Elizabeth Warren, Harvard’s first “woman of color”

[Agorism]

Elizabeth Warren, Harvard’s first “woman of color”

Pale Pink kind of-


http://hotair.com/archives/2012/05/15/1997-fordham-law-article-elizabeth-warren-is-harvards-first-woman-of-color



Elizabeth Warren has pushed back hard on questions about a Harvard Crimson piece in 1996 that described her as Native American, saying she had no idea the school where she taught law was billing her that way and saying it never came up during her hiring a year earlier, which others have backed up.

But a 1997 Fordham Law Review piece described her as Harvard Law School’s “first woman of color,” based, according to the notes at the bottom of the story, on a “telephone interview with Michael Chmura, News Director, Harvard Law (Aug. 6, 1996).”…

The description of her as a minority is coming from the same person – Chmura – whose comments to the Crimson sparked the original story about her heritage, and Warren’s camp argued it’s old news.

She has said she had no idea Harvard was billing her that way or how the school found out that her family claims Native American heritage. She learned of it first from the Herald story, she said.



riginally announced they found evidence of Elizabeth Warren’s Native American heritage, said today they have discovered no documentation to back up claims that she is 1/32 Cherokee.

“NEHGS has not expressed a position on whether Mrs. Warren has Native American ancestry, nor do we possess any primary sources to prove that she is,” said Tom Champoux, spokesman for the NEHGS. “We have no proof that Elizabeth Warren’s great great great grandmother O.C. Sarah Smith either is or is not of Cherokee descent.”

The Herald reported today that an Oklahoma county clerk said a document purporting to prove Warren’s Cherokee roots does not exist. ReJeania Zmek, the Logan County Clerk, said there are no marriage applications from 1894 — despite claims from a Warren family newsletter and NEHGS genealogist Chris Child that indicated otherwise.

[Agorism]

bump

[oyarde]

Harvard , chuckle ...

[Agorism]

First pale pink woman of harvard.

[LimitedGovernment]

You know, I've already dealt with the issues involved with this directly with you in another thread, so I get you starting a new one to divert attention.

What I don't get is why this even matters so much to you. I mean, why Elizabeth Warren, of all people you could target? What is it about her that makes you see her as worse than others and more deserving of an attack that has nothing to do with her policies? An attack, that by reasonable analysis, seems to be more on the institution she was hired by?

All of this, keeping in mind that her causes have been eliminating things like deceptive and complex "small print" legalese and making bankruptcy proceedings easier for middle-class families.

Warren's Newsweek quote on the bailouts was "To restore some basic sanity to the financial system, we need two central changes: fix broken consumer-credit markets and end guarantees for the big players that threaten our entire economic system."

The reason she didn't end up the director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is that the financial institutions, some Republicans in congress, and Timothy Geithner were against her. I don't see why that doesn't sound good to you.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz7ruJw6byQ




If we're going to look at the hiring decision, we need to look at the actual CVs that were up for the job. Candidates from "low ranked" universities can do better work.

However, you are right that minority status plays a role in hiring - it has to by federal law. That, again, doesn't mean that the candidate is at fault if a bad hiring decision is made. It means that the selection committee is.

Might she have emphasized her NA family members' background during her campus tour interview? Perhaps. That doesn't mean she should be smeared, or that the election shouldn't be about what she'll take action on in congress.


Whatever the case, the election should be about her policies and record. Wall Street is clearly out to get her because she's aggressive on preventing corrupt practices from proliferating - much less staying on the policy books.

This is like the Ron Paul newsletters thing - it distracts from what matters most.

[KingRobbStark]

lol

"Welcome to the tipi of my ancestors."

[Agorism]

It matters because she is Fraud like professor Churchhill.

[puppetmaster]

just proves that any special laws or privileges for so called diversity to promote any color of human draw in people who will take advantage of it.

[Pericles]

A fraud, fake, and hypocrite using favoritism (which should not exist in a merit based society) to gain personal advantage who wants to be a US Senator. Who should care about that?

