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XTreat
05-23-2012, 12:44 PM
It's only a matter of time.




WASHINGTON (CBSDC) – With the use of domestic drones increasing, concern has not just come up over privacy issues, but also over the potential use of lethal force by the unmanned aircraft.

Drones have been used overseas to target and kill high-level terror leaders and are also being used along the U.S.-Mexico border in the battle against illegal immigration. But now, these drones are starting to be used domestically at an increasing rate.

The Federal Aviation Administration has allowed several police departments to use drones across the U.S. They are controlled from a remote location and use infrared sensors and high-resolution cameras.

Chief Deputy Randy McDaniel of the Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office in Texas told The Daily that his department is considering using rubber bullets and tear gas on its drone.

“Those are things that law enforcement utilizes day in and day out and in certain situations it might be advantageous to have this type of system on the UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle),” McDaniel told The Daily.

The use of potential force from drones has raised the ire of the American Civil Liberties Union.

“It’s simply not appropriate to use any of force, lethal or non-lethal, on a drone,” Catherine Crump, staff attorney for the ACLU, told CBSDC.

Crump feels one of the biggest problems with the use of drones is the remote location where they are operated from.

“When the officer is on the scene, they have full access to info about what has transpired there,” Crump explained to CBSDC. “An officer at a remote location far away does not have the same level of access.”

The ACLU is also worried about potential drones malfunctioning and falling from the sky, adding that they are keeping a close eye on the use of these unmanned aircraft by police departments.

“We don’t need a situation where Americans feel there is in an invisible eye in the sky,” Jay Stanley, senior policy analyst at ACLU, told CBSDC.

Joshua Foust, fellow at the American Security Project, feels domestic drones should not be armed.

“I think from a legal perspective, there is nothing problematic about floating a drone over a city,” Foust told CBSDC. “In terms of getting armed drones, I would be very nervous about that happening right now.”

McDaniel says that his community should not be worried about the department using a drone.

“We’ve never gone into surveillance for sake of surveillance unless there is criminal activity afoot,” McDaniel told The Daily. “Just to see what you’re doing in your backyard pool — we don’t care.”

But the concern for the ACLU is just too great that an American’s constitutional rights will be trampled with the use of drones.

“The prospect of people out in public being Tased or targeted by force by flying drones where no officers is physically present on the scene,” Crump says, “raises the prospect of unconstitutional force being used on individuals.”

moostraks
05-23-2012, 01:00 PM
where to start....
“It’s simply not appropriate to use any of force, lethal or non-lethal, on a drone,” Catherine Crump, staff attorney for the ACLU, told CBSDC Hmm so the use of force is the problem?

“We don’t need a situation where Americans feel there is in an invisible eye in the sky,” Jay Stanley, senior policy analyst at ACLU, told CBSDC Isn't that the very essence of a drone???

“I think from a legal perspective, there is nothing problematic about floating a drone over a city,” Foust told CBSDC. “In terms of getting armed drones, I would be very nervous about that happening right now.” from a legal perspective??? So no right to quiet enjoyment exists in their so called legal world but whoa might make em nervous if they are armed? AAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

“The prospect of people out in public being Tased or targeted by force by flying drones where no officers is physically present on the scene,” Crump says, “raises the prospect of unconstitutional force being used on individuals.” Why should it matter they have immunity and get paid vacations....

Brian4Liberty
05-23-2012, 01:42 PM
“I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.”

Acala
05-23-2012, 01:54 PM
What good is having a drone if you can't use it to fire a missile into a classroom full of little children?

Danke
05-23-2012, 01:55 PM
No more nude sunbathing, don't need them to think I'm about to launch a missile attack.

Anti Federalist
05-23-2012, 03:03 PM
No more nude sunbathing, don't need them to think I'm about to launch a missile attack.

See Nothing, Say Something.

Brian4Liberty
05-23-2012, 03:14 PM
See Nothing, Say Something.

