Its Happening....Zombies.

[QuickZ06]

Police kill naked attacker chewing on man's face in Miami street


MIAMI – Miami police and witnesses say that an officer on Saturday fatally shot a naked man who was chewing on the face of another man on a downtown causeway off-ramp.

The Miami Herald reports that gunshots were heard at about 2 p.m. on the MacArthur Causeway off-ramp, which is near the newspaper's offices. Witnesses said that a woman saw two men fighting and flagged down a police officer, who came upon a naked man mauling the other man.

The newspaper quoted witnesses as saying that the officer ordered the naked man to back away, and when he ignored the demand, the officer shot him. Witnesses said that the naked man continued his attack after being shot once, and the officer then shot him several more times.

Police said the other man was transported to Jackson Memorial Hospital Ryder Trauma Center, reportedly for treatment of critical injuries.

The police department confirmed in a news release that there was an officer-related shooting, but did not include many details provided by witnesses to the newspaper.

A police spokesman couldn't be reached for comment by The Associated Press on Saturday evening.

The police news release said the identities of the two men were not known.

A photograph posted on The Herald's website shows an officer standing watch on the ramp next to two police cruisers, with a body lying on a pedestrian walkway. Police requested the newspaper's video surveillance tapes.

The shooting and investigation tied up causeway traffic as crowds were arriving at South Beach for an annual hip-hop festival.

Javier Ortiz, a spokesman for the Fraternal Order of Police in Miami, said that based on information he's received, the officer who fired the shots "is a hero and saved a life."




http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/26/cop-shoots-kills-naked-attacker-in-miami/#ixzz1w5wJuZoa

[belian78]

This is exactly what I thought!! LOL Especially since the cop shot the guy and he just kept on eating, had to shoot him multiple times.

[QuickZ06]

This is exactly what I thought!! LOL Especially since the cop shot the guy and he just kept on eating, had to shoot him multiple times.

Should I buy more ammo? Is it going down, are sirens going off? ahhhhhhh

[belian78]

Well, we did have the incident at Ohare airport recently too. The CDC gets called out and a plane locked down on the tarmack for a sniffle?

[KCIndy]

Brains! BRAAAAIIINNNSSSSSSS!!!!

:D

[Origanalist]

Hip hop will turn you into a zombie.

http://www.jennag.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/zombie-hip-hop-590x445.jpg

[Kluge]

Now that was a reasonable reason for a cop to kill someone.

[John F Kennedy III]

Where's the twinkies?

[JK/SEA]

maybe the victim wanted his face chewed on....a little kinky for me, but its not my call.

[belian78]

Where's the twinkies?
Twinkies = good
Snowballs = bad
:D:toady::D

[Kluge]

Twinkies = good
Snowballs = bad
:D:toady::D

Zingers over all of that rubbish.

[belian78]

Zingers over all of that rubbish.
It's from the movie, Zombieland. lol
*edit*even though zingers are my fav. :D

[slamhead]

Dumb cop. Everyone knows you have to shoot zombies in the head.

[phill4paul]

Javier Ortiz, a spokesman for the Fraternal Order of Police in Miami, said that based on information he's received, the officer who fired the shots "is a hero and saved a life."

Was the life of the L.E.O. ever in danger? Was there even a chance of personal injury? No? Then he is not a 'hero.' Of course the F.O.P. would have us believe that walking out the door makes them a 'hero.'

[robert9712000]

Wait a minute,the guy whos face was being chewed on survived? Don't they realize it might be too late for him.How long once bitten will you turn into a zombie?

[heavenlyboy34]

Dumb cop. Everyone knows you have to shoot zombies in the head.
Between the eyes, specifically. :cool::toady:

[FindLiberty]

L4D2 is a video game... "get to the rescue copter". Make sure Zoie does not get herself ravaged!

[Danke]

Sure it wasn't just a lover's quarrel and they were then later kissing to make up?

[FrankRep]

Remember to Double tap.

[donnay]

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=I4660770239218995&pid=1.1

[FrankRep]

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=I4660770239218995&pid=1.1
Rule #1 Cardio

[MelissaWV]

Was the life of the L.E.O. ever in danger? Was there even a chance of personal injury? No? Then he is not a 'hero.' Of course the F.O.P. would have us believe that walking out the door makes them a 'hero.'

Um?

I would think the guy whose face was being chewed off while lying on an off-ramp was probably in a bit of danger.

[Xhin]

Barring zombies, what would make someone streak and go around biting peoples' faces?

[PaulConventionWV]

Was the life of the L.E.O. ever in danger? Was there even a chance of personal injury? No? Then he is not a 'hero.' Of course the F.O.P. would have us believe that walking out the door makes them a 'hero.'

That doesn't make much sense. Why do you have to be in danger in order to be a hero? I thought heroism was about saving others, not yourself. That's like the opposite of heroism.

I'm not defending the cop. I reserve judgment on him. I'm just challenging your bogus definition of heroism.

[Kluge]

It's from the movie, Zombieland. lol
*edit*even though zingers are my fav. :D

Ohhhh...I need to put some Zombie flicks in the queue.

[Kluge]

Was the life of the L.E.O. ever in danger? Was there even a chance of personal injury? No? Then he is not a 'hero.' Of course the F.O.P. would have us believe that walking out the door makes them a 'hero.'

I think of it this way, "would I shoot the offender to stop the victim from getting his face chewed off?" If my answer is yes, then the cop gets a pass.

My answer is yes. Even though I also would be in no danger.

[MelissaWV]

I think of it this way, "would I shoot the offender to stop the victim from getting his face chewed off?" If my answer is yes, then the cop gets a pass.

My answer is yes. Even though I also would be in no danger.

Well, until the guy finished his first face and wanted dessert.

* * *

Sidenote: Why is this in this subforum?

[angelatc]

This is exactly what I thought!! LOL Especially since the cop shot the guy and he just kept on eating, had to shoot him multiple times.

Dumb ass cop. Everybody knows you have to shoot them in the head.

[angelatc]

Ohhhh...I need to put some Zombie flicks in the queue.

If you haven't seen Zombieland, put it on top. It's really good.

[LibertyRevolution]

WARNING:
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[Icymudpuppy]

Barring zombies, what would make someone streak and go around biting peoples' faces?

Methamphetamine. It does weird things to your brain. In fact, there is little that separates a Meth addict from a Zombie. Truly, it is a sickening drug. While users need all treatment options available, manufacturers and dealers of this poison deserve to be hunted.

[FrankRep]

Methamphetamine. It does weird things to your brain. In fact, there is little that separates a Meth addict from a Zombie. Truly, it is a sickening drug. While users need all treatment options available, manufacturers and dealers of this poison deserve to be hunted.
They also have really clean houses!

[Kluge]

They also have really clean houses!

Aren't they super-skinny and partially toothless too?

[brenton]

WARNING:
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If you have a shitty anti-virus, consider yourself just hit by a drive by :/
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http://onlinelinkscan.com

both of those say it's safe, and my spidey sense isn't tingling. could you provide more details?

(http://onlinelinkscan.com/)

[Occam's Banana]

If you haven't seen Zombieland, put it on top. It's really good.

And "The Walking Dead" (AMC TV series).

And "Dead Snow" (Nazi zombies - 'nuff said).

[phill4paul]

Um?

I would think the guy whose face was being chewed off while lying on an off-ramp was probably in a bit of danger.


That doesn't make much sense. Why do you have to be in danger in order to be a hero? I thought heroism was about saving others, not yourself. That's like the opposite of heroism.

