Megaupload destroyed but no trial will ensue due to lack of jurisdiction

[JasonM]

This is absolutely outrageous!! This is government simply taking down a business just because it can! The US government never had ANY jurisdiction to act in this manner, and now they caused millions of dollars of damage and the destruction of 220 jobs. The people who caused this should be PERSONALLY held liable for these damages and their careers destroyed to serve as a warning to future government agents not to do this shit to people.

http://torrentfreak.com/megaupload-trial-may-never-happen-judge-says-120420/


http://torrentfreak.com/kim-dotcom-lashes-out-against-corrupt-us-government-120420/



This is absolutely a liberty issue, and we need to do something to protect companies from being destroyed like this without appropriate due process!!

[alucard13mmfmj]

i had a lot of archived files on megaupload =( and i think this is the wrong section o.o.

[sailingaway]

I do agree it is outrageous.

[JasonM]

Apologies for that. Mods please move to Hot Topics?

[JasonM]

I don't trust that stuff because it is out of my control.

<<<----data control freak...

That, and because I have so much stuff it takes too long to upload anyways.

[sailingaway]

Apologies for that. Mods please move to Hot Topics?

general politics, I think.

[tttppp]

If the government wants to destroy a company, there should be some system in place for doing so. They shouldn't be able to randomly destroy a company because they want to.

[sailingaway]

If the government wants to destroy a company, there should be some system in place for doing so. They shouldn't be able to randomly destroy a company because they want to.

The 5th amendment and compensation come to mind.

[Anti Federalist]

If the government wants to destroy a company, there should be some system in place for doing so. They shouldn't be able to randomly destroy a company because they want to.

There is.

Policy was followed.

[Anti Federalist]

The 5th amendment and compensation come to mind.

No standing, foreign company.

They should consider themselves lucky they didn't get vaporized by drone strikes.

[tttppp]

There is.

Policy was followed.

What policy was that? If the company is not guilty of anything, then what is the reason for destroying the company?

[JasonM]

There is.

Policy was followed.

If you read the articles, it wasn't. The USA can't serve foreign companies that don't have any physical presence (like servers for example) in the country. The US gov't basically went out and destroyed a foreign online company and used international connections to do it.

There needs to be some retribution for this error, and the US taxpayer cannot be the one to pay. Someone needs to have their financial life ruined for this transgression.

[JasonM]

What policy was that? If the company is not guilty of anything, then what is the reason for destroying the company?

Greed and corruption at the beck and call of the copyright extremist foundation aka Hollywood.

[alucard13mmfmj]

the owner of megaupload was a pro-gamer... and i think he got charged with loansharking or charges that are unrelated to piracy. i guess they wanted to shut it down and used these felony charges as n excuse to shut down mega.

they also had porn too =p... i bet santorum wouldve shut it down.

[Anti Federalist]

What policy was that? If the company is not guilty of anything, then what is the reason for destroying the company?


If you read the articles, it wasn't. The USA can't serve foreign companies that don't have any physical presence (like servers for example) in the country. The US gov't basically went out and destroyed a foreign online company and used international connections to do it.

There needs to be some retribution for this error, and the US taxpayer cannot be the one to pay. Someone needs to have their financial life ruined for this transgression.

I'm being sarcastic.

Somewhere there was "policy" and it was "followed".

That's how government rolls.

Like I said, they should count themselves lucky they didn't get a hellfire missile shot up their ass.

[tttppp]

Greed and corruption at the beck and call of the copyright extremist foundation aka Hollywood.

Competitors shouldn't be able to make a call to Washington, or bribe them, in order to put a competitor out of business. Thats not a logical system.

[JasonM]

the owner of megaupload was a pro-gamer... and i think he got charged with loansharking or charges that are unrelated to piracy. i guess they wanted to shut it down and used these felony charges as n excuse to shut down mega.

they also had porn too =p... i bet santorum wouldve shut it down.

