Moving Forward - Jack Hunter's Latest Piece

[tbone717]

Let me be blunt: Mitt Romney represents the same, old Republican Party I’ve been fighting against my entire adult life. The question today is, to what degree is the GOP the same, old Republican Party? To what degree will it remain the same, old Republican Party?

When I signed on with the 2012 Ron Paul campaign I viewed it as Part 2 of the Part 1 of our movement that Paul had inspired in 2008. Before 2008, the Republican Party was a depressing wilderness, offering absolutely nothing for constitutional conservatives. I had supported Pat Buchanan’s presidential runs in 1996 and 2000 in my early 20’s because he was the only candidate willing to take on the neoconservatives who were steadily influencing American foreign policy. With the election of George W. Bush, the neoconservatives would dominate on foreign policy. The GOP became so obsessed with championing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that the party became little more than apologists for big government so long as it was Republican. Medicare Plan D, No Child Left Behind, doubling our national debt, destroying the 4th amendment with The Patriot Act—nobody cared. That period of the GOP was all about support for war at any cost, literally. At the 2008 RNC convention, neocon liberal Joe Lieberman was even given a prime time speaking spot while strict constitutionalist Ron Paul wasn’t even allowed in the building.

The rest is here: http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/05/15/moving-forward-mitt-romney-tampa-and-the-revolution/

My apologies if this was already posted.

[nasonex]

The only thing that matters is Ron Paul winning the nomination. If Ron Paul does not become President, nothing we do will matter. We have to keep pushing to make sure Ron Paul WINS in Tampa!

[tbone717]

The only thing that matters is Ron Paul winning the nomination. If Ron Paul does not become President, nothing we do will matter. We have to keep pushing to make sure Ron Paul WINS in Tampa!

Did you even bother to read the article? Comment on the article, not posting the same thing over and over in different threads.

[nasonex]

I read the article and I totally disagree.

The fact is government is growing faster than ever in this nation, and freedom is shrinking more than ever.

A couple liberty minded congressmen or senators (not half as principled as Ron Paul) are not going to make a difference.

A change of the GOP platform is not going to make a difference, it will be ignored.

A speech at the convention will change nothing.

The only thing that will make changes in this nation is Ron Paul as President.

If Ron Paul does not win we will be stuck with an overall big government congress, a big government senate, and a big government President.

[nasonex]

We need big changes in a short period of time to combat the general trend towards more government, more spending, more bailouts, etc.

The only way to make this happen is to get Ron Paul nominated.

He can bring all our troops back to the USA immediately.

He can pardon all non-violent individuals guilty of victimless crimes.

He can veto every single bill that violates the constitution or increases government.

He can undo illegal and unconstitutional executive orders.

He can give speeches to educate the masses.

He can participate in REAL diplomacy with world leaders and spread the idea of limited government.

The fact is that when there is a SURGE for more government tiny little accomplishments mean squat. We need a BIG WIN.

[tbone717]

Well nasonex, you are free to have your own opinions, but a lot of us are moving in one direction. You are free to do whatever you choose. I know it is disappointing but Ron Paul will not be the nominee, nor will he be President. But as Jack Hunter says in his piece, Paul could very well be the Goldwater to this generation's Reagan.

[nasonex]

Ron Paul can be the nominee and he can win. We won 40 delegates in Oklahoma when no one thought it would happen! We may have to fight for them in court, but we won them fair and square! We can WIN Tampa too!

Sadly, I think if Ron Paul does not win everyone efforts were totally wasted. We will end up with Romney or Obama for another four years and government will continue to expand and grow. Without Ron Paul as President I see government becoming even more tyranical in four years. The internet will be so regulated, free speech will be so suppressed, and campaigns will be so regulated a liberty candidate will NOT have a chance.

[tbone717]

Ron Paul can be the nominee and he can win. We won 40 delegates in Oklahoma when no one thought it would happen! We may have to fight for them in court, but we won them fair and square! We can WIN Tampa too!

I believe you are confusing delegate slots with delegates. Our supporters won the right to go to Tampa to represent their state, but the binding of those delegates was determined by the results of the OK primary. The same goes for MA where we won a majority of the delegate slots, though the delegates are bound to Romney. This is precisely what the campaign was addressing in the announcement this morning, and what Hunter is referencing in the article. We should continue to get appointed to those slots so that we can have a strong presence at the convention.