I'm not defending the cop. I reserve judgment on him. I'm just challenging your bogus definition of heroism.


I think of it this way, "would I shoot the offender to stop the victim from getting his face chewed off?" If my answer is yes, then the cop gets a pass.

My answer is yes. Even though I also would be in no danger.


A fire fighter returning to a burning building, after being told to abandon it, and risking his life to save anothers life is a hero. Shooting someone at a distant who is eating someone elses face doesn't qualify for 'hero' status in my book. I think it is an over-used accolade these days and it lessens its meaning.

[Kluge]

A figher fighter returning to a burning building, after being told to abandon it, and risking his life to save anothers life is a hero. Shooting someone at a distant who is eating someone elses face doesn't qualify for 'hero' status in my book. I think it is an over-used accolade these days and it lessens its meaning.

I certainly wouldn't call myself a hero for it.

[phill4paul]

I certainly wouldn't call myself a hero for it.

Nor would I.

[MelissaWV]

I certainly wouldn't call myself a hero for it.

Yeah but if someone did shoot the person who was actively chewing my face off in traffic, I'd probably call that person my hero.

[Kylie]

Barring zombies, what would make someone streak and go around biting peoples' faces?


Angeldust.

Mixed into a joint, you probably wouldn't even know you've done it....until you come out of it and noticed your buddies face is missing.

[Kluge]

Nor would I.

If I were the person getting my face chewed off I might though.

I see I was beat to it:


Yeah but if someone did shoot the person who was actively chewing my face off in traffic, I'd probably call that person my hero.

[The Free Hornet]

While users need all treatment options available, manufacturers and dealers of this poison deserve to be hunted.

Would you hunt them personally or would you cower behind our tax dollars?

[Icymudpuppy]

Would you hunt them personally or would you cower behind our tax dollars?

Give me an open season and I'd do it personally. I do varmint control for a living. I enjoy killing vermin. Two legged rats are still rats.

[Danke]

If I were the person getting my face chewed off I might though.

Some people are so vain.

[Kluge]

Some people are so vain.

Yeah. That's me. Of course if I let him finish chewing off my face, I hear I can get a new one these days. Could be worthwhile.

[pcosmar]

Give me an open season and I'd do it personally. I do varmint control for a living. I enjoy killing vermin. Two legged rats are still rats.

So is the person who gets dosed a villain,, or the person that dosed him?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Finn_%28drugs%29

[Icymudpuppy]

So is the person who gets dosed a villain,, or the person that dosed him?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Finn_%28drugs%29

Go back and read my first post in this thread.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?378492-Its-Happening....Zombies.&p=4453806&viewfull=1#post4453806

[Anti Federalist]

Give me an open season and I'd do it personally. I do varmint control for a living. I enjoy killing vermin. Two legged rats are still rats.

You can start your killing spree in DC, where the first widespread use was started:


Methamphetamine and amphetamine were given to Allied bomber pilots to sustain them by fighting off fatigue and enhancing focus during long flights. The experiment failed because soldiers became agitated, could not channel their aggression and showed impaired judgment.[91] Rather, dextroamphetamine (Dexedrine) became the drug of choice for American bomber pilots, being used on a voluntary basis by roughly half of the United States Air Force pilots during the 1991 Gulf War, a practice which came under some media scrutiny in 2003 after a mistaken attack on Canadian troops

[pacelli]

Did the cops throw the guy some butter at least??

If we're going zombies already, then lets cut 'em off in Florida (kinda like NASA & the space shuttle).

[qh4dotcom]

Weird story...since there are so many forum members speaking out against cops...was the police justified in shooting an unarmed naked man?

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/26/2818832/naked-man-shot-killed-on-macarthur.html

[UMULAS]

Ok I saw this in the bungie.net forums, someone must have gone there...

[pcosmar]

Go back and read my first post in this thread.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?378492-Its-Happening....Zombies.&p=4453806&viewfull=1#post4453806

I read it. I also sold a lot of Pharmaceutical Meth to truckers once upon a time. Did a bit myself. And some of the Biker crank as well.

I never knew of anyone biting peoples faces off.. What makes you so sure it was meth?

I would guess something like Angel Dust is more likely. or perhaps someone it testing something new.

[pcosmar]

You can start your killing spree in DC, where the first widespread use was started:

The Superman pills in Vietnam were a mix of speed and Cocaine.
Great for keeping alert for a couple days,, but would cause psychosis if used for extended periods.

[Danke]

You can start your killing spree in DC, where the first widespread use was started:

I took some "go" pills in the AF. Never wanted to bite someones face off then...but do now. Side effects?

[Revolution9]

Nor would I.

I would call myself.."Rev9..Zombie Killer" and be done with it. Looks much better on a resume than "hero". Especially in the gaming business:)

Rev9

[Liberty4life]

I call shenanigans, "That guy's acting like a zombie, KILL IT"

[oyarde]

I have seen another incident once,in South Florida , sometime ago of some sort of Wendigo living in the sewer tunnels . I would be interested to know if this guy is ever ID'd and would like to see the autopsy report.... Cocaine ? I haveno idea what they are talking about there , that does not make sense...

[Pauls' Revere]

Barring zombies, what would make someone streak and go around biting peoples' faces?

exactly, who gets into a fight with a naked guy on an off ramp?

[mport1]

From the information I have seen thus far, it appears like they actually did the right thing for once. The guy was in the process of murdering someone and after he was shot once, he kept going. Deadly force is justified in the moment to save a life and when all other alternatives have been exhausted.

This doesn't make up for the 99% of awful things they do though. We need competition in the area of protection if we want to actually be protected instead of largely victimized.

[Anti Federalist]

I took some "go" pills in the AF. Never wanted to bite someones face off then...but do now. Side effects?

Interesting theory.

I'm sure you can try it at your trial.

[qh4dotcom]

Now that was a reasonable reason for a cop to kill someone.

Cops are supposed to use their weapon only in self-defense....the cop could have tased the naked man...or shot him in the leg...shoot to kill was supposed to be a last resort option.

[ProIndividual]

Well good thing I've been running my ethics through the prism of The Walking Dead universe...I'm prepared philosophically (and mostly otherwise...lol).

I remember my dad was at the bar with my stepdad and my stepdad was drunk calling my mother all kinds of names. My father asked him three times to stop, that was the mother of his child. He wouldn't shut up. Right or wrong (wrong), my dad took him outside beat him up and brought him back and bought him a drink. When he started to talk more smack about my mom again, my dad took him back outside. My stepdad went to the hospital...my dad bit a hole in his cheek so that you could see through to his teeth. My stepdad never talked smack about my mom again. Plastic surgery fixed his face, and he didn't dare call the cops on my dad (my dad knew all kinds of crooked cops anyways).

But my dad had his clothes on...lol.

[Professor8000]

Cops are supposed to use their weapon only in self-defense....the cop could have tased the naked man...or shot him in the leg...shoot to kill was supposed to be a last resort option.

While use of force laws vary with each state, here in Texas is it lawful for someone to use deadly force in defense of another person as long as the person being defended would be justified in using deadly force in self defense.

[Professor8000]

or shot him in the leg...shoot to kill was supposed to be a last resort option.

When using deadly force, it is appropriate to attempt to kill the individual you are attacking. Attempting to use deadly force in a non lethal manner is dangerous and can create liabilities that are not worth the trouble.