Burrrnnnn... :cool:

Danke
05-23-2012, 03:31 PM
See Nothing, Say Something.

I should have known a post like that would elicit a response from you.

DerailingDaTrain
05-23-2012, 03:44 PM
And this is how it begins. First it's tear gas and rubber bullets next it's missiles.

Acala
05-23-2012, 04:04 PM
For a drone to use rubber bullets or tear gas with any effectiveness, it is going to have to be flying pretty low and slow, dontcha think?

Henry Rogue
05-23-2012, 05:56 PM
Anybody remember the movie Bluethunder?

heavenlyboy34
05-23-2012, 06:08 PM
And this is how it begins. First it's tear gas and rubber bullets next it's missiles. Why can't they just make me dinner and do my chores? :(

Joey Fuller
05-23-2012, 06:17 PM
just a matter of time before a drone kills some innocent Americans.. I think that could trigger riots/revolution in the streets.

heavenlyboy34
05-23-2012, 06:20 PM
just a matter of time before a drone kills some innocent Americans.. I think that could trigger riots/revolution in the streets.
Of course. Look at all the "law enforcement" techniques that have been adapted from USAF combat training. :(

pcosmar
05-23-2012, 06:56 PM
Anybody remember the movie Bluethunder?


Yup,, and in that movie there were allegedly rules.

Not sure any of the rules apply anymore.

speciallyblend
05-23-2012, 07:05 PM
Yup,, and in that movie there were allegedly rules.

Not sure any of the rules apply anymore.

I wouldn't doubt they have already flown an armed drone with missiles over our country. who needs rules when your the gov.

Henry Rogue
05-23-2012, 07:19 PM
Yup,, and in that movie there were allegedly rules.

Not sure any of the rules apply anymore.
Yes, the thick blue blanket has immunity.

Lucille
05-23-2012, 10:50 PM
Sociopaths are ruling this country, and I want to GTFO of it. Not even RP could stop this runaway train.

Acala
05-24-2012, 09:04 AM
Drones cost money. This is why economic collapse is your friend. I AM the jolly harbinger of doom.

Pericles
05-24-2012, 09:07 AM
Drones cost money. This is why economic collapse is your friend. I AM the jolly harbinger of doom.

Correct.

jmdrake
05-24-2012, 09:15 AM
Drones cost money. This is why economic collapse is your friend. I AM the jolly harbinger of doom.

PCs used to be expensive too. I bet one of these could be built using OTSPs for < $5,000.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU

The key isn't hoping the government goes broke. (They've got trillions of our tax dollars stashed away). The key is learning how to build one of those babies for yourself. The 2nd amendment applies to drone ownership in my book.

moostraks
05-24-2012, 09:15 AM
Drones cost money. This is why economic collapse is your friend. I AM the jolly harbinger of doom.

sad to say...I lol'd

thanks acala for lemonade from lemons...

Lucille
05-24-2012, 09:43 AM
Drones cost money. This is why economic collapse is your friend. I AM the jolly harbinger of doom.

I suspect that when the collapse hits, the Welfare State be the first to go, but the Police State will be fully funded. Not sure about the Warfare State; it depends on how flush the Bankstas are, b/c they love them some MIC.

Acala
05-24-2012, 09:53 AM
PCs used to be expensive too. I bet one of these could be built using OTSPs for < $5,000.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU

The key isn't hoping the government goes broke. (They've got trillions of our tax dollars stashed away). The key is learning how to build one of those babies for yourself. The 2nd amendment applies to drone ownership in my book.

You know that device isn't real, right?

Acala
05-24-2012, 09:55 AM
I suspect that when the collapse hits, the Welfare State be the first to go, but the Police State will be fully funded. Not sure about the Warfare State; it depends on how flush the Bankstas are, b/c they love them some MIC.

Yes, the thugs will be the last to go. But go they will, in the end. The government can print money but it can't print wealth.

