This email was brilliant from the Ron Paul campaign

[dude58677]

We are better off when we are not on the radar. The establishment will have their heads in the cloud and we can continue getting delegates at State Conventions.

If Ron Paul went up and said "I'm going to kick Romney's ass" then Romney's supporters will show up at the conventions in droves.

I was worried that the establishment will catch on to our delegate strategy but now this keep us off the radar, so lets look to the conventions this weekend.

[Apparition]

Yeah man....... sending out bleak emails to supporters is an awesome move.
Way to be stealth and stuff.

[eleganz]

Agreed everyone should Be "redoubling our efforts" says ron

[kathy88]

We are better off when we are not on the radar. The establishment will have their heads in the cloud and we can continue getting delegates at State Conventions.

If Ron Paul went up and said "I'm going to kick Romney's ass" then Romney's supporters will show up at the conventions in droves.

I was worried that the establishment will catch on to our delegate strategy but now this keep us off the radar, so lets look to the conventions this weekend.

I didn't think about it from this angle. Nice.

[Indy Vidual]

No really not brilliant, sorry.

Email = Stupid
This is brilliant:

The Moral Promise of Freedom

by Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX)

The moral promise of a free society involves the boundaries of private property. The promise is this: property boundaries cannot be legally invaded or trampled upon. When property is protected, people can keep the fruits of their labor and investment, and not have them plundered by others. People can own land, for example, and this land can be used as the owners see fit. Private property allows wide latitude for experimentation. Property holders can form communities with internal cultures. Just as business can conduct its own affairs, people can separate themselves out entirely from the rest of society if they so desire. They need only respect the rights of others to do the same.

It's the nature of private property and a free society that it allows room for diversity of work, modes of production, and ways of life. That's how Mr. Jefferson wanted it, and that's what the authors of the Constitution promised. In the sixties, for example, hippie communes sprang up all over the country. The participants were eccentric and the utopias didn't work, but the attempts were tolerated by society and state.

Today the promise of private property is routinely violated by both private criminals and government. The attack on property began subtly at first, but today it has become explicit, sometimes brutal, and sometimes even deadly.

The community of faith that once lived at Mount Carmel in Waco, Texas, believed the promise of free society. They chose to separate themselves from society, as so many others have done in our nation's history. This was not allowed in Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany, or Maoist China. That's one reason we regard these regimes as tyrannical.

Yet in its dealings with the Waco religious dissenters, the central government revealed that it has become intractably opposed to any individual or group that represents a challenge to its singular authority. To counter this challenge, the central government resorted to tactics that resulted in the death of 86 men, women, and children. As for the survivors, the government has put them on trial.

This sort of brutality is inevitable in a system of absolute and centralized power. A government that invades private business by demanding confiscatory taxes, imposes unbearable regulations, and rules over business culture through pervasive labor controls, builds an appetite for even more power. As the power builds, so does the extent of corruption at the top and the disinformation that covers up the truth about its tyranny.

So it was in Waco, where the tragic events combined all the elements of a government out of control. Most of what the public thinks it knows about David Koresh, the group's spiritual leader, is false. But as with war, military invasions, and other acts of state – as J.S. Griffey of the University of Houston argued in an outstanding article in the Southern Partisan – the first impression is the one that lasts.

For example, most people probably believe that the government attacked the Waco Christians because they were "stockpiling" weapons. Were they? Texans own 60 million firearms, about 3.5 per person. At Mt. Carmel there were two firearms per person, most of them locked away. The rest of their protection consisted of hay bales and plywood.

The stockpiling accusation was an act of projection, for the real stockpiler was the government. In the attack on Waco, agents used MI 13 personnel carriers, M2AO Bradley fighting vehicles, Sikorsky Blackhawks, Apache and UH-1 Bell helicopters, Abrams MI tanks, 7.62mm machine guns, FBI SWAT snipers, two varieties of hand grenades, and the FBI's psychological warfare experts. The government even fired canisters of CS gas, banned in warfare by international treaty, through windows and walls.