[madengr]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/cracker-e1336172495578.png

[Sola_Fide]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/cracker-e1336172495578.png

lol

[susano]

A fraud, fake, and hypocrite using favoritism (which should not exist in a merit based society) to gain personal advantage who wants to be a US Senator. Who should care about that?


Since you're smearing her, do you have anything to substantiate your claim - you know, like PROOF? This appears that some PC zombie at some magazine made an issue of a NA ancestor, not Warren.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

What I don't get is why this even matters so much to you. I mean, why Elizabeth Warren, of all people you could target? What is it about her that makes you see her as worse than others and more deserving of an attack that has nothing to do with her policies?

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/192317-ron-paul-elizabeth-warren-is-a-socialist

[susano]

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/192317-ron-paul-elizabeth-warren-is-a-socialist

Attacking on her being a socialist is legit. If she didn't use some claim to being native American to advance herself or get special status, she shouldn't be attacked on that.

[Agorism]

Attacking on her being a socialist is legit. If she didn't use some claim to being native American to advance herself or get special status, she shouldn't be attacked on that.

We know she's not an Indian though since multiple sources can't verify her claims. Even her amateur genealogist has since retracted his initial claim that she was 1/32nd Native American.

[Revolution9]

We know she's not an Indian though since multiple sources can't verify her claims. Even her amateur genealogist has since retracted his initial claim that she was 1/32nd Native American.

Her nose is very Cherokee. Hairdo..not so much..

Rev9

[Paul Fan]

A fraud, fake, and hypocrite using favoritism (which should not exist in a merit based society) to gain personal advantage who wants to be a US Senator. Who should care about that?

Apparently no one does, since no one cares that Ted Cruz sought and got advancement on the basis of 'minority' status.

[Yieu]

It might help to do a search before making a new thread to see if someone else has already started a thread with that topic.

I found there are already a few threads on this topic:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?377106-New-England-Historic-Genealogical-Society-rules-that-no-proof-Warren-is-1-32nd-Native-Amer
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?376672-Breitbart.com-Document-supporting-Elizabeth-Warren%E2%80%99s-ancestry-claim-doesn%E2%80%99t-exist
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?376185-Report-Original-document-proving-Elizabeth-Warren%E2%80%99s-1-32-Cherokee-ancestry-doesn%E2%80%99t-exist
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?375100-Native-American-Elizabeth-Warren-video-of-the-day
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374735-Elizabeth-Warren-lied-claiming-she-was-Native-American-to-get-Harvard-tenure
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374956-Smoke-signals-around-harvard-job-hiring-of-Native-American-Elizabeth-Warren
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374938-WSJ-Video-How-Elizabeth-Warren-benefited-from-claiming-to-be-1-32nd-Native-American
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374763-Warren-My-Grandfather-Had-High-Cheekbones-Like-All-the-Indians-Do

[Agorism]

It might help to do a search before making a new thread to see if someone else has already started a thread with that topic.

I found there are already a few threads on this topic:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?377106-New-England-Historic-Genealogical-Society-rules-that-no-proof-Warren-is-1-32nd-Native-Amer
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?376672-Breitbart.com-Document-supporting-Elizabeth-Warren%E2%80%99s-ancestry-claim-doesn%E2%80%99t-exist
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?376185-Report-Original-document-proving-Elizabeth-Warren%E2%80%99s-1-32-Cherokee-ancestry-doesn%E2%80%99t-exist
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?375100-Native-American-Elizabeth-Warren-video-of-the-day
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374735-Elizabeth-Warren-lied-claiming-she-was-Native-American-to-get-Harvard-tenure
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374956-Smoke-signals-around-harvard-job-hiring-of-Native-American-Elizabeth-Warren
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374938-WSJ-Video-How-Elizabeth-Warren-benefited-from-claiming-to-be-1-32nd-Native-American
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374763-Warren-My-Grandfather-Had-High-Cheekbones-Like-All-the-Indians-Do



Similar topic but different articles I was linking to.

