Doug Wead: Some things about the Ron Paul campaign can't be discussed right now

[lurpol]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F5a57viEpo

Broadcast: May 15, 2012
THE MORNING SHOW with Patrick Timpone
Full Podcast:

http://www.oneradionetwork.com/geo-politics/doug-wead-the-great-provocateur-ron-paul-is-the-real-deal-may-15-2012/

The segment uploaded to youtube starts about 45 mins in that podcast.

[The Magic Hoof]

It''s going to kill us to figure this out!

[Havax]

It's not in the interest of Paul or Romney for a ruckus to take place at the convention. I'm sure both parties came together and agreed on some things conceding to Paul (Benton laid them out) in order to drown down the racking up of delegates and the impending chaos to take place at the convention.

[asurfaholic]

Better be good... all I gots to say

[JWZguy]

I have faith in Ron Paul.

[DamianTV]

The first rule of Ron Paul Campaign Strategies is that you do not talk about Ron Paul Campaign Strategies.

The second rule of Ron Paul Campaign Strategies is that you do not talk about Ron Paul Campaign Strategies.

---

By now, everyone has heard Undbinding the Delegates. This may have very well started here in Nevada during our GOP Convention. Doug and Ron were overheard discussing the possibility of unbinding delegates. Then the rumors went viral within 30 minutes.

[KingNothing]

Better be good... all I gots to say

Judging by the mood around here, nothing short of "Paul has every delegate that has been awarded so far, and they are all unbound," would make people happy.

[WIwarrior]

It is obvious that a division within the campaign has happened. I believe Doug Wead is one of the good guys but I don't feel the same about John Tate. I wish Ron would clear the air and give one of those inspirational speeches to fire up his army. We all need to be united to see this thing out, that means the grassroots and the campaign need to get on the same page....unless of course an individual(s) sold us out.

[NoOneButPaul]

Called it.

They made a deal, it's totally obvious... I just want to know what they settled on...

[eleganz]

It''s going to kill us to figure this out!

stop trying to figure it out and just work your ass off to win this thing.

[KingNothing]

It is obvious that a division within the campaign has happened. I believe Doug Wead is one of the good guys but I don't feel the same about John Tate. I wish Ron would clear the air and give one of those inspirational speeches to fire up his army. We all need to be united to see this thing out, that means the grassroots and the campaign need to get on the same page....unless of course an individual(s) sold us out.


And you base this on nothing.

Do people not understand how insane they sound when they make outlandish claims and have absolutely zero evidence backing them? I don't understand this desire to just make things up, especially when the implication of the completely fabricated scenario is a negative one. So not only do you have no supporting facts, you brought something to the table that had no redeeming quality.

Why? Why do that?

Why not just focus on the long term goal -- influencing minds and changing the political discourse in our nation so that we might someday live to experience an even higher level of peace, wealth and liberty?

[asurfaholic]

Judging by the mood around here, nothing short of "Paul has every delegate that has been awarded so far, and they are all unbound," would make people happy.

Can't argue.

I admit, I am feeling pretty sour over recent developments, but its healthy to face reality. The chances were slim from the beginning that we win, and to think we could still WIN at this point would be delusional.

I do trust the campaign that the decisions made these last few days are in the best interest of our movement. Its tough to fathom the news, and is going to suck to watch all the momentum dry up.

I think we all need to sit back and let the campaign work out details, and continue to pick up delegates where we can. We wont win tx or ca, and I doubt we get 20% or better in either. I donated 150 recently and I still don't regret it, its going for the best cause available - liberty and peace.

Eyes on the prize..

[KingNothing]

Can't argue.

I admit, I am feeling pretty sour over recent developments, but its healthy to face reality. The chances were slim from the beginning that we win, and to think we could still WIN at this point would be delusional.

I do trust the campaign that the decisions made these last few days are in the best interest of our movement. Its tough to fathom the news, and is going to suck to watch all the momentum dry up.

I think we all need to sit back and let the campaign work out details, and continue to pick up delegates where we can. We wont win tx or ca, and I doubt we get 20% or better in either. I donated 150 recently and I still don't regret it, its going for the best cause available - liberty and peace.

Eyes on the prize..


Exactly!

[Badger Paul]

They made a deal, it's totally obvious...

They made a deal, we didn't. We are party to no deal. End of discussion.

[69360]

Judging by the mood around here, nothing short of "Paul has every delegate that has been awarded so far, and they are all unbound," would make people happy.

I want Ron to win.

I could live with a VP deal and vote for Romney.

I could live with platform changes and vote for GJ.

[floridasun1983]

Called it.

They made a deal, it's totally obvious... I just want to know what they settled on...I think you're right.

[Svenskar_för_Ron_Paul]

I think you're right.

What are you guys basing this on? What's in it for Ron Paul in that case?

[RDM]

Called it.

They made a deal, it's totally obvious... I just want to know what they settled on...

I agree also. The past few days and trying to read between the lines, gave me that impression also.

[MyKillK]

Is it just me, or was Mr. Wead implying that whatever happened is such a big deal we won't even find out for 10 or 20 years?

The campaign has taken an EXTREMELY bizarre turn over the last week. WTF happened?

[Svenskar_för_Ron_Paul]

What sort of deal would it be? If you guys can read between the lines, then you should also be able to translate it into something useful.

[Exiled_LFOD]

And there you have it mundanes. Some things are not for mundane consumption. You can read about it in 20 years. In the meantime, shut up and get back to campaigning. The only purpose of this site is to elect Ron Paul. Did you miss the part at the top that says "Ron Paul" forums? If you are not down with that you have no business here! If you want to discuss Orwellian conspiracy theories take that truther garbage somewhere else.













































P.S. www.2012Truth.info is available :)

[dancjm]

No deal.

No compromise.

REVOLUTION.

End transmission.

[pen_thief]

Me, last few days.
http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/imagecache/Node_Page/images/1284909765969.png

[DerailingDaTrain]

Any of you who would vote for Romney, even if he had Ron's full support, are going against everything this movement stands for.

[jd603]

A deal won't work, you can't /deliver/ ron paul delegates to romney, not gonna happen. The mentality of libertarians and liberty loving people is "you are not the boss of me" , I don't consider ron paul the boss of me nor anyone else on the campaign. That being said, I don't believe the statements made by the campaign will hurt the outcome much. It's this line of thinking that makes me think there is strategy in play at the campaign, they have to know their supporters better than that... they had to know the supporters wouldn't listen. Regardless, if they are planning a deal it won't work anyway. So, KEEP ON GOING, this revolution is ours, not ron paul's and not jesse benton's.

[anaconda]

It's not in the interest of Paul or Romney for a ruckus to take place at the convention. I'm sure both parties came together and agreed on some things conceding to Paul (Benton laid them out) in order to drown down the racking up of delegates and the impending chaos to take place at the convention.

Only Romney and the corrupt old dinosaur GOP gain by silencing us.

[TrishW]

I got nothing.... whatever was he talking about???

[S.Shorland]

So you'd better chip in for parliamentarians/lawyers to attend the conventions.

[FlipObamney]

The Ron Paul Campaign can make all the deals they want.

WE don't have to accept them. This is OUR movement.

[anaconda]

I got nothing.... whatever was he talking about???

I agree. Less clarity is not what I was looking forward to after the last few days.

[speciallyblend]

so what time do we find out? 1234 ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQTVYFRj_UA<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQTVYFRj_UA">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQTVYFRj_UA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQTVYFRj_UA)

[libertybrewcity]

The deal could be a VP pick for Rand. Rand is likeable and he comes from the South. He also carries with him an essential part of the Republican Party: libertarians, Ronulans, and Tea Partiers. He could be the magic key for a Romney win. I'd highly consider voting Republican if that was the case.

[fearthereaperx]

Ron Paul made the right decision.

Probably one of the toughest ones out of his career, if not the toughest. But going forward, it's the right thing to do, so, I applaud him for making that decision in the face of an unpopularity backlash .

We were setting ourselves up for some huge unforeseen, unintended consequences at the convention. The Risk outweighed itself far greater than the reward. And I think the writing on the wall became increasingly apparent after AZ/OK, that he had to make a calculated decision quickly as litigation becomes a step closer to reality in the fight and process to win. Obviously, Ron Paul felt that it wasn't worth sacrificing 40 years worth of gains his message has garnered for an unclear shot-- with guaranteed frenzy and litigation battles-- at the convention that can prove to be detrimental to accelerating the freedom message in the future.

Freedom will be won incrementally, not overnight. And the good news is we have already turned the massive ship.