[AdelaideGUy]

5/16: McArthur High School HazMat Situation: Students, Teachers Decontaminated After Breaking Out In Rash
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/16/mcarthur-high-school-contamination_n_1521764.html

5/19: No confirmation on chemical at Fort Lauderdale International Airport
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/terminal-2-evacuated-at-fort-lauderdale-airport-in-hazmat-scare

5/21: Police: Man bites woman in Westchester
http://www.mysuburbanlife.com/westchester/newsnow/x639948018/Police-Man-bites-woman-in-Westchester

5/23: I-285 reopens after hazmat incident
http://www.wesh.com/r/31112110/detail.html

5/23: Man Bites Cousin's Nose Off
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Man-Bites-Cousins-Nose-Off-153100125.html

5/24: Second Broward school reports mystery rash
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/24/2815003/second-broward-school-reports.html

5/25: Hazmat Called After Kids Exposed To Pesticide On Bus: Hazmat, EMS Respond To Lake County, FL School
http://www.wesh.com/r/31112110/detail.html

5/25: 'Disoriented' passenger subdued on flight in Miami
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/25/passenger-restrained-on-flight-to-miami-arrested/

5/26: Naked Man Allegedly Eating Victim's Face Shot And Killed By Miami Police
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/26/naked-man-eating-victims-face-killed-miami_n_1548359.html

5/26: Florida Doctor Spits Blood at Highway Patrolmen After DUI Arrest
http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-doctor-spits-blood-troopers-face-dui-arrest/story?id=16436402

5/27: Georgia contractor bites Lowe's employees, resists arrest
http://columbus.wtvm.com/news/crime/54763-contractor-bites-lowes-employees-resists-arrest

[Kluge]

Cops are supposed to use their weapon only in self-defense....the cop could have tased the naked man...or shot him in the leg...shoot to kill was supposed to be a last resort option.

He did non-lethally shoot him. He kept biting the guy's face off, even after being shot. Cops are allowed to defend other people too, you know.

[teacherone]

He did non-lethally shoot him. He kept biting the guy's face off, even after being shot. Cops are allowed to defend other people too, you know. Phobias cannot be treated with mere logic.

[specsaregood]

Phobias cannot be treated with mere logic.
Technically speaking; I think you mean to say, "cannot be treated successfully" as one could treat a phobia with mere logic.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Cops are supposed to use their weapon only in self-defense....the cop could have tased the naked man...or shot him in the leg...shoot to kill was supposed to be a last resort option.

Not sure about cops, but according to FL law, a citizen probably could have legally done such. (I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, obviously.)

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/self_defense.html


Chapter 776 was amended by the Legislature in 2005. The changes that took effect on October 1, 2005, extended the provisions of what is known as the “Castle Doctrine,” declaring that a person has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force if that force is necessary to prevent death, great bodily harm or the commission of a forcible felony.

[LibertyRevolution]

LibertyRevolution
WARNING:
Virus alert was set off by this thread for link as stated...

If you have a shitty anti-virus, consider yourself just hit by a drive by :/


https://www.virustotal.com/url/ec96de2b71b7ffbb6f7bdd1585bf84822c606ad50702c6ae5b 5b265e004682ed/analysis/1338159791/
http://onlinelinkscan.com

both of those say it's safe, and my spidey sense isn't tingling. could you provide more details?

(http://onlinelinkscan.com/)

Who ever linked to the bad link has removed it since then, viewing this thread no longer generates that block and message.
That link on the other hand is still marked as bad by NOD32.

I thought the screenshot was pretty clear...
NOD32 has Blocked: 78.47.137.150:80
"funny-pics-fun.com/wp-content/uploads/Funny-Zombie-Run-For-Your-Life-4.jpg"
The entire domain is marked as a known malware installer...

"The web page is on the list of websites with potentially dangerous content."

This better?:
http://i923.photobucket.com/albums/ad73/Lookin4SVX/wtflook.png

I mean look, I go to the pic link to look at the pic and see what happens ^^
Nod32 instantly blocks an .ico file from downloading..
Did I click on a link to download an .ico file? Nope, I just pasted the .jpg link into my address bar.
So why is it serving me an .ico file? Oh I know, because its a malware installing site...
Anyways, browse safe!

[pcosmar]

Anyways, browse safe!

Found the problem.. in the lower left of your screenshot.

http://taylorrockhill.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/windows_7_orb_icon_by_skyangels.png

[patriot2008]

This is nothing yet, 2012 has just started. Who needs to watch scary movies anymore?

[pcosmar]

http://funny-pics-fun.com/wp-content/uploads/Funny-Zombie-Run-For-Your-Life-3-665x532.jpg

[patriot2008]

http://funny-pics-fun.com/wp-content/uploads/Funny-Zombie-Run-For-Your-Life-3-665x532.jpg

Now scared of going to Tampa. Romney DOES HAVE some supporters after all!

[impaleddead]

I took some "go" pills in the AF. Never wanted to bite someones face off then...but do now. Side effects? Let me know how you're feeling after your 100th go pill after being awake for 5 days.

[libertyjam]

http://www.naturalnews.com/035990_zombie_apocalypse_Miami_police.html

Apparently both men (chewer and chewie) were naked, even link to a pic in above link.

[PaulConventionWV]

A fire fighter returning to a burning building, after being told to abandon it, and risking his life to save anothers life is a hero. Shooting someone at a distant who is eating someone elses face doesn't qualify for 'hero' status in my book. I think it is an over-used accolade these days and it lessens its meaning.

What's the actual definition aside from your touchy feely ideas about it, though?

[Victor Grey]

Justified unjustified crack about a mile wide.

Don't go nuts and chew on people's faces.

Bad **** will happen to you.
This is reality.

[Kluge]

Just as an FYI to anyone who's curious:

If someone is chewing my face off, please shoot them. Multiple times if necessary.

Thanks in advance, and I'll do the same for you.

[phill4paul]

What's the actual definition aside from your touchy feely ideas about it, though?

Look to the etymology of the word, where it comes from and its use in current context, and you will better understand my point of view.

[Danke]

Just as an FYI to anyone who's curious:

If someone is chewing my face off, please shoot them. Multiple times if necessary.

Thanks in advance, and I'll do the same for you.

When I smeared peanut butter on that homeless guys face, I did it for shits and giggles. I figure a stray dog would eventually come by and he would be awoken by the dog licking his face. ...I had no idea. :eek:

[brushfire]

I read it. I also sold a lot of Pharmaceutical Meth to truckers once upon a time. Did a bit myself. And some of the Biker crank as well.

I never knew of anyone biting peoples faces off.. What makes you so sure it was meth?

Home cooked? Its probably not too far off. Anything made of match tips, alkaline batteries, and sudafed, has to go wrong somewhere.
Severe addiction and chronic use may contribute. There have been documented cases of strange happenings like this after 3 binges on meth.

All kinds of people react all kinds of ways, I guess.

[belian78]

Back in my college days I had a girl that, unbeknownst to me at the time, was big into meth. I didnt hear from her for 3 days, then she showed up at my place at like, 3 in the morning looking like a walking corpse wanting to hang out. I was reading 'The Queen of the Damned' by Anne Rice, and somehow that made me a real vampire that was reading up on what mortals thought of us. (even though I had went to an all day out-door festival with her just two weeks before.

[pcosmar]

Home cooked? Its probably not too far off. Anything made of match tips, alkaline batteries, and sudafed, has to go wrong somewhere.
Severe addiction and chronic use may contribute. There have been documented cases of strange happenings like this after 3 binges on meth.