The BATF got their helicopters from the Texas National Guard. Under the law, the military cannot be involved in domestic law enforcement. But a special provision of the U.S. Code allows the government to use military equipment in drug cases. So the BATF told Texas governor Ann Richards that they suspected Mount Carmel had a drug lab. This canard was not in the BATF's search warrants and it hasn't been mentioned since.

Did Koresh want a confrontation with law enforcement agents? All evidence indicates he desired good relations with the law. In 1992, Koresh had actually invited the BATF into the compound so agents could see for themselves. But the government reneged. "Why do you all have to be so big all the time?" Koresh asked the FBI during the month-long standoff. "Why didn't you just talk to me?"

Did the community have a death wish? Twenty minutes before the fire began, the community hung out a sign reading: "We want our phones fixed." (The government had cut them off, along with the electricity.) That's not a message sent by people hungering for the Apocalypse. None of the survivors report discussion of suicide plans.

There is still no evidence that the religious people set the fire that destroyed their building. The place was a firetrap, entirely made of wood and sealed shut. Since the government had cut off their electricity, lanterns were their only light. The government shot out the windows, so sheets were their only protection from the weather. The tanks that battered the building probably set the fire, either accidentally or deliberately.

The initial raid was on February 28, 1993. Several people say the government shot through the roof from a helicopter, but we cannot know for sure. The physical evidence is reduced to ashes, and the government plowed the land over a week after the home went up in flames.

As the standoff continued, the women and children were upstairs because they were afraid of the government. The tanks destroyed the stairways that would have allowed them to escape the fire. The underground shelter was destroyed as well.

After the fire, the FBI made three claims it later retracted. First, the Bureau said that two agents saw community members lighting a fire. Second, the Bureau said one agent saw someone dressed in black "cupping his hands," as if to light a fire. Third, the Bureau said some members trying to flee the fire were shot by others. All assertions were false and were subsequently dropped.

The Justice Department contributed its share of lies. Spokesmen said an "independent arson investigator" concluded that members of the community started the fire. But the "independent investigator" turned out to be Paul Gray, an agent for the BATF from 1962 to 1990 whose wife stills works for the agency as secretary to the man who planned the raid. They apparently could not be sure a genuinely independent investigator would come to the preordained conclusion.

The stated purpose of the raid was to save children from abuse. Yet Janet Reno lied about that too. The information she used was already discredited, and she later admitted it. The real child abuse was committed by the government: to harass community members, the FBI turned on massive floodlights at night and played recordings of Buddhist chants, dental drills, and screaming, slaughtered rabbits. Reno herself ordered the house to be saturated with CS gas, knowing that the community's gas masks couldn't fit the children.

In ways that have become typical, the media and government worked together in this disaster. One day before the raid, the Waco Tribune-Herald started a series on "The Sinful Messiah." On the morning of February 28, 1993, before BATF arrived at Mt. Carmel, at least 11 reporters were on the scene already. After the religious community was torched, the entire media participated in the beatification of Janet Reno for her actions in Waco.

The consequences for the victims were public humiliation and death. There were zero consequences for the perpetrators, unless we consider the three agents who were suspended with pay and perks, which is no punishment at all.

The methods and strategies of the government's assault against Waco had been used for years by the military, but against foreign governments and their leaders, not against the domestic citizenry. The most familiar case of foreign intrigue was the government's attack on Manuel Noriega, in which it used similar tactics (blaring music, planting evidence, spreading disinformation), and therein lies the connection between foreign policy and domestic. Anything a government allows itself to do to foreign countries will eventually be done at home. That's one reason George Washington warned us against foreign entanglements.

We may never know the full truth about Waco or the extent of government perfidy, but we can draw lessons from the experience. This particular event was a fiasco, but it also tells something about what our government has become: "the organizer-in-chief of society," as Bertrand de Jouvenel said, which is "making its monopoly of this role ever more complete." It is a parasite and a monster that acts to protect itself. Mises was right: government's nature is coercive. It is "beating, killing, hanging." Coercion is necessary in society to protect the rights of property holders against those who do not respect property. But when government itself become the source of arbitrary violence, we have tyranny. That's why unchecked power should never be invested in a centralized government, even one with a democratic mandate. This power will invariably be exercised at the expense of peaceful social relations.