[Revolution9]

Well nasonex, you are free to have your own opinions, but a lot of us are moving in one direction. You are free to do whatever you choose. I know it is disappointing but Ron Paul will not be the nominee, nor will he be President. But as Jack Hunter says in his piece, Paul could very well be the Goldwater to this generation's Reagan.

Blah blah blah. Yer gambit is that of a right wing pig trougher with manners. Hannibal Lechter had impeccable manners..right before he ate your liver.. You move in the same slothful direction you have always moved in as you have no choice in the ordering of your life.. Your ways are subtle but discernible. You are a party man. Many of us will zip right past you and your sacred elephant of old. We are gonna take control of that trust which you and yours effed up because you can't keep your snouts out of the money pit. RP is your biggest enemy because he shows via life and deed how easy it is to be uncorruptible. Your little BS routine for your party ain't gonna stop the wave.

Rev9

[Revolution9]

I believe you are confusing delegate slots with delegates. Our supporters won the right to go to Tampa to represent their state, but the binding of those delegates was determined by the results of the OK primary. The same goes for MA where we won a majority of the delegate slots, though the delegates are bound to Romney. This is precisely what the campaign was addressing in the announcement this morning, and what Hunter is referencing in the article. We should continue to get appointed to those slots so that we can have a strong presence at the convention.

In the meantime you will just hang here and keep your seeds of FUD in circulation.

Rev9

[tbone717]

Blah blah blah. Yer gambit is that of a right wing pig trougher with manners. Hannibal Lechter had impeccable manners..right before he ate your liver.. You move in the same slothful direction you have always moved in as you have no choice in the ordering of your life.. Your ways are subtle but discernible. You are a party man. Many of us will zip right past you and your sacred elephant of old. We are gonna take control of that trust which you and yours effed up because you can't keep your snouts out of the money pit. RP is your biggest enemy because he shows via life and deed how easy it is to be uncorruptible. Your little BS routine for your party ain't gonna stop the wave.

Rev9

The RLC is an organization that Paul was a former chairman of. He has been a member (since its founding IIRC) They endorsed him this year as well as endorsed Amash, Massie, Bradley, etc. The RLC shares the same goals that Paul has stated and that Hunter states in the article. We seek to reform the GOP and restore it to its founding principles. I have been working at this for many years, and have been doing pretty darn well here in my local area.

So educate yourself on the organization before you start spouting your nonsense.

[jcannon98188]

"He could be the goldwater to our generations reagan"
Ok first off, what effective change did Goldwater or Reagen do to the party?

Exactly.

Reagen is not some sort of hero. He did absolutely NOTHING he campaigned on. He was a big government conservative, we have to end the love mess with him. He talked a good talk, but that's it.

Nasonex is right. We need to organize, and fast.

[angelatc]

Well nasonex, you are free to have your own opinions, but a lot of us are moving in one direction. You are free to do whatever you choose. I know it is disappointing but Ron Paul will not be the nominee, nor will he be President. But as Jack Hunter says in his piece, Paul could very well be the Goldwater to this generation's Reagan.

I have always hoped that to be true. But this makes me sad:


However, on some key issues, majorities of First Globals are not doctrinaire liberals. The poll found less than majorities agree with liberals on some of their most cherished beliefs. For example: 44% agree health insurance is a right government should provide for those who can’t afford it, 43% agree with the same statement about food and shelter, 37% agree government should spend more to reduce poverty, 20% agree government spending is an effective way to economic growth…
Lest Republicans get too giddy at those findings, they should also know less than majorities agree with these conservative and neo-con ideals: 22% agree it’s sometimes necessary to attack potentially hostile countries rather than waiting until we are attacked, 23% are willing to give up some personal freedoms for the sake of national security…

[anewvoice]

From now on, Jack Hunter does all of Ron Paul's e-mails.

[anewvoice]

I have always hoped that to be true. But this makes me sad:

Why sad? The key planks of both the RNC and DNC are failing, and people are awakening on both sides of the aisle. We're literally seeing the transformation of the American electorate (even if too slow for our tastes).

Or was it the 43% believe government should provide shelter, food and health care...That seems panifully high...

[tbone717]

"He could be the goldwater to our generations reagan"
Ok first off, what effective change did Goldwater or Reagen do to the party?

Exactly.

Reagen is not some sort of hero. He did absolutely NOTHING he campaigned on. He was a big government conservative, we have to end the love mess with him. He talked a good talk, but that 's it.