Paul has successfully changed the national narrative and pleaded his case to anyone that can hear it. It will take 4 years of Romney and the same establishmentarian policies to get the public to finally reconcile their deep-seeded beliefs as they find themselves worse off than in 2012.

That being said, a 2008-style economic crash is not that far out of the picture and can possibly occur anywhere from now until the election--especially with all of the global slowdown, euro-zone breakup, JP morgan, Chesapeake news beginning to hit the headlines. With this scenario, Ron Paul could see immense surging in polls to come in as a viable 3rd party candidate or lockup Romney's VP slot for the immense credibility he brings to the table.(Not to say him and Romney haven't already brokered some sort of deal)

[MyKillK]

If the Ron Paul campaign is self-destructing in order to preserve the political future of Rand Paul, then they will destroy everything this movement has accomplished in the last 5 years.

Likewise, if they think they can influence and change the GOP by playing nice, then they are extremely naive. The only way things are going to change is with a forceful takeover of the party.

[phill4paul]

so what time do we find out?

AFTER the May 17th moneybomb for Campaign for Liberty.

[speciallyblend]

The deal could be a VP pick for Rand. Rand is likeable and he comes from the South. He also carries with him an essential part of the Republican Party: libertarians, Ronulans, and Tea Partiers. He could be the magic key for a Romney win. I'd highly consider voting Republican if that was the case.

Gary Johnson over Romney,hope they say something soon cause i do not want to waste anymore time on a romney/paul ticket. I will never vote for a romney ticket unless romney is vp.

[ronpaulfollower999]

Oh great. More baseless hype. :rolleyes:

[fearthereaperx]

If the Ron Paul campaign is self-destructing in order to preserve the political future of Rand Paul, then they will destroy everything this movement has accomplished in the last 5 years.

Negative.

[anaconda]

The deal could be a VP pick for Rand. Rand is likeable and he comes from the South. He also carries with him an essential part of the Republican Party: libertarians, Ronulans, and Tea Partiers. He could be the magic key for a Romney win. I'd highly consider voting Republican if that was the case.

Why vote for a filthy corrupt administration. A month ago the consensus was that our vote was not for sale with a ridiculous VP slot for Ron or Rand.

[thatpeculiarcat]

The "deal thing" in my opinion is spot on.

I like the posts in this thread pertaining to us not giving up, and us not compromising, this is true, we the voters won't compromise. 4 more years of Obama, or 4/8 years of Romney, it doesn't matter, it just equates to at least 4 years of us getting to say, "We told you so."

It would just be unfortunate to see if a deal really was made. I'm hoping for the best.

[speciallyblend]

AFTER the May 17th moneybomb for Campaign for Liberty.

is this the one where they win or give up?

[anaconda]

Any of you who would vote for Romney, even if he had Ron's full support, are going against everything this movement stands for.

Agreed. Not sure why there is even any discussion otherwise here.

[speciallyblend]

Why vote for a filthy corrupt administration. A month ago the consensus was that our vote was not for sale with a ridiculous VP slot for Ron or Rand.

if the deal is rand or ron as a vp , i just might consider voting obama to send the gop a message! It is like the gop wants me to vote obama against my will. I am gonna need a vacation from this madness. The gop has been nothing but bad health for me! If this is the case all i can say is SOLDOUT!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3WXpNZXayw<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3WXpNZXayw">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3WXpNZXayw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3WXpNZXayw)

[Tyler_Durden]

My take:

Troja Horse strategy. We show up to the conventions. The Romulans do not.

It's not like a Press Release can be sent out. This IS the "barring unforeseen events" Benton talked about.

[anaconda]

is this the one where they win or give up?


I feel your pain.

[bunklocoempire]

Me, last few days.
http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/imagecache/Node_Page/images/1284909765969.png

I'm finding that watching this 500 to 600 times helps:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0GW0Vnr9Yc

:)

[speciallyblend]

I'm finding that watching this 500 to 600 times helps:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0GW0Vnr9Yc

:)

haha it helped me alot the other day , thanks again good stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MngX53etUvc<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MngX53etUvc">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MngX53etUvc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MngX53etUvc)

[Tom in NYC]

Agreed. Not sure why there is even any discussion otherwise here.

I fully agree. But that's why Dr. Paul making a "deal" to get one of our guys in the Cabinet or something to that effect doesn't bother me. It's not like our votes are for sale, and it's not like we can win the nomination realistically at this point, so why not get what amounts to free stuff by cutting a deal?

[anaconda]

if the deal is rand or ron as a vp , i just might consider voting obama to send the gop a message! It is like the gop wants me to vote obama against my will. I am gonna need a vacation from this madness. The gop has been nothing but bad health for me! If this is the case all i can say is SOLDOUT!!

I have decided I will likely vote for Obama. It's not the lesser of two evils. It's a strategic move to increase the likelihood that a liberty candidate might be competitive in 2016. It's beginning to make a lot of sense to me. The worst outcome for The Revolution is a Mittens victory in November.

[puppetmaster]

if there is a deal, it certainly does NOT involve romney......I think I know what is happening and I will not share my thoughts in detail as it would jeopardize the plan if true.

[FlipObamney]

Negative.

Doesn't mean it's not the truth.

I couldn't care less about Rand Paul. If Romney asked him to be VP, I'll pass. Thanks.

[anaconda]

I fully agree. But that's why Dr. Paul making a "deal" to get one of our guys in the Cabinet or something to that effect doesn't bother me. It's not like our votes are for sale, and it's not like we can win the nomination realistically at this point, so why not get what amounts to free stuff by cutting a deal?

Oh hell yes. We'll take free stuff. As long as no one here gives up their vote to Mittens. But it bothers me if our guys are making deals AND expecting us to sell out.

[outspoken]

ron paul teaches us to ALWAYS vote on principle.... how the hell could you do that with casting a vote for Obama!?!

[TrishW]

Why vote for a filthy corrupt administration. A month ago the consensus was that our vote was not for sale with a ridiculous VP slot for Ron or Rand.

I don't know... having Ron just one heart beat away? OK>.. LOL It was a bad joke.

[FlipObamney]

ron paul teaches us to ALWAYS vote on principle.... how the hell could you do that with casting a vote for Obama!?!

If Ron endorses Mittens, or Mittens ask's Rand to be VP. I will vote for Obama out of spite.

[speciallyblend]

if there is a deal, it certainly does NOT involve romney......I think I know what is happening and I will not share my thoughts in detail as it would jeopardize the plan if true.

i so hope your right , RISE UP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hso8luII1BY<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hso8luII1BY">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hso8luII1BY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hso8luII1BY)

[BenMuldowney]

WHAT THE HELL??? now doug wead is running his piehole like jesse benton? these guys are killing us.... who are they actually working for? geezzzz...

scroll down to the podcast and fast fwd to the 6:00 mark:

http://www.oneradionetwork.com/geo-politics/doug-wead-the-great-provocateur-ron-paul-is-the-real-deal-may-15-2012/

"I mean we recognize that Mitt Romney will be the ultimate nominee, that was kind of decided when Rick Santorum bowed out so all that he had gathered that would have worked toward a brokered convention was lost."

-Doug Wead quote from 05/15/2012 podcast radio

[floridasun1983]

WHAT THE HELL??? now doug wead is running his piehole like jesse benton? these guys are killing us.... who are they actually working for? geezzzz...

scroll down to the podcast and fast fwd to the 6:00 mark:

http://www.oneradionetwork.com/geo-politics/doug-wead-the-great-provocateur-ron-paul-is-the-real-deal-may-15-2012/

"I mean we recognize that Mitt Romney will be the ultimate nominee, that was kind of decided when Rick Santorum bowed out so all that he had gathered that would have worked toward a brokered convention was lost."

-Doug Wead quote from 05/15/2012 podcast radioIts all voodoo mind games. We've got Mitt right where we want him, remember.

[dancjm]

Ron Paul made the right decision.

Probably one of the toughest ones out of his career, if not the toughest. But going forward, it's the right thing to do, so, I applaud him for making that decision in the face of an unpopularity backlash .

We were setting ourselves up for some huge unforeseen, unintended consequences at the convention. The Risk outweighed itself far greater than the reward. And I think the writing on the wall became increasingly apparent after AZ/OK, that he had to make a calculated decision quickly as litigation becomes a step closer to reality in the fight and process to win. Obviously, Ron Paul felt that it wasn't worth sacrificing 40 years worth of gains his message has garnered for an unclear shot-- with guaranteed frenzy and litigation battles-- at the convention that can prove to be detrimental to accelerating the freedom message in the future.

Freedom will be won incrementally, not overnight. And the good news is we have already turned the massive ship.