[Jingles]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/cracker-e1336172495578.png

That picture is the best thing I've seen all week...

[tod evans]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/cracker-e1336172495578.png

+rep

[Yieu]

Similar topic but different articles I was linking to.

To be honest though, it's the same incident and they could all be one thread. :p

[Jingles]

It's not even possible to have blonde hair and blue eyes like Warren does if she has an Native American in her (Well unless the Mormons were correct). If you have Native American in you it is not possible to have blue eyes. This is science and genetics. These traits do not pass down to offspring if both parents are not blue eyed. Native Americans don't have blue eyes.

[Jingles]

Also how did like this not get stated when she originally claimed to be Native American? Did everyone sleep through their biology lectures or something?

[Agorism]

These traits do not pass down to offspring if both parents are not blue eyed

Both parents could have brown eyes and be heterozygous,and then have a blue eyed kid most likely

[Jingles]

http://genetics.thetech.org/sites/default/files/EyeColorChart2.gif

[Agorism]

That's not a table off the offspring.

That's the parent..

[specsaregood]

It's not even possible to have blonde hair and blue eyes like Warren does if she has an Native American in her (Well unless the Mormons were correct). If you have Native American in you it is not possible to have blue eyes. This is science and genetics. These traits do not pass down to offspring if both parents are not blue eyed. Native Americans don't have blue eyes.

I know its been awhile since I took those classes but I'm pretty sure you need to reread your bio 101 book. We are talking multiple generations ago, where blue eyes could have been introduced into the gene pool manytimes since. If half-blacks can have blue eyes i'm pretty sure 1/32 indians can too.

edit: here, this should help ya: http://genetics.thetech.org/online-exhibits/what-color-eyes-will-your-children-have

[Pericles]

1st rule of politics - facts are of no relevance.

[Jingles]

I know its been awhile since I took those classes but I'm pretty sure you need to reread your bio 101 book. We are talking multiple generations ago, where blue eyes could have been introduced into the gene pool manytimes since. If half-blacks can have blue eyes i'm pretty sure 1/32 indians can too.

edit: here, this should help ya: http://genetics.thetech.org/online-exhibits/what-color-eyes-will-your-children-have

As Agorism mentioned I forgot heterozygous things. While it is possible it is highly, highly improbable she contains Native American descent. I'm not 100% sure on what genes Native Americans carry, but I assume the majority are BB and a minority are Bb.

[Jingles]

Where the hell are our libertarian biologists to completely clear this up? Someone has to be one. Do I have to major in biology just so I can refute/talk about things like this (I really don't want to. I want to be an ECON major)?

[Revolution9]

It's not even possible to have blonde hair and blue eyes like Warren does if she has an Native American in her (Well unless the Mormons were correct). If you have Native American in you it is not possible to have blue eyes. This is science and genetics. These traits do not pass down to offspring if both parents are not blue eyed. Native Americans don't have blue eyes.

BS. My mother had blue eyes and my father brown green. Mine are ghost blue.

I also knew an Ojibwa when I was young that was 100% Ojibwa and had blue eyes but the facial features of that tribe.

Rev9

[Kluge]

Where the hell are our libertarian biologists to completely clear this up? Someone has to be one. Do I have to major in biology just so I can refute/talk about things like this (I really don't want to. I want to be an ECON major)?

Do you really need it cleared up? She's 1/32nd Native American. I'm a chemist, so I've only had basic biology courses, but I assume you've had them too if you're in college--and genetics 101 should provide you all the info you need. And I'm not going to do the research for you because I don't give a shit.

[LimitedGovernment]

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/192317-ron-paul-elizabeth-warren-is-a-socialist

And everyone else who is in favor of public schools is a socialist. Still not a reason to attack her for something that is not her fault (Harvard's promotion of her).