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Anti Federalist
05-10-2012, 05:21 PM
And roughed up a grandmother back in 2011.
Just a few bad apples.
Seriously, stay the fuck away from these criminal lunatics.
DeKalb officer Jerad Wheeler investigated after allegedly kicking pregnant woman in stomach
By Lena Sullivan / WSBTV 05/08/2012 22:17:00
http://www.gadailynews.com/news/95740-dekalb-officer-jerad-wheeler-investigated-after-allegedly-kicking-pregnant-woman-in-stomach.html
DeKalb officer Jerad Wheeler investigated after allegedly kicking pregnant woman in stomach
Channel 2 Action News has learned a DeKalb County police officer is under criminal investigation for allegedly kicking a pregnant woman in the stomach, then charging her with obstruction of a police officer.
Records show the department never investigated the incident and five supervising officers signed off on the officer's actions.
"I was upset because I couldn't believe an officer would kick me, with my child in my stomach," Raven Dozier told investigative reporter Jodie Fleischer.
Dozier was nearly nine months pregnant and helping to calm down her brother who was arguing with police. They used a Taser on him, and she cried out.
That's when Officer Jerad Wheeler used what he described in his report as "a front push-kick to the abdomen, as he was taught to do at the academy."
"What kind of a human being kicks a pregnant woman? I mean, forget whether or not it is a police officer that is supposedly protecting people," Dozier's attorney Mark Bullman said.
Dozier filed a complaint with the DeKalb police department's internal affairs unit, but it was never investigated. Instead, four supervisors and an internal affairs detective signed off that Wheeler's use of force met policy.
"He was not, he had no reason to do that, and for a higher authority to say that he is OK, his boss is wrong too," Dozier said.
Fleischer filed an open records request and found two more use-of-force complaints against Wheeler within the last nine months. In all three cases, the victims were not the focus of the original police incident.
In September 2011, a 53-year-old woman said Wheeler twisted her arm behind her back and pushed her face down in the patrol car. The woman's daughter had just been in a car accident and she had gone to the scene to help with her young grandchildren.
In January 2012, a family complained after Wheeler shot their dog while he was on a chain inside their garage. Wheeler had responded to the wrong address.
In both cases, the department justified Wheeler's actions and exonerated him.
"It's showing that there is an ongoing pattern and practice of attempting to clear officers of clearly illegal, unconstitutional, and improper conduct," Bullman said.
Wheeler charged Dozier with obstruction of an officer.
In his report, he said she was coming toward him in an aggressive manner that it was very dark, she was wearing a large shirt, and he couldn't tell she was pregnant.
But workers at the DeKalb County Jail recognized it immediately, and refused accept Dozier. She had an emergency C-section two weeks later, and now baby Levi is doing well.
"I believe that something should be done. Men go to jail every day for hitting women and it's not OK just because he is a police officer," said Dozier.
"My hope is that with this and other cases, things will change at the DeKalb Police Department, that it is no longer possible for officers to commit felonies against citizens that have committed no crime whatsoever," Bullman said.
A DeKalb police representative did not want to comment on how the department handled this case.
phill4paul
05-10-2012, 05:24 PM
Cop hater. Post like this cost Ron Paul the win in primary states.
Anti Federalist
05-10-2012, 05:25 PM
Cop hater. Post like this cost Ron Paul the win in primary states.
I'm anti American too.
fisharmor
05-10-2012, 05:27 PM
Can't really get any clearer than this, can it?
Pericles
05-10-2012, 05:43 PM
Coincidence? I think not.
Kluge
05-10-2012, 06:07 PM
Where's azxd?
ProIndividual
05-10-2012, 06:16 PM
Cop hater. Post like this cost Ron Paul the win in primary states.
http://pichars.org/store/4139_original_87582072.gif
phill4paul
05-10-2012, 06:21 PM
Kicking a pregnant woman in the stomach is a 'pre-emptive' strike. Who knows what kind of delinquent that kid could have grown up to have been. Thank goodness we have law enforcement. It's posts like these that keep Ron Paul from winning the nomination. This post should be moved to the 'batshit crazy' subforum for even questioning the practices of our Law Enforcement community.
aGameOfThrones
05-10-2012, 06:31 PM
Records show the department never investigated the incident and five supervising officers signed off on the officer's actions.
At least I found the good cops.
phill4paul
05-10-2012, 06:38 PM
At least I found the good cops.
I'm glad they hang in the back ground. It would be ANARCHY if good cops were on the front lines.
James Madison
05-10-2012, 07:04 PM
I'm anti American too.
I bet you have a pocket Constitution on you as well, am I right?
Calling DHS just to be safe.
kcchiefs6465
05-10-2012, 07:18 PM
For him to even admit to kicking a pregnant woman in the stomach shows how much "protection" he knew he had. And yet again, not a damn mention outside of local news. You have a knack for ruining my night AF. But in the words of Sublyminal, "You have no idea what they go through, day in and day out." I mean, quite honestly, if I had to witness dogs being exectued and pregnant women being "front kicked," I'd be a little crazy too.
kcchiefs6465
05-10-2012, 07:18 PM
Can't really get any clearer than this, can it?
Aside from a man being beat to death on camera, it can't.
cstarace
05-10-2012, 07:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_664t4rIGYM
Anti Federalist
05-10-2012, 07:25 PM
I bet you have a pocket Constitution on you as well, am I right?
Calling DHS just to be safe.
How are you watching me...???
ಠ_ಠ
ZENemy
05-10-2012, 07:28 PM
How are you watching me...???
ಠ_ಠ
Pro-Pure water filters have cameras in them!
:D
mport1
05-10-2012, 08:16 PM
Just a few bad apples.
Every last one of them is a bad apple. Some are just less rotten than the rest.
Seriously, stay the fuck away from these criminal lunatics.
Best advice anybody can give. These guys are violent psychopaths. Avoid them at all costs. They are not looking to protect you. Their job is to catch "criminals" and put them in jail. And everyone is a criminal nowadays with all the laws on the books (and they'll just hit you with obstruction, disorderly conduct, etc. if you aren't breaking one of them).
JK/SEA
05-10-2012, 08:22 PM
It's showing that there is an ongoing pattern and practice of attempting to clear officers of clearly illegal, unconstitutional, and improper conduct," Bullman said.
we need this on billboards across America.
Flugel89
05-10-2012, 08:25 PM
Where's the attempted murder charge?
He was just doing what he was taught. He thought he was in danger. She waddled towards him in such a threatening manner, and had a large Tshirt on and something underneath it. Maybe a threatening bowling ball? Or possibly she had a pillow with sharp corners hiding underneath that tshirt and the look in her eye showed malicious intent. It was clearly self defense...What's your problem??
Cop hater. Post like this cost Ron Paul the win in primary states.Only when people come here and realize that such things are the primary focus.
IronPatriot
05-11-2012, 01:57 AM
Only when people come here and realize that such things are the primary focus.
The ironic thing about that is the fact that you just responded to five different cop threads in a row, bumping them all to the top.
John F Kennedy III
05-11-2012, 04:24 AM
And he'll be police chief by christmas.
moostraks
05-11-2012, 05:48 AM
Only when people come here and realize that such things are the primary focus.
Police brutality and abuses by other government organizations such as department of family and children services (which ranks up there with the police in abuse of the people) should rightfully be a focus for those who give a care about liberty. It is petty tyrants who get in to these occupations and terrorize others while enjoying legal protection from what the rest of society would be prosecuted to the max for committing. So the more you or others squeal about these types of threads the more I hope people like AF, who have the fortitude to wade through these types of articles, will post them to make people aware of the little guy who gets beat up everyday by these filthy, evil sort of power drunk jerks.
Steve-in-NY
05-11-2012, 06:00 AM
I'm just happy they finally printed the name of the offending officer. It drives me mad when they just say the victims names and "the officer"
The ironic thing about that is the fact that you just responded to five different cop threads in a row, bumping them all to the top.Yes, it is kind of ironic.
Police brutality and abuses by other government organizations such as department of family and children services (which ranks up there with the police in abuse of the people) should rightfully be a focus for those who give a care about liberty. It is petty tyrants who get in to these occupations and terrorize others while enjoying legal protection from what the rest of society would be prosecuted to the max for committing. So the more you or others squeal about these types of threads the more I hope people like AF, who have the fortitude to wade through these types of articles, will post them to make people aware of the little guy who gets beat up everyday by these filthy, evil sort of power drunk jerks.So what you're really saying is, that it will be fine to add to this level, and turn the entire section into police-watch.
Kluge
05-11-2012, 07:49 AM
So what you're really saying is, that it will be fine to add to this level, and turn the entire section into police-watch.
So what you're really saying is, you're perfectly okay with cops kicking pregnant women in the stomach, and paying them to do so.
JK/SEA
05-11-2012, 08:43 AM
cops are detached from reality, they have lost their souls, they have lost their humanity. The record is clear.
moostraks
05-11-2012, 09:22 AM
So what you're really saying is, that it will be fine to add to this level, and turn the entire section into police-watch.
So should we just ignore that there are certain people who get immunity and are abusing the general public? Are the crimes of police officers the only articles you think should be excluded from the general politics section or is it any government worker who has been found to have abused his power who should have the article buried so no one is confronted with the need to reform at the local level???
As to your question, yes I totally agree that general politics should be the government watch section of the forum. I believe I was quite clear previously that I find dfacs to be equally as abusive as the police.
Liberty_Mike
05-11-2012, 10:49 AM
This is just disgusting. How much longer will police continue to get away with actions like this? This man should not only be fired, but should face assault charges. Sick bastard!