Paul has successfully changed the national narrative and pleaded his case to anyone that can hear it. It will take 4 years of Romney and the same establishmentarian policies to get the public to finally reconcile their deep-seeded beliefs as they find themselves worse off than in 2012.

That being said, a 2008-style economic crash is not that far out of the picture and can possibly occur anywhere from now until the election--especially with all of the global slowdown, euro-zone breakup, JP morgan, Chesapeake news beginning to hit the headlines. With this scenario, Ron Paul could see immense surging in polls to come in as a viable 3rd party candidate or lockup Romney's VP slot for the immense credibility he brings to the table.(Not to say him and Romney haven't already brokered some sort of deal)

No no no no no.

No.

[speciallyblend]

ron paul teaches us to ALWAYS vote on principle.... how the hell could you do that with casting a vote for Obama!?!
the same can be said about romney. bottom line to beat party over principle. We would be forced by the gop to hold principle over party by voting against the gop establishment(romney) rather have 8 yrs of obama then 12 of obamney. by voting against romney, folks would be holding principle over party and saving us from at least 8 years of obamney policies on top of 4 of obama. it boils down to 8 yrs of obama or 12 of obamney policy all the same. personally i perfer 8 over 12 of obama/romney 2012.
edit as i have said 2 options for the gop in tampa ,ron paul or obama! up to the gop now. I did what i could do!

[anaconda]

ron paul teaches us to ALWAYS vote on principle.... how the hell could you do that with casting a vote for Obama!?!

Ron doesn't want people suckered into voting for the system. We may have a liberty candidate positioned to win the White House in 2016. I was thinking that I would use my vote to maximize the the chances of that outcome. My principles are not in question. The strategy is up for discussion. Perhaps I will do as I have been (and as you suggest) and vote for the best liberty candidate.

[speciallyblend]

Ron doesn't want people suckered into voting for the system. We may have a liberty candidate positioned to win the White House in 2016. I was thinking that I would use my vote to maximize the the chances of that outcome. My principles are not in question. The strategy is up for discussion. Perhaps I will do as I have been (and as you suggest) and vote for the best liberty candidate.

I firmly believe a vote for Gary Johnson would equal out to a vote against romney without having to vote for obama! I am comfortable with that.

the only way the gop gets my wifes vote is Ron paul or she will vote gary.

[Plague-of-Locutus]

The title of the thread made me think to myself: "I hope Ron Paul isn't ill. That would suck if he had to quit when so close to the top of the mountain."

[speciallyblend]

hopefully this is a preview to tampa:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbiR6IMf5KQ<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbiR6IMf5KQ">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbiR6IMf5KQ

l (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbiR6IMf5KQ)ook closely the guy with the flame is saying point of order and has his green and red card ready for delegates:)

[robert9712000]

I was still kinda young at 18 ,but i remember a similar sudden change in campaign attitude when Ross Perot Quit then tried to stay in.I forget, what was the original reason Ross Perot dropped out? I think i remember hearing his family was threatened.I hate going down the conspiracy road ,but is it possible when someone threatens the system enough, they are threatened by the establishment ?

[Paulistinian]

My guess:

The campaign knows they can't control the grass roots, Ron has said on many occasions he doesn't control us. Ron knows the delegates won't back Romney for just platform concessions- our delegates have only 1 goal: nominate Ron Paul by any means necessary. So, the best Romney can hope for if we control 2/3 of the delegates is to have a smooth convention. Here is the deal- Romney gives his speech endorsing Ron Paul for nominee and says he hopes to be considered for Vice. Ron Paul delegates go hog wild, nominate Ron Paul, he says he wants Romney for VP. The deal that couldn't be spoken of for 10 years is a deal where Ron Paul becomes president, Romney VP and then Paul steps down after 4 years and either assumes VP or Rand does. Romney will then get to have Potus.

Tl;dr
Ron potus, Romney veep first term. Romney potus, Paul veep second term.

[JK/SEA]

Ron stopped drinking fiji water...details coming.....

Your pal, Doug.

[speciallyblend]

My guess:

The campaign knows they can't control the grass roots, Ron has said on many occasions he doesn't control us. Ron knows the delegates won't back Romney for just platform concessions- our delegates have only 1 goal: nominate Ron Paul by any means necessary. So, the best Romney can hope for if we control 2/3 of the delegates is to have a smooth convention. Here is the deal- Romney gives his speech endorsing Ron Paul for nominee and says he hopes to be considered for Vice. Ron Paul delegates go hog wild, nominate Ron Paul, he says he wants Romney for VP. The deal that couldn't be spoken of for 10 years is a deal where Ron Paul becomes president, Romney VP and then Paul steps down after 4 years and either assumes VP or Rand does. Romney will then get to have Potus.

Tl;dr
Ron potus, Romney veep first term. Romney potus, Paul veep second term.

this should be in the rpf playboy letters subforum, sexy talk growlll sorry good stuff:)

[Eisenhower]

What is a deal going to do when the grassroots collect so many delegates? Ron Paul delegates at the convention will never vote for Romney. This convention will be one hell of a fight, especially if the Paul campaign did happen to make a deal with the establishment devil.

[fearthereaperx]

No no no no no.

No.

Did you listen to the whole interview?

Wead just said that "they" believe that Romney will be the 'ultimate nominee'. And mentioned this became clear when the chances of a brokered convention were ruled out after Santorum dropped out. He also talked about the power we will have of influencing the platform that "it's not possible" for Paul to "become President now."

[anaconda]

I firmly believe a vote for Gary Johnson would equal out to a vote against romney without having to vote for obama!

Not exactly...

A vote for Gary Johnson or a vote for Obama means one less vote for Mittens. But they don't have the same impact on the race. The reason is, of course, that Obama's vote tally increases by one vote if you give it to Obama instead of Johnson. Look at it from Mitten's point of view..assuming he knows he's not going to get your vote, he'd a hell of a lot prefer you vote for Gary Johnson rather than Obama.

[jd603]

The Rand hate is way over done. Look at his voting record and speeches, he's on point and even blocked iran sanctions recently (despite his strange vote for sanctions in 2011, but in his defense sanctions have been used against that region for decades, it's not like he put new sanctions in place). Is he perfect? no. Is he a exact copy of his father? No. ...but I consider him a much better choice than Gary Johnson. the way he words things is basically taken straight from Ron's mouth and he was arrogant enough to run against Ron Paul for the republican nomination? Really?


Doesn't mean it's not the truth.

I couldn't care less about Rand Paul. If Romney asked him to be VP, I'll pass. Thanks.

[speciallyblend]

Did you listen to the whole interview?

Wead just said that "they" believe that Romney will be the 'ultimate nominee'. And mentioned this became clear when the chances of a brokered convention were ruled out after Santorum dropped out. He also talked about the power we will have of influencing the platform that "it's not possible" for Paul to "become President now."

so when should i throw my support behind another campaign. Now or the day after tampa! or does it really matter? I feel like i need to actively campaign for gary johnson now so we can get him in national debates. Gary Johnson can be a huge push for Liberty in the general election even if the gop shuts ron paul out. Which is exactly what the gop establishment did. I would like a pdf copy from every state and if one gop member asks why i will not support romney. I can direct him to a huge file. Not liking what is being said as folks are still fighting for delegate spots etc etc. 7th inning throw the towel in. I think i need sleep working overnight shifts again.

[speciallyblend]

Not exactly...

A vote for Gary Johnson or a vote for Obama means one less vote for Mittens. But they don't have the same impact on the race. The reason is, of course, that Obama's vote tally increases by one vote if you give it to Obama instead of Johnson. Look at it from Mitten's point of view..assuming he knows he's not going to get your vote, he'd a hell of a lot prefer you vote for Gary Johnson rather than Obama.

it is like a bad dream. ok time for 80s rock gotta get the politics out of my head.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3_NgBhgCec<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3_NgBhgCec">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3_NgBhgCec (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3_NgBhgCec)

[fearthereaperx]

Yeah, really. I am surprised there isn't more of a backlash on GJ for having the gall for essentially saying, "Finally, Now it's my turn to take over the Ron Paul Revolution"

[anaconda]

My guess:

The campaign knows they can't control the grass roots, Ron has said on many occasions he doesn't control us. Ron knows the delegates won't back Romney for just platform concessions- our delegates have only 1 goal: nominate Ron Paul by any means necessary. So, the best Romney can hope for if we control 2/3 of the delegates is to have a smooth convention. Here is the deal- Romney gives his speech endorsing Ron Paul for nominee and says he hopes to be considered for Vice. Ron Paul delegates go hog wild, nominate Ron Paul, he says he wants Romney for VP. The deal that couldn't be spoken of for 10 years is a deal where Ron Paul becomes president, Romney VP and then Paul steps down after 4 years and either assumes VP or Rand does. Romney will then get to have Potus.