Nasonex is right. We need to organize, and fast.

Goldwater brought libertarian conservatism to the mainstream, Paul is doing the same. You of course are free to do what you wish, but you would be out of step with what Paul's agenda is.

[Mini-Me]

nasonex, I agree with you that we need to unite behind the hope of total victory, but failing that, all hope is NOT lost. If you believe that way, you will only set yourself up for despair if we don't manage to beat the odds. People said the same thing in 2008 (heck, a lot of people in 2004 didn't even think there would be a Presidential election in 2008!), and look where we are today! There is always hope, and we must seize every bit of it we can at every moment. Jack Hunter is simply taking the long view, and after August, the rest of us will know whether we should too.

[Mini-Me]

I have always hoped that to be true. But this makes me sad:

Wow...that makes me happy actually, because it puts the majority in our corner on EVERY issue you quoted. I mean, sure, it's sad that the world has statists at all, but they appear to be losing strength quickly.

[francisco]

From now on, Jack Hunter does all of Ron Paul's e-mails.

Got my vote, too.

[angelatc]

Why sad? The key planks of both the RNC and DNC are failing, and people are awakening on both sides of the aisle. We're literally seeing the transformation of the American electorate (even if too slow for our tastes).

Or was it the 43% believe government should provide shelter, food and health care...That seems panifully high...

Yes, and the fact that more than 25% of us think giving up freedom can make us safer. But all in all, it's a great article. Hope for America.

[tbone717]

Yes, and the fact that more than 25% of us think giving up freedom can make us safer. But all in all, it's a great article. Hope for America.

There will always be a faction that believes in big government. I don't expect to see Socialism extinct in my lifetime, but we are making huge strides.

[angelatc]

There will always be a faction that believes in big government. I don't expect to see Socialism extinct in my lifetime, but we are making huge strides.

Yes, I can console myself with the knowledge that those numbers can shift. 50 years ago they weren't that high. If the PTB managed to shift them that far left, then somebody somewhere can shift them back the other way. But prosperity has to come simultaneously.

THe other part is the "coalition building" part. We suck at that.

[angelatc]

From now on, Jack Hunter does all of Ron Paul's e-mails.

Speaks to the press, too.

[tbone717]

THe other part is the "coalition building" part. We suck at that.

I think that will come with the maturing of the movement.

[Feeding the Abscess]

Well nasonex, you are free to have your own opinions, but a lot of us are moving in one direction. You are free to do whatever you choose. I know it is disappointing but Ron Paul will not be the nominee, nor will he be President. But as Jack Hunter says in his piece, Paul could very well be the Goldwater to this generation's Reagan.

Awesome, we then can have our movement swallowed into the GOP, bring us a president that triples our national debt, and sully the name of libertarianism for another generation by having people generally associate it with the Republican party.

For liberty!

[The Northbreather]

seconded
Speaks to the press, too.

[Revolution9]

The RLC is an organization that Paul was a former chairman of. He has been a member (since its founding IIRC) They endorsed him this year as well as endorsed Amash, Massie, Bradley, etc. The RLC shares the same goals that Paul has stated and that Hunter states in the article. We seek to reform the GOP and restore it to its founding principles. I have been working at this for many years, and have been doing pretty darn well here in my local area.

So educate yourself on the organization before you start spouting your nonsense.

I don't give a good goddamn about whatever organization you have ties to. I see what you have been writing here in your effort to alert us to YOUR reality. You get no brownie points for your involvement with RLC. I am sure it is now just a bunch of shills. Amash is going down the tubes..Didn't take long for him to be boguht and sold to zionistas. Massie. Well another pantywaist who is gonna get smoked in the pipeline. He has no life experience written all over his face. Bradley..had lunch with him in Atlanta. Not impressed. A politico with a nose for personal dvantage. I see what issued from you and i won't go near them if that is the drivel they expound. So..why don't you just move on if RP ain't ginna be Prez? Or do you get your jollies out of repeating it over and over. If not then you have a shady gambit up your sleeve. Keep posting your FUD and "may as well give it up" crap and I will keep reacting to it like i have every other FUD agent balatron waltzing through here I get a grip on. In fact I rather like you facing off against me than spreading your crap further around here. So..defend your actions. Why are you trying to take folks ankles out from under them? Your actions here via your postings and your stated principles via association are incongruous to say the least. Apparently I am not the only one to think so.