All kinds of people react all kinds of ways, I guess.

Well I also have had experience with PCP (Angel Dust), and would think that or something similar would be a more likely substance.
I don't know about some of the newer "designer drugs",, or what may be being developed and tested on folks.

Mass drugging of the population has been a government wet dream for a long time.. Who knows?

[tod evans]

The Superman pills in Vietnam were a mix of speed and Cocaine.
Great for keeping alert for a couple days,, but would cause psychosis if used for extended periods.

"Alert packs".........There where pallets of 'em in the basement at NRMC.

I never knew anybody to freak out unless they stayed up for days....And blaming a drug is kind of stupid....Like blaming a gun.

I suppose it's easier for folks to blame "drugs" than people.....

[brushfire]

"Alert packs"And blaming a drug is kind of stupid....Like blaming a gun.


Its easier to attack the inanimate than combat issues intellectually. I've found that many people who advocate control of the inanimate are either whacked out absolutists, or folks who have a very low outlook on human beings (iow humans are too stupid to be taught).

The best approach, IMO, is education. Whether it be gun safety/awareness, teen pregnancy, or drugs. Yes there will be stupid people who still try to chew off the faces of the innocent, but there will be a great deal less in terms of the ripple effects of unintended consequences (i.e. drug cartels, gangs, prison overpopulation, designer drugs - crack/meth/bath salts/penny shine/ etc etc...)

[pcosmar]

Home cooked?
Yeah,, that's what "Biker Crank" is.


"Alert packs".........There where pallets of 'em in the basement at NRMC.

I never knew anybody to freak out unless they stayed up for days....And blaming a drug is kind of stupid....Like blaming a gun.

I suppose it's easier for folks to blame "drugs" than people.....

Wasn't "blaming the Drug" really. But commenting on a side effect of over use.

Speed,, of any type is a useful drug is several situations.
I was commenting on the effect of over use. Sleep deprivation also causes temporary Psychosis. And Hallucination.

I have found various "speed" compounds useful for short periods.(driving long distance or working extended shifts). But have always limited my used and taken time to recover from it.
(sleep and vitamins,,especially C)

Some folks with addictive tenancies will abuse anything they get their hands on.
But they are not everyone.

[tod evans]

Wasn't "blaming the Drug" really. But commenting on a side effect of over use.

.

I knew that.......others were though.

[Revolution9]

Cops are supposed to use their weapon only in self-defense....the cop could have tased the naked man...or shot him in the leg...shoot to kill was supposed to be a last resort option.

I'lda killed him. He was demon possessed and unlikely to recover. You do not eat peoples face without being non-human. But my badge say "Van Helsing Division" on it.

Someone mentioned the wendingo. Yes. They work just as this incident did. Remember the guy in the prairie province a year or two back that decapitated somebody on a greyhound bus in seconds. He was wendingo possessed. The Indians of the area knew of these possessions going far back into the memory of their tribe. They are regular people and then they get possessed by the wendingo and become cannibals and what we call serial killers. He claims that the fellow he killed was an alien. Typical projection into the mind to make the perp see himself as the victim and what he is the other becomes in the possessed state.

Rev9

[enjerth]

Sounds like reavers.

[Working Poor]

Has it been verified that the guy who was eating that person's face was on some kind of drug? I hope it was a drug that caused it but what if it was not a drug? Will the guy who's face was eaten be at risk for the same type of behavior?

[pcosmar]

Will the guy who's face was eaten be at risk for the same type of behavior?

Not till the next full moon.
/s

[oyarde]

I'lda killed him. He was demon possessed and unlikely to recover. You do not eat peoples face without being non-human. But my badge say "Van Helsing Division" on it.

Someone mentioned the wendingo. Yes. They work just as this incident did. Remember the guy in the prairie province a year or two back that decapitated somebody on a greyhound bus in seconds. He was wendingo possessed. The Indians of the area knew of these possessions going far back into the memory of their tribe. They are regular people and then they get possessed by the wendingo and become cannibals and what we call serial killers. He claims that the fellow he killed was an alien. Typical projection into the mind to make the perp see himself as the victim and what he is the other becomes in the possessed state.

Rev9 Definately a Wendigo.

[Working Poor]

Does anyone think the eaters bodily fluids have not been analyzed yet? Why has there not been any confirmation on the possibility that the man was on drugs

[PaulineDisciple]

Well we know the CIA has a history of testing drugs on people and the fact that both of these guys were naked smacks of some kind of sick drug experiment. The problem with this theory is that if it's true that this was some kind of new drug used on both of these men to see what happens, it will never be allowed to be reported on in the media.

[ZENemy]

Quick, we must BAN teeth!

[oyarde]

Quick, we must BAN teeth! I may have been places where they are ..... not a good idea :)

[phill4paul]

Quick, we must BAN teeth!

Harvey Dillard was ever the outlaw...

https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRYJpm3n-M_KWagUFcdj5vbkJwv6fiRO6xGt0emG62k2SR0DUBsjA

[xFiFtyOnE]

Things that make you go hmmm...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47458149/ns/local_news-orlando_fl/t/stolen-medical-equipment-may-be-diseased/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creutzfeldt%E2%80%93Jakob_disease

Signs and symptoms
The first symptom of CJD is rapidly progressive dementia, leading to memory loss, personality changes and hallucinations. This is accompanied by physical problems such as speech impairment, jerky movements (myoclonus), balance and coordination dysfunction (ataxia), changes in gait, rigid posture, and seizures. The duration of the disease varies greatly, but sporadic (non-inherited) CJD can be fatal within months or even weeks (Johnson, 1998). In some people, the symptoms can continue for years. In most patients, these symptoms are followed by involuntary movements and the appearance of an atypical diagnostic electroencephalogram tracing. Most victims die six months after initial symptoms appear, often of pneumonia due to impaired coughing reflexes. About 15% of patients survive two or more years.[11]

The symptoms of CJD are caused by the progressive death of the brain's nerve cells, which is associated with the build-up of abnormal prion proteins forming amyloids. When brain tissue from a CJD patient is examined under a microscope, many tiny holes can be seen where whole areas of nerve cells have died. The word "spongiform" in "transmissible spongiform encephalopathies" refers to the sponge-like appearance of the brain tissue.

Transmission
The defective protein can be transmitted by contaminated harvested human brain products, Immunoglobulins (IVIG), corneal grafts, dural grafts or electrode implants (acquired or iatrogenic form: iCJD); it can be inherited (hereditary or familial form: fCJD); or it may appear for the first time in the patient (sporadic form: sCJD). In the hereditary form, a mutation occurs in the gene for PrP, PRNP. Ten to 15 percent of CJD cases are inherited. (CDC)

The disease has also been shown to result from use of Human Growth Hormone obtained from the pituitary glands of persons who died from Creutzfeldt–Jakob Disease,[16] though the known incidence of this cause is (as of April 2004) quite small. The risk of infection via cadaveric HGH in the US ceased when the medication was withdrawn in 1985.

It is thought[citation needed] that humans can contract the disease by consuming material from animals infected with the bovine form of the disease. The only suspected cases to arise thus far have been vCJD, although there are fears—based on animal studies[17]—that consuming beef or beef products containing prion particles can also cause the development of classic CJD. When BSE material infects humans, the resulting disease is known as (new) variant CJD (nvCJD).[13]

Cannibalism has also been implicated as a transmission mechanism for abnormal prions, causing the disease known as kuru, once found primarily among women and children of the Fore people in Papua New Guinea. While the men of the tribe ate the body of the deceased and rarely contracted the disease, the women and children, who ate the less desirable body parts, including the brain, were 8 times more likely than men to contract kuru from infected tissue.