Tl;dr
Ron potus, Romney veep first term. Romney potus, Paul veep second term.

Romney and Obama play for the same team. As long as one of them is POTUS, they've done their job. Why would Romney nominate Ron Paul? That's not in Mitten's job description.

[jd603]

Probably wont matter IMO, vote gary or write in Ron. Next election is a different story. Gary is the go to guy only if theres nobody better and Rand isn't running. The big problem with libertarian ticket is the deck is stacked against you. Rand has some neocon rhetoric (possibly on purpose to gain broader support) that will allow him a real shot at winning. I think Rand plays politics a little, but again, I think this is done deliberately and not because he's just a slimey weasel or anything like that. I really think he's basically a more polished, political version of ron, but on key issues he sounds like he's in the right place, at least from what i've seen. if he starts selling out and making bad votes i will throw him under the bus though, i wont hang on mindlessly like existing obama supporters are or what people did with bush, i'm not that naive.


so when should i throw my support behind another campaign. Now or the day after tampa! or does it really matter? I feel like i need to actively campaign for gary johnson now so we can get him in national debates. Gary Johnson can be a huge push for Liberty in the general election even if the gop shuts ron paul out. Which is exactly what the gop establishment did. I would like a pdf copy from every state and if one gop member asks why i will not support romney. I can direct him to a huge file. Not liking what is being said as folks are still fighting for delegate spots etc etc. 7th inning throw the towel in. I think i need sleep working overnight shifts again.

[Maltheus]

Yeah, really. I am surprised there isn't more of a backlash on GJ for having the gall for essentially saying, "Finally, Now it's my turn to take over the Ron Paul Revolution"

Well, he never actually said that. But Benton did say that there was no way Paul would endorse GJ, even as he's flirting with possibly supporting Romney. One of the darkest stories I ever heard about Ron Paul was when GJ met with him to annouce that he was going to run and supposedly, Ron Paul just walked out of the room, without saying anything. When they were both asked, at a debate, which candidate on stage would make a good VP, Johnson said Paul, and Paul would even answer. There will be no backlash against Johnson because he's played nice all along, whereas the Paul people haven't. If anything, the backlash will be against Paul, especially if he sells out. And whereas I was on the fence between Rand and Johnson before, I don't see myself ever supporting Rand at this point. Especially not given his connection to Benton.

[speciallyblend]

Well, he never actually said that. But Benton did say that there was no way Paul would endorse GJ, even as he's flirting with possibly supporting Romney. One of the darkest stories I ever heard about Ron Paul was when GJ met with him to annouce that he was going to run and supposedly, Ron Paul just walked out of the room, without saying anything. When they were both asked, at a debate, which candidate on stage would make a good VP, Johnson said Paul, and Paul would even answer. There will be no backlash against Johnson because he's played nice all along, whereas the Paul people haven't. If anything, the backlash will be against Paul, especially if he sells out. And whereas I was on the fence between Rand and Johnson before, I don't see myself ever supporting Rand at this point. Especially not given his connection to Benton.

i hear ya, i remember that debate. We were both watching. My wife is going to support Gary Johnson. I am strongly leaning that way. I will stay a republican but i cannot vote for romney(obama lite) and i have a long list why not.

[Liberty74]

Called it.

They made a deal, it's totally obvious... I just want to know what they settled on...

I have said the same thing for months. Again, 21 debates and neither attacked each other. Plus the campaign said they had been in talks with the Romney camp but refused to say over what.

Is this the reason why Ron never campaigned for the old vote but instead on college campuses? Is this the reason why the delegate game was so important that would give Romney a reason to say, "hey, I hear you and I offer this...?"

Maybe Santorum was right?

[Q11Q]

Wead said that Ron Paul has Integrity, is Honest, is Incorruptible, and that Paul would never Vote for an Unbalanced Budget or Raise Taxes.

Since Romney has already shown his proclivity to be ruthlessly Bain-like when he treated the citizens of Taxachusetts as nothing more than branded cattle to help pay the debt of his progressive political agenda, there is no way Paul would compromise his principles to help get a corrupt politician like Romney elected.

"It's not for public consumption" means to me that that Paul would not ask us to eat a Romney mad-cow diseased Presidency.

Paul is THE REAL DEAL!

[jd603]

Yes but Ron was there long before Gary, it's Ron's last shot, it was selfish for Gary to run against Ron on virtually the same platform in the GOP. If he wanted what was best and put liberty for the people above his own selfishness and ego , then he never would have done it. I wouldn't waste much time attacking Gary, since he at least sounds like a real libertarian... but Rand shouldn't be attacked either... thats probably the Johnson supporters trying to line him up better for next election, whatever. I do see the Rand attacks as way over done though so i've been ranting last few days. getting tired of it now tho. :)


Well, he never actually said that. But Benton did say that there was no way Paul would endorse GJ, even as he's flirting with possibly supporting Romney. One of the darkest stories I ever heard about Ron Paul was when GJ met with him to annouce that he was going to run and supposedly, Ron Paul just walked out of the room, without saying anything. When they were both asked, at a debate, which candidate on stage would make a good VP, Johnson said Paul, and Paul would even answer. There will be no backlash against Johnson because he's played nice all along, whereas the Paul people haven't. If anything, the backlash will be against Paul, especially if he sells out. And whereas I was on the fence between Rand and Johnson before, I don't see myself ever supporting Rand at this point. Especially not given his connection to Benton.

[FlipObamney]

The Rand hate is way over done. Look at his voting record and speeches, he's on point and even blocked iran sanctions recently (despite his strange vote for sanctions in 2011, but in his defense sanctions have been used against that region for decades, it's not like he put new sanctions in place). Is he perfect? no. Is he a exact copy of his father? No. ...but I consider him a much better choice than Gary Johnson. the way he words things is basically taken straight from Ron's mouth and he was arrogant enough to run against Ron Paul for the republican nomination? Really?

For the record, I couldn't care less about Gary Johnson either.

Rand is going to endorse Mitt. That is enough reason for me to never support Rand Paul.

I am one of those people who doesn't vote. Never in my life until I decided to become a Delegate for Ron in Maine. Rand can suck up to the establishment all he wants, he just better realize he will never get my support if he does. I'm talking NEVER. It's something I can't and won't forgive no matter what Rand does in the future. That goes for Ron as well.

If you're comfortable with Rand endorsing Mitt, that's your problem.

[jd603]

For the record, I couldn't care less about Gary Johnson either.

Rand is going to endorse Mitt. That is enough reason for me to never support Rand Paul.

I am one of those people who doesn't vote. Never in my life until I decided to become a Delegate for Ron in Maine. Rand can suck up to the establishment all he wants, he just better realize he will never get my support if he does. I'm talking NEVER. It's something I can't and won't forgive no matter what Rand does in the future. That goes for Ron as well.

If you're comfortable with Rand endorsing Mitt, that's your problem.


Not great if he endorses Mitt, but I think he figures Romney would at least be better than Obama, and I unfortunately think he's probably right... not by much of course. Rand is more of a politician though, like I said. He might just be sucking up to the establishment with moves like that so he has a better shot at president. So far Rand's core values seem to match Ron's for the most part... at least they match Ron's more than other politicians. JFK would have never been elected if he had revealed what he would be trying to do later in his presidency... he began his presidency looking like a puppet stooge. In his case he probably just learned the system and decided to take a stand and hadn't had any plans to do so.

[Cdawg45]

Isn't it possible that that Ron has told Rand that he must appear to conform more closely to the GOP than he did? This isn't because he agrees with Mitt or any other clowns, but because he is smart enough to realize he will never be able to take the movement to the White House unless he can shake the "fringe" label and gain the support of all the sheep in the GOP? Sort of like a trojan horse, then when he gets into the WhiteHouse the army (us) take back control?

[DamianTV]

DO NOT BELIEVE THE MSM MEDIA!

When / IF Rand Paul endorses Romney, then he will lose my support. But until that time, I take EVERYTHING I hear, including what is said on the Forum, what the MSM reports, and what I hear from ANY person at ANY time, I will take such information with a Grain of Salt.

Until such time, my job is to use the MSM's own dirty tactics against them to destroy their credibility and tell people the TRUTH about RON PAUL. He did NOT drop out. He IS winning in Delegate Counts. He IS electable. He IS the BEST choice for President!