In its dealings with the community of believers at Mount Carmel, the central government abandoned the moral promise of a free society, and, as all tyrannies eventually do, ignored its own standards of law and ethics. But it paid the price of losing some measure of public confidence, which is already at historic lows. A government that governs by fear alone eventually finds itself unable to govern at all.

Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.
The Free Market
March 1994

[wgadget]

Ron won TWELVE campaigns as Congressman for the TX 14th District.

Don't forget that.

[CaptUSA]

Convention preparation mode.

[KMX]

We were never on the radar.... LOL We just won 10 states and not a peep. He sends a email and RON PAUL HAS DROPPED OUT!!! BLA HBLA HBLAH. Whipe my @$$ with it.

Ron Paul has never really spent to much money in the primary states anyways. It was Delegates from the start and it still is.

[Elwar]

I was thinking the same thing.

Why campaign in primaries where Romney can just double or triple the spending plus the help of the media?

There are a lot of state conventions this weekend.

Giving Romney folks the false impression that Ron Paul is out will give us a huge advantage.

5 more to win!

[wizardwatson]

Yeah man....... sending out bleak emails to supporters is an awesome move.
Way to be stealth and stuff.

+1. I said on another thread where someone posted same theory that it was a stretch.

Grasping at straws comes to mind.

Rand already said his dad isn't going to win the nomination, I think this email is the beginning of the "break it to them gently" stage.

[BringBackLiberty]

Exactly. This is just a shift in strategy to get more delegates. Nothing more, nothing less in my opinion. The straw polls that would require substantial funding for advertising weren't doing us any favors anywhere. Now they can shift their focus on conventions while the majority of Americans think Paul is done. Although the email sounded a little disheartening I think we all should take it exactly the opposite. Keep on fighting!

[wolfemcbane]

The logical part of me agrees with you, but the emotional part just feels sad. Talk about coming out of nowhere. This experience changes so drastically every day that idk how to feel or what to anticipate. Just disappointing , but I believe Paul knows what he is doing and is acting with more wisdom than most of us have.

I just hope the media fearmongering "if paul doesn't drop out his son is doomed, politically speaking" didn't get to him ....

[Apparition]

Exactly. This is just a shift in strategy to get more delegates. Nothing more, nothing less in my opinion. The straw polls that would require substantial funding for advertising weren't doing us any favors anywhere. Now they can shift their focus on conventions while the majority of Americans think Paul is done. Although the email sounded a little disheartening I think we all should take it exactly the opposite. Keep on fighting!

The thing is... you didn't need an email to say any of that.
Not right before a supposedly needed money bomb...

[twomp]

How do you "work on conventions"? Do you get a list of the delegates and call them over and over and over again? Most of these state conventions, the delegates have already been chosen. It's not like you or I could just walk into a state convention and have a vote. How do you "focus" on conventions? Mitt Romney didn't have 1144 "bound" delegates yet and Dr. Paul has said he won't work on stopping him from accumulating more "bound" delegates.

So besides going to a state convention and giving a speech, how else will Dr. Paul now garner delegates? Phone from home? Please be realistic here.

[Apparition]

How do you "work on conventions"?

Presumably to have lawyers present for state proceedings....
And pizzas for the parking lot aftermath.

[kathy88]

Truthfully, I think Ron's been overwhelmed at us going into non-caucus states and snagging delegates we "weren't entitled to," and doesn't want to rock the boat for Rand. He expected it in Iowa, Maine, etc... but we're kicking ass and taking names all over this place, and it's gotten beyond his control, and certainly beyond the control of the campaign. If Ron officially dropped out today, how many of us would not change a thing we are doing? He's got to remove himself at some level before it really gets good. Just my opinion. I could be wrong.

[MelissaCato]

+1. I said on another thread where someone posted same theory that it was a stretch.

Grasping at straws comes to mind.

Rand already said his dad isn't going to win the nomination, I think this email is the beginning of the "break it to them gently" stage.