Prions, the infectious agent of CJD, may not be inactivated by means of routine surgical instrument sterilization procedures. The World Health Organization and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommend that instrumentation used in such cases be immediately destroyed after use; short of destruction, it is recommended that heat and chemical decontamination be used in combination to process instruments that come in contact with high-infectivity tissues. No cases of iatrogenic transmission of CJD have been reported subsequent to the adoption of current sterilization procedures, or since 1976.[18][19][20] Copper–hydrogen peroxide has been suggested as an alternative to the current recommendation of sodium hydroxide or sodium hypochlorite.[21] Thermal depolymerization also destroys prions in infected organic and inorganic matter, since the process chemically attacks protein at the molecular level.




Real life zombie virus?

[Athan]

Should I buy more ammo? Is it going down, are sirens going off? ahhhhhhh
Buddy, there is NO WAY a zombie apocolypes is going to happen in America. Just a hint of such a possible illness and you'll have every American trying to get a personal kill in. Think of the gold rush. Now think of it with millions of prospectors, armed to the teeth, sporting all sorts of crazy vehicles, and a WHOLE lot of rednecks.

There would be no possible way for the zombies to grow in sustainable numbers.

[Bruno]

Does anyone think the eaters bodily fluids have not been analyzed yet? Why has there not been any confirmation on the possibility that the man was on drugs

There is no confirmation as far as I know, but the police spokesperson has blamed "the new LSD" for it, which has been mentioned as 'bath salts". He then states that it "melts your internal organs."

I've read that bath salts are very bad news, but what is worse is when as a LEO you lie about the actual effects of a drug, people hear that it is a lie, then try it without really knowing truth from reality. And of course, your state of mind at the time and the company you do drugs with also has a lot to do with your experience, regardless of what drug you are inducing, including alcohol.

[libertyjam]

Things that make you go hmmm...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47458149/ns/local_news-orlando_fl/t/stolen-medical-equipment-may-be-diseased/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creutzfeldt%E2%80%93Jakob_disease

Signs and symptoms
The first symptom of CJD is rapidly progressive dementia, leading to memory loss, personality changes and hallucinations. This is accompanied by physical problems such as speech impairment, jerky movements (myoclonus), balance and coordination dysfunction (ataxia), changes in gait, rigid posture, and seizures. The duration of the disease varies greatly, but sporadic (non-inherited) CJD can be fatal within months or even weeks (Johnson, 1998). In some people, the symptoms can continue for years. In most patients, these symptoms are followed by involuntary movements and the appearance of an atypical diagnostic electroencephalogram tracing. Most victims die six months after initial symptoms appear, often of pneumonia due to impaired coughing reflexes. About 15% of patients survive two or more years.[11]

The symptoms of CJD are caused by the progressive death of the brain's nerve cells, which is associated with the build-up of abnormal prion proteins forming amyloids. When brain tissue from a CJD patient is examined under a microscope, many tiny holes can be seen where whole areas of nerve cells have died. The word "spongiform" in "transmissible spongiform encephalopathies" refers to the sponge-like appearance of the brain tissue.

Transmission
The defective protein can be transmitted by contaminated harvested human brain products, Immunoglobulins (IVIG), corneal grafts, dural grafts or electrode implants (acquired or iatrogenic form: iCJD); it can be inherited (hereditary or familial form: fCJD); or it may appear for the first time in the patient (sporadic form: sCJD). In the hereditary form, a mutation occurs in the gene for PrP, PRNP. Ten to 15 percent of CJD cases are inherited. (CDC)

The disease has also been shown to result from use of Human Growth Hormone obtained from the pituitary glands of persons who died from Creutzfeldt–Jakob Disease,[16] though the known incidence of this cause is (as of April 2004) quite small. The risk of infection via cadaveric HGH in the US ceased when the medication was withdrawn in 1985.

It is thought[citation needed] that humans can contract the disease by consuming material from animals infected with the bovine form of the disease. The only suspected cases to arise thus far have been vCJD, although there are fears—based on animal studies[17]—that consuming beef or beef products containing prion particles can also cause the development of classic CJD. When BSE material infects humans, the resulting disease is known as (new) variant CJD (nvCJD).[13]

Cannibalism has also been implicated as a transmission mechanism for abnormal prions, causing the disease known as kuru, once found primarily among women and children of the Fore people in Papua New Guinea. While the men of the tribe ate the body of the deceased and rarely contracted the disease, the women and children, who ate the less desirable body parts, including the brain, were 8 times more likely than men to contract kuru from infected tissue.

Prions, the infectious agent of CJD, may not be inactivated by means of routine surgical instrument sterilization procedures. The World Health Organization and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommend that instrumentation used in such cases be immediately destroyed after use; short of destruction, it is recommended that heat and chemical decontamination be used in combination to process instruments that come in contact with high-infectivity tissues. No cases of iatrogenic transmission of CJD have been reported subsequent to the adoption of current sterilization procedures, or since 1976.[18][19][20] Copper–hydrogen peroxide has been suggested as an alternative to the current recommendation of sodium hydroxide or sodium hypochlorite.[21] Thermal depolymerization also destroys prions in infected organic and inorganic matter, since the process chemically attacks protein at the molecular level.




Real life zombie virus?

MAd Cows or Mad Science http://free-news.org/fintuk01.htm
Still no Beef to Mad Cow Mania http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,107188,00.html

[DamianTV]

Q: What do Vegetarian Zombies eat?
A: Graaaaiiiiiiins!

So if a person is a vegetarian before being turned into a zombie, then is turned into a zombie, would they become a vegetarian zombie? Would they prefer Brains or Grains?

Q: What do obsessive compulsive zombies hate more than anything else?
A: Staaaaaiiiiins!

Q: What type of underwear is preferred by nine out of ten zombies?
A: Hanes!

Q: If there were such a thing as a zombie lion, what would stay the same?
A: Manes!

Any others?

[oyarde]

No cure for the KURU , most die , those who do not are immune.

[oyarde]

Wendigo is a Wendigo .........

[WhistlinDave]

There is no confirmation as far as I know, but the police spokesperson has blamed "the new LSD" for it, which has been mentioned as 'bath salts". He then states that it "melts your internal organs."

I've read that bath salts are very bad news, but what is worse is when as a LEO you lie about the actual effects of a drug, people hear that it is a lie, then try it without really knowing truth from reality. And of course, your state of mind at the time and the company you do drugs with also has a lot to do with your experience, regardless of what drug you are inducing, including alcohol.

I heard on the news it was bath salts as well. I don't know much about this... My knowledge of drugs and music are kind of similar... If I wasn't into them 20 years ago I may have heard of them but don't really know all that much and generally assume they suck.

[speciallyblend]

bath salts a creation of the failed drug war prohibition. Outlawing bath salts will solve the problem(please note sarcasm).

[Working Poor]

bath salts a creation of the failed drug war prohibition. Outlawing bath salts will solve the problem(please note sarcasm).

Is it a ploy to come down harder on bath salts?

Gosh this face eating thing really concerns me.

[pcosmar]

Is it a ploy to come down harder on bath salts?

Gosh this face eating thing really concerns me.

Afraid of Losing Face?
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lose_face

[tod evans]

Hard decision for these morons.....