So what you're really saying is, you're perfectly okay with cops kicking pregnant women in the stomach, and STEALING MONEY FROM US TO pay them to do so.
mr fixit at it again
This is just disgusting. How much longer will police continue to get away with actions like this? This man should not only be fired, but should face assault charges. Sick bastard!
put
him
in
stocks
and open a fruit stand nearby- PROFIT!:D
Anti Federalist
05-11-2012, 11:13 AM
Where's azxd?
He'll be here.
Only when people come here and realize that such things are the primary focus.
See?
az listen, all you have to do is talk to the mods or go right to the owner.
His name is Josh, and if there is a problem, get them to address it, come to me and tell me to stop, or give me an infraction, or whatever, if you think it's such an issue.
You're coming off looking like a horse's ass following me around in every thread and whining about though.
That being said, I will continue doing as I am, because I think there is no more "political" issue out there, than the issue of who and what fashion ultimately enforces the decisions made in the political process.
The "political process" has made it very clear, it is at war with the American people.
I'm just a reporter on the front lines of battle that is raging every single day, with tanks, grenades, automatic weapons, soldiers and real live people (and animals) losing their lives.
tod evans
05-11-2012, 11:15 AM
I'm just a reporter on the front lines of battle that is raging every single day, with tanks, grenades, automatic weapons, soldiers and real live people (and animals) losing their lives.
How dare you!
Cop hater.
Reported.
aGameOfThrones
05-11-2012, 11:19 AM
He'll be here.
See?
az listen, all you have to do is talk to the mods or go right to the owner.
His name is Josh, and if there is a problem, get them to address it, come to me and tell me to stop, or give me an infraction, or whatever, if you think it's such an issue.
You're coming off looking like a horse's ass following me around in every thread and whining about though.
That being said, I will continue doing as am I am, because I think there is no more "political" issue out there, than the issue of who and what fashion ultimately enforces the decisions made in the political process.
The "political process" has made it very clear, it is at war with the American people.
I'm just a reporter on the front lines of battle that is raging every single day, with tanks, grenades, automatic weapons, soldiers and real live people (and animals) losing their lives.
http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/122/1223973/wwe-raw-20120501033716291.gif
Anti Federalist
05-11-2012, 11:19 AM
How dare you!
Cop hater.
Reported.
Save your minutes.
Danke and his girlfriend already have a whole satellite keyholed and looking at me.
Anti Federalist
05-11-2012, 11:23 AM
http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/122/1223973/wwe-raw-20120501033716291.gif
That made me chuckle.
Thanks.
So did this:
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/batman-laderlappen.jpg
phill4paul
05-11-2012, 11:27 AM
He'll be here.
See?
az listen, all you have to do is talk to the mods or go right to the owner.
His name is Josh, and if there is a problem, get them to address it, come to me and tell me to stop, or give me an infraction, or whatever, if you think it's such an issue.
You're coming off looking like a horse's ass following me around in every thread and whining about though.
That being said, I will continue doing as am I am, because I think there is no more "political" issue out there, than the issue of who and what fashion ultimately enforces the decisions made in the political process.
The "political process" has made it very clear, it is at war with the American people.
I'm just a reporter on the front lines of battle that is raging every single day, with tanks, grenades, automatic weapons, soldiers and real live people (and animals) losing their lives.
Someone else we know thinks it's a problem too. It just so happens the forums are named after him.
http://davidkretzmann.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/the-police-state-in-this-country-1024x633.jpg
cops are detached from reality, they have lost their souls, they have lost their humanity. The record is clear.
Oh for f*cksssake.
Yep. All of them. And all RP supporters are ignorant, racist and batshit crazy because of a couple of loonies they put on the news.
Right?
JK/SEA
05-11-2012, 12:42 PM
Oh for f*cksssake.
Yep. All of them. And all RP are ignorant, racist and batshit crazy because of a couple of loonies they put on the news.
Right?
Ron Paul supporters don't have the power of the State and military weapons to kill on a whim with do they?...right?..
ok..i'll say MOST cops, instead of a blanket statement. All better now?
jmdrake
05-11-2012, 12:51 PM
And roughed up a grandmother back in 2011.
She resisted arrest by throwing her false teeth at him.
DeKalb officer Jerad Wheeler investigated after allegedly kicking pregnant woman in stomach
...
"I was upset because I couldn't believe an officer would kick me, with my child in my stomach," Raven Dozier told investigative reporter Jodie Fleischer.
Dozier was nearly nine months pregnant and helping to calm down her brother who was arguing with police. They used a Taser on him, and she cried out.
That's when Officer Jerad Wheeler used what he described in his report as "a front push-kick to the abdomen, as he was taught to do at the academy."
"What kind of a human being kicks a pregnant woman? I mean, forget whether or not it is a police officer that is supposedly protecting people," Dozier's attorney Mark Bullman said.
Dozier filed a complaint with the DeKalb police department's internal affairs unit, but it was never investigated. Instead, four supervisors and an internal affairs detective signed off that Wheeler's use of force met policy.
"He was not, he had no reason to do that, and for a higher authority to say that he is OK, his boss is wrong too," Dozier said.
Fleischer filed an open records request and found two more use-of-force complaints against Wheeler within the last nine months. In all three cases, the victims were not the focus of the original police incident.
In September 2011, a 53-year-old woman said Wheeler twisted her arm behind her back and pushed her face down in the patrol car. The woman's daughter had just been in a car accident and she had gone to the scene to help with her young grandchildren.
In January 2012, a family complained after Wheeler shot their dog while he was on a chain inside their garage. Wheeler had responded to the wrong address.
In both cases, the department justified Wheeler's actions and exonerated him.
"It's showing that there is an ongoing pattern and practice of attempting to clear officers of clearly illegal, unconstitutional, and improper conduct," Bullman said.
Wheeler charged Dozier with obstruction of an officer.
Obviously her big stomach was in his way. Never mind there was a baby on board.
A DeKalb police representative did not want to comment on how the department handled this case.
Two week paid vacation paid suspension.
Seriously, the problem is systemic.
Ron Paul supporters don't have the power of the State and military weapons to kill on a whim with do they?...right?..
ok..i'll say MOST cops, instead of a blanket statement. All better now?
No. Not really. My husband is a cop, and by default I know a lot of them - very well. ALOT of them are RP supporters. Many are also preppers, farmers, self-sufficient types etc.
Here is the thing: Tryanny. Police State. Martial Law...I get it. That's why I'm here. But of all the hundreds of thousands of cops in this country, and all of the millions of encounters they have with citizens each and every day...every week or so we hear a story like this. And suddenly, people start spouting bullshit about how all cops are evil and soul-less and brainwashed and that they are all a part of some ultimate hostile government plan.
It as an immature and rash reaction and a stereotype that is VERY dangerous to cops themselves. When you get unstable people who get all wrapped up in this way of thinking (partly because they here it over and over in places like this) Then you get angry, mentally ill people with a vendetta against the whole percieved 'system' and only one accessible target - cops.
My husband's job his dangerous enough without misguided, angry people trying to make him the poster child for government tyranny.
How about this. How about you treat it like anyone else?
Example:
"Wow - what a power-hungry psychopath. Obviously, this guy needs to lose his job, and possibly those above him who did nothing about it."
Isn't that the reaction you would have in most situations if this hadn't involved the dirty word of 'cop'?
phill4paul
05-11-2012, 01:12 PM
My husband is a cop, and by default I know a lot of them - very well.
Cop.
Family of cop.
Friend of cop.
Everyone else.
You're in good standing.
Wow. You're right. I had no personality, belief system, or principles until the day I met my husband 8 years ago. I forgot that I forefited my identity, right to opinion and insight the day I married my husband and turned my soul over to the NWO via the US Government via the local sherriffs department via my wedding ring.
Gee I forgot all about that. Shoot.
Why am I here again???
phill4paul
05-11-2012, 01:26 PM
How about this. How about you treat it like anyone else?
Example:
"Wow - what a power-hungry psychopath. Obviously, this guy needs to lose his job, and possibly those above him who did nothing about it."
Isn't that the reaction you would have in most situations if this hadn't involved the dirty word of 'cop'?
And yet your first post in this thread wasn't to condemn the police misconduct, rather it was to defend the 'good' cops like your husband.
Oh for f*cksssake.
Yep. All of them. And all RP supporters are ignorant, racist and batshit crazy because of a couple of loonies they put on the news.
Right?
Travlyr
05-11-2012, 01:29 PM
No. Not really. My husband is a cop, and by default I know a lot of them - very well. ALOT of them are RP supporters. Many are also preppers, farmers, self-sufficient types etc.
Here is the thing: Tryanny. Police State. Martial Law...I get it. That's why I'm here. But of all the hundreds of thousands of cops in this country, and all of the millions of encounters they have with citizens each and every day...every week or so we hear a story like this. And suddenly, people start spouting bullshit about how all cops are evil and soul-less and brainwashed and that they are all a part of some ultimate hostile government plan.
It as an immature and rash reaction and a stereotype that is VERY dangerous to cops themselves. When you get unstable people who get all wrapped up in this way of thinking (partly because they here it over and over in places like this) Then you get angry, mentally ill people with a vendetta against the whole percieved 'system' and only one accessible target - cops.
My husband's job his dangerous enough without misguided, angry people trying to make him the poster child for government tyranny.
What does your husband do when men in blue beats someone to death?