Dark_Horse_Rider
05-24-2012, 09:59 AM
Yes, the thugs will be the last to go. But go they will, in the end. The government can print money but it can't print wealth.

I agree that finally they will be brought down, but it seems they will do whatever they can to hold power... taking food and materials by force is not uncommon in such a scenario.

ShaneEnochs
05-24-2012, 10:02 AM
Just for a moment, I'd like to be the devil's advocate. Besides the potential of armament (though I'm not sure this is a real difference, from what I've heard), what is the difference between drones and satellites taking photos/video?

pcosmar
05-24-2012, 10:04 AM
You know that device isn't real, right?

Nope,, I don't know that at all.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcJ2FFjigNg

And some low budget R&D,,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR_5zchIlWk

SHTF, you will see all kinds of stuff come out of redneck garages that has never been posted on YTube.

Brian4Liberty
05-24-2012, 10:05 AM
You know that device isn't real, right?

Links?

Seems like it would be too heavy to fly with all of the features.

pcosmar
05-24-2012, 10:08 AM
Just for a moment, I'd like to be the devil's advocate. Besides the potential of armament (though I'm not sure this is a real difference, from what I've heard), what is the difference between drones and satellites taking photos/video?

Satellites are an issue,, and many are none too fond of their use..
But satellites can not see through cloud cover or under cover, Drones can.

Where Satellites are a passive threat,, Drones are a much more predatory threat.

jmdrake
05-24-2012, 10:09 AM
You know that device isn't real, right?

Nope. I don't know that. What makes you think it's not real? The video looks authentic. The author of the video is reputable. And such a machine is pretty elementary to make. You an buy a quadcopter kit yourself. They aren't that expensive. Everything else is some robotics and some realtime video.


Nope,, I don't know that at all.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcJ2FFjigNg

And some low budget R&D,,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR_5zchIlWk

SHTF, you will see all kinds of stuff come out of redneck garages that has never been posted on YTube.

+rep.

jmdrake
05-24-2012, 10:10 AM
//

Danke
05-24-2012, 10:28 AM
Seems like it would be too heavy to fly with all of the features.

Exactly.

Acala
05-24-2012, 11:07 AM
Nope,, I don't know that at all.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcJ2FFjigNg

And some low budget R&D,,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR_5zchIlWk

SHTF, you will see all kinds of stuff come out of redneck garages that has never been posted on YTube.

I didn't say you couldn't build something like it. But THAT device in THAT video is fake.

Acala
05-24-2012, 11:29 AM
Nope. I don't know that. What makes you think it's not real? The video looks authentic. The author of the video is reputable. And such a machine is pretty elementary to make. You an buy a quadcopter kit yourself. They aren't that expensive. Everything else is some robotics and some realtime video.



+rep.

The author of the video isn't even a Russian. Did you know that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Myers

What makes me think it is fake is that the arrangement lacks the necessary lift to hoist a fully automatic weapon and its ammunition and to handle the recoil while staying on target. Also, no shell casings. And the targets were clearly rigged with explosives.

But you can believe it if you want.

pcosmar
05-24-2012, 11:51 AM
The author of the video isn't even a Russian. Did you know that?



Yes. I have posted that myself several times.

He still does some quite entertaining videos,, and demonstrates some cool hardware.


And the targets were clearly rigged with explosives.



He does make liberal use of Tannerite.
http://www.tannerite.com/

;)

pcosmar
05-24-2012, 12:14 PM
Yup,,
I'm just a dumb, burnt out old hippie farmer living in the backwoods.
Obviously I am prone to paranoid delusions. :rolleyes:

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2012/03/quadrotor_drones_are_amazing_and_cute_and_they_wil l_probably_destroy_us_all_.html

Yes, FPSRussia's is fake.. The others I posted are not..
And you can bet your ass that R&D continues.

