asainassporn
05-19-2012, 01:24 AM
Very late night conversation with a friend about ron paul ideas... She is very against it, and follows differnet areas than I do. Perhaps someone could give me information links i need to continue convo later? :D
Lots of text. color coded: red her, Blue me, and I code wrapped to make it not take up a wall of text. :)
This was a one hour conversation..
he wants to privatize us to death, and corporations answer to us far less than corporations. He wants to keep Bush tax cuts to the rich on the table, while cutting all of the safety
nets the poor need. You want to talk about college fees? Try the poor he'd be condemning by cutting the Urban and Housing Development Agency. Oh, and the Secretary of EDUCATION. Ron Paul won't be helping any of us.
corps answer to us less than gov
And don't get me started on abortion or the environment.
Or the idea that I'm against Ron Paul because he disagreed with Bush. Bush fucked up everything, esp the Middle East. Moving on...
IF THE STATES GET FREE REIGNS, WE'RE ALL DEAD.
or at least really really miserable
Regulations do not stop corruption, or mergers, or bankruptcy or fraud. Regulations serve the government,
who claims it's we the people, but it's not. If it was, cannabis would be legal.
I did not research into the bush tax cut.
Romney would keep us in there. Obama has changed nothign at all. We have moved to hiring people to go over there while bringing minimal troops back.
In there for 10 more years also, becfause of obama.
How do you get that conclusion of states having power we are all dead/miserable? Can you please give me info.
I am looking up bush tax cut info at the moment.
Bush tax cuts: help the rich, strange the middle class.
Can you please give me stats on that statement?
Kansas: new law against women getting equal pay to men
Utah: education plan banning sex ed, except for tried and failed abstinence
Mississippi: cops openly stopped a Gay Pride Parade, because it was a Gay Pride Parade
LA: Katrina clusterfuck, as Bush was an idiot and THE STATE didn't have the political infrastructure to deal with it as necessary
Historical reference: The Guilded Age.
Uhmm.. No the katrina thing is completely bull I know a contractor who worked during it. The katrina thing.
That company that was giving the money for the rebuilding process gave 500 million to our state governor. However, he coudl not accoutn for 324 million of it,
and asked for 1.5 million more. He ended up making all state engineers not signing off on any contstruction work until lhe got the 1.5 million.
He doesn't get 1.5 million until he can account for the other 324 million misisng.
--convo died after name calling about states being broken and both agreeing that bush sucked ass---
Obama's working his ass off everywhere
And Clinton was one of those, too.
He signed in NDAA after saying he was going ot veto
Obama stopped the Keystone Pipeline.
He sent aid to Haiti the way Bush should have handled Katrina.
Fema sent money to our state as it should have. The governor pocketed it
And we elected him bakc in
In the argument for the state rights: it assumes that once it is put into effect he people would start paying attention to what their state is doing
and stop relying ont the governmetn to micromanage everything
Which is completely insane
--died--
U know the Republicans are trying to weasel out college students n minorities?
College used to be offordable. Without needing to take 6000 of loans to pay for it {At least per student}.
From what i have found out the government loans; Every time that they have increased the cost of college after the cap for student loan was increased.
Also, all those things you listed used to be handeld wtihout any real problems.. Just the governmetn started over reaching its bounds
and if nothing else for your sake
A lot of the stuff he wants done wont get done due to the due process
However, some major, very bennificial thigns can be accomplished
like privatizing environmental conservation?
cutting funding where it's needed?
State issue there
The state can decide how high or low it should have its standards
having to quit my job over sexual harassment instead of having the boss dealt with?
Paul: those who are sexually harassed should quit their jobs.
which doesn't work for the single mom trying to feed her kids.
ooh, which state... idaho, maybe... trying to pass laws banning single moms to protect the kids
link...
None to his book, "Freedom Under Seige." Srry
O, n he calls marriage purely religious
Anywho: It is assuming it is during a stabel enviorment. During his book he talks about well yeah title says it.
Anywho, he states int here that if a woman is being sexually harrassed she should quit and go to work for someoen else
As far as the gay marriage: Marriage to him is religious as it is to many, however the rightsg ranted by a marrage should be allowed for all people regardless of
who they are and does not be lieve the government has the right to dictate to all people what a relgion is.
Hwoever a law regarding what a gay couple can have in terms of benifits should be equal. Privateization of marriage or something is what he says.
I know he's not opressively anti-lgbt; is one thing I like about him, alongside contraception.
But he's also so pro-1st ammendment that hate speech could likely ring loud and proud
Obama, meanwhile, renewed anti-hate crime legislature
and expanded it to cover gender, orientation, etc
Sometimes, the states won't do what's necessary (though Vermont's way ahead with anti-frakking leg), and the feds HAVE to step in. It's why they're there.
O, n u know how he's against oil subsidies? (yay)
That doesn't include the many, many tax cuts folks like the Koch bros organize from their pet polluticians.
Final note: Paul doesn't consider education or health care gov-given rights, and as such would remove that support even faster than Romney.
Flawed as they are (despite recent attempts to change this), outright liquidating them removes an incredibly important safety net.
Finally, no candidate is perfect. Not Paul, not Obama, definitely not Romney or Santorum (yay, is gone). We just have to analyze the facts we
have and make the best pick we can, can't be the same for everyone.