Rev9

[ohgodno]

Awesome, we then can have our movement swallowed into the GOP, bring us a president that triples our national debt, and sully the name of libertarianism for another generation by having people generally associate it with the Republican party.

For liberty!

Exactly - we don't need another Tea Party incident - the liberty movement doesn't need to be sullied anymore than it already is. It's been tough enough trying to work within the republican party; a party so tarnished that people that believe in the liberty still cannot bring themselves to vote republican - even if it is for Dr. Paul. This is the same party that breaks its own bylaws, has members that resort to violence when asked to follow those laws, shut lights, close walls, have people arrested… it goes on and on.

The republican party needs a total upheaval. It's us vs. them, always has been always will be. They will NEVER willingly join us.

[tbone717]

I don't give a good goddamn about whatever organization you have ties to. I see what you have been writing here in your effort to alert us to YOUR reality. You get no brownie points for your involvement with RLC. I am sure it is now just a bunch of shills. Amash is going down the tubes..Didn't take long for him to be boguht and sold to zionistas. Massie. Well another pantywaist who is gonna get smoked in the pipeline. He has no life experience written all over his face. Bradley..had lunch with him in Atlanta. Not impressed. A politico with a nose for personal dvantage. I see what issued from you and i won't go near them if that is the drivel they expound. So..why don't you just move on if RP ain't ginna be Prez? Or do you get your jollies out of repeating it over and over. If not then you have a shady gambit up your sleeve. Keep posting your FUD and "may as well give it up" crap and I will keep reacting to it like i have every other FUD agent balatron waltzing through here I get a grip on. In fact I rather like you facing off against me than spreading your crap further around here. So..defend your actions. Why are you trying to take folks ankles out from under them? Your actions here via your postings and your stated principles via association are incongruous to say the least. Apparently I am not the only one to think so.

Rev9

There is a good reason, I have been commenting on the reality of the situation we faced for a while now, and it is evidenced in the reactions of many in here over the last two days, when the campaign did admit that winning the nomination was now impossible. When people are unaware of the real situtation regarding delegate allocation, they are lured into a false sense of security which prevents them from acting rationally and doing what needs to be done to have a real effect on the current situation that we face. I operate my life on facts, not on wishful thinking and hope. The fact was for a while now that the chance of a brokered convention was incredibly slim and hinged solely on the ability of Paul to win primary contests. The campaign today confirmed that, as they are essentially at the end of their road as far as the nomination is concerned. But this does not mean that the long term goal of reforming the GOP is cast aside. In fact, that has been something that Paul has talked about for many years, long before he came on the national stage.

So honestly, if you don't like what I have to say there is an ignore feature. Feel free to utilize it.

[tbone717]

Awesome, we then can have our movement swallowed into the GOP, bring us a president that triples our national debt, and sully the name of libertarianism for another generation by having people generally associate it with the Republican party.

For liberty!

Not trying to be a Reagan apologist, but he did face an uphill battle with the House and Senate. That is why it is important that we elect libertarian conservatives to Congress, while simultaneously working on getting the White House. We bring the issues to the American people, we get good folks elected to Congress, and then when we are able to win the White House, we will have a President with a Congress that is willing to advance his agenda, instead of one that is working against him (as was the case with Reagan).

The alternative is to sit on the sidelines and do little if anything but complain. Personally, I choose to work within the party and continue to grow our presence.

[Revolution9]

There is a good reason, I have been commenting on the reality of the situation we faced for a while now, and it is evidenced in the reactions of many in here over the last two days, when the campaign did admit that winning the nomination was now impossible. When people are unaware of the real situtation regarding delegate allocation, they are lured into a false sense of security which prevents them from acting rationally and doing what needs to be done to have a real effect on the current situation that we face. I operate my life on facts, not on wishful thinking and hope. The fact was for a while now that the chance of a brokered convention was incredibly slim and hinged solely on the ability of Paul to win primary contests. The campaign today confirmed that, as they are essentially at the end of their road as far as the nomination is concerned. But this does not mean that the long term goal of reforming the GOP is cast aside. In fact, that has been something that Paul has talked about for many years, long before he came on the national stage.

So honestly, if you don't like what I have to say there is an ignore feature. Feel free to utilize it.