NOOOO don't say that. Darn it. Rand was prolly just playing along with the MSM. Ron Paul 2012 please !!

[hard@work]

They better send another email. Discouraging supporters is foolish. And that has clearly been done. As much as I'd love to pretend there is some grand strategy, 2008 taught me otherwise. Why would they do this immediately after what was buzzing around as a tipping point?

He's catching on.

[wizardwatson]

Threads like this make me think of this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA

A lot of Ron Paul supporters seem to have Lloyd Christmas syndrome when it comes to Ron actually winning the nomination.

[Indy Vidual]

... Please be realistic here.

Realistically the email could have been worded much better.
Realistically, the 'real world' now has strong reason to believe Ron is out. :mad:

[BringBackLiberty]

The thing is... you didn't need an email to say any of that.
Not right before a supposedly needed money bomb...

Well we all have a right to know where our money is going don't we? I'd rather them tell all of us before we donate that they are going to be spending the money differently. Otherwise people who are overreacting now might really be upset.

[wizardwatson]

NOOOO don't say that. Darn it. Rand was prolly just playing along with the MSM. Ron Paul 2012 please !!

Are you being sarcastic lol see Lloyd Christmas post.

I'm not trying to piss on anyones potpourri I just agree with Rand that Ron won't win it. Not trying to disparage Ron's efforts and what he's accomplishing as I believe all that's important. I just don't share in this enthusiasm that he's going to win.

[dude58677]

Are you being sarcastic lol see Lloyd Christmas post.

I'm not trying to piss on anyones potpourri I just agree with Rand that Ron won't win it. Not trying to disparage Ron's efforts and what he's accomplishing as I believe all that's important. I just don't share in this enthusiasm that he's going to win.

Warren G. Harding

[opinionatedfool]

We are better off when we are not on the radar. The establishment will have their heads in the cloud and we can continue getting delegates at State Conventions.

If Ron Paul went up and said "I'm going to kick Romney's ass" then Romney's supporters will show up at the conventions in droves.

I was worried that the establishment will catch on to our delegate strategy but now this keep us off the radar, so lets look to the conventions this weekend.

+rep

Totally agree.

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Now resources need to be spent on winnable races.

[opinionatedfool]

Realistically the email could have been worded much better.
Realistically, the 'real world' now has strong reason to believe Ron is out. :mad:

The "real world" has thought he was out for quite awhile now. WHen was the last time he was really mentioned anywhere? That is being realistic.

[CaptainAmerica]

We are better off when we are not on the radar. The establishment will have their heads in the cloud and we can continue getting delegates at State Conventions.

If Ron Paul went up and said "I'm going to kick Romney's ass" then Romney's supporters will show up at the conventions in droves.

I was worried that the establishment will catch on to our delegate strategy but now this keep us off the radar, so lets look to the conventions this weekend. you may be right. It sounds like a smart idea if Ron knows his strategy is to get delegates from this point forward.

[gerryb]

How do you "work on conventions"? Do you get a list of the delegates and call them over and over and over again? Most of these state conventions, the delegates have already been chosen. It's not like you or I could just walk into a state convention and have a vote. How do you "focus" on conventions? Mitt Romney didn't have 1144 "bound" delegates yet and Dr. Paul has said he won't work on stopping him from accumulating more "bound" delegates.

So besides going to a state convention and giving a speech, how else will Dr. Paul now garner delegates? Phone from home? Please be realistic here.

Precisely.

Although I get the feeling you don't believe marketing is successful. We're winning Virginia with that strategy.. It's the only way to EVER win.

[MelissaCato]

Are you being sarcastic lol see Lloyd Christmas post.

I'm not trying to piss on anyones potpourri I just agree with Rand that Ron won't win it. Not trying to disparage Ron's efforts and what he's accomplishing as I believe all that's important. I just don't share in this enthusiasm that he's going to win.

NO, I was not being sarcastic.

[Q11Q]

I'm with you on that this is nothing more than a campaign strategy by Paul to let the Romney supporters think that their Obama strategy of bullying Paul supporters has paid off and now they can stop worrying about us.