Yay, anvillicious speech done. 'Night.
Lots of text. color coded: red her, Blue me, and I code wrapped to make it not take up a wall of text. :)
This was a one hour conversation..
he wants to privatize us to death, and corporations answer to us far less than corporations. He wants to keep Bush tax cuts to the rich on the table, while cutting all of the safety
nets the poor need. You want to talk about college fees? Try the poor he'd be condemning by cutting the Urban and Housing Development Agency. Oh, and the Secretary of EDUCATION. Ron Paul won't be helping any of us.
corps answer to us less than gov
And don't get me started on abortion or the environment.
Or the idea that I'm against Ron Paul because he disagreed with Bush. Bush fucked up everything, esp the Middle East. Moving on...
IF THE STATES GET FREE REIGNS, WE'RE ALL DEAD.
or at least really really miserable
Regulations do not stop corruption, or mergers, or bankruptcy or fraud. Regulations serve the government,
who claims it's we the people, but it's not. If it was, cannabis would be legal.
I did not research into the bush tax cut.
Romney would keep us in there. Obama has changed nothign at all. We have moved to hiring people to go over there while bringing minimal troops back.
In there for 10 more years also, becfause of obama.
How do you get that conclusion of states having power we are all dead/miserable? Can you please give me info.
I am looking up bush tax cut info at the moment.
Bush tax cuts: help the rich, strange the middle class.
Can you please give me stats on that statement?
Kansas: new law against women getting equal pay to men
Utah: education plan banning sex ed, except for tried and failed abstinence
Mississippi: cops openly stopped a Gay Pride Parade, because it was a Gay Pride Parade
LA: Katrina clusterfuck, as Bush was an idiot and THE STATE didn't have the political infrastructure to deal with it as necessary
Historical reference: The Guilded Age.
Uhmm.. No the katrina thing is completely bull I know a contractor who worked during it. The katrina thing.
That company that was giving the money for the rebuilding process gave 500 million to our state governor. However, he coudl not accoutn for 324 million of it,
and asked for 1.5 million more. He ended up making all state engineers not signing off on any contstruction work until lhe got the 1.5 million.
He doesn't get 1.5 million until he can account for the other 324 million misisng.
--convo died after name calling about states being broken and both agreeing that bush sucked ass---
Obama's working his ass off everywhere
And Clinton was one of those, too.
He signed in NDAA after saying he was going ot veto
Obama stopped the Keystone Pipeline.
He sent aid to Haiti the way Bush should have handled Katrina.
Fema sent money to our state as it should have. The governor pocketed it
And we elected him bakc in
In the argument for the state rights: it assumes that once it is put into effect he people would start paying attention to what their state is doing
and stop relying ont the governmetn to micromanage everything
Which is completely insane
--died--
U know the Republicans are trying to weasel out college students n minorities?
College used to be offordable. Without needing to take 6000 of loans to pay for it {At least per student}.
From what i have found out the government loans; Every time that they have increased the cost of college after the cap for student loan was increased.
Also, all those things you listed used to be handeld wtihout any real problems.. Just the governmetn started over reaching its bounds
and if nothing else for your sake
A lot of the stuff he wants done wont get done due to the due process
However, some major, very bennificial thigns can be accomplished
like privatizing environmental conservation?
cutting funding where it's needed?
State issue there
The state can decide how high or low it should have its standards
having to quit my job over sexual harassment instead of having the boss dealt with?
Paul: those who are sexually harassed should quit their jobs.
which doesn't work for the single mom trying to feed her kids.
ooh, which state... idaho, maybe... trying to pass laws banning single moms to protect the kids
link...
None to his book, "Freedom Under Seige." Srry
O, n he calls marriage purely religious
Anywho: It is assuming it is during a stabel enviorment. During his book he talks about well yeah title says it.
Anywho, he states int here that if a woman is being sexually harrassed she should quit and go to work for someoen else
As far as the gay marriage: Marriage to him is religious as it is to many, however the rightsg ranted by a marrage should be allowed for all people regardless of
who they are and does not be lieve the government has the right to dictate to all people what a relgion is.
Hwoever a law regarding what a gay couple can have in terms of benifits should be equal. Privateization of marriage or something is what he says.
I know he's not opressively anti-lgbt; is one thing I like about him, alongside contraception.
But he's also so pro-1st ammendment that hate speech could likely ring loud and proud
Obama, meanwhile, renewed anti-hate crime legislature
and expanded it to cover gender, orientation, etc
Sometimes, the states won't do what's necessary (though Vermont's way ahead with anti-frakking leg), and the feds HAVE to step in. It's why they're there.
O, n u know how he's against oil subsidies? (yay)
That doesn't include the many, many tax cuts folks like the Koch bros organize from their pet polluticians.
Final note: Paul doesn't consider education or health care gov-given rights, and as such would remove that support even faster than Romney.
Flawed as they are (despite recent attempts to change this), outright liquidating them removes an incredibly important safety net.
Finally, no candidate is perfect. Not Paul, not Obama, definitely not Romney or Santorum (yay, is gone). We just have to analyze the facts we
have and make the best pick we can, can't be the same for everyone.
Yay, anvillicious speech done. 'Night.