Some of you are so silly and simple-minded to assume that those whose job it is to enforce the law (which was put in place by those who WE ELECTED as a population) are somehow the ones to be blamed.
Ron paul, when talking about 'the police state' is not talking about our individual law enforcement officers. He's talking about the LAWS that give/will give them the ability to infringe upon our liberties. And no, that doesn't mean that they're all empty uniforms out there salivating at a chance to search your house.
But go ahead and believe it if that satisfies your need for oversimplification and sensationalism.
What does your husband do when men in blue beats someone to death?
Gets pissed off just like the rest of us. Why? What do you think he does?
Calls his fuhrer and asks permission to go spit on the body?
Travlyr
05-11-2012, 01:35 PM
Gets pissed off just like the rest of us. Why? What do you think he does?
Calls his fuhrer and asks permission to go spit on the body?I don't know your husband so I did not know what he might do. If I was wearing a uniform and badge, then I would speak out against bad cops ruining my reputation.
brushfire
05-11-2012, 01:37 PM
what would one expect from the land of lincoln
And yet your first post in this thread wasn't to condemn the police misconduct, rather it was to defend the 'good' cops like your husband.
Right - it kind of goes without saying, don't you think? If enough people comment on a thread with the same sentiments as me, I tend to not bother echoing what 10 other people have said. I personally can't stand trying to read a thread of 20 pages of people echoing eachother with nothing new to add.
It is however, I think, human nature to speak up when you see a certain person/people/idea being singled and picked on...to stand up and defend them when the accusations are unfair. Especially when nobody else is.
But I thought that would have been obvious...
I don't know your husband so I did not know what he might do. If I was wearing a uniform and badge, then I would speak out against bad cops ruining my reputation.
Are you suggesting that it doesn't happen? Believe me, it does. But for the most part, I think many just assume that people have enough critical thinking ability to realize that whoever committed the crime is an individual, and does not represent everyone else in uniform.
ETA: You don't see a ton of soldiers standing up constantly and disavowing the atrocities commited by individuals overseas. - Again, it goes without saying that the average american soldier is not like that and that they obviously do not condone it.
Anti Federalist
05-11-2012, 01:43 PM
Some of you are so silly and simple-minded to assume that those whose job it is to enforce the law (which was put in place by those who WE ELECTED as a population) are somehow the ones to be blamed.
No federal, state or local law MANDATES that cops use a heavily armed platoon of soldiers to raid the home of a man growing a naturally occurring plant for his own medicinal purposes.
Two plainclothes detectives could just as easily knocked on the door and questioned/detained him.
That said, I understand where you are coming from.
Cognitive dissonance is painful.
Travlyr
05-11-2012, 01:45 PM
Are you suggesting that it doesn't happen? Believe me, it does. But for the most part, I think many just assume that people have enough critical thinking ability to realize that whoever committed the crime is an individual, and does not represent everyone else in uniform.
They are assuming wrong. I fear the cops because they think they have the authority to grab me, tell me what to do, or detain me without a warrant. They do not have the right to handcuff, beat, or kill anyone or anyone's pet. Those are violations of Amendments IV & V.
Anti Federalist
05-11-2012, 01:45 PM
ETA: You don't see a ton of soldiers standing up constantly and disavowing the atrocities commited by individuals overseas. - Again, it goes without saying that the average american soldier is not like that and that they obviously do not condone it.
Actually, there are more.
Standing up and speaking out.
If there was not, we'd never have heard of Fallujah, or Abu Ghraib, or Pat Tillman or Jessica Lynch or Bradley Manning...
Actually, there are more.
Standing up and speaking out.
If there was not, we'd never have heard of Fallujah, or Abu Ghraib, or Pat Tillman or Jessica Lynch or Bradley Manning...
Blowing the whistle and disavowing after the fact are two completely different things.
We are talking about disavowing the act of a police officer halfway across the country...each and everytime one does something wrong because apparently the american public is too single-minded and short-sighted to be able to figure out that cops, like everyone else, are individual autonomous beings.
And it's really sad that some idiot, suicidal pyschopath with a cop complex could decide to shoot my husband over what another cop did.
Anti Federalist
05-11-2012, 01:50 PM
No. Not really. My husband is a cop, and by default I know a lot of them - very well. ALOT of them are RP supporters. Many are also preppers, farmers, self-sufficient types etc.
Why?
If it's because they are looking to the future and preparing for a coming authoritarian meltdown, then why are they serving and facilitating the system that is going to do it to them and all the rest of us as well?
Here is the thing: Tryanny. Police State. Martial Law...I get it. That's why I'm here. But of all the hundreds of thousands of cops in this country, and all of the millions of encounters they have with citizens each and every day...every week or so we hear a story like this. And suddenly, people start spouting bullshit about how all cops are evil and soul-less and brainwashed and that they are all a part of some ultimate hostile government plan.
It as an immature and rash reaction and a stereotype that is VERY dangerous to cops themselves. When you get unstable people who get all wrapped up in this way of thinking (partly because they here it over and over in places like this) Then you get angry, mentally ill people with a vendetta against the whole percieved 'system' and only one accessible target - cops.
My husband's job his dangerous enough without misguided, angry people trying to make him the poster child for government tyranny.
How do think tyranny is enforced?
Is government magik, that it can wave its hands and vaporize people?
No, in the end, at the edge of the mass grave, it happens because good men like your husband follow orders instead of listening to reason and their internal humanity.
And they comply.
And people, by tens of millions at times, die.
Anti Federalist
05-11-2012, 01:56 PM
From another thread but apropos here:
Already mentioned this on another thread, but it merits repeating. Cops make themselves a collective. ("The Brotherhood") People like the posters you're referring to are simply talking about things as they are.
Yes, exactly right.
I hope those that think I am on some kind of personal vendetta because I "hate cops" and am judging them through a "collectivist" lens, understands that.
They have joined the collective, not I, and they are the ones bonding together and acting collectively while enforcing the increasingly Draconian rules of the Regime.
As such their actions, not as individual people, but as the collective, must be judged.
Anti Federalist
05-11-2012, 02:00 PM
Blowing the whistle and disavowing after the fact are two completely different things.
We are talking about disavowing the act of a police officer halfway across the country...each and everytime one does something wrong because apparently the american public is too single-minded and short-sighted to be able to figure out that cops, like everyone else, are individual autonomous beings.
And it's really sad that some idiot, suicidal pyschopath with a cop complex could decide to shoot my husband over what another cop did.
Well, I wouldn't worry about that too much.
Statistically unlikely.
It is statistically much more likely that Mrs. AF would become widowed before your husband.
But if the concern is very grave, or if he's working in a very dangerous city, then quit.
I've walked away from a large government paycheck before.
Anybody else can too.
fisharmor
05-11-2012, 02:01 PM
No. Not really. My husband is a cop, and by default I know a lot of them - very well. ALOT of them are RP supporters. Many are also preppers, farmers, self-sufficient types etc.
Here is the thing: Tryanny. Police State. Martial Law...I get it. That's why I'm here. But of all the hundreds of thousands of cops in this country, and all of the millions of encounters they have with citizens each and every day...every week or so we hear a story like this. And suddenly, people start spouting bullshit about how all cops are evil and soul-less and brainwashed and that they are all a part of some ultimate hostile government plan.
It as an immature and rash reaction and a stereotype that is VERY dangerous to cops themselves. When you get unstable people who get all wrapped up in this way of thinking (partly because they here it over and over in places like this) Then you get angry, mentally ill people with a vendetta against the whole percieved 'system' and only one accessible target - cops.
My husband's job his dangerous enough without misguided, angry people trying to make him the poster child for government tyranny.
Have your husband put his money where his mouth is.
Have him get together with all the other good cops and put out a press release.
Of course, none of us expect your livelihood to be damaged by this.
:rolleyes:
fisharmor
05-11-2012, 02:03 PM
Some of you are so silly and simple-minded to assume that those whose job it is to enforce the law (which was put in place by those who WE ELECTED as a population) are somehow the ones to be blamed.
Has your husband ever let someone go with a warning?
If so, he has failed to accomplish the thing you claim is his job and should be removed.
Enforcing the law happens not to be his job.
Where do you think Tyranny originates?
What about our politicians?
Have they joined a collective against us?
Where does that leave Ron Paul?
Oh I see. it's okay to make exceptions everywhere else. But not when it comes to cops. No, they all joined a power-hungry fraternity of tyranny for the same reason. To TERRORIZE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
Or maybe a lot of them (like many of us) just really like guns.
And adventure. And weren't cut out for a desk job and like the independence that comes with the job. Or had a family history of law enforcement. Or like driving around all day and chatting with people. Like ***GASP*** helping people.
Nope. You're right. They all just want to taze people, search through your cars and eat kittens for breakfast.
phill4paul
05-11-2012, 02:07 PM
It is however, I think, human nature to speak up when you see a certain person/people/idea being singled and picked on...to stand up and defend them when the accusations are unfair. Especially when nobody else is.
I do this. It usually involves citizens that have seen the abuse of police misconduct. Rarely, do I see a police officer abused by the general public, the courts taking the general publics word that no abuse ever took place over the officers word and the officer get arrested for being 'disorderly' after their beat down.
Well, I wouldn't worry about that too much.
Statistically unlikely.
It is statistically much more likely that Mrs. AF would become widowed before your husband.
But if the concern is very grave, or if he's working in a very dangerous city, then quit.
I've walked away from a large government paycheck before.
Anybody else can too.
He's a deputy in a county with a small-medium sized city and with all of the suicide calls they get, I'd say about 30 percent of them involve someone who has also said they want to take a cop out with them.