[Maltheus]

Yes but Ron was there long before Gary, it's Ron's last shot, it was selfish for Gary to run against Ron on virtually the same platform in the GOP. If he wanted what was best and put liberty for the people above his own selfishness and ego , then he never would have done it. I wouldn't waste much time attacking Gary, since he at least sounds like a real libertarian... but Rand shouldn't be attacked either... thats probably the Johnson supporters trying to line him up better for next election, whatever. I do see the Rand attacks as way over done though so i've been ranting last few days. getting tired of it now tho. :)

Well, not exactly. Back when Johnson got in, it wasn't clear that Ron was going to run this time around. I think he got in like a month later. And quite frankly, I never saw the problem with having two liberty minded candidates in the race. I never considered Johnson selfish for wanting to fight for my freedom. I want as many freedom fighters out there as possible. If anything, I consider Paul selfish for not handing the baton over to Johnson (his son just isn't there yet, and nepotism is creepy).

[jd603]

I'm sure the movement will rally around the right candidate eventually. ...but thats not key to success anyway. Taking over local and state governments is really the key. ..and educating people about the philosophy. :)

I think the "oh no he did two things wrong so i'm not voting for him no matter what" mentality can be harmful if theres no other alternatives tho.


Well, not exactly. Back when Johnson got in, it wasn't clear that Ron was going to run this time around. I think he got in like a month later. And quite frankly, I never saw the problem with having two liberty minded candidates in the race. I never considered Johnson selfish for wanting to fight for my freedom. I want as many freedom fighters out there as possible. If anything, I consider Paul selfish for not handing the baton over to Johnson (his son just isn't there yet, and nepotism is creepy).

[CPUd]

I agree there is a big list of things that shouldn't be said from a Presidential campaign. And in the last 3 days, we've heard them say several of those.

[Diashi]

This is just speculation, and none of us know for sure what's shifting for the campaign. Listening to Doug in the podcast gives me mixed emotions. Regardless of what Paul chooses to do, I plan to see this fight to the end. Even if Paul taps out, we will not take it. We've been wronged by the media, by Mitt's campaign, I won't let them walk away in Tampa without a fight.

[Maltheus]

I'm sure the movement will rally around the right candidate eventually. ...but thats not key to success anyway. Taking over local and state governments is really the key. ..and educating people about the philosophy. :)

I think the "oh no he did two things wrong so i'm not voting for him no matter what" mentality can be harmful if theres no other alternatives tho.

I very much agree. But the problem with the campaign, this time around, is that this was actively discouraged. We were told to campaign from the shadows, not say who we were supporting, nor pledge. We here in CO practically begged our local coordinator to let us go public, because we wanted to work on expanding our presence here in the party locally, more than even getting Paul elected. Instead, we were told to shut up and vote for Santorum delegates. They (Holdridge and Benton) then lied about us to the other CDs and even worked behind our backs with the local GOP chair (further undermining what we've been working on for the past 5 years).

Yeah, for me, it's all about local politics going forward. I'll vote for Johnson, but I won't work his campaign like I did for Paul.

[DamianTV]

So what happens when Ron Paul wins?

Do we expect him to do all the work and we can all just go back to sleep? NO! We have a LOT more work ahead of us and a LOT more that needs to be done in order to restore this country to the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave! As much as we all support Ron Paul, when we accomplish that goal, we need to continue Moving Forward. We need to continue working hard to free everyone from the Matrix. We cant afford to be Lazy! We need to be Ever Vigilant as the attacks from Evil will never ever cease, regardless of how many victories that we win. For Evil to Triumph, all a Good man has to do is Nothing. We can not afford to ever let our guard down again!

The fight will continue on many years after Ron Paul, as long as the ideas of Liberty and Freedom are alive in the minds and the hearts of the People.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

They made a deal, it's totally obvious...

They made a deal, we didn't. We are party to no deal. End of discussion.


Yep.

[TrishW]

Not exactly...

A vote for Gary Johnson or a vote for Obama means one less vote for Mittens. But they don't have the same impact on the race. The reason is, of course, that Obama's vote tally increases by one vote if you give it to Obama instead of Johnson. Look at it from Mitten's point of view..assuming he knows he's not going to get your vote, he'd a hell of a lot prefer you vote for Gary Johnson rather than Obama.

I will probably vote for Obama, for two reasons. One.... I actually think Obama is getting tired of war, and Mitt has said that he will not hold back against Iran. He thinks Obama has been too soft. The other reason is I am really tired of bankers and bail outs, and I think Mitt would not hesitate to help them out.

So, I will always support Ron and anyone like him that runs for any office. But I will never vote for Romney.

I was considering a write in for Ron Paul, and I still may do that.

[Maltheus]

I will probably vote for Obama, for two reasons. One.... I actually think Obama is getting tired of war, and Mitt has said that he will not hold back against Iran. He thinks Obama has been too soft. The other reason is I am really tired of bankers and bail outs, and I think Mitt would not hesitate to help them out.

So, I will always support Ron and anyone like him that runs for any office. But I will never vote for Romney.

I was considering a write in for Ron Paul, and I still may do that.

Please don't vote for the least of two evils. Find someone you can truly support or don't vote at all. Your one vote is not all that important in the grand scheme of things, and all your defiance will earn you is complicity with every illegal action that Obama engages in. The effect of a single vote in a national campaign is not worth selling your soul over.

[trey4sports]

My guess:

The campaign knows they can't control the grass roots, Ron has said on many occasions he doesn't control us. Ron knows the delegates won't back Romney for just platform concessions- our delegates have only 1 goal: nominate Ron Paul by any means necessary. So, the best Romney can hope for if we control 2/3 of the delegates is to have a smooth convention. Here is the deal- Romney gives his speech endorsing Ron Paul for nominee and says he hopes to be considered for Vice. Ron Paul delegates go hog wild, nominate Ron Paul, he says he wants Romney for VP. The deal that couldn't be spoken of for 10 years is a deal where Ron Paul becomes president, Romney VP and then Paul steps down after 4 years and either assumes VP or Rand does. Romney will then get to have Potus.

Tl;dr
Ron potus, Romney veep first term. Romney potus, Paul veep second term.

your guess or your fantasy?


Did you listen to the whole interview?

Wead just said that "they" believe that Romney will be the 'ultimate nominee'. And mentioned this became clear when the chances of a brokered convention were ruled out after Santorum dropped out. He also talked about the power we will have of influencing the platform that "it's not possible" for Paul to "become President now."

Romney is going to be the nominee. every cycle there is some gimmicky idea that gets people excited only to let them down when ron does get the nod and unfortunately it will be that way until Mitt is crowned GOP king.


i hear ya, i remember that debate. We were both watching. My wife is going to support Gary Johnson. I am strongly leaning that way. I will stay a republican but i cannot vote for romney(obama lite) and i have a long list why not.

i will support GJ as well.


Not great if he endorses Mitt, but I think he figures Romney would at least be better than Obama, and I unfortunately think he's probably right... not by much of course. Rand is more of a politician though, like I said. He might just be sucking up to the establishment with moves like that so he has a better shot at president. So far Rand's core values seem to match Ron's for the most part... at least they match Ron's more than other politicians. JFK would have never been elected if he had revealed what he would be trying to do later in his presidency... he began his presidency looking like a puppet stooge. In his case he probably just learned the system and decided to take a stand and hadn't had any plans to do so.

meh, who knows.


Isn't it possible that that Ron has told Rand that he must appear to conform more closely to the GOP than he did? This isn't because he agrees with Mitt or any other clowns, but because he is smart enough to realize he will never be able to take the movement to the White House unless he can shake the "fringe" label and gain the support of all the sheep in the GOP? Sort of like a trojan horse, then when he gets into the WhiteHouse the army (us) take back control?

I believe the crux of this "deal" is probably Romney giving the future of the party to Rand. He probably said that he will nominally support the libertarian wing of the party and allow them to gain power.


DO NOT BELIEVE THE MSM MEDIA!

When / IF Rand Paul endorses Romney, then he will lose my support. But until that time, I take EVERYTHING I hear, including what is said on the Forum, what the MSM reports, and what I hear from ANY person at ANY time, I will take such information with a Grain of Salt.

Until such time, my job is to use the MSM's own dirty tactics against them to destroy their credibility and tell people the TRUTH about RON PAUL. He did NOT drop out. He IS winning in Delegate Counts. He IS electable. He IS the BEST choice for President!

Even those in Ron's camp. are saying that the nomination is out of reach.

[extrmmxer]

I hate to speculate but...... Could Paul have a health problem that they're not willing to discuss? I hope not but just a thought.