Oh,, and isn't this interesting,, (re;weight)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75ESD9PBOw&feature=related

ShaneEnochs
05-24-2012, 12:26 PM
Yup,,
I'm just a dumb, burnt out old hippie farmer living in the backwoods.
Obviously I am prone to paranoid delusions. :rolleyes:

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2012/03/quadrotor_drones_are_amazing_and_cute_and_they_wil l_probably_destroy_us_all_.html

Yes, FPSRussia's is fake.. The others I posted are not..
And you can bet your ass that R&D continues.

Oh,, and isn't this interesting,, (re;weight)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75ESD9PBOw&feature=related

I gotta admit that looks pretty freaking fun. Wonder what the altitude range on that is.

Brian4Liberty
05-24-2012, 12:42 PM
Oh,, and isn't this interesting,, (re;weight)



Been waiting to get mine for a while...

http://sciencedude.ocregister.com/files/2010/10/flyingcar3.jpg

http://www.eccentricshadows.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/50sfuture-e1314410533711.jpg

Acala
05-24-2012, 12:55 PM
Yup,,
I'm just a dumb, burnt out old hippie farmer living in the backwoods.
Obviously I am prone to paranoid delusions. :rolleyes:

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2012/03/quadrotor_drones_are_amazing_and_cute_and_they_wil l_probably_destroy_us_all_.html

Yes, FPSRussia's is fake.. The others I posted are not..
And you can bet your ass that R&D continues.

Oh,, and isn't this interesting,, (re;weight)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75ESD9PBOw&feature=related

There is a reason why this is the first, and is likely to be the only for the foreseeable future - the combination of electric motors powered by batteries has a poor power/weight ratio. It works on a limited basis for very small craft, but doesn't scale well. Even using solar cells, it is just barely possible to make sustained manned electric power flight.

pcosmar
05-24-2012, 01:16 PM
Been waiting to get mine for a while...


Yup,, me too.
http://www.moller.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49&Itemid=57

But this thread was about drones.. Which exist in the real world,, are in use in the real world. And some of which are already armed in the real world..

And the very real prospect that the Drones flying in the US might be armed.

Some seem to think that this concern is delusional.

pcosmar
05-24-2012, 01:18 PM
There is a reason why this is the first, and is likely to be the only for the foreseeable future - the combination of electric motors powered by batteries has a poor power/weight ratio. It works on a limited basis for very small craft, but doesn't scale well. Even using solar cells, it is just barely possible to make sustained manned electric power flight.

And that has what to do with arming drones in the US?

That was only posted as a "Proof of Concept" to counter the "a gun is too heavy" canard.

Danke
05-24-2012, 01:29 PM
Yup,,
I'm just a dumb, burnt out old hippie farmer living in the backwoods.
Obviously I am prone to paranoid delusions. :rolleyes:





And the very real prospect that the Drones flying in the US might be armed.

Some seem to think that this concern is delusional.

You keep repeating that, who has been saying that?

pcosmar
05-24-2012, 01:35 PM
You keep repeating that, who has been saying that?

There have been a couple threads on the subject.. Am not sure if "delusional" was used,, but ignorant, uninformed, conspiracy theorist have been.

Drones are in use. It is admitted, (where once it was only speculated)..
Armed drones are being discussed. Some notables have been promoting that idea. Some oppose it.
Spy Drones are in use.

This should not be allowed.

Acala
05-24-2012, 02:08 PM
And that has what to do with arming drones in the US?

That was only posted as a "Proof of Concept" to counter the "a gun is too heavy" canard.

All I said was that specific video was a fake. And it is. Are there armed drones in the sky? Yup. But I'll bet none are using electric battery power for lift.

Anti Federalist
05-24-2012, 03:35 PM
I should have known a post like that would elicit a response from you.

Just doing my civic duty, Komrade.

Keeping us safe.

Anti Federalist
05-25-2012, 11:51 AM
The comments are encouraging.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/05/23/groups-concerned-over-arming-of-domestic-drones/