To say it's not likely is a bad argument - my point is that you are among those making it more and more likely every day by spreading the rhetoric that fuels it.
kcchiefs6465
05-11-2012, 02:10 PM
No. Not really. My husband is a cop, and by default I know a lot of them - very well. ALOT of them are RP supporters. Many are also preppers, farmers, self-sufficient types etc.
Here is the thing: Tryanny. Police State. Martial Law...I get it. That's why I'm here. But of all the hundreds of thousands of cops in this country, and all of the millions of encounters they have with citizens each and every day...every week or so we hear a story like this. And suddenly, people start spouting bullshit about how all cops are evil and soul-less and brainwashed and that they are all a part of some ultimate hostile government plan. It as an immature and rash reaction and a stereotype that is VERY dangerous to cops themselves. When you get unstable people who get all wrapped up in this way of thinking (partly because they here it over and over in places like this) Then you get angry, mentally ill people with a vendetta against the whole percieved 'system' and only one accessible target - cops.
My husband's job his dangerous enough without misguided, angry people trying to make him the poster child for government tyranny.
I do not know your husband personally, so I would never go so far as evil, soul-less, or brainwashed based on his profession. Of what I have experienced and seen first hand, small town police forces seem to be more in touch with the community that they are sworn to protect. In my encounters with L.E., though I've never once been convicted of a crime, (for some background) they are overwhelmingly corrupt. It is the system that breeds this. Now I don't mean corrupt as every cop goes around and kicks pregnant women. I mean corrupt as in the five supervisors seeing this as a proper use of force. It is this system I am opposed to.
Of course, no one here is advocating violence. The majority of people are reasonable and well-intentioned. I would like to see cops get the same treatment as an average citizen. When a group of cops viciously beats a man to death, for example, why are only two charged with voluntary manslaughter? There is never any justice for those who have been on the other end of the stick. Including for me. So while I won't waste time describing my stories, that are so incredible, people just assume I was in the wrong, I will leave you videos of two police officers I have encountered. Wish I had videos of the others, however none have surfaced and they are still on the job. One promoted to Chief of Police, another one to Lieutenant. (Not these specific cops)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFH9kmKZX_o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kassP7zI0qc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kUpLZ7gYzg
Please watch these videos. This is a daily occurence in Northeast Ohio. These are the only videos to surface.
ETA: 4:00 minute mark of last video. Please watch. ("I'll shoot you dead tonight... I'll put you in a grave and justify in court by saying you went for my gun") These are the kind of cops I put up with day in and day out
I do this. It usually involves citizens that have seen the abuse of police misconduct. Rarely, do I see a police officer abused by the general public, the courts taking the general publics word that no abuse ever took place over the officers word and the officer get arrested for being 'disorderly' after their beat down.
The abuse happens in places like this, which is why I spoke up.
Have your husband put his money where his mouth is.
Have him get together with all the other good cops and put out a press release.
Of course, none of us expect your livelihood to be damaged by this.
:rolleyes:
For this particular incident? Really? A press release? How much power do you people really think a cop has!? I'll have my husband call his contacts at WCCO right away. :rolleyes:I'm sure they're just dying to hear what few po-dunk sheriffs deputies think about an incident that happened thousands of miles away and which didn't even make the national news.
Even if that were logistically possible, shall we at the RPF do this as well? Every time someone from the RP camp does something embarrassing?
phill4paul
05-11-2012, 02:18 PM
The abuse happens in places like this, which is why I spoke up.
Feel free to link ALL the news articles in which these officers have suffered a beat down, death or destruction of property in which the perpetrator was let off with a letter of reprimand and/or a promotion.
phill4paul
05-11-2012, 02:21 PM
How much power do you people really think a cop has!?
Enough to kill, beat, taser and destroy property with relative impunity while standing behind the blue line.
No. Not really. My husband is a cop, and by default I know a lot of them - very well. ALOT of them are RP supporters. Many are also preppers, farmers, self-sufficient types etc.
Here is the thing: Tryanny. Police State. Martial Law...I get it. That's why I'm here. But of all the hundreds of thousands of cops in this country, and all of the millions of encounters they have with citizens each and every day...every week or so we hear a story like this. And suddenly, people start spouting bullshit about how all cops are evil and soul-less and brainwashed and that they are all a part of some ultimate hostile government plan.
It as an immature and rash reaction and a stereotype that is VERY dangerous to cops themselves. When you get unstable people who get all wrapped up in this way of thinking (partly because they here it over and over in places like this) Then you get angry, mentally ill people with a vendetta against the whole percieved 'system' and only one accessible target - cops.
My husband's job his dangerous enough without misguided, angry people trying to make him the poster child for government tyranny.
It's OK ... Someone here stated they celebrate when a cop gets shot.
But I'm sure it's not an impression anyone would take away from this forum.
Wow. You're right. I had no personality, belief system, or principles until the day I met my husband 8 years ago. I forgot that I forefited my identity, right to opinion and insight the day I married my husband and turned my soul over to the NWO via the US Government via the local sherriffs department via my wedding ring.
Gee I forgot all about that. Shoot.
Why am I here again???Good impressions are hard to find.
aGameOfThrones
05-11-2012, 02:32 PM
INB4 the apologists.
I do not know your husband personally, so I would never go so far as evil, soul-less, or brainwashed based on his profession. Of what I have experienced and seen first hand, small town police forces seem to be more in touch with the community that they are sworn to protect. In my encounters with L.E., though I've never once been convicted of a crime, (for some background) they are overwhelmingly corrupt. It is the system that breeds this. Now I don't mean corrupt as every cop goes around and kicks pregnant women. I mean corrupt as in the five supervisors seeing this as a proper use of force. It is this system I am opposed to.
Of course, no one here is advocating violence. The majority of people are reasonable and well-intentioned. I would like to see cops get the same treatment as an average citizen. When a group of cops viciously beats a man to death, for example, why are only two charged with voluntary manslaughter? There is never any justice for those who have been on the other end of the stick. Including for me. So while I won't waste time describing my stories, that are so incredible, people just assume I was in the wrong, I will leave you videos of two police officers I have encountered. Wish I had videos of the others, however none have surfaced and they are still on the job. One promoted to Chief of Police, another one to Lieutenant. (Not these specific cops)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFH9kmKZX_o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kassP7zI0qc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kUpLZ7gYzg
Please watch these videos. This is a daily occurence in Northeast Ohio. These are the only videos to surface.
ETA: 4:00 minute mark of last video. Please watch. ("I'll shoot you dead tonight... I'll put you in a grave and justify in court by saying you went for my gun") These are the kind of cops I put up with day in and day out
I'm not going to weigh in on your particular videos - I'm not saying cops don't do bad things. But for the record, for every video there is proving that a cop was in the wrong, there is another which proves the defendent is completely fabricating the scenario.
Examples?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blhy1eQOjZQ
You can give me a hundred videos of bad things cops have done. I can tell you a hundred good things my husband and other cops I know have done. Unfortunately, things like 'twenty minutes of patiently enduring hateful and diguisting personal attacks from a coked-up drunk driver in your back seat'... or 'Spending 20 minutes checking out the house of the crazy, paranoid old lady who calls in a possible break-in every week simply because she's lonely'... or 'saving a dog from a frozen lake' don't make the news much. Or giving your life to save someone elses...
It's a ridiculous debate, and that's because you can't lump an entire population of people into one little pigeonhole like that. It feels good, and it's neat and tidy, but's ultimately wrong.
I would however, if the cops are that bad locally, consider trying to do something about it and rally some people together. If they're really that bad then you shouldn't have much trouble getting a coalition together.
heavenlyboy34
05-11-2012, 02:44 PM
Some of you are so silly and simple-minded to assume that those whose job it is to enforce the law (which was put in place by those who WE ELECTED as a population) are somehow the ones to be blamed.
Ron paul, when talking about 'the police state' is not talking about our individual law enforcement officers. He's talking about the LAWS that give/will give them the ability to infringe upon our liberties. And no, that doesn't mean that they're all empty uniforms out there salivating at a chance to search your house.
But go ahead and believe it if that satisfies your need for oversimplification and sensationalism.
Simple minded? :rolleyes: Most of us who oppose police in general have done our research. AF can link you to loads of literature on this subject. Did you know that courts at every level have held that the cops have NO obligation to "protect and serve" whatsoever? AF-this may be a good educational opportunity-repost the "never talk to cops" series.
fisharmor
05-11-2012, 02:48 PM
He's a deputy in a county with a small-medium sized city and with all of the suicide calls they get, I'd say about 30 percent of them involve someone who has also said they want to take a cop out with them.
To say it's not likely is a bad argument - my point is that you are among those making it more and more likely every day by spreading the rhetoric that fuels it.
So, you're married to a cop, in a small-medium city that gets a lot of "suicide" calls.
Uh-huh.
And those "suicide" calls involve "wanting to take out a cop too".
And you're married to a cop.
And friends with lots of cops.
And they tell you all about this, I assume.
Uh-huh.
I do not know your husband personally, so I would never go so far as evil, soul-less, or brainwashed based on his profession. Of what I have experienced and seen first hand, small town police forces seem to be more in touch with the community that they are sworn to protect.
I was pulled over a couple weeks ago by the single cop in Occoquan, VA, whose existence is completely superfluous as there is already a county police force and sherriff's department.
He pulled me over for failing to count to three at a stop sign.
Now, he's one of the "good" ones who drives around on Halloween making sure the kids are safe and handing out candy from his cruiser.