Just to clarify on the Bradley thing. I meant Bradley from DC. Not our on Glen Bradley across the state line from me. he is doing a good job. He does suck up to the Israeli thing a little too much for my taste., That is always the beginning of a bought and sold relationship with the established pig troughers. As for your reality checks.. Pfft. They ain't needed. You folks who like to give reality checks re just playing at false propheteering anyways. Yer like someone standing next to a track and fielder telling them not to run because the other guy always wins. People are alot smarter than you seem to give them credit for and there ain't nuthin' crazy about keeping a stiff upper lip and weathering negativity with a strong positive attitude. There is an event coming that will turn everything upside down. Your current paradigm will mean nothing as it will have no tether to tie to.

And put you on ignore?? That is never the purpose of telling someone what i have to say about their antics. I'll ignore you when you stop fucking with people in your subtle way hiding behind your mannerly facade.

Rev9

[IDefendThePlatform]

So..why don't you just move on if RP ain't ginna be Prez? Or do you get your jollies out of repeating it over and over. If not then you have a shady gambit up your sleeve. Keep posting your FUD and "may as well give it up" crap and I will keep reacting to it like i have every other FUD agent balatron waltzing through here I get a grip on. In fact I rather like you facing off against me than spreading your crap further around here. So..defend your actions. Why are you trying to take folks ankles out from under them? Your actions here via your postings and your stated principles via association are incongruous to say the least. Apparently I am not the only one to think so.

Rev9

I haven't considered tbone717 trustworthy for months. Nikki Haley and Jim Demint do not represent libertarianism (as he's tried to claim), and compromise is a guaranteed path to failure.

He sure uses "we" and "us" a lot though.

[tbone717]

I haven't considered tbone717 trustworthy for months. Nikki Haley and Jim Demint do not represent libertarianism (as he's tried to claim), and compromise is a guaranteed path to failure.

He sure uses "we" and "us" a lot though.

DeMint is mentioned by Jack Hunter in the very piece this OP is about. Hunter says, "If Mitt Romney wins the election, there will be a different dynamic in the GOP than what we suffered through under Bush. There was no conservative pushback against Bush’s big government offenses because, as I noted earlier, there was really no conservatism to be found in the Republican Party. Now we have Senator Rand Paul, and regular allies like Senators Mike Lee and Jim DeMint".

So if you do not consider DeMint an ally, I suppose your disagreement is with Hunter as well.

[opinionatedfool]

Whether Ron Paul can or cannot win, I thought jack hunter did a great job with the article.

Let's take tampa with as many delegates as possible.

[IDefendThePlatform]

DeMint is mentioned by Jack Hunter in the very piece this OP is about. Hunter says, "If Mitt Romney wins the election, there will be a different dynamic in the GOP than what we suffered through under Bush. There was no conservative pushback against Bush’s big government offenses because, as I noted earlier, there was really no conservatism to be found in the Republican Party. Now we have Senator Rand Paul, and regular allies like Senators Mike Lee and Jim DeMint".

So if you do not consider DeMint an ally, I suppose your disagreement is with Hunter as well.

And Nikki Haley? Who endorsed Romney?...

I'll ally myself with Demint only when he allies himself with human freedom. He had the chance to endorse Ron and he didn't have the guts to do it.

Bottom line, I don't like your constant attempts to subtly hijack the movement into compromise, and I don't trust your motives.

[tbone717]

And Nikki Haley? Who endorsed Romney?...

I'll ally myself with Demint only when he allies himself with human freedom. He had the chance to endorse Ron and he didn't have the guts to do it.

Bottom line, I don't like your constant attempts to subtly hijack the movement into compromise, and I don't trust your motives.

Nikki Haley has done some good things for the state of SC. She seems to be following many of the positions of her predecessor. While she did endorse Romney, so did Mike Lee, who Hunter has stated is an ally.

My motive since my first day here, have been the same as my motive for nearly 25 years - to work to reform the GOP and restore it to its founding principles by supporting libertarian conservatives for office, and by advancing the issues of individual rights, limited government and free enterprise among the general electorate. Additionally, I am always willing to assist those who wish to learn how to become a more effective activist in their own community.

[IDefendThePlatform]

Nikki Haley has done some good things for the state of SC. She seems to be following many of the positions of her predecessor. While she did endorse Romney, so did Mike Lee, who Hunter has stated is an ally.