Make drugs that are enjoyable legal or make drugs that aren't enjoyable illegal too....

More money to be made by more illegal drugs.

[oyarde]

Bath salts , Epson salt , whatever , that does not cause people to eat the living .

[gwax23]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh_nZiuFC4o

Bath salts are crazy scary. what is the appeal of this drug? It makes you insane? Skip ahead in the video to see the guy.

Also this whole story is very disturbing. I havent been able to stop thinking about this since I heard it on the news. I need more details on what happened.

Also did anyone see the pictures of the victim? There online. Absolutely horrific. They say he lost 75% of his face. How do you even measure that? In the photo all that is left is the guys beard.

Whats the world coming too.

[Vessol]

Bath salts can really fuck you up, I dunno about eating face fucked up, but the naked part is definitely true. This past summer when I was working at a gas station, I had to call the cops to get a man who was naked and hiding in the bushes at 2am screaming about how he found blueberries.

As to making them illegal, you all know my thoughts on Statism and Prohibition. However, it's definitely a drug that fucks people up. I'd argue that the cop in this one instance was right in his use of force in defense.

[tod evans]

Wonder if it'll cross the minds of any of the brain surgeons writing legislation that "psycho-boy" might have chose another method to get high if there were more legal/cheap options?

[QuickZ06]

Bath salts can really fuck you up, I dunno about eating face fucked up, but the naked part is definitely true. This past summer when I was working at a gas station, I had to call the cops to get a man who was naked and hiding in the bushes at 2am screaming about how he found blueberries.

As to making them illegal, you all know my thoughts on Statism and Prohibition. However, it's definitely a drug that fucks people up. I'd argue that the cop in this one instance was right in his use of force in defense.

Whats funny (well not really) is this drug would have never of been known, made up, produced or even wanted, whatever if there was not a "war on drugs". Now kids and even adults are resorting to legal stuff, like bath salts, genius......and ripping each others heads off. So not only are we wasting billions and only stopping 1% of the drug trade in doing so. We now have legal drugs which are worse than the illegal ones.

[coastie]

Ive heard/read now 3 different drugs involved since this happened...First it was coke, then it was bath salts and now my wife was reading off to me toady while working on the car that it was some kind of new bad LSD. I have no links, on phone right now.

I would like to know what LEGAL pharmaceutical he injested that day, as those are FAR more likely to cause that type of reaction.

[tod evans]

Whats funny (well not really) is this drug would have never of been known, made up, produced or even wanted, whatever if there was not a "war on drugs". Now kids and even adults are resorting to legal stuff, like bath salts, genius......and ripping each others heads off. So not only are we wasting billions and only stopping 1% of the drug trade in doing so. We now have legal drugs which are worse than the illegal ones.

We're stupid!

They've already given their answer; "Just say no".

Don't like it.........Off to the cross-bar hotel.

[DamianTV]

But "Just say no" doesnt mean "Just say no", it means "Just say no unless it has been prescribed, in which case you will be tazered and / or beaten for not just saying Just say YES to forced Prescription Drugs."

[Perry]

MDPV

[r3volution]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh_nZiuFC4o

Bath salts are crazy scary. what is the appeal of this drug? It makes you insane? Skip ahead in the video to see the guy.

Also this whole story is very disturbing. I havent been able to stop thinking about this since I heard it on the news. I need more details on what happened.

Also did anyone see the pictures of the victim? There online. Absolutely horrific. They say he lost 75% of his face. How do you even measure that? In the photo all that is left is the guys beard.

Whats the world coming too. wow , that was worse than i thought it would be . he literally ate his entire face including his nose . warning , if you look for that pic be prepared . its very very bad , and this is coming from someone that likes gore movies .

[gwax23]

wow , that was worse than i thought it would be . he literally ate his entire face including his nose . warning , if you look for that pic be prepared . its very very bad , and this is coming from someone that likes gore movies .

Agreed. I can like the pics here if its okay. I dont know forum rules regarding that kind of gore.

He has no face. You can barely make out his eye.

[Kluge]

Agreed. I can like the pics here if its okay. I dont know forum rules regarding that kind of gore.

He has no face. You can barely make out his eye.

Won't look. Poor guy--I'll be shocked if he survives. :(

[Danke]

Won't look. Poor guy--I'll be shocked if he survives. :(

Did I miss something? No face eating in that link.

[Danke]

wow, found it: Warning don't look if you are squeamish. I'm thinking I may be a "hate crime." Where is the out cry?



http://socialmediaseo.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/miami-zombie-lesson.jpg

[Kluge]

wow, found it: Warning don't look if you are squeamish. I'm thinking I may be a "hate crime." Where is the out cry?



http://socialmediaseo.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/miami-zombie-lesson.jpg

Still won't look. I think I read that this guy isn't his first victim though. Don't know if all his victims are white or not.

ETA: Think I'm wrong about that.

[Danke]

Still won't look. I think I read that this guy isn't his first victim though. Don't know if all his victims are white or not.

ETA: Think I'm wrong about that.

When i lived in Japan, fish head were popular, I wonder if it is an acquired taste?

[Kluge]

When i lived in Japan, fish head were popular, I wonder if it is an acquired taste?

Could be...but it's said that the best part of a fish is the "cheek," which is probably considered part of the head.

[Carson]

//

[heavenlyboy34]

//
Who'da thunk this zombie apocalypse thing would become bump-worthy? :eek:

[Roxi]

Okay now seriously...

Woman kills and eats her baby's face and brain

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32171926/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/investigators-stunned-child-dismemberment/#.T8de87C0zZA

[tod evans]

They're blaming postpartum depression in the article...

Wonder if "they're" going to push for hormonal legislation or a ban on uteruss?

Then again some folks are just nuts.....How about mandatory psych evaluations to live in the US?

And......This "stuff" is the news folks......... Never mind we're blowing up people on the other side of the globe with remote control missiles or that the dollar is imploding.....It's all about cannibalism...


Okay now seriously...

Woman kills and eats her baby's face and brain

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32171926/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/investigators-stunned-child-dismemberment/#.T8de87C0zZA

[Kluge]

Okay now seriously...

Woman kills and eats her baby's face and brain

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32171926/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/investigators-stunned-child-dismemberment/#.T8de87C0zZA

&$(&$#@@@"::^%# What the hell? I am not reading that.

[Danke]

&$(&$#@@@"::^%# What the hell? I am not reading that.

Ya, that's taking the Paleo Diet a bit too far.

[oyarde]

Okay now seriously...

Woman kills and eats her baby's face and brain

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32171926/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/investigators-stunned-child-dismemberment/#.T8de87C0zZA Typical Wendigo type profile , behaviour .

[Revolution9]

Typical Wendigo type profile , behaviour .

There are more things that cannot be seen than can. This is certain.

Rev9

[Kluge]

Ya, that's taking the Paleo Diet a bit too far.

Don't make me laugh at tragedies. Would that fall under the category of schaudenfreude, or is that beyond?

[pcosmar]

Don't make me laugh at tragedies. Would that fall under the category of schaudenfreude, or is that beyond?

Gallows Humor.

[r3volution]

Okay now seriously...

Woman kills and eats her baby's face and brain

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32171926/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/investigators-stunned-child-dismemberment/#.T8de87C0zZA sheesh , missed that 1 in 09 .

[farreri]

He must have smoked a lot of pot, because that's what the pro-drug war people think will happen if marijuana is legal, we'll all start turning into "zombies." ;)

[heavenlyboy34]

Victims of zombies are supposed to turn into zombies too, right? Keep us posted if the victims of these attacks rise from the grave and start going on the attack.