A recent comment by a Romney supporter on a different forum site just said the same thing, "Here's a thought I had on RP strategy that I have seen numerous time throughout my career. As a way to re-energize his followers, RP 'suggests' he is quitting because he does not have the funds (from his supporters) to wage an effective campaign. As the state convention process is not over by a long shot, this will energize his base to become more aggressive in 'taking' (stealing) leadership positions in order to set the agenda and take delegates".

Remember General Sun Tzu's advice, "Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance"

I'm not giving up on Liberty. Not now. Not ever.

[wizardwatson]

Warren G. Harding

As Ron always says, there's always a risk.

[Brian4Liberty]

I encourage all supporters of Liberty to make sure you get to the polls and make your voices heard, particularly in the local, state, and Congressional elections, where so many defenders of Freedom are fighting and need your support.


Get out the vote! Vote for Ron, and while you are at it, vote for other liberty candidates too!

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[kuckfeynes]

I agree, this move is for the best. I almost choked on my coffee when I read the headlines, but after thinking about it, it makes sense. We could never hope to influence so many people dollar for dollar against Romney. This will seal the deal for a low turnout since there is effectively no choice on the popular front, which will make the delegate battle easier. The time for winning hearts and minds is over and the time to make plays is now.

[devil21]

Truthfully, I think Ron's been overwhelmed at us going into non-caucus states and snagging delegates we "weren't entitled to," and doesn't want to rock the boat for Rand. He expected it in Iowa, Maine, etc... but we're kicking ass and taking names all over this place, and it's gotten beyond his control, and certainly beyond the control of the campaign. If Ron officially dropped out today, how many of us would not change a thing we are doing? He's got to remove himself at some level before it really gets good. Just my opinion. I could be wrong.

I wouldnt change a thing even if Ron himself put out a video saying to completely stop taking over the conventions. As much as I love Ron, he can't have it both ways and campaign on it being about the message and not the man, then turning around and start making it about the man and not the message. Ron would NEVER tell us to stop so it's purely academic but yeah this is out of his control now anyway.

[LawnWake]

Warren G. Harding

In true Republican fashion, he was never one to regulate.

[thoughtomator]

I wouldnt change a thing even if Ron himself put out a video saying to completely stop taking over the conventions. As much as I love Ron, he can't have it both ways and campaign on it being about the message and not the man, then turning around and start making it about the man and not the message. Ron would NEVER tell us to stop so it's purely academic but yeah this is out of his control now anyway.

Hear, hear. Ron Paul could not stop the Liberty freight train if he wanted to (which I am sure he does not). It's not about Ron Paul. It's about our freedom and the nation we leave to our posterity.

[messana]

Is he still able to participate in the RNC if everybody thinks he dropped out?

[maninblack]

The press release was stupid. There was no reason to tell anyone that you were going to focus on caucus states. You just do it. Now it's created confusion and the MSM is running with as if he's out. I'm sorry there was nothing brilliant about this. It was actually height of amateurism.

[seawolf]

The people we as a Liberty Movement have to be worried about now are the 110,000 Youth for Ron Paul Supporters.

I am shocked that Ron Paul would not continue to hold rallies on College Campus's to build the Liberty Movement in the outgoing years.

This is the most devastating part of "stupid" press release today. We shot ourselves in the proverbial foot if our goal is to continue building the Liberty Movement.

A HUGE BLUNDER!!!

[Valli6]

I doubt it has that much to do with the wording of the email.
Remember 2008? How many months were they saying Paul had dropped out while he was still running? They just want to be able to get that thing going - like he's dropped out, so they have an excuse to keep pretending he's out. Now they'll pretend they are vindicated when they don't cover any success he has. If it wasn't this email, they'd have found some other reason call him "out".

[alucard13mmfmj]

The people we as a Liberty Movement have to be worried about now are the 110,000 Youth for Ron Paul Supporters.

I am shocked that Ron Paul would not continue to hold rallies on College Campus's to build the Liberty Movement in the outgoing years.

This is the most devastating part of "stupid" press release today. We shot ourselves in the proverbial foot if our goal is to continue building the Liberty Movement.