[Evilfox]

last time I seen a pick of frothy I thought he had a health problem

[Carlybee]

I think its more likely they threatened his sons political career. We are not dealing with honorable people..we are dealing with the party that set us on a course of neverending war and who is owned by big banking, big pharma, and War,Inc. How soon people forget.

[TrishW]

I hate to speculate but...... Could Paul have a health problem that they're not willing to discuss? I hope not but just a thought.

I was wondering the same thing.

[jay_dub]

Personally, I'm waiting for Friday and Ron's speech in Minnesota and wondering if he'll address the 600 Lb. gorilla in the room or stick to the standard speech.

[coffeewithchess]

Better be good... all I gots to say

Good in this situation only = NOMINATION.

Nothing else. Nothing about cabinet positions, Federal Reserve chief, VP slot, or anything else...the machine is too huge and well oiled for RP to have any effect there. RP needs the presidency to hopefully show the American people what has been going on, and hopefully set a world record for the number of vetoes...other than that, I don't expect much.

[liveandletlive]

i hope Ron is OK and will not be endorsing Romney

[D.A.S.]

Good in this situation only = NOMINATION.

Nothing else. Nothing about cabinet positions, Federal Reserve chief, VP slot, or anything else...the machine is too huge and well oiled for RP to have any effect there. RP needs the presidency to hopefully show the American people what has been going on, and hopefully set a world record for the number of vetoes...other than that, I don't expect much.

I'd like him to be head of the Federal Reserve if all else fails -- that's putting a cat right into the rats' nest :-)

Of course I don't mean that as a compromise -- I won't vote for Romney as President no matter what deal they figure out. But I would love to see Ron heading the Fed sometime if that's the only thing he CAN do.

[Number19]

Does anyone think that HR 347 could be the reason for Ron Paul's decision? Google it. It's bad, really bad.

[parocks]

Only neocons use math and try to analyze correctly results that seem negative.

</s>.


WHAT THE HELL??? now doug wead is running his piehole like jesse benton? these guys are killing us.... who are they actually working for? geezzzz...

scroll down to the podcast and fast fwd to the 6:00 mark:

http://www.oneradionetwork.com/geo-politics/doug-wead-the-great-provocateur-ron-paul-is-the-real-deal-may-15-2012/

"I mean we recognize that Mitt Romney will be the ultimate nominee, that was kind of decided when Rick Santorum bowed out so all that he had gathered that would have worked toward a brokered convention was lost."

-Doug Wead quote from 05/15/2012 podcast radio

[Aden]

A deal won't work, you can't /deliver/ ron paul delegates to romney, not gonna happen. The mentality of libertarians and liberty loving people is "you are not the boss of me" , I don't consider ron paul the boss of me nor anyone else on the campaign. That being said, I don't believe the statements made by the campaign will hurt the outcome much. It's this line of thinking that makes me think there is strategy in play at the campaign, they have to know their supporters better than that... they had to know the supporters wouldn't listen. Regardless, if they are planning a deal it won't work anyway. So, KEEP ON GOING, this revolution is ours, not ron paul's and not jesse benton's.

This post captures my sentiments. Ron Paul could come out tomorrow and personally beg for all of us to stop becoming delegates and working the process, and 90% of us would ignore him. Sorry Paul campaign and your shady deals, but we are about the message not about the campaign or even Ron Paul. Ron Paul is just the best vehicle for us spreading the message. Once he ceases to be that vehicle, we will continue on without him.

[TrishW]

Does anyone think that HR 347 could be the reason for Ron Paul's decision? Google it. It's bad, really bad.

Ron Paul was one of only three Representatives who voted against it. It passed the senate with no one voting against. Rand Paul voted Yea! When Obama signs it we can all say bye bye to the first amendment of our Constitution

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

[MarcusI]

WHAT THE HELL??? now doug wead is running his piehole like jesse benton? these guys are killing us.... who are they actually working for? geezzzz...

scroll down to the podcast and fast fwd to the 6:00 mark:

http://www.oneradionetwork.com/geo-politics/doug-wead-the-great-provocateur-ron-paul-is-the-real-deal-may-15-2012/

"I mean we recognize that Mitt Romney will be the ultimate nominee, that was kind of decided when Rick Santorum bowed out so all that he had gathered that would have worked toward a brokered convention was lost."

-Doug Wead quote from 05/15/2012 podcast radio

Sorry, but from a statistical point of view, Wead was absolutely right on this one. The Race was over when Santa dropped out, because, as everybody should suppose, Santas Delegates would most likely vote for Romney in the end (after unbinding). I think there the bigger question is: Why did Santa drop out?

[Danjlion7]

Good in this situation only = NOMINATION.

Nothing else. Nothing about cabinet positions, Federal Reserve chief, VP slot, or anything else...the machine is too huge and well oiled for RP to have any effect there. RP needs the presidency to hopefully show the American people what has been going on, and hopefully set a world record for the number of vetoes...other than that, I don't expect much.

+rep

[RickyJ]

I want Ron to win.

I could live with a VP deal and vote for Romney.

I could live with platform changes and vote for GJ.

How could Ron embrace Romney's issues? He never has his entire political life, why would he now? He would not take VP if it was offered to him.

I am not sure what this super secret campaign strategy is, but so far I say it sucks! And what is with the secrets anyway? It is no secret that Ron Paul said the rest of the Republican field of candidates for president are just like Obama, maybe only being slightly better. Ron would never endorse Romney, if he did the Ron Paul revolution would be over, but the revolution for true freedom and justice for all Americans will never end. Ron Paul himself couldn't end this movement if he wanted to. We need to win THIS election, we may not have the luxury of time to try again in 2016 after a very likely WW3 would have taken place and a very, very different America emerges. If Ron Paul doesn't run third party then we need someone we can trust that will. GJ isn't that guy for me, I don't trust him because of what he did as governor of New Mexico. Out of over 300 million Americans there has to be at minimum of 100 people we could choose that are ready, willing and capable of running for president and winning. We have been letting the corporate media and the elite pick our presidents. Now with the message of freedom for all and a candidate that will go all out to win the White House we have an opportunity to take back our nation through peaceful means. Ron Paul can be that guy, but if not, there has to be someone else out there.

[phyregold]

You know everybody wants someone to sign a petition before tampa.


Well damn it I got an idea. Let's make our own


The liberty for bust petition.

Nomination or 3rd party!

[Pisces]

The youtube video in the OP does make it sound like a deal is in the works. However, when I listened to the podcast, Doug's following comments on the division in the Romney camp over whether Ron should speak at the convention left me with the opposite impression. People who are getting upset about possible deal-making should really listen to the podcast starting at about 45 minutes and then continue to listen past the part excerpted in the youtube video. I'm curious to see if others get the same impression as I did.

Actually, the entire interview is fascinating.

[susano]

So what happens when Ron Paul wins?

Do we expect him to do all the work and we can all just go back to sleep? NO! We have a LOT more work ahead of us and a LOT more that needs to be done in order to restore this country to the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave! As much as we all support Ron Paul, when we accomplish that goal, we need to continue Moving Forward. We need to continue working hard to free everyone from the Matrix. We cant afford to be Lazy! We need to be Ever Vigilant as the attacks from Evil will never ever cease, regardless of how many victories that we win. For Evil to Triumph, all a Good man has to do is Nothing. We can not afford to ever let our guard down again!

The fight will continue on many years after Ron Paul, as long as the ideas of Liberty and Freedom are alive in the minds and the hearts of the People.

While I don't feel like we have four more years, considering the Messiah's hyper-speed Marxist attacks on what's left of us, what you've said is exactly right. That's how the communists and Zionists infiltrated every aspect of American politics and institutions. Shit, those people have 100 year plans and we're witnessing the fruition of that evil. I am soooooo sick of politics and I always marvel how relentless the MSNBC shills are. Every day, non stop haranguing for the communist agenda. I'm surprised they don't get sick of their own voices, but they obviously don't.

[FlipObamney]

The Race was over when Santa dropped out, because, as everybody should suppose, Santas Delegates would most likely vote for Romney in the end (after unbinding).

I wouldn't be so sure about your assumption.

I was sitting next to a sweater-vest wearing Santorum supporter at the Maine Convention. After 5-10 minutes of conversation, he asked me if he could copy our slate. Then, he and his wife voted along with us and were ultimately the last 2 votes we needed to secure the Chairman of the Convention that we selected. Without them voting with us, hard telling what would have happened in Maine.

This video has nothing to do with the Santorum supporter, just the results of Chairman and Secretary of the Convention.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12ih9SJVJvA&feature=plcp

[susano]

I will probably vote for Obama, for two reasons. One.... I actually think Obama is getting tired of war, and Mitt has said that he will not hold back against Iran. He thinks Obama has been too soft. The other reason is I am really tired of bankers and bail outs, and I think Mitt would not hesitate to help them out.

