hardest battle is for the Grand Old Party... once we get it we can encase the world with liberty. We are winning now nearly every important aspect of the big picture but it's the people who, justifiably, are too focused on Ron's candidacy to see it that are leading the 3rd party charge. Risking the foundation we've set for a man who will not and cannot get 270 electoral votes as a 3rd party candidate is just not worth it.

We keep fighting for the party and eventually our age alone will catch up to them, eventually it can be ours and beyond that the sky is the limit.

[Danan]

I wasn't being serious. :)

[Jandrsn21]

3rd Party is not an option. All anyone would be doing is wasting precious time and resources. Continue taking over the GOP, voting, running for office, and informing people. People are feeling discouraged because our silver bullet strategy of getting Ron elected is going badly. However, the real strategy is just beginning and if you think they are having a hard time now containing us, imagine in another 4 years, then another 4 years. Taking back the GOP will be our hardest, yet most rewarding challenge. After the GOP establishment is ousted there is nothing left to stop us. Go third party and you will have to take on laws, media, ballot access, awareness and education, Republicans, Democrats, and literally the whole western establishment. Doesn't sound too smart to me!

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Any Ron Paul supporter who goes wobbly after reading this and votes Romney in the fall, ought to be flogged. - AF

Amen, AF! And yes, Kristol is certainly the definition of douchebag.

[mikeyc90]

As long as U.S. taxpayers don't have to pay for it.

i,m sure liberals wouldn't mind funding a one way ticket to moon for them.