A HUGE BLUNDER!!!

college students cant fund the campaign.... the campaign probably realizes this so they cut and go the rallies. i know college students are the future of the movement, but it does not really benefit the campaign too much.
-college students are too poor or paying off tuition to donate
-college students too busy with school/job/relationship to do grassroots stuff
-college students at a college might not be able to vote in their district because their original address is out of state
-college students might just be going to rallies because it is the cool, hip thing to do, like Kony 2012

again, i do understand the importance of educating people.. maybe some might get involved in the delegate process at the conventions. maybe they might even join the grassroots. however, i imagine it is only a small portion of the 5,000-8,000 crowd that would go down this route.

[freedomordeath]

the Romney campaign aren't going anywhere, they hold the reigns of media power, they are not stupid and probably even have poeple in these forums, they will use every dirty trick, we need to start getting lawyers and prosecute the fraud, we just need to carry on.

[maxoutco]

I'm gonna post this here also from another thread, as I see it can apply here also.

<<<<

Ok, here is my speculation on this...

This statement from the Paul campaign has a huge purpose and just might be genius. We already have the media ignoring us, and we have a huge task to get the message out about our wins of delegates and our delegate strategy. I was really trying to think why the Paul campaign would have stooped to such low levels like this.

Well, here's why. We don't have to look that far back. Just at the last thing that pissed some/most people off. That was Doug Wead's major announcement that wasn't a major announcement. Man, that sure got a lot of people's attention. One thing that stuck out from what he facebook/tweeted though was he stated that the establishment GOP is making it sound like we are trying to backdoor this thing and going against the will of the party. He stated we needed a HUGE way to get out the message that Paul was winning the delegates fair and square.


Well, here ya go. We now have EVERY medium right now reporting national and local that Paul has dropped out or shifted direction. Yes, WE HAVE EVERY MEDIUM, FINALLY. What do medium's have. Comments! We now have a way (RP internet revolution) to inform the masses of people that Ron Paul is winning huge. The more we can report to people to start informing them, the less of a shocker it will be when ol' brokered convention (abstain) or the final win (unbound) comes around.

So use this message a blessing in disguise even if it wasn't meant to be, because we now have the national podium to inform the sheeple that we are here to stay.

>>>>

[AZ Libertarian]

The thing is... you didn't need an email to say any of that.
Not right before a supposedly needed money bomb...

I agree 100% with this sentiment.

It shouldn't have been sent like this. It shouldn't have been sent at all, even if that is what they plan to do.

If it is an intentional signal to the media and the Establishment, DON'T send it to the grass roots, dammit. Any pessimism shown only brings up bad memories from when he dropped out last time after assuring us he would 'go all the way' as long as the money was there (which it was) and we were behind him (which you can tell because we're STILL HERE!).

[Q11Q]

Exactly.


I'm gonna post this here also from another thread, as I see it can apply here also.

<<<<

Ok, here is my speculation on this...

This statement from the Paul campaign has a huge purpose and just might be genius. We already have the media ignoring us, and we have a huge task to get the message out about our wins of delegates and our delegate strategy. I was really trying to think why the Paul campaign would have stooped to such low levels like this.

Well, here's why. We don't have to look that far back. Just at the last thing that pissed some/most people off. That was Doug Wead's major announcement that wasn't a major announcement. Man, that sure got a lot of people's attention. One thing that stuck out from what he facebook/tweeted though was he stated that the establishment GOP is making it sound like we are trying to backdoor this thing and going against the will of the party. He stated we needed a HUGE way to get out the message that Paul was winning the delegates fair and square.


Well, here ya go. We now have EVERY medium right now reporting national and local that Paul has dropped out or shifted direction. Yes, WE HAVE EVERY MEDIUM, FINALLY. What do medium's have. Comments! We now have a way (RP internet revolution) to inform the masses of people that Ron Paul is winning huge. The more we can report to people to start informing them, the less of a shocker it will be when ol' brokered convention (abstain) or the final win (unbound) comes around.