[Working Poor]

Victims of zombies are supposed to turn into zombies too, right? Keep us posted if the victims of these attacks rise from the grave and start going on the attack.

I bet the health care workers are concerned about the victim rising up and doing the same thing that was done to him. I know I would be concerned about it if I was taking care of him.

You know it still has not been confirmed that he was on some type of drug. Only speculation right now. I cannot believe that they did not push the tox screen thru by now.

[r3volution]

2 more :eek:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/maryland-killer-eats-victim-678923

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4349654/Cannibal-on-run-after-chopping-up-man-warned-The-Sun-I-cant-stop-killing.html

[r3volution]

up

[heavenlyboy34]

2 more :eek:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/maryland-killer-eats-victim-678923

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4349654/Cannibal-on-run-after-chopping-up-man-warned-The-Sun-I-cant-stop-killing.html:eek: :eek: :eek:

[wrestlingwes_8]

The mods continually move informative threads to Hot Topics but allow this one to stay for over 140 posts?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtfCRaNg5EU

[MelissaWV]

Did you report it? :rolleyes:

[xFiFtyOnE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh_nZiuFC4o

Bath salts are crazy scary. what is the appeal of this drug? It makes you insane? Skip ahead in the video to see the guy.

Also this whole story is very disturbing. I havent been able to stop thinking about this since I heard it on the news. I need more details on what happened.

Also did anyone see the pictures of the victim? There online. Absolutely horrific. They say he lost 75% of his face. How do you even measure that? In the photo all that is left is the guys beard.

Whats the world coming too.

Alot of the crap they were showing on that youtube video was not "bath salts". It was "herbal incense". Both are equally probably bad for you but I know from experience that "herbal incense" doesn't make you crazy. It mimics marijuana usage symptoms. I think the "bath salts" are suppose to be hallucinogens, I'm not really sure. I just want people to stop confusing the two! ;)

[Jingles]

I've been playing soooo much DayZ? Anyone else here been playing this Arma II:CO mod?

[WhistlinDave]

The Dumb And Dangerous Anti-Drug Propaganda In The Miami Zombie Story (Alternet Article) (http://www.alternet.org/story/155671/the_dumb_and_dangerous_anti-drug_propaganda_in_the_miami_zombie_story?page=ent ire)

[r3volution]

Alot of the crap they were showing on that youtube video was not "bath salts". It was "herbal incense". Both are equally probably bad for you but I know from experience that "herbal incense" doesn't make you crazy. It mimics marijuana usage symptoms. I think the "bath salts" are suppose to be hallucinogens, I'm not really sure. I just want people to stop confusing the two! ;) they both make you hallucinate , i think that is why people get them confused . 1 looks like salt and the other looks like potpourri , neither are anything like smoking weed . i wish people would stop comparing them to weed or calling them "synthetic marijuana" . even my local news keeps calling it that .

[tod evans]

Only stuff that ever gave me true hallucinations was 25 and peyote, shrooms even in large doses never caused me to see things other than trails.

"The News" plays on their own purpose generated fear of "drugs" and there's not much anyone can do for those who fall for it.


they both make you hallucinate , i think that is why people get them confused . 1 looks like salt and the other looks like potpourri , neither are anything like smoking weed . i wish people would stop comparing them to weed or calling them "synthetic marijuana" . even my local news keeps calling it that .

[Jingles]

Can I rant here? I don't use drugs anymore, but this is all being blamed on "bath salts". Which basically a legal way for headshops and etc... to sell mdpv and 4mmc without restrictions from the state because they label it as "not for human consummation". I've done both of these drugs in large amounts and/or long periods time. I never ate faces or etc... MDPV is basically meth without euphoria. It isn't fun, but being stimmed the hell out doesn't case violence (maybe it involves a lot of talking/analyzing your life, but not violence). 4mmc is is a stim with some effect similar to mdma (Some stim effects, but has many entactogenic effects). Drugs do not cause violence crazy people do.

Then there is the whole "HE WAS ON PCP" stereotype. PCP does not cause violence or cannibalism. I have smoked quite a bit of pcp in my day and have had nothing but fun on the substance. Drugs don't cause violence people do. I always laugh at people who blame things on drugs that have never even done the drugs they are blaming...

[r3volution]

Can I rant here? I don't use drugs anymore, but this is all being blamed on "bath salts". Which basically a legal way for headshops and etc... to sell mdpv and 4mmc without restrictions from the state because they label it as "not for human consummation". I've done both of these drugs in large amounts and/or long periods time. I never ate faces or etc... MDPV is basically meth without euphoria. It isn't fun, but being stimmed the hell out doesn't case violence (maybe it involves a lot of talking/analyzing your life, but not violence). 4mmc is is a stim with some effect similar to mdma (Some stim effects, but has many entactogenic effects). Drugs do not cause violence crazy people do.

Then there is the whole "HE WAS ON PCP" stereotype. PCP does not cause violence or cannibalism. I have smoked quite a bit of pcp in my day and have had nothing but fun on the substance. Drugs don't cause violence people do. I always laugh at people who blame things on drugs that have never even done the drugs they are blaming... well said . there is a lot of miss-info out there and most of it is intentional .

[heavenlyboy34]

The mods continually move informative threads to Hot Topics but allow this one to stay for over 140 posts?

CONSPIRACY!!!

[jmdrake]

Weird story...since there are so many forum members speaking out against cops...was the police justified in shooting an unarmed naked man?

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/26/2818832/naked-man-shot-killed-on-macarthur.html

For the record, I've never seen anyone here complain about the police using deadly force against someone who was actively in the process of killing or seriously hurting someone else. But hey, what's a little hyperbole among friends right? :rolleyes: What most people don't accept are the "Well that middle aged school teacher who was driving away from the cop might have attacked someone later and chewed his face off" arguments.

[Carson]

http://photos.imageevent.com/stokeybob/morestuff/excid_928DCD8FE6424F708D70FADD2B5FAA9Eatcarsonblhv 72sj.jpg

[QuickZ06]

The mods continually move informative threads to Hot Topics but allow this one to stay for over 140 posts?


They have moved it back and forth twice............

[xFiFtyOnE]

they both make you hallucinate , i think that is why people get them confused . 1 looks like salt and the other looks like potpourri , neither are anything like smoking weed . i wish people would stop comparing them to weed or calling them "synthetic marijuana" . even my local news keeps calling it that .

The herbal incense doesn't make you hallucinate and it's very similar to weed. I've tried over a dozen different brands and haven't tripped out, hallucinated or ate anyones face yet. You must be getting bad stuff.

[WhistlinDave]

The Dumb and Dangerous Anti-Drug Propaganda in the Miami Zombie Story (http://www.alternet.org/story/155671/the_dumb_and_dangerous_anti-drug_propaganda_in_the_miami_zombie_story?page=ent ire)


The Dumb and Dangerous Anti-Drug Propaganda in the Miami Zombie Story
By Kristen Gwynne, AlterNet
Posted on May 31, 2012, Printed on June 6, 2012
http://www.alternet.org/story/155671/the_dumb_and_dangerous_anti-drug_propaganda_in_the_miami_zombie_story

Rarely does a story excite the media as much as a scary drug story -- a person supposedly crazed and made violent by some mysterious concoction. The problem is these stories, often hugely hysterical, are rarely true, and spread dangerous misinformation about drugs, which is surely the case with the so-called "Miami Zombie."