So, I will always support Ron and anyone like him that runs for any office. But I will never vote for Romney.

I was considering a write in for Ron Paul, and I still may do that.

What is this, the Twilight Zone? Do you know ANYTHING about Obama? He is OWNED by the banksters and he just attacked Libya and is bombing Yemen. What is with you you people saying you would vote for this anti American monster? Have you been taken in by his slick presentation? Have you guys ever heard of undervoting? That means you skip the top of the ticket when Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum are the only 'choices'. I hope you get a hold of yourself and realize you're falling right into the NWO trap of picking the lesser of two evils.

[susano]

Please don't vote for the least of two evils. Find someone you can truly support or don't vote at all. Your one vote is not all that important in the grand scheme of things, and all your defiance will earn you is complicity with every illegal action that Obama engages in. The effect of a single vote in a national campaign is not worth selling your soul over.

THANK YOU. I had not read your post before making mine (before this one) saying the same thing. How easily people are manipulated into the NWO straight jacket.

[parocks]

Sorry, but from a statistical point of view, Wead was absolutely right on this one. The Race was over when Santa dropped out, because, as everybody should suppose, Santas Delegates would most likely vote for Romney in the end (after unbinding). I think there the bigger question is: Why did Santa drop out?

Yeah, but it wasn't delegates, it was votes in primaries. Romney started getting over 50% of the votes consistently everywhere after Santorum left. Yes, votes mean delegates. Romney starting getting most of the votes/delegates after Santorum left.

[susano]

Does anyone think that HR 347 could be the reason for Ron Paul's decision? Google it. It's bad, really bad.

I don't know what that has to do with Ron Paul and the nomination but I didn't know about this Zionazi legislation! My God, we need a Most Wanted list of these criminals.

Let's Name The Traitor's / Senate Bill S.1794/ HR. 347 Makes Protest Of Any Type A Felony With 10 Years In Federal Prison

http://wramsite.com/profiles/blogs/let-s-name-the-traitor-s-senate-bill-s-1794-hr-347-makes-protest

[susano]

Ron Paul was one of only three Representatives who voted against it. It passed the senate with no one voting against. Rand Paul voted Yea! When Obama signs it we can all say bye bye to the first amendment of our Constitution

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Rand Paul voted FOR this? OMFG.

[2young2vote]

I'm not voting for Romney, even if Ron has a VP spot. That is all I'm going to say.

[Ivash]

My guess:

The campaign knows they can't control the grass roots, Ron has said on many occasions he doesn't control us. Ron knows the delegates won't back Romney for just platform concessions- our delegates have only 1 goal: nominate Ron Paul by any means necessary. So, the best Romney can hope for if we control 2/3 of the delegates is to have a smooth convention. Here is the deal- Romney gives his speech endorsing Ron Paul for nominee and says he hopes to be considered for Vice. Ron Paul delegates go hog wild, nominate Ron Paul, he says he wants Romney for VP. The deal that couldn't be spoken of for 10 years is a deal where Ron Paul becomes president, Romney VP and then Paul steps down after 4 years and either assumes VP or Rand does. Romney will then get to have Potus.

Tl;dr
Ron potus, Romney veep first term. Romney potus, Paul veep second term.

It won't happen. I can't believe anyone even thinks this is possible.

[MarcusI]

I wouldn't be so sure about your assumption.

I was sitting next to a sweater-vest wearing Santorum supporter at the Maine Convention. After 5-10 minutes of conversation, he asked me if he could copy our slate. Then, he and his wife voted along with us and were ultimately the last 2 votes we needed to secure the Chairman of the Convention that we selected. Without them voting with us, hard telling what would have happened in Maine.

Yeah I know the story and the hardcore Santorum fans probably would even rather vote for Paul than for Romney. But I think the delegates, who are going to represent Santorum in Tampa will mostly vote Romney when unbound.

[SludgeFactory]

Please don't vote for the least of two evils. Find someone you can truly support or don't vote at all. Your one vote is not all that important in the grand scheme of things, and all your defiance will earn you is complicity with every illegal action that Obama engages in. The effect of a single vote in a national campaign is not worth selling your soul over.

Agreed, if you are going to vote for evil, might as well vote for the greatest evil:
http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/attachments/general-chat/168225d1304382131-alternative-vote-cthulhu2012.jpg

Personally, I prefer the 2008 platform

http://cthulhu2008.blogspot.com/

[papitosabe]

after all RP has done for the liberty movement, people think he made a deal with the devil???? what the hell?? none of us know, so how about something positive, instead of so much negativity, and putting those thoughts into other supporters that may take that and quit campaigning for RP... if you have info based on facts and evidence, please provide them...until then, you know nothing...to the rest of real RP supporters, Don't Retreat!! HOLD THE LINE, and PUSH FORWARD!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2h-9eUyeuY

[SludgeFactory]

Rand Paul voted FOR this? OMFG.

I heard about this somewhere else earlier today and would certainly like to know more on if he really did and, if so, why.

[cindy25]

I want Ron to win.

I could live with a VP deal and vote for Romney.

I could live with platform changes and vote for GJ.

depends on the platform changes; has to include military (offense not defense) cuts

[susano]

I heard about this somewhere else earlier today and would certainly like to know more on if he really did and, if so, why.

See the Rand section of this forum. I found a thread on it and posted to it so it should be on the first page. Apparently, it was one of those deals where if nobody (senators) objected it was passed. He didn't object. WTF??? I'm not a Rand fan but this is really a slap in the face, right there with the PATRIOT Act and NDAA.

When he was first running and after I sent him 50 bucks, I got an email from his campaign about his standing with Israel. From that very moment, I deeply regretted giving my money and making the stupid assumption that he was anything like his father. My bad.

[susano]

I can't see Ron Paul making any deals with Romney or accepting being Romney's flunky (veep). Talk of influencing the GOP platform is a joke. Who ever follows the platform? That's meaningless. Ron Paul certainly knows that.

I'm not voting for any Zionist war mongering neocon globalist, EVER. I wouldn't care if Jesus Christ was his running mate.

[cindy25]

I'm not voting for Romney, even if Ron has a VP spot. That is all I'm going to say.

1 in 6 presidents were VP first

[speciallyblend]

I wouldn't be so sure about your assumption.

I was sitting next to a sweater-vest wearing Santorum supporter at the Maine Convention. After 5-10 minutes of conversation, he asked me if he could copy our slate. Then, he and his wife voted along with us and were ultimately the last 2 votes we needed to secure the Chairman of the Convention that we selected. Without them voting with us, hard telling what would have happened in Maine.

This video has nothing to do with the Santorum supporter, just the results of Chairman and Secretary of the Convention.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12ih9SJVJvA&feature=plcp

nice , i am not sure why folks think santorum folks will line up by romney. the pro-life is a huge issue to them and at the colorado convention i found many santorum allies. If we did not have the santorum folks . We would of got slaughter saturday at convention and probably not done as well on friday

[Guzabuza]

Most of you here are jumping the gun way to early. Why all this negativity ? I find it funny that here on Ron Paul forums, the atmosphere is like in the stock market. Goes in cycles from euphoria to negativity and then to euphoria again, hehehe.... =)

Could it not be that Ron knows that the campaign will have a lot of delegates? Maybe even more then Romney? Think about that, what if you knew that you have more delegates, would you go and scream it out loud right before the convention so that the GOP has time to prepare and counter this in some way at the convention OR will you start sending counter intuitive messages like... well yea, Romney has a lot of delegates we don't know exactly if we are able to beat him.

Let the enemy feel secure before the battle and then cut him down in the midst of the final clash!

[LibertyEagle]

Dr. Paul didn't make any deals, people.

[affa]

Ron Paul or not at all.

No deal. Unless that deal is Ron Paul as president, ending the wars, and ending the Fed. Then, maybe, a deal.

[CPUd]

Dr. Paul didn't make any deals, people.

I don't think so either. At least, not in the sense as is being discussed in this thread. Listening to the whole interview with Wead, especially the part at the end right before he said Ron and Rand are the 'real deal', he's putting out a clear message that those kind of deals are not the kind that Ron has ever done, and note the emphasis he places on that statement.

Also, I believe if there were such a deal being sought by the other side, Ron wouldn't agree to anything that is against the best interests of the grassroots.

The RNC and Romney camp really have no choice but to deal with the grassroots; unfortunately, they're not very good at that, it seems.