So use this message a blessing in disguise even if it wasn't meant to be, because we now have the national podium to inform the sheeple that we are here to stay.

>>>>

[The Free Hornet]

Rand already said his dad isn't going to win the nomination, I think this email is the beginning of the "break it to them gently" stage.

What is the source for this? Include the exact quote ("said" what?).

[wizardwatson]

What is the source for this? Include the exact quote ("said" what?).

See video on this thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?375660

Quote is:

"Thousands of people are showing up to see a guy and hear a guy who isn't going to win the nomination." - Rand Paul (@ 4:29)

[maninblack]

Exactly.
now that's some spin. Kudos though for trying to polish this turd.

[The Free Hornet]

If it is an intentional signal to the media and the Establishment, DON'T send it to the grass roots, dammit.

Is this practical? Do they have an email list labeled "establishment" and one labeled "grass roots"? I'm not being a smartass. With a mass release of information, how do you target one group and not the other? At best you delay the transfer of knowledge for a few minutes. I like Ron Paul but he has no secret way of communicating with me. I bet Romney has Ron Paul donors on his campaign for no other reason than to get information faster. Paul may have people that do the same (donate a few bucks to a candidate, get emails and strategy info sooner).


Any pessimism shown only brings up bad memories from when he dropped out last time after assuring us he would 'go all the way' as long as the money was there (which it was) and we were behind him (which you can tell because we're STILL HERE!).

There was little pessimism aside from the implied lack of tens of millions of dollars. The media misinterpreted the press release - likely on purpose - and you are reacting to the reaction. In 2008, Ron Paul held an alternative convention and started the "Campaign for Liberty". I don't expect 2012 to end with a whimper.

Hell, I feel like we are being played by the MSM. It won't end well for the MSM as they make themselves increasingly useless and unreliable. I had two coworkers tell me Ron Paul ended his campaign. I knew was pure BS even though I have been off the forums all day. Honestly, I thought it was BS unless there was a serious health or family emergency. There wasn't. BS story is BS. Don't buy it.

[ericthethe]

We are better off when we are not on the radar. The establishment will have their heads in the cloud and we can continue getting delegates at State Conventions.

If Ron Paul went up and said "I'm going to kick Romney's ass" then Romney's supporters will show up at the conventions in droves.

I was worried that the establishment will catch on to our delegate strategy but now this keep us off the radar, so lets look to the conventions this weekend.

http://cdn.styleforum.net/4/4a/350x700px-LL-4ad90b08_Not-sure-if-serious2.jpeg



I didn't think about it from this angle. Nice.

Then you thought correctly the first time because this angle is retarded and reeks of denial and desperation.

[The Free Hornet]

See video on this thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?375660

Quote is:

"Thousands of people are showing up to see a guy and hear a guy who isn't going to win the nomination." - Rand Paul (@ 4:29)

Thanks. Rand might have been speaking casually as if to say, "thousands are showing up to see a guy nobody thinks will win the nomination". However, as he worded it, it is stupid. I would not take it as the gospel truth just because it is Rand Paul.

Also, Rand is playing a dangerous game with establishment and I think that statement shows either a disregard to the effect of words or he is courting the insider crowd to be the "safe" liberty candidate. He could be like the grape Mr Miyagi (Karate Kid) speaks of, not walking to the right or the left but getting squashed in the middle.

[papitosabe]

ok, so he's not spending money on any remaining primary states...so how many caucus states are left?

edit...found it...so the only caucus states left are 6/01-6/10 - Nebraska, Caucus
6/14-6/16 - Montana, Caucus

so he's only going to campaign in these 2 states from now til then???

[VBRonPaulFan]

if the grassroots that's supposed to be in the know is confused by this, what do you think all the soft support thinks? exactly what the media is narrating it as - that's what. that Paul is out. poor move, imo.