Media outlets are reporting that Rudy Eugene, a.k.a. the "Miami Zombie," who chewed a man’s face off (and even ate his eyeballs) did so because he was "overdosing" on bath salts, "a new potent form of LSD," and maybe also cocaine. These reports are based entirely on speculation by police spokesmen and media excited to fan the flames of fear in Miami. No toxicology tests were performed, no drug paraphernalia found on the scene.

Bath salts are not “the new LSD,” and calling them the new LSD is propaganda for the media to gobble up. Bath salts and LSD have almost nothing in common chemically, and there is no hard evidence (outside of one police spokesman's speculation) that Rudy Eugene was high on anything. Not only are his statements not supported by science, they are at odds with common sense.

But the media love a good drug scare story, so they’re repeating the statements of one Miami cop, Armando Aguilar. Here are some of his statements:

ABC News: Armando Aguilar, president of the Miami Fraternal Order of Police, who has been in contact with the officer who killed Eugene, says the similarities between this and other recent cases involving "bath salts" are striking. "The cases are similar minus a man eating another. People taking off their clothes. People suddenly have super human strength," says Aguilar. "They become violent and they are burning up for the inside. Their organs are reaching a level that most would die. By the time police approach them they are a walking dead person.”

WSVN-TV: Police said the attacker may have likely been overdosing on a new potent form of LSD. "What's happening is whenever we see that a person has taken all of his clothes off and has become violent, it's indicative of this excited delirium that's caused by overdose of drugs," said Armando Aguilar of the Miami Fraternal Order of Police.

CBS Miami: “I have a message for whoever is selling it out there,” said Aguilar. “You can be arrested for murder if you are selling this (new) LSD to people, unsuspecting people on the street and somebody ends up dying as a result you will be charged with murder.”

In addition to Aguilar, the media has added an emergency physician to the dialogue, someone whose medical knowledge does not include drug reactions. ABC News (and other media) quotes Dr. Paul Adams, a doctor at the Jackson Memorial Rider Trauma Center in Miami:

"You can call it the new LSD. It's a recreational drug. They [patients] seem to be unaware of their surroundings. They are not rational, very aggressive and are stronger than they usually are. In the emergency room it usually takes four to five people to control them, and we have had a couple of people breaking out of restraints."

To tackle the misinformation one step at a time:

To use the words bath salts and LSD interchangeably is completely inaccurate: A real drug expert, Nathan Messer of the drug information organization DanceSafe.org, explained to AlterNet the difference between bath salts (which typically contain new synthetic cathinones like MDPV) and LSD, a psychedelic tryptamine.

“MDPV has almost none of of the same hallucinogenic/psychedelic properties, activates different receptors in the brain, and is more closely associated with amphetamines in terms of activity and effects,” said Messer. “It also has a very short duration of around an hour. They may be saying it's like LSD because in high doses or after long binges it can cause symptoms very similar to amphetamine psychosis, which include auditory and visual hallucinations. It should be noted, however, that these sorts of hallucinations are nothing like those reported by users of LSD or other tryptamines.”

LSD is a relatively benign substance that, while also occasionally linked to erratic behavior, also shows great therapeutic benefits. LSD has been proven to assist in curing alcoholism, depression and anxiety, debilitating cluster headaches, and post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), among other ailments. There is little or no evidence that LSD produces dramatic aberrant behavior.

One problem in drug hysteria, or even in situations when there is medical harm taking drugs, is that unscrupulous dealers are often producing and selling drugs that are cut with other chemicals, and may have little in common with pure forms of drugs. This is especially true when one form of a drug is made illegal, and whomever is creating this stuff in labs makes up some new combination and throws it out on the street. In other rare cases people do have strong medical reactions to various drugs, not unlike when people are allergic to seemingly benign substances like peanuts. The use of the term "excited delirium" is noteworthy in the Miami case. Excited delirium can be a phrase police use to justify force. But the term is not a medically recognized condition.

Bath salts-related calls to poison control centers have spiked over the past year, and the public needs to be concerned with some of the reported side effects; still it is unclear under what circumstances they arise. Synthesized in the late ‘60s and popularized in recent years, bath salts were legal until the Drug Enforcement Agency enacted a temporary ban on them last year.

To get around the ban, the illegal ingredients are being replaced by other chemicals so the stuff can be sold in stores. Basically, we don’t even know what’s in bath salts, which are not regulated even when branded because they are marked “not for human consumption” -- nor do we know very much about how they work. But the total ban, which will likely be broadened to encompass synthetic marijuana and other “new drugs,” will only make research that could provide crucial information more difficult. Of the thousands who have tried bath salts, there have been relatively few incidents remotely like this one.

Drug scare stories, however, keep us afraid. It's likely that Rudy Eugene was suffering from mental illness, even if he might also have been on drugs. Horrible situations we don’t understand are easiest to blame on drugs we don’t know much about. It makes the source of violence a substance that we can simply try to do away with and ban. It is not homelessness, poverty, mental illness, that causes the violent break, but rather bath salts, LSD, speed, and coke. As Jacob Sullum at Reason pointed out, years ago, we would have blamed it all on weed.

[r3volution]

oh boy , now it was not bath salts . he was just smoking pot :rolleyes: http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/06/06/exclusive-miami-cannibal-was-carrying-bible-had-recently-smoked-pot-when-he-attacked/

oh ya , was reading the bible . :confused:

[r3volution]

also , 2 new cases :eek: :eek:
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Wig-Theft-Suspect-Bit-Store-Owner-Cops-Police-157512815.html

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/louisiana-man-bites-face-689241

[garyallen59]

In light of recent events...

A little video some friends and I put together.

Enjoy!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DQ8eApE0vw

[RonPaulFanInGA]

They're back.

Daily Mail: 'I'm a eat you': Crazed naked man high on bath salts threatens to eat police officers as they try to arrest him on golf course (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2168050/Man-high-bath-salts-strips-naked-attacks-police-officers-golf-course-saying-wants-eat-faces.html)

[devil21]

Last report on this I saw last week said the toxicology reports found only marijuana (presumably THC metabolites) in the "zombie's" system. No bath salts, no LSD, no coke, just THC.

Here's the thing. The original autopsy report claimed that NO FLESH was found in his stomach (where did the eyeball eating come from?) and that "undigested" pills were found in his stomach. Any pill in your stomach is at least partially digested but I digress. There hasn't been a peep about those pills and what they were since that initial coroner's report.

Looks like this story has turned into a future urban legend based little in fact and lots on media hype and lies.

[Tiso0770]

Lol, and you guys believe this garbage?. MSM reports on crap like this and Ron Paul gets media blackout, kinda ironic don't you think?.

Now use logic, it was a cannibal, they do exist but is a taboo in today's civilized society.

[pacelli]

Last report on this I saw last week said the toxicology reports found only marijuana (presumably THC metabolites) in the "zombie's" system. No bath salts, no LSD, no coke, just THC.

Here's the thing. The original autopsy report claimed that NO FLESH was found in his stomach (where did the eyeball eating come from?) and that "undigested" pills were found in his stomach. Any pill in your stomach is at least partially digested but I digress. There hasn't been a peep about those pills and what they were since that initial coroner's report.

Looks like this story has turned into a future urban legend based little in fact and lots on media hype and lies.

Thank you for pointing that out. Some of the fast acting garbage out there now, at various levels, could cause cognitive status changes in a very short period of time.