He told me, unequivocally, that he doesn't care how I drive or what I do outside Occoquan.
Just don't do it in Occoquan.
He's one of the "good" cops, and the whole exercise, besides being completely unnecessary (nobody died yet from not counting to three at a stop), was about nothing more than wagging his dick in my face.
I totally reject the "small town cop" idea.
For this particular incident? Really? A press release? How much power do you people really think a cop has!? I'll have my husband call his contacts at WCCO right away. :rolleyes:I'm sure they're just dying to hear what few po-dunk sheriffs deputies think about an incident that happened thousands of miles away and which didn't even make the national news.
Even if that were logistically possible, shall we at the RPF do this as well? Every time someone from the RP camp does something embarrassing?
Be as sarcastic as you want.
I know the real reason he's not going to do it.
Your livelihood will be in danger the second he does something like that.
You can try to pretend that's not the case, but we have case history that shows otherwise.
If he spoke out, he'd get targeted.
And you'd find out in an instant exactly what law enforcement officers are made of.
Enough to kill, beat, taser and destroy property with relative impunity while standing behind the blue line.
Would have been better had you answered the question in context rather than cut and past for the sake of spouting rhetoric.
I've already recognized that this happens. We're not arguing whether corruption exists are we? I thought we were discussing whether or not that fact warrants a complete and pure hatred for every man and woman that wears the uniform...whether or not they gave up their right to an individutal, human identity the moment they picked up a badge and a gun.
At least, that's the sentiment I originally addressed.
fisharmor
05-11-2012, 02:50 PM
I would however, if the cops are that bad locally, consider trying to do something about it and rally some people together. If they're really that bad then you shouldn't have much trouble getting a coalition together.
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2012/04/how-to-become-stalker-in-oregon.html
kcchiefs6465
05-11-2012, 02:51 PM
I'm not going to weigh in on your particular videos - I'm not saying cops don't do bad things. But for the record, for every video there is proving that a cop was in the wrong, there is another which proves the defendent is completely fabricating the scenario.
Examples?
You can give me a hundred videos of bad things cops have done. I can tell you a hundred good things my husband and other cops I know have done. Unfortunately, things like 'twenty minutes of patiently enduring hateful and diguisting personal attacks from a coked-up drunk driver in your back seat'... or 'Spending 20 minutes checking out the house of the crazy, paranoid old lady who calls in a possible break-in every week simply because she's lonely'... or 'saving a dog from a frozen lake' don't make the news much. Or giving your life to save someone elses...
It's a ridiculous debate, and that's because you can't lump an entire population of people into one little pigeonhole like that. It feels good, and it's neat and tidy, but's ultimately wrong.
I would however, if the cops are that bad locally, consider trying to do something about it and rally some people together. If they're really that bad then you shouldn't have much trouble getting a coalition together.
These are cops I have had personal encounters with. I didn't just go to youtube and find police abuse. Quite surprisingly the officer in the second and third video was fired. Though he very well could be rehired by now. And yes, he threatened to execute me too. (As well as a lot more, but I don't want to get off track; long story) The dashcams in my lawsuit against the city were all but one "malfunctioning." The one that worked was of a cop who showed up twenty minutes after the initial traffic stop. After having charges filed against me (fictitious charges I might add) the city agreed that if I stopped pressing my lawsuit they would drop the charges. I was young and dumb and agreed.
Everyone in Canton knows how the P.D. is. The problem is no one cares until it happens to them. Thank god the N.R.A. stepped in because of CCW rights violations, or the second and third videos would have never "happened." You have your hundreds of personal experiences and stories with good cops, I have my hundreds of personal experiences and stories with bad cops. The problem is: you seem to have never met a bad cop, and I have never met a good cop. So perhaps we are both as biased, in respect to our positions?
[QUOTE=fisharmor;4416468]So, you're married to a cop, in a small-medium city that gets a lot of "suicide" calls.
Uh-huh.
And those "suicide" calls involve "wanting to take out a cop too".
And you're married to a cop.
And friends with lots of cops.
And they tell you all about this, I assume.
Uh-huh.
QUOTE]
At least once a month they get a suicide call. More in the winter (it is MN after all) It's also in the papers, I could dredge up records if I cared enough about your doubts to address them more thoroughly. And yes, very often the officers are given the information that the person has a particular hatred for cops or that they have outright stated -upon being told that a family member has called the police - that they'd be glad to take a few 'pigs' out with them.
I'm not making this stuff up. If it weren't true then I wouldn't even bother addressing it...I'm stingy with my time as a general rule.
phill4paul
05-11-2012, 02:55 PM
I can tell you a hundred good things my husband and other cops I know have done. Unfortunately, things like 'twenty minutes of patiently enduring hateful and diguisting personal attacks from a coked-up drunk driver in your back seat'...
The horror! :eek:
or 'Spending 20 minutes checking out the house of the crazy, paranoid old lady who calls in a possible break-in every week simply because she's lonely'...
OMG! He gets paid to put up with that? He should quit or ask for more pay!
or 'saving a dog from a frozen lake'
I once helped a dog off a busy highway. Didn't get paid for it though.
Or giving your life to save someone elses...
Civilians do this on a daily basis as well.
fisharmor
05-11-2012, 02:55 PM
You have your hundreds of personal experiences and stories with good cops, I have my hundreds of personal experiences and stories with bad cops. The problem is: you seem to have never met a bad cop, and I have never met a good cop. So perhaps we are both as biased, in respect to our positions?
As I hinted, I've met "good" cops.
We have differing views on what "good" means.
Of course, if I show in any way that I don't like what their concept of "good" means, I am likely to get a nightstick shampoo.
Travlyr
05-11-2012, 02:56 PM
Every time someone from the RP camp does something embarrassing?
Cops are getting away with murder, stealing (fines & 'drug' money confiscation), harassing and beating good honest citizens. That is not embarrassing ... that is criminal, and cops never pay for their crime like the rest of us have to.
Be as sarcastic as you want.
I know the real reason he's not going to do it.
Your livelihood will be in danger the second he does something like that.
You can try to pretend that's not the case, but we have case history that shows otherwise.
If he spoke out, he'd get targeted.
And you'd find out in an instant exactly what law enforcement officers are made of.
Not really. I make 70% of our income if you don't include his military pay. Our county's deputies make chump change compared to the average income. He could make more working for my dad's construction company.
No the real reason is it's not practical, and no one ultimately gives a shit what a few nobody-cops have to say about an issue.
jmdrake
05-11-2012, 03:00 PM
For the record, I'm not mad at the good cops. I'm mad at the system the fires good cops when they actively resist bad cops beating someone up. I'm mad at the system that, after seeing video 4 to 6 cops beating a homeless man to death, assumes there's only enough "evidence" to charge 2 of them. I'm at at the system that doesn't even give this the proper attention it deserves because it doesn't fit into the narrative the system is trying to push at the moment. I applaud cops who join oathkeepers. Anyhow, we've got a lot of work to do. We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers and spiritual wickedness in high places....and low places as well.
Simple minded? :rolleyes: Most of us who oppose police in general have done our research. AF can link you to loads of literature on this subject. Did you know that courts at every level have held that the cops have NO obligation to "protect and serve" whatsoever? AF-this may be a good educational opportunity-repost the "never talk to cops" series.
To take the actions of a few and assign responsiblity to hundreds of thousands who were not there and have no association other than a shared job description is simple-minded. period. Not accusing anyone of BEING simple-minded, but I AM accusing the logic used here of being so.
The horror! :eek:
OMG! He gets paid to put up with that? He should quit or ask for more pay!
I once helped a dog off a busy highway. Didn't get paid for it though.
Civilians do this on a daily basis as well.
I never asked for sympathy for him. I was simply illustrating the fact that in our sensationalized media culture, only those which shock and anger make the news, and if you hear enough about it you tend to think it is the norm. I was explaining what the norm ACTUALLY IS for most cops.
Civilians do this on a daily basis as well And when civilians do it, they're called heroes. When cops do it, well, nobody knows because they're too busy bitching about the one who was taser happy on youtube.
kcchiefs6465
05-11-2012, 03:06 PM
I was pulled over a couple weeks ago by the single cop in Occoquan, VA, whose existence is completely superfluous as there is already a county police force and sherriff's department.
He pulled me over for failing to count to three at a stop sign.
Now, he's one of the "good" ones who drives around on Halloween making sure the kids are safe and handing out candy from his cruiser.
He told me, unequivocally, that he doesn't care how I drive or what I do outside Occoquan.
Just don't do it in Occoquan.
He's one of the "good" cops, and the whole exercise, besides being completely unnecessary (nobody died yet from not counting to three at a stop), was about nothing more than wagging his dick in my face.
I totally reject the "small town cop" idea.
My "small town cop" theory was just of what I have heard. I have only lived in relatively medium-large urban areas, during which I have never had a "good" encounter with L.E. to speak of. I was more or less assuming that a small town sheriff- one answering to the local people, known on a first-name basis, would be more considerate to local folk than those answering only to their superiors. Of course this doesn't neccessarily apply to those who happen through "their" town. Whether that be at the request of the locals, or whether they take it upon themselves. And to be frank, of my "usual" encounters with L.E. your's would be considered "good." Not good in the sense of, "this is America." But good in the sense of, they didn't rob you, throw you in the mud, rip your car to pieces, etc. And yes, sounds extreme, but this is what usually happens to me.
phill4paul
05-11-2012, 03:20 PM
I never asked for sympathy for him. I was simply illustrating the fact that in our sensationalized media culture, only those which shock and anger make the news, and if you hear enough about it you tend to think it is the norm. I was explaining what the norm ACTUALLY IS for most cops.
