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XxNeXuSxX
05-25-2012, 10:25 AM
http://www.policymic.com/articles/8808/4-myths-about-barack-obama-you-probably-didn-t-know-you-bought-in-to/latest_articles


Barack Obama is credited and blamed for many sensational actions. Opponents accuse the president of destroying the economy single-handily, while supporters lavishly praise Obama for what they perceived as taking on the big Wall Street executives.

These Americans, however, are clueless and should abstain from spreading disinformation based on intellectual fallacies. The media’s abandonment of informing the public has created an alarming amount of sensationalism, or the appeal to emotion, convoluting the “news.” Its effects on the populous are pronounced. Obsession with rhetoric has effectively clouded the president’s actual policy agenda. Alarmingly, the myths reach the point where they are simply contradictory.

America has astonishing levels of apprehension towards deductive logic, instead using emotional fallacies to intellectually deceive him or herself to protect the mind from any attempt at productive debating or rational conversation. To sift through all of the subjective emotional appeals, I will use nothing further than an objective measurement that a president’s actions can be measured by, and thus be deemed objective actions.

Setting the agenda and policy direction is objectively illustrated when the president uses his authority to set executive orders. Hereby he can clearly, without obstruction, move and enforce a policy agenda. Additionally, the president can influence legislation in Congress either by submitting his own bill for voting. Post-legislation, he may veto bills that pass both levels of Congress, or alternatively sign bills that come to his desk, endorsing the bill. From this, actions can be measured up against common perceptions about the president’s policy-making. Therefore, this leaves out speeches, campaign speeches, editorials, and other immeasurable claims.

Contradiction #1): Habeas Corpus -- Common False Perceptions: Obama is “pro” habeas corpus, and against indefinite detention, and is closing down Guantanamo Bay (GTMO).

Obama has plenty of sound-bytes speaking about restoration of Habeas Corpus in the 2008 presidential campaign. However, objective evidence has illustrated that policy actions resulted in the exact opposite effect. After an initial executive order “promised” to close down GTMO detainment centers in 2009, that promise expired and has “evolved” to now be "misunderstood." On January 7, 2011, Obama signed the 2011 Defense Authorization Bill, which places restrictions on the transfer of Guantanamo prisoners to the mainland or to other foreign countries, thus impeding the closure of the detention facility.

He recently stated in a press release that he would not allow Guantanamo Bay to close because “he does not support terrorist actions.” Additionally, Obama demanded the inclusion of the sub-section giving the president power to revoke habeas corpus for citizens with the 2011 National Defense Authorization Act. Obama specifically requested American citizens’ exemption for Americans be removed.

Reality illustrates the president has proactively sought to remove protections of Habeas Corpus from both American citizens and foreign detainees.

Read the rest of the article at the link above. Educate the electorate, spread it.

Sam I am
05-25-2012, 10:53 AM
If any of you know Obama supporters, and want to convince them to question Obama's policies, These 4 issues are what you should dwell on, because they are by far the lest controversial.

YES Obama has not improved Habeas Corpus.
YES Obama has not stood up to Wallstreet.
YES Obama has not opposed the Patriot act.
YES Obama has cracked down on marijuana.


These are the issues that the left wing itself likes to criticize Obama about. If you want to convince the left to vote third party, these are the issues that will work.

When discussing these issues AVOID the conspiracy theories. People will turn off to you when you start talking about Obama's birth certificate, or when you speculate that he will declare martial law.

Unfortunately for the Republicans, they won't be able to beat Obama on these issues. The talking heads in the Republican party seem to feel as though it is a good idea to double down on these 4 issues. Just tune into Fox news and you'll hear that Obama is too in favor of Habeas Corpus, that he stands up too much to Wallstreet, that he's too opposed to Patriot act-like practices, and that he's too lenient on drugs.

On this note, and I understand that I will take some heat for this, when trying to convince Obama supporters don't dwell too much on Ron Paul unless he has already become the republican nominee. To most people Ron Paul's name presumably won't show up on the ballot, and he is therefore not an option. Also, being too aggressive in favor any particular candidate will make them suspicious of your agenda

Instead, the call to action should be an un-named third party vote. One of the most damaging things that you can do to the establishment is to convince voters to vote for someone else. Convince them that they have more than 2 choices. Until you do that, the establishment will continue.

XxNeXuSxX
05-25-2012, 11:14 AM
If any of you know Obama supporters, and want to convince them to question Obama's policies, These 4 issues are what you should dwell on, because they are by far the lest controversial.

YES Obama has not improved Habeas Corpus.
YES Obama has not stood up to Wallstreet.
YES Obama has not opposed the Patriot act.
YES Obama has cracked down on marijuana.


These are the issues that the left wing itself likes to criticize Obama about. If you want to convince the left to vote third party, these are the issues that will work.

When discussing these issues AVOID the conspiracy theories. People will turn off to you when you start talking about Obama's birth certificate, or when you speculate that he will declare martial law.

Unfortunately for the Republicans, they won't be able to beat Obama on these issues. The talking heads in the Republican party seem to feel as though it is a good idea to double down on these 4 issues. Just tune into Fox news and you'll hear that Obama is too in favor of Habeas Corpus, that he stands up too much to Wallstreet, that he's too opposed to Patriot act-like practices, and that he's too lenient on drugs.

On this note, and I understand that I will take some heat for this, when trying to convince Obama supporters don't dwell too much on Ron Paul unless he has already become the republican nominee. To most people Ron Paul's name presumably won't show up on the ballot, and he is therefore not an option. Also, being too aggressive in favor any particular candidate will make them suspicious of your agenda

Instead, the call to action should be an un-named third party vote. One of the most damaging things that you can do to the establishment is to convince voters to vote for someone else. Convince them that they have more than 2 choices. Until you do that, the establishment will continue.

Well said; I completely agree. I think this article wakes up the lefties once they actually are presented an objective analysis with no evidence of "Republican bias".

XxNeXuSxX
05-30-2012, 08:05 PM
BUMP

jkr
05-30-2012, 08:16 PM
its time to prepare balanced arguments that will convince humans that want to vote for the current executive to vote for Ron instead

play 2 win


you know what to do with the torpedo's

XxNeXuSxX
05-30-2012, 11:07 PM
you know what to do with the torpedo's

Torpedo of logic and reason

Xhin
05-31-2012, 05:29 AM
On this note, and I understand that I will take some heat for this, when trying to convince Obama supporters don't dwell too much on Ron Paul unless he has already become the republican nominee. To most people Ron Paul's name presumably won't show up on the ballot, and he is therefore not an option.

Then what's the fucking point? Romey and Obama are the SAME fucking candidate.

XxNeXuSxX
05-31-2012, 04:49 PM
Then what's the fucking point? Romey and Obama are the SAME fucking candidate.

Attacking Romney from the perceived right, and Obama from the perceived "left" is vastly more persuasive to waking people up to reality. Most liberals; the morons that they are, BELIEVE Obama is actually doing the REVERSE of his agenda. Once they are intellectually introduced to this from someone who is perceived to have the same "baseline standards" will have a dramatically persuasive effect when presented objectively.