[speciallyblend]

bottom line any negativity was created by the ron paul campaign by what they said. The campaign screwed up by what they said. They are the ones that started this demotivation. They should choose their words more carefully. It is the campaign that has had to reassure and back track to try to fend this off because they started the BULLSHIT!!!! People are fin upset because we are all working our butts off to win the nomination. It is and was like someone hitting you with a baseball bat while your trying to WIN and fight for Ron Paul. The problem is the gop establishment not ron paul supporters. to much to argue now but it is fin bullshit! I hope the campaign just blacks themselves out if they are not going to help us fight or back the grassroots up. The gop establishment is what ron paul should be directing his attention to not grassroots. fighting state gop's breaking rules. I hope this is all a false flag created by the rp hq? either way it is very damaging to the grassroots and motivating folks to get involved. I have plan a- Ron Paul and plan b Gary Johnson, i do not even want to consider plan c-obama over romney. I wanna hear IN IT TO WIN IT, not what i have heard the last few days. It sure brought me to reality, i better plan for plan b a lil more.

[WeThePeople777]

Whatever's happening, will certainly be interesting...

[RickyJ]

Whatever's happening, will certainly be interesting...

Yeah, I think we would all like to know the "secret" that he just can't tell us.

[Mordan]

I have decided I will likely vote for Obama. It's not the lesser of two evils. It's a strategic move to increase the likelihood that a liberty candidate might be competitive in 2016. It's beginning to make a lot of sense to me. The worst outcome for The Revolution is a Mittens victory in November.

+1111

If the Liberty movement wants to continue growing, we need the GOP down in shambles with Romney losing. I do not want Ron or Rand as VP. That would be the worst. The Establishment would co-op us and destroy us from within.

[Jarg]

Hopefully he got something good from romney LOL like audit of fed or any thing... not just fucken good speaking time

[CPUd]

Yeah, I think we would all like to know the "secret" that he just can't tell us.

I think people are reading too much into that. He made that statement when directly asked a question about the inner workings of the campaign, and what was likely a private momernt. Rather than spin it or flat out lie to the interviewer, Wead was just trying to tactfully say he's not gonna answer that question.

Remember what happened the last time Wead mentioned a particular day was 'an important day'

[MelissaCato]

Maybe Mittens will do the honest thing, manup an do whats right for America and the Republican party - DROP OUT!!

[RickyJ]

Maybe Mittens will do the honest thing, manup an do whats right for America and the Republican party - DROP OUT!!

The bankers won't let him. They own him now.

[MelissaCato]

The bankers won't let him. They own him now.That's exactly why he should. Would be Mittens best political move ever on the road to 2020. LOL

[Matthanuf06]

I really don't understand why people wouldn't vote for Romney/Rand. Sure it is 4 more years of Obama-lite, but it greatly enhances Rand's chance of winning in the future. As it stands now Rubio would probably wipe the floor with him. However, if he gets the VP slot then the tide will turn to his favor.

While this movement was always about integrity of the ideals, it also had a long-term vision. Voting Romney/Rand over Obama/Biden (or no vote) doesn't mean you agree with Romney, but rather you are taking a longer-term vision of the movement so that we can make real changes in the future. Voting GJ or not voting at all gets us Obama for 4 more years, then Rubio or Jeb Bush. Hip hip hooray. No thanks. If we are stuck with a shitty 4 or 8 years I'd rather at least have the light at the end of the tunnel to work towards.

[MelissaCato]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SfnnjtOxFE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[freedoms-light]

Can't say I even remotely agree wit the "wipe the floor" part but-
Don't want to think of the exposure and name recognition to be gained by a Rubio VP candidacy, not even considering
him winning and serving one or two terms as VP. Might give him too much of a head start on Rand for 2016/2020.


I really don't understand why people wouldn't vote for Romney/Rand. Sure it is 4 more years of Obama-lite, but it greatly enhances Rand's chance of winning in the future. As it stands now Rubio would probably wipe the floor with him. However, if he gets the VP slot then the tide will turn to his favor.

While this movement was always about integrity of the ideals, it also had a long-term vision. Voting Romney/Rand over Obama/Biden (or no vote) doesn't mean you agree with Romney, but rather you are taking a longer-term vision of the movement so that we can make real changes in the future. Voting GJ or not voting at all gets us Obama for 4 more years, then Rubio or Jeb Bush. Hip hip hooray. No thanks. If we are stuck with a shitty 4 or 8 years I'd rather at least have the light at the end of the tunnel to work towards.

[KMX]

The thing he can't tell us is, We have LOT'S of delegates to play with and we don't want to give the Establishment time to organize and ruin what we are doing.

[libertygirl2]

Romney is not going to ask Ron to be his VP. It would be political suicide. Have we all forgotten how much the establishment despises Ron Paul? The Republicans would rather lose to Obama than let Ron into their little club.

[ClydeCoulter]

Romney is not going to ask Ron to be his VP. It would be political suicide. Have we all forgotten how much the establishment despises Ron Paul? The Republicans would rather lose to Obama than let Ron into their little club.

Yea, for the establishment to support Ron Paul would be like the lion putting the thorn from his foot onto his crown. So let's take the crown from them and give it to the rightful owner at this time :)

[hrdman2luv]

It's not in the interest of Paul or Romney for a ruckus to take place at the convention. I'm sure both parties came together and agreed on some things conceding to Paul (Benton laid them out) in order to drown down the racking up of delegates and the impending chaos to take place at the convention.

Wasn't that the motivating force behind this movement? To shake things up. To make things more transparent. To weed out the corrupition, so that future generations can compete on the same lever as the establishment?

We all know, the only chaos that took place was either due from the GOP breaking their own rules, or the Romney people getting violent.

[RickyJ]

If some sort of deal has been made, and let's face it, that is a possibility considering Paul never went after Romney like he could have in this race, then I would like to hear what the deal is exactly. I have a feeling we aren't going to find out until the convention in August.

[Todd]

I will probably vote for Obama, for two reasons. One.... I actually think Obama is getting tired of war.

Sorry to disagree with you

US drone strikes in Yemen (http://news.antiwar.com/2012/05/15/us-drone-strikes-in-yemen-kill-up-to-12-civilians/)

Drone strikes in Pakistan (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/2-pakistani-lawsuits-pressure-government-to-deal-with-cia-drone-strikes/2012/05/14/gIQA9JrLPU_print.html)

[Carlybee]

Romney will pick a VP that can help deliver the Tea Party and evangelical votes in the general. That will be someone who supports zionism.

[francisco]

Originally Posted by TrishW

I will probably vote for Obama, for two reasons. One.... I actually think Obama is getting tired of war.


Originally Posted by Todd


Sorry to disagree with you

US drone strikes in Yemen

Drone strikes in Pakistan

Not to mention the 30,000 drones about to be deployed right in this country

Hidden in plain sight: Obama has done more to revoke civil liberties than any other president (with the possible exception of that great progressive FDR, with his internment camps)

[jd603]

Disagree, if he attaches himself to Romney, Romney's terrible presidency will probably taint Rand's name too and nobody will vote for him.


I really don't understand why people wouldn't vote for Romney/Rand. Sure it is 4 more years of Obama-lite, but it greatly enhances Rand's chance of winning in the future. As it stands now Rubio would probably wipe the floor with him. However, if he gets the VP slot then the tide will turn to his favor.

While this movement was always about integrity of the ideals, it also had a long-term vision. Voting Romney/Rand over Obama/Biden (or no vote) doesn't mean you agree with Romney, but rather you are taking a longer-term vision of the movement so that we can make real changes in the future. Voting GJ or not voting at all gets us Obama for 4 more years, then Rubio or Jeb Bush. Hip hip hooray. No thanks. If we are stuck with a shitty 4 or 8 years I'd rather at least have the light at the end of the tunnel to work towards.

[Carlybee]

Voting for Romney means more war, more loss of civil liberties and the GOP still spends like drunken sailors...they jujst spend differently than Dems. Sheesh. We dont even know who he would ask to be his veep so Im dang sure not committing to something that is unknown and doubtful to begin with.

[V3n]

If some sort of deal has been made, and let's face it, that is a possibility considering Paul never went after Romney like he could have in this race, then I would like to hear what the deal is exactly. I have a feeling we aren't going to find out until the convention in August.

What if there's a deal with Santorum/Gingrich to get their delegates to 'abstain' the first vote - then you've got Santorum+Paul+Gingrich delegate totals vs. Romney.. maybe those guys want a brokered convention just as much and are willing to play the odds they'll be the last man standing..

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxr965cDzb1qguhbt.gif

[TheTexan]

IMO Dr. Paul knows we aren't going to win our freedom back by playing politics but can't say that, it's up to us to figure that out