And when civilians do it, they're called heros for them. When cops do it, well, nobody knows because they're too busy bitching about the one who was tazer happy on youtube.
No. At least a DOZEN instances of police abuse daily in the United States. And usually localized reporting that if individuals did not pay attention would easily slide under the radar in the scope of things. Now, for every One of these daily reportings I would say a safe bet would be that there is a TEN FOLD increase to those that for reasons (threats, intimidation, lack of legal representation, media not really caring unless they can sensationalize) do NOT report abuse. So I'll just estimate an easy 44,000 cases of police misconduct a year. Hardly a small figure. Honestly, at the lowest figure of 4,400 a year I would say that there is a MAJOR problem.
For the record, I'm not mad at the good cops. I'm mad at the system the fires good cops when they actively resist bad cops beating someone up. I'm mad at the system that, after seeing video 4 to 6 cops beating a homeless man to death, assumes there's only enough "evidence" to charge 2 of them. I'm at at the system that doesn't even give this the proper attention it deserves because it doesn't fit into the narrative the system is trying to push at the moment. I applaud cops who join oathkeepers. Anyhow, we've got a lot of work to do. We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers and spiritual wickedness in high places....and low places as well.
Cheers to that.
I just want to make sure people don't conjure up imagined foes where they really had a friend. When you meet a cop, give him the benefit of the doubt. If he gives you the same, and neither of you are walking into the situation with preconcieved notions about the other then it'll probably be a pleasant exchange. You never know - it could be another RP supporter and a friend of liberty.
However, if he or she turns out to be a power-hungry thug, then obviously that individual does not deserve your respect and you should react accordingly.
That's all.
And this concludes a my highly unproductive afternoon at work. Happy Friday. I'm out. ;-)
Henry Rogue
05-11-2012, 03:33 PM
I’m a fan of AF, he fights the good fight. These threads get me worked up like no other. I’m not a fan of punishment enhancers. For example increasing the penalty for hate crimes, Many crimes involve some form of emotion. I think it leads to targeting specific groups. Justice is supposed to be blind and generally liberty minded people don’t like to put people into groups, I think. So, I wonder what do You all think about a punishment enhancer aimed at law enforcers who break the law. After all they should be held to a higher standard. They certainly have more privileges than the rest of us. With power comes responsibility. “Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” Lord Acton. However I also believe the fewer laws the better. What unexpected consequences may come of this law? They already enjoy much immunity from the law. Perhaps there would be even less convictions of criminal law enforcers than already exists. Clearly this would be targeting a group.
Anti Federalist
05-11-2012, 04:15 PM
To say it's not likely is a bad argument - my point is that you are among those making it more and more likely every day by spreading the rhetoric that fuels it.
So, I'm going to be held responsible if someone decides that they are not going to be arrested today and kills your husband, because I post stories and bring awareness as to how likely you are to be abused/hurt/killed/falsely imprisoned by a "law enforcement officer"?
And the solution is to, what, exactly?
Shut up?
Cease posting these stories that seem to have so many people worked up?
Maybe if your husband's "brothers in blue" ceased acting the way the do and came down from the war footing, maybe that would be less likely.
But I have given it some thought before, you might be surprised to find out.
I still sleep OK at night.
The comparison would be to have a "terror attack" blamed on Ron or Rand because they refused to sign the PATRIOT Act.
It's a false tautology.
Anti Federalist
05-11-2012, 04:17 PM
I never asked for sympathy for him. I was simply illustrating the fact that in our sensationalized media culture, only those which shock and anger make the news, and if you hear enough about it you tend to think it is the norm. I was explaining what the norm ACTUALLY IS for most cops.
Civilians do this on a daily basis as well And when civilians do it, they're called heroes. When cops do it, well, nobody knows because they're too busy bitching about the one who was taser happy on youtube.
Umm, your husband is as much a "civilian" as the rest of us.
He is not a member of an occupying army or active military.
Anti Federalist
05-11-2012, 04:21 PM
And somebody else remarked that "Well all politicians are not evil because Ron is there".
Ron Paul is to Congress what Frank Serpico is to the NYPD.
And for you youngsters who may not know who Frank Serpico is, go read up on him.
You'll be impressed.
So, I'm going to be held responsible if someone decides that they are not going to be arrested today and kills your husband, because I post stories and bring awareness as to how likely you are to be abused/hurt/killed/falsely imprisoned by a "law enforcement officer"?
And the solution is to, what, exactly?
Shut up?
Cease posting these stories that seem to have so many people worked up?
Maybe if your husband's "brothers in blue" ceased acting the way the do and came down from the war footing, maybe that would be less likely.
But I have given it some thought before, you might be surprised to find out.
I still sleep OK at night.
The comparison would be to have a "terror attack" blamed on Ron or Rand because they refused to sign the PATRIOT Act.
It's a false tautology.Maybe if you took a moment to think about how your posts affect others, especially new members, you'd reconsider tossing your hatred around so easily.
And don't say it's not hatred ... You've already admitted that you need to change your lifestyle, and hey ... That's probably why you have received, as you put it ... A wood broom shampoo.
A fine representation of the Ron Paul movement, you are ... That's what I've been saying, and will continue to say, as you and our little gang represent the political section of this forum.
Obviously the forum moderators don't care what kind of image you portray, as a long standing member of this forum, and thus a long standing supporter of Ron Paul ... So knock yourself, and Ron out :(
Travlyr
05-11-2012, 05:06 PM
Maybe if you took a moment to think about how your posts affect others, especially new members, you'd reconsider tossing your hatred around so easily.
And don't say it's not hatred ... You've already admitted that you need to change your lifestyle, and hey ... That's probably why you have received, as you put it ... A wood broom shampoo.
A fine representation of the Ron Paul movement, you are ... That's what I've been saying, and will continue to say, as you and our little gang represent the political section of this forum.
Obviously the forum moderators don't care what kind of image you portray, as a long standing member of this forum, and thus a long standing supporter of Ron Paul ... So knock yourself, and Ron out :(
You completely miss the compassion AF and others demonstrate in these threads. Most of us don't want to continue living in a violent world of oppression. Tyranny is not liberty. War is not peace.
Kluge
05-11-2012, 05:08 PM
Maybe if you took a moment to think about how your posts affect others, especially new members, you'd reconsider tossing your hatred around so easily.
And don't say it's not hatred ... You've already admitted that you need to change your lifestyle, and hey ... That's probably why you have received, as you put it ... A wood broom shampoo.
A fine representation of the Ron Paul movement, you are ... That's what I've been saying, and will continue to say, as you and our little gang represent the political section of this forum.
Obviously the forum moderators don't care what kind of image you portray, as a long standing member of this forum, and thus a long standing supporter of Ron Paul ... So knock yourself, and Ron out :(
I can't speak for AF in regards to his feelings, but what you promote is ignorance and cowardice.
phill4paul
05-11-2012, 05:15 PM
Maybe if you took a moment to think about how your posts affect others, especially new members, you'd reconsider tossing your hatred around so easily.
And don't say it's not hatred ... You've already admitted that you need to change your lifestyle, and hey ... That's probably why you have received, as you put it ... A wood broom shampoo.
A fine representation of the Ron Paul movement, you are ... That's what I've been saying, and will continue to say, as you and our little gang represent the political section of this forum.
Obviously the forum moderators don't care what kind of image you portray, as a long standing member of this forum, and thus a long standing supporter of Ron Paul ... So knock yourself, and Ron out :(
AF is the VERY representation of the Liberty movement. We are not about 'going along to get along.' That time has passed. You're right that his posts have affected some new members. It has caused them to open their eyes to the militarization of local police forces by the federal government. Something you still have a problem accepting.
Quit with the "You are costing Ron Paul the primary" bullshit. It's over played and misplaced.
JK/SEA
05-11-2012, 05:18 PM
Damn, yeah, the question is should these 'mis-deeds' by roided up thugs with badges be swept under the carpet because it 'offends' some in the cop family, or should we keep shining the light on these cockroaches with guns who have the fuckin' union backing them up and getting them off?....
I'm a retired baker, and in my union if someone kept screwing up by ruining product and causing mayhem, he/she was usually given a 3 step discipline..verbal warnings, 3 days off without pay, 7 days (at this point the union stepped in and decided 7 days or termination.) usually it was bye bye at this point depending on attendance.
In Washington States constitution, if a cop kills someone and its challenged it was murder, the code says it must be proven it was malicious intent. The indian carver murder in Seattle was challenged, but the prosecutor used the code. Cop was fired, but received no other punishment for killing an Indian on a public sidewalk. Research this incident for yourself.
Odds are this cop is already on the beat in some other town.
Poor babies are being exposed for following a fanatic.
phill4paul
05-11-2012, 06:27 PM
Poor babies are being exposed for following a fanatic.
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/20307886.jpg
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/20307886.jpgI kind of like the aspect that is now being portrayed ... Shoot a cop is supporting RP, How ?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?376003-CA-DHS-Fed-cops-raid-house-light-the-place-up-and-shoot-each-other-and-kill-the-dog.&p=4416925&viewfull=1#post4416925
JK/SEA
05-11-2012, 07:41 PM
I kind of like the aspect that is now being portrayed ... Shoot a cop is supporting RP, How ?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?376003-CA-DHS-Fed-cops-raid-house-light-the-place-up-and-shoot-each-other-and-kill-the-dog.&p=4416925&viewfull=1#post4416925
when? when is a good time to shoot a cop?...you seem obsessed with shooting cops. Also, should cops involved in a shooting be automatically subjected to drug tests? if no, why? and do you say tomato or tomata?