My motive since my first day here, have been the same as my motive for nearly 25 years - to work to reform the GOP and restore it to its founding principles by supporting libertarian conservatives for office, and by advancing the issues of individual rights, limited government and free enterprise among the general electorate. Additionally, I am always willing to assist those who wish to learn how to become a more effective activist in their own community.

I've said what I needed to say about you and your subtle methods, and compromising is the path to failure.

[ClydeCoulter]

Nikki Haley has done some good things for the state of SC. She seems to be following many of the positions of her predecessor. While she did endorse Romney, so did Mike Lee, who Hunter has stated is an ally.

My motive since my first day here, have been the same as my motive for nearly 25 years - to work to reform the GOP and restore it to its founding principles by supporting libertarian conservatives for office, and by advancing the issues of individual rights, limited government and free enterprise among the general electorate. Additionally, I am always willing to assist those who wish to learn how to become a more effective activist in their own community.

There is a difference in an ally and a standard. Allies can be for particualr goals. Ron has allied with many on certain bills, but they are not standards.

[jay_dub]

And Nikki Haley? Who endorsed Romney?...



No surprise there.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Money may not be buying Mitt Romney much Republican love, but it’s going a long way toward helping him buy the next best thing: endorsements in the GOP primaries.

Romney’s Free and Strong America PAC and its affiliates states have lavished close to $1.3 million in campaign donations to federal, state and local GOP politicians, almost all since 2010. His recipients include officials in the major upcoming primary states of New Hampshire and South Carolina, and in three southern Super Tuesday states where he was trounced four years ago.

In New Hampshire, a U.S. senator, a congressman, 10 state senators and three executive councilors shared $26,000 in donations from Romney’s Free and Strong America PAC in 2010 and 2011 combined. All 15 have showered Romney with endorsements leading up to Tuesday’s primary

South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley came out for Romney last month – a year after his Free and Strong America PACs funneled $36,000 to the Tea Party darling’s 2010 election bid. And 19 state and Washington, D.C., lawmakers in three Super Tuesday states – Georgia, Tennessee and Virginia — are backing Romney after his PAC poured a total of $125,500 into their coffers for elections held in 2009 and 2010.

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/07/35_romney_endorsers_received_contributions_first/

[XTreat]

And Nikki Haley? Who endorsed Romney?...

I'll ally myself with Demint only when he allies himself with human freedom. He had the chance to endorse Ron and he didn't have the guts to do it.

Bottom line, I don't like your constant attempts to subtly hijack the movement into compromise, and I don't trust your motives.

I worked closely with the campaign in SC and know a 100% fact DeMint was in contact with the campaign and was purposely trying to help Ron out, but he did not have the sack to give an official endorsement.

[XTreat]

I am not accustomed to this much propaganda in a Jack Hunter article.

[Feeding the Abscess]

DeMint is mentioned by Jack Hunter in the very piece this OP is about. Hunter says, "If Mitt Romney wins the election, there will be a different dynamic in the GOP than what we suffered through under Bush. There was no conservative pushback against Bush’s big government offenses because, as I noted earlier, there was really no conservatism to be found in the Republican Party. Now we have Senator Rand Paul, and regular allies like Senators Mike Lee and Jim DeMint".

So if you do not consider DeMint an ally, I suppose your disagreement is with Hunter as well.

http://lewrockwell.com/vance/vance285.html

lolololololol

Oh, and DeMint voted for the energy program that gave us Solyndra. And said we should take Romneycare nationally.

Dennis freaking Kucinich is for smaller government than DeMint, simply for opposing wars at home and abroad.

[angelatc]

Bottom line, I don't like your constant attempts to subtly hijack the movement into compromise, and I don't trust your motives.

Yes, we suck at building coalitions.

[Chieppa1]

I thought this movement was about hearts and minds? Since when do we need to be part of the Washington machine to change the hearts and minds of common Americans. There is a reason I stepped back from the official campaign 2 months ago. I didn't know that if we get enough people elected that will pander and MAYBE get some small government shit passed, without explaining to the people of the country (before the media can spin it as some horrible arcane move) how it helps them, THAT will bring liberty to each individual.

Influencing Washington by playing the Washington game is going to look just as slimy when liberty-minded people do then when big government activists do it.

We suck at building coalitions because the compromise is always, "yo, budget cuts. As long as we can drone bomb this village." or "Here, 'audit the fed', while we work on this NDAA bill and raid private property."