[parocks]

college students cant fund the campaign.... the campaign probably realizes this so they cut and go the rallies. i know college students are the future of the movement, but it does not really benefit the campaign too much.
-college students are too poor or paying off tuition to donate
-college students too busy with school/job/relationship to do grassroots stuff
-college students at a college might not be able to vote in their district because their original address is out of state
-college students might just be going to rallies because it is the cool, hip thing to do, like Kony 2012

again, i do understand the importance of educating people.. maybe some might get involved in the delegate process at the conventions. maybe they might even join the grassroots. however, i imagine it is only a small portion of the 5,000-8,000 crowd that would go down this route.

Rallies are also a bit of an attractive nuisance. Ron Paul supporters fill their tank with $4 a gallon gasoline and drive hours to see Ron Paul speak. If msm mentioned every time RP got 10x as many people at a rally as Romney, then it would be "earned media". But they never mentioned those huge rallies. And they never really made the most of those huge rallies. People weren't roped into signing up on the email list, or registering, or contributing, in the numbers that it would be really really useful.

[parocks]

if the grassroots that's supposed to be in the know is confused by this, what do you think all the soft support thinks? exactly what the media is narrating it as - that's what. that Paul is out. poor move, imo.

Are we counting on soft support to go to the conventions? My guess is no.

[alucard13mmfmj]

Rallies are also a bit of an attractive nuisance. Ron Paul supporters fill their tank with $4 a gallon gasoline and drive hours to see Ron Paul speak. If msm mentioned every time RP got 10x as many people at a rally as Romney, then it would be "earned media". But they never mentioned those huge rallies. And they never really made the most of those huge rallies. People weren't roped into signing up on the email list, or registering, or contributing, in the numbers that it would be really really useful.

4 dollar gas couldve been donation money ^^ hehe

[parocks]

ok, so he's not spending money on any remaining primary states...so how many caucus states are left?

edit...found it...so the only caucus states left are 6/01-6/10 - Nebraska, Caucus
6/14-6/16 - Montana, Caucus

so he's only going to campaign in these 2 states from now til then???

No.

Conventions.

Like, just this past weekend. - Arizona, Oklahoma, Virginia.
And the weekend before - Maine, Nevada.

Getting our people in as the delegates, that's the plan.

There are 5 (I think) this coming weekend. We don't really do all that great in the "people voting in voting booths" part. We do well in the "drive hours, spend days" part.

[parocks]

4 dollar gas couldve been donation money ^^ hehe

That's the exact point I was trying to make. Opportunity costs.

[awake]

If any one is counting, we were supposedly out of this race hundreds if not thousands of times ago. We don't listen very well, just ask the Republican party "leadership".

Like a weasel stuck on an electric fence - we got them shaking.

[Kirdneh]

Truthfully, I think Ron's been overwhelmed ...He's got to remove himself at some level before it really gets good

Absolutely right, the best comment of the day. Nearly all crazy successes go beyond the imagination of their creator. Most primary elections 2012 already doubled 2008. I also think the campaign must have had a plan/knowledge which funds to expect. Todays announcer is nothing but repeating whats already been said: no campaigning in primary states!

'Dropping out' (thats what it is painted) just in that week with so many state conv ahead doesnt make any sense other than deceiving the opponent. Especially since conv went so well until now.

This will get funny when they have to drag him to the microphone in Tampa! With RP going underneath radars he could sweep most of this weeks conventions , run into an effective delegate lead, take that into TX to win it and add all up for CA. That could easily make Romney clear for the first dropout of the quartet at 7th of June. Got to play that on intrade!

All fantasy, but this weeks conventions will tell it all.

[VBRonPaulFan]

Are we counting on soft support to go to the conventions? My guess is no.

Soft support donates. The kind of people that go to conventions are already maxed out.

[dude58677]

Soft support donates. The kind of people that go to conventions are already maxed out.


Ron Paul is spending his maxed out funds on conventions which cost much less than primaries. The other side is already complacent.

[RonRules]

The other advantage is that the MSM is finally covering Ron on their internet websites, all of them.

People read these articles, but also scan the comments. The comments are great, like 90% pro-Paul and set the record straight.

This whole thing is brilliant and worked brilliantly.

[EBounding]

I think the e-mail's a net negative, but whatever. One good thing it may do is make the Romney delegates around here breathe a sigh of relief and not bother going to the convention in Detroit.