Pericles
05-11-2012, 07:45 PM
Cheers to that.
I just want to make sure people don't conjure up imagined foes where they really had a friend. When you meet a cop, give him the benefit of the doubt. If he gives you the same, and neither of you are walking into the situation with preconcieved notions about the other then it'll probably be a pleasant exchange. You never know - it could be another RP supporter and a friend of liberty.
However, if he or she turns out to be a power-hungry thug, then obviously that individual does not deserve your respect and you should react accordingly.
That's all.
And this concludes a my highly unproductive afternoon at work. Happy Friday. I'm out. ;-)
Not that anybody appointed me to speak for the group, and at least one will object, but if there is a message from this forum to the current members of the military and law enforcement, it is this:
CHOOSE THIS DAY WHOM YOU WILL SERVE From elsewhere on the NET:
Because here’s the essential thing: you, ALL OF YOU, took an oath to, among other things, “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” You swore that, the overwhelming majority of you, to God. Did you think that oath had a shelf life? Do you think that now that you have by your reckoning faithfully upheld that oath for, say, twenty years now that tomorrow it is okay to forget it? You swore, whether you realized it at the time or not, an OATH, before GOD, and it was a LIFETIME oath.
While you are looking in the mirror, evaluate your career based upon that oath. It was not to a man, or an administration, or a political party but to an idea -- the idea of ordered liberty as codified in the Constitution of the United States of America. So ask yourself, did you or did you not intend to faithfully uphold that oath? Because the answer to that question is going to become very important very quickly as this politically divided and morally fractured society continues to spin out of control.
..............
What will happen when we are faced, God forbid, with some dislocating national disaster -- natural or man-made -- that makes Katrina look like a kindergarten playground? Now, even if you intend to run off like some New Orleans policemen did, to see to the safety of their families rather than keep order in the city, you are still going to need the cooperation of the armed citizenry in your home neighborhood to protect your family.
You -- ALL of you -- law enforcement officers, will then need us, the armed citizenry -- ALL of us willing and competent to muster -- to defend public order against the tide of chaos represented by five or ten million gang members and the tens of millions of panicked unprepared refugees or opportunistic criminals left unrestrained by a breakdown.
Do you seriously think that federal police, all 150,000 of them, will actually help you in that event, beyond issuing orders that they will not be personally endangered with carrying out?
You will then be on your own, and you will have us. At least those of you will who have the sense to plan now to make that happen in the event.
You might start by remembering your oaths, by beginning to trust us, by refusing to engage in petty harrassments of CCW permit holders and by strengthening your department’s auxiliary program (or starting one if you do not have one).
But first and foremost you must quit looking at and treating the law-abiding armed citizenry of the United States as the enemy. For if you don’t, we certainly will be.
Convince us by your actions that you are no better than the gangs who commit crimes without uniforms and we will treat you similarly. And there ain’t nearly enough of you to shove us around in a real national emergency.
Remember, Americans are nothing if not a practical people. We're predisposed to help and support you. Please, take our hand when it is offered, BEFORE it is needed.
When the Iron Curtain fell, the East German Army stayed in the barracks, and sided with the people of the country. Do you have at least as much moral character as the Nationalvolksarmee?
YEP ... Got a capture of hating our military (killers), also ... Great job RP supporters /sarcasm
phill4paul
05-11-2012, 07:51 PM
I kind of like the aspect that is now being portrayed ... Shoot a cop is supporting RP, How ?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?376003-CA-DHS-Fed-cops-raid-house-light-the-place-up-and-shoot-each-other-and-kill-the-dog.&p=4416925&viewfull=1#post4416925
Got your fishing line out in all of AF's threads don't ya?
Travlyr
05-11-2012, 07:54 PM
Yeah, we are trying to promote peace and non-violence around here. Kelly Thomas is just as important as anyone else. He had a right to life as described in the 5th Amendment. He was unable to defend his right against brutal killers. The fact that they were wearing blue uniforms and badges is quite troubling.
tod evans
05-11-2012, 08:01 PM
Yeah, we are trying to promote peace and non-violence around here. Kelly Thomas is just as important as anyone else. He had a right to life as described in the 5th Amendment. He was unable to defend his right against brutal killers. The fact that they were wearing blue uniforms and badges is quite troubling.
Aw come on man....I'd entertain dueling in the right circumstances and that's kinda violent.
Gotta wonder if Kelly Thomas's father would welcome the opportunity to have his Second deliver a challenge to the spineless cops who were present while his son was beaten to death but weren't indicted...
JK/SEA
05-11-2012, 08:04 PM
Notice how this troll never answers questions...?
Kluge
05-11-2012, 08:05 PM
Notice how this troll never answers questions...?
It ain't natural, man.
heavenlyboy34
05-11-2012, 08:42 PM
Notice how this troll never answers questions...?
lol, yep. I almost took the time to respond to his last jab at me...but it's feeling like talking to a box of rocks. :p
Anti Federalist
05-11-2012, 11:05 PM
Poor babies are being exposed for following a fanatic.
Good God, nobody is "following me around", I have no "clique" nor "cheering section".
Do you have some personal reason that you want to see me criticized? Or do you think nobody would? Shit, let me put up a "trade protection" thread and you'll see how fast your idea falls apart.
People here are intelligent and liberty minded and not liable to "led" anywhere, least of all by the likes of me, since I do not like the concept of being "led" myself.
There is an old adage about how a slave boy of Socrates was able to work out the math of the pons asinorum with a stick in the sand.
A self evident fact needs little exposure to be realized by a swift thinking individual.
kcchiefs6465
05-11-2012, 11:49 PM
Notice how this troll never answers questions...?
Even when a legitimate question is raised; nothing. But let you ask what, "unsubscribe" means and moments later, BAM! Should call him the Emeril of picture posting.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?375149-Tasers-No-Longer-a-Non-Lethal-Alternative-for-Law-Enforcement&highlight=tasers+considered
ETA: In fact it only took one minute, what are the odds of that? :rolleyes:
Czolgosz
05-12-2012, 03:28 AM
Good God, nobody is "following me around", I have no "clique" nor "cheering section".
Do you have some personal reason that you want to see me criticized? Or do you think nobody would? Shit, let me put up a "trade protection" thread and you'll see how fast your idea falls apart.
People here are intelligent and liberty minded and not liable to "led" anywhere, least of all by the likes of me, since I do not like the concept of being "led" myself.
There is an old adage about how a slave boy of Socrates was able to work out the math of the pons asinorum with a stick in the sand.
A self evident fact needs little exposure to be realized by a swift thinking individual.
I'll criticize you.
You're easily trolled.
:D
Kluge
05-12-2012, 05:08 AM
Good God, nobody is "following me around", I have no "clique" nor "cheering section".
Do you have some personal reason that you want to see me criticized? Or do you think nobody would? Shit, let me put up a "trade protection" thread and you'll see how fast your idea falls apart.
People here are intelligent and liberty minded and not liable to "led" anywhere, least of all by the likes of me, since I do not like the concept of being "led" myself.
There is an old adage about how a slave boy of Socrates was able to work out the math of the pons asinorum with a stick in the sand.
A self evident fact needs little exposure to be realized by a swift thinking individual.
It is pretty funny to think that that's the case. I've been here for what? Five years? I think we've had at it on several subjects, and while I respect you, if this azxd weasel thinks I'd run amok killing anyone because of something you said, he's loonier than I thought. The few "followers" that we had mostly jumped ship in 2008 after Obama won.
In a way though, maybe it's good that he's here, as he makes a few things obvious.
It is pretty funny to think that that's the case. I've been here for what? Five years? I think we've had at it on several subjects, and while I respect you, if this azxd weasel thinks I'd run amok killing anyone because of something you said, he's loonier than I thought. The few "followers" that we had mostly jumped ship in 2008 after Obama won.
In a way though, maybe it's good that he's here, as he makes a few things obvious.Fixation, perhaps.
Captain Shays
05-12-2012, 08:06 AM
Kicking a pregnant woman in the stomach is a 'pre-emptive' strike. Who knows what kind of delinquent that kid could have grown up to have been. Thank goodness we have law enforcement. It's posts like these that keep Ron Paul from winning the nomination. This post should be moved to the 'batshit crazy' subforum for even questioning the practices of our Law Enforcement community.
Dude. I hope you're being sarcastic
Captain Shays
05-12-2012, 08:09 AM
Police brutality and abuses by other government organizations such as department of family and children services (which ranks up there with the police in abuse of the people) should rightfully be a focus for those who give a care about liberty. It is petty tyrants who get in to these occupations and terrorize others while enjoying legal protection from what the rest of society would be prosecuted to the max for committing. So the more you or others squeal about these types of threads the more I hope people like AF, who have the fortitude to wade through these types of articles, will post them to make people aware of the little guy who gets beat up everyday by these filthy, evil sort of power drunk jerks.
WOW. That pretty much sums it up
Captain Shays
05-12-2012, 08:11 AM
So what you're really saying is, that it will be fine to add to this level, and turn the entire section into police-watch.
I think it's more like a police state watch
Captain Shays
05-12-2012, 08:13 AM
He'll be here.
See?
az listen, all you have to do is talk to the mods or go right to the owner.
His name is Josh, and if there is a problem, get them to address it, come to me and tell me to stop, or give me an infraction, or whatever, if you think it's such an issue.