[angelatc]

I thought this movement was about hearts and minds? y."

I thought it was about winning elections.

[Carlybee]

I thought this movement was about hearts and minds? Since when do we need to be part of the Washington machine to change the hearts and minds of common Americans. There is a reason I stepped back from the official campaign 2 months ago. I didn't know that if we get enough people elected that will pander and MAYBE get some small government shit passed, without explaining to the people of the country (before the media can spin it as some horrible arcane move) how it helps them, THAT will bring liberty to each individual.

Influencing Washington by playing the Washington game is going to look just as slimy when liberty-minded people do then when big government activists do it.

We suck at building coalitions because the compromise is always, "yo, budget cuts. As long as we can drone bomb this village." or "Here, 'audit the fed', while we work on this NDAA bill and raid private property."

I agree. Not much of a revolution when it becomes politics as usual and when the agents of change are expected to become insiders to affect any change.

[Carlybee]

I thought it was about winning elections.

I thought it was about overthrowing fascists.

[Paul Or Nothing II]

Even if Ron Paul were to get the nomination somehow, he'll have to put up a VP that will attract the MAINSTREAM REPUBLICANS because as has been seen in the Primaries, they don't like Paul much & that's why even though Paul does so well amongst Indies & Dems he isn't able to beat Obama in the polls consistently because some of that Republican base is holding out on him & to beat Obama, Paul will have to draw every Republican vote he can & he'll someone who can get them for him, be it DeMint, Daniels or whoever

DeMint mayn't be a "pure" libertarian but he's very friendly to Ron Paul & liberty & he understands where Paul is coming from & I think a Paul/DeMint ticket would be great to get the delegates at RNC as well as Republican votes in the General Election



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTSzeMsDtW0&feature=relmfu



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bum3aPLWwp4

[angelatc]

I thought it was about overthrowing fascists.

Which is done by winning elections.

[Chieppa1]

Which is done by winning elections.

Which is done by getting votes. Which is done by winning hearts and minds, not pandering to voting blocks to get into office. Forcing "libertarianism" on the country through the corrupt political process won't overthrow fascists.

[Revolution9]

Which is done by winning elections.

Which are won by winning hearts and minds...loop the loop.

HTH
Rev9

[speciallyblend]

I believe you are confusing delegate slots with delegates. Our supporters won the right to go to Tampa to represent their state, but the binding of those delegates was determined by the results of the OK primary. The same goes for MA where we won a majority of the delegate slots, though the delegates are bound to Romney. This is precisely what the campaign was addressing in the announcement this morning, and what Hunter is referencing in the article. We should continue to get appointed to those slots so that we can have a strong presence at the convention.

and they can abstain.

[Badger Paul]

"I worked closely with the campaign in SC and know a 100% fact DeMint was in contact with the campaign and was purposely trying to help Ron out, but he did not have the sack to give an official endorsement. "

An endorsement which could have made a big difference. Well I'm sorry, the Lord hates a coward and DeMint couldn't bring himself to do what was right then. So Hunter thinks somehow he's going to be "pushback" against President Romney? He certainly wasn't pushback against Bush II.

Bottom line: Don't count on politicians to advance your ideals. They usually are the ones who follow. Rarely do they stick their necks out.

[XxNeXuSxX]

I am not accustomed to this much propaganda in a Jack Hunter article.

He's damage controlling the fact Benton is a neocon opportunist.

[Feeding the Abscess]

Even if Ron Paul were to get the nomination somehow, he'll have to put up a VP that will attract the MAINSTREAM REPUBLICANS because as has been seen in the Primaries, they don't like Paul much & that's why even though Paul does so well amongst Indies & Dems he isn't able to beat Obama in the polls consistently because some of that Republican base is holding out on him & to beat Obama, Paul will have to draw every Republican vote he can & he'll someone who can get them for him, be it DeMint, Daniels or whoever

DeMint mayn't be a "pure" libertarian but he's very friendly to Ron Paul & liberty & he understands where Paul is coming from & I think a Paul/DeMint ticket would be great to get the delegates at RNC as well as Republican votes in the General Election



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTSzeMsDtW0&feature=relmfu



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bum3aPLWwp4

I don't think anyone has ever read the links on DeMint I've provided in this thread and in many others.

It's also as if the Bush years never happened, and as if DeMint weren't one of the worst of the worst during that time.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Bump.