But the problem is that it was a felony according to whose laws? You can't break the law of the USA if you don't even live in the fucking country!

For example, if you criticized the King of Thailand on your blog and created a company called "The King of Thailand sucks foundation" and published all sorts of media insulting the King of Thailand, what's stopping the country of Thailand from trying to extradite your ass and putting you in prison for 20 years? IF you lived in Thailand as a foreign national, you might face charges. However, if you lived in the USA and did that, you are protected cuz of the 1st Amendment.

Jurisdiction matters, and unfortunately the US government thinks the whole world is subject to its laws. At least our courts still have SOME sanity left.

[Pericles]

There is.

Policy was followed.

Worked exactly as intended. No due process and no way to repair the damage, thus no recourse.

[tod evans]

No standing, foreign company.

They should consider themselves lucky they didn't get vaporized by drone strikes.

Still laughing.........Even though it's both pathetic and scary!

[LibertyRevolution]

So, how long before they go shutting down all the companies that do seedbox hosting?
Those are designed and marketed to allow you to seed torrent files without the liability to yourself.
Seedboxes are hosted in countries where US law does not apply.

The seedbox does the actual download/uploading of the file from the internet.
So technically, your not uploading any copyrighted files, the seedbox hosting site is.
Then you download the files from the seedbox, not the torrent tracker, the tracker never sees your IP.

Its the uploading of files that gets you in trouble.
You will never get busted for watching/downloading, only sending.

[LibForestPaul]

Actually, isn't this an issue Kiwis need to bring up. Their puppet government was the one who bent over backwards for foreign invaders. Not sure how it involves US. Antigua didn't role over and play dead with online gambling gripes of US corporatists .

[JasonM]

Actually, isn't this an issue Kiwis need to bring up. Their puppet government was the one who bent over backwards for foreign invaders. Not sure how it involves US. Antigua didn't role over and play dead with online gambling gripes of US corporatists .

Absolutely. We need a globalized liberty movement in all countries, as Ironic as that may sound considering the anti-globalist sentiments of some users here. :P

After all, at the end of the day, this isn't just about American Liberty. It's about Human liberty, and people of all countries and faiths can learn something from the US founders. It was the USA, after all, that inspired other countries to demand independence from European Imperialists and set up Democracies of their own. And the Representative form of government as an idea spread to all corners of the Earth without the USA having to lift a finger. As such, this is the greatest argument for non-intervention and focusing resources on our own prosperity instead of the prosperity of other countries (which our military currently does with its base presence).

In a way, globalization isn't such a bad thing if the foundation of global government is fundamentally rooted in principles of Liberty similar to our own, and checks and balances are established not only in the public sector, but the private sector as well. The trick is preventing the tendency toward centralization of power in both the public and private sectors, which is something we Americans are still working on unfortunately.

[impaleddead]

Absolutely. We need a globalized liberty movement in all countries, as Ironic as that may sound considering the anti-globalist sentiments of some users here. :P

After all, at the end of the day, this isn't just about American Liberty. It's about Human liberty, and people of all countries and faiths can learn something from the US founders. It was the USA, after all, that inspired other countries to demand independence from European Imperialists and set up Democracies of their own. And the Representative form of government as an idea spread to all corners of the Earth without the USA having to lift a finger. As such, this is the greatest argument for non-intervention and focusing resources on our own prosperity instead of the prosperity of other countries (which our military currently does with its base presence).

In a way, globalization isn't such a bad thing if the foundation of global government is fundamentally rooted in principles of Liberty similar to our own, and checks and balances are established not only in the public sector, but the private sector as well. The trick is preventing the tendency toward centralization of power in both the public and private sectors, which is something we Americans are still working on unfortunately.

Thanks dude, i hate the blind 'hurr durr global anything BAD!'

The ultimate fate of mankind is global unity as it explorers and colonizes the galaxy, the only question is whether we'll be united in global freedom or tyranny.