You're coming off looking like a horse's ass following me around in every thread and whining about though.
That being said, I will continue doing as am I am, because I think there is no more "political" issue out there, than the issue of who and what fashion ultimately enforces the decisions made in the political process.
The "political process" has made it very clear, it is at war with the American people.
I'm just a reporter on the front lines of battle that is raging every single day, with tanks, grenades, automatic weapons, soldiers and real live people (and animals) losing their lives.
For every infraction and for every complaint I will ad another REP
Kluge
05-12-2012, 08:14 AM
Fixation, perhaps.
I'd bet quite a bit that you post more frequently in these cop threads than I do, so you really should go plump up a few of your brain cells before you make asinine comments.
KingNothing
05-12-2012, 08:17 AM
I never asked for sympathy for him. I was simply illustrating the fact that in our sensationalized media culture, only those which shock and anger make the news, and if you hear enough about it you tend to think it is the norm. I was explaining what the norm ACTUALLY IS for most cops.
You actually think the media only reports the bad that cops do? Really?
That is almost the complete opposite of reality.
I think it's more like a police state watchYea, it is ... And it IMO deserves it's own section.
There are more than enough stories to keep a new section alive.
I'd bet quite a bit that you post more frequently in these cop threads than I do, so you really should go plump up a few of your brain cells before you make asinine comments.Sue me :p
phill4paul
05-12-2012, 08:21 AM
Dude. I hope you're being sarcastic
I am Captain. ;)
Kluge
05-12-2012, 08:22 AM
Sue me :p
For lacking the capability to think logically or for saying dumb things? I doubt either cases would get too far in the legal system.
phill4paul
05-12-2012, 08:30 AM
Yea, it is ... And it IMO deserves it's own section.
There are more than enough stories to keep a new section alive.
Then make a suggestion here. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?193-Forum-Feedback-amp-Ideas
Perhaps you will get more feedback from the admins than trolling every post regarding the issue.
I've already reported you for insinuating that I, and others, advocate the indiscriminate killing of L.E.O. You are treading a dangerous line with real life implications.
As it has been said here a thousand times if you do not like the way the site is run you may feel free to leave and start your own.
Captain Shays
05-12-2012, 09:44 AM
It is pretty funny to think that that's the case. I've been here for what? Five years? I think we've had at it on several subjects, and while I respect you, if this azxd weasel thinks I'd run amok killing anyone because of something you said, he's loonier than I thought. The few "followers" that we had mostly jumped ship in 2008 after Obama won.
In a way though, maybe it's good that he's here, as he makes a few things obvious.
Actually when he made that statement I think he was refering to something I wrote. I confess. I am sitting here in a rocking chair on my porch with a shot gun across my lap just waiting for the cops to show up. This of course because AF totally inspired me
Kluge
05-12-2012, 09:51 AM
Actually when he made that statement I think he was refering to something I wrote. I confess. I am sitting here in a rocking chair on my porch with a shot gun across my lap just waiting for the cops to show up. This of course because AF totally inspired me
http://bluntobject.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/get-off-my-lawn.jpg?w=655
Damn that AF, inspiring us all to get shooty.
Captain Shays
05-12-2012, 10:08 AM
http://bluntobject.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/get-off-my-lawn.jpg?w=655
Damn that AF, inspiring us all to get shooty.
Now we know who the real AF is. He's Clint Eastwood. I should have known
moostraks
05-12-2012, 10:47 AM
Maybe if you took a moment to think about how your posts affect others, especially new members, you'd reconsider tossing your hatred around so easily.
And don't say it's not hatred ... You've already admitted that you need to change your lifestyle, and hey ... That's probably why you have received, as you put it ... A wood broom shampoo.
A fine representation of the Ron Paul movement, you are ... That's what I've been saying, and will continue to say, as you and our little gang represent the political section of this forum.
Obviously the forum moderators don't care what kind of image you portray, as a long standing member of this forum, and thus a long standing supporter of Ron Paul ... So knock yourself, and Ron out :(
What kind of image is being portrayed? One of contempt for people who face no serious repercussions for their actions and yet act out with the utmost violence upon oftentimes defenseless people and animals, ya think? So where should a liberty minded individual focus their contempt, shall we limit ourselves to the issues the msm finds proper and acceptable conversation? Maybe if people would open their eyes to see how irrationally violent the police are becoming, then voters would finally realize the desperate need for the ron paul politicians to be elected. Maybe if people are more aware of the heinous acts that are being perpetrated in their own cities they will realize the need to stem the bleeding of dollars to arm these individuals with military gear and train them as the standing army they fancy themselves to be. Maybe by posting these articles and issuing the warning to not solve our domestic problems by calling the police, one more person goes untazed tonight or a mother will not face the loss of her unborn child being kicked from her womb.
As for AF being a representative of the Ron Paul movement, get a clue. Believers in the message of liberty are a diverse group. AF represents himself, not the politician Ron Paul nor the movement you think you can easily define by the words of one individual. However, that said, it is individuals who espouse views such as you do with your blind fealty towards the boys in blue who should be shown to be the charlatans of the liberty movement and are a danger to the life and liberty of the individual...
Furthermore, your demands for censorship are outrageous esp. considering the fear mongering spin of "think about how your posts affect others". Any news of importance is going to strike a chord with someone. Censorship only allows cover for those who commit the attrocities rather than shining the light on the problem so it can be dealt with as adults should handle things.
Anti Federalist
05-12-2012, 11:56 AM
Wish I could have kept my word.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?376224-That-s-it-I-m-done.
He'll be here.
See?
az listen, all you have to do is talk to the mods or go right to the owner.
His name is Josh, and if there is a problem, get them to address it, come to me and tell me to stop, or give me an infraction, or whatever, if you think it's such an issue.
You're coming off looking like a horse's ass following me around in every thread and whining about though.
That being said, I will continue doing as I am, because I think there is no more "political" issue out there, than the issue of who and what fashion ultimately enforces the decisions made in the political process.
The "political process" has made it very clear, it is at war with the American people.
I'm just a reporter on the front lines of battle that is raging every single day, with tanks, grenades, automatic weapons, soldiers and real live people (and animals) losing their lives.
kcchiefs6465
05-12-2012, 12:10 PM
This woman had to undergo an emergency C-section after it was discovered the baby had defecated in the womb. :mad: :mad: :mad:
ETA: Good news is the baby was born healthy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozDiQd_FavI
So, I'm going to be held responsible if someone decides that they are not going to be arrested today and kills your husband, because I post stories and bring awareness as to how likely you are to be abused/hurt/killed/falsely imprisoned by a "law enforcement officer"?
And the solution is to, what, exactly?
Shut up?
Cease posting these stories that seem to have so many people worked up?
Maybe if your husband's "brothers in blue" ceased acting the way the do and came down from the war footing, maybe that would be less likely.
But I have given it some thought before, you might be surprised to find out.
I still sleep OK at night.
The comparison would be to have a "terror attack" blamed on Ron or Rand because they refused to sign the PATRIOT Act.
It's a false tautology.
You've completely lost sight of the original argument I was engaged in. It wasn't with you, and it wasn't about the thread in general. There is nothing wrong with bringing these things to the light - they should be exposed, I never once argued that.
This quote and general attitude is what I originally commented on, and what I've been talking about this whole time. That which lumps all cops into one category because of the actions of a few:
cops are detached from reality, they have lost their souls, they have lost their humanity. The record is clear.
But obviously, it's no use arguing with those who refuse to acknowledge your point and just continue trying to turn it into something else entirely, I'm going to mow my lawn.
Umm, your husband is as much a "civilian" as the rest of us.
He is not a member of an occupying army or active military.
Except for this one last thing:
ci·vil·ian /sɪˈvɪlyən/ Show Spelled[si-vil-yuhn] Show IPA
noun
1. a person who is not on active duty with a military, naval, police, or fire fighting organization.
2. Informal . anyone regarded by members of a profession, interest group, society, etc., as not belonging; nonprofessional; outsider: We need a producer to run the movie studio, not some civilian from the business world.
3. a person versed in or studying Roman or civil law.
...widely used term in this context.
Now I'm just procrastinating. I hate mowing.
Anti Federalist
05-12-2012, 12:56 PM
Yes.
And our government is called a "democracy" and we are told the founders wanted a "democracy".
Doesn't mean they are right.
Cops are not military, at least not yet, but it's getting there.
Thus, they are "civvies" same as all the rest of us.
Much as it pains them to admit it and for all practical purposes they are held to a set of laws different from us Mundanes.
Except for this one last thing:
ci·vil·ian /sɪˈvɪlyən/ Show Spelled[si-vil-yuhn] Show IPA
noun
1. a person who is not on active duty with a military, naval, police, or fire fighting organization.
2. Informal . anyone regarded by members of a profession, interest group, society, etc., as not belonging; nonprofessional; outsider: We need a producer to run the movie studio, not some civilian from the business world.
3. a person versed in or studying Roman or civil law.
...widely used term in this context.
Now I'm just procrastinating. I hate mowing.
aGameOfThrones
05-12-2012, 01:00 PM
A Good Cop: One who Stands next to the bad cop while the bad cop beats people to death. This type of cop has job security. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?375463-New-video-released-of-police-beating-Kelly-Thomas-to-death-%28graphic-photo-in-thread%29)
A Real Good Cop: One who intervenes when a bad cop acts unlawfully. This type of cop is Crazy (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374256-This-is-what-happens-to-good-cops-...)
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