View Full Version : Feds admit "operational control" over latest Al Qaeda underwear bombing plot
jmdrake
05-08-2012, 08:25 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaeda-bomb-cell-infiltrated-insider-foiled-airline-115251518--abc-news-topstories.html
In a stunning intelligence coup, a dangerous al Qaeda bomb cell in Yemen was successfully infiltrated by an inside source who secretly worked for the CIA and several other intelligence agencies, authorities revealed to ABC News.
The inside source is now "safely out of Yemen," according to one international intelligence official, and was able to bring with him to Saudi Arabia the bomb al Qaeda thought was going to be detonated on a U.S.-bound aircraft.
The bomb, a refined version of the so-called underwear bomb used in a failed attempt on a Detroit-bound flight on Christmas Day 2009, is now at the FBI crime laboratories in Quantico, Virginia.
U.S. officials said they felt confident throughout the operation that the bomb was not an actual threat because the inside source had "control."
White House counter-terrorism advisor John Brennan reiterated on ABC News' "Good Morning America" today that the bomb was not an "active threat," which is why the public was told repeatedly by top administration officials, including Brennan, that there were no known active plots surrounding the anniversary of bin Laden's death.
Brennan would not discuss the status of the would-be bomber, citing operational security, and declined to say whether the insider had himself been tapped to carry out the plot.
"The means that we were able to get this device, we're trying to make sure we protect, again, the equities that are involved with it," he said.
Brennan also said he could not say whether there were other bombers still at large.
"You never know what you don't know," Brennan said. "I think people getting on a plane today should feel confident their intelligence services are working day in and day out to stop these IEDs [improvised explosive devices] from getting anywhere near a plane, but also I think when they go through the security measures at airports, they understand why they're in place."
Authorities told ABC News that the device was non-metallic, meaning it could be easy to get through at least one layer of metal-detecting airport security, and had an improved triggering mechanism over the one that failed on Christmas Day in 2009. And what Brennan knows and did not say, according to officials, is that several other elements of the plot were under investigation, including possible additional bombers and other kinds of bombs.
Late Monday federal officials confirmed that the U.S., working with other intelligence agencies, recovered the explosive device presumably meant to attack a U.S.-bound flight that resembles other bombs manufactured by the Yemen-based al Qaeda affiliate al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP).
The plot appeared timed to coincide with the first anniversary of Osama bin Laden's death, but the bomber did not get as far as purchasing plane tickets or choosing a flight. As ABC News first reported last week, the plot led the U.S. to order scores of air marshals to Europe to protect U.S.-bound aircraft. Flights out of Gatwick Airport in England received 100 percent coverage, according to U.S. officials.
Al Qaeda bombmaker Ibrahim al-Asiri was again the mastermind of the plot, according to U.S. and other intelligence sources. Asiri designed the bombs in the failed printer-bomb cargo plane plot of 2009 and earlier planted a bomb in the rectum of his brother, who died in a suicide attack on the Saudi intelligence chief. He also made Abdulmutallab's underwear bomb, which failed to detonate properly.
The FBI is currently examining the new bomb and is "exploiting" it for intelligence, Brennan said.
But according to former White House counter-terrorism advisor and current ABC News consultant Richard Clarke, the insider's escape from Yemen could put counter-terror operations at a disadvantage from here on out.
"You have to wonder if this plot was foiled by someone on the inside, whether or not that means that source is blown and therefore they no longer have someone on the insde and would not know about the next plot," Clarke said.
U.S. officials said Fahd al-Quso, the head of operations for AQAP, was killed over the weekend by a U.S. drone strike. Asiri, the bombmaker, is still at large, and is believed to be training other bombmakers and making other bombs, all aimed at U.S. aircraft.
AQAP has been described by numerous U.S. officials as a top security threat to the U.S. homeland, more so even than central al Qaeda formerly led by Osama bin Laden.
jmdrake
05-08-2012, 08:28 AM
Well at least this time they didn't allow the bombers to use real explosives and kill innocent Americans like they did in 1993.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPuwnvwTVNU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AzLTksDcXE
tod evans
05-08-2012, 08:29 AM
Stunning intelligence coup eh?
US government teaches another disgruntled "foreigner" how to make a bomb....
Our tax-dollars at work..:mad:
Kelly.
05-08-2012, 08:30 AM
it seems to me that the FBI is involved in every domestic "terrorism" case, and the CIA is involved in every other "terrorism" case.
seems odd.
jmdrake
05-08-2012, 08:32 AM
And I love how they feds try to use this to pimp their rapescan machines.
Authorities told ABC News that the device was non-metallic, meaning it could be easy to get through at least one layer of metal-detecting airport security, and had an improved triggering mechanism over the one that failed on Christmas Day in 2009. And what Brennan knows and did not say, according to officials, is that several other elements of the plot were under investigation, including possible additional bombers and other kinds of bombs.
Yet the GAO said there is no proof that the rapescan machines wouldn't stop this type of attack either.
http://www.creators.com/opinion/terence-jeffrey/gao-unclear-if-airport-body-scanners-will-detect-underwear-bombs.html
Besides, you can get metalic objects through the rapescan machines. Some airports don't have you go through metal detectors since they have you go through the rapescans.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2111417/TSA-nude-body-scanners-Jonathan-Corbett-video-exposes-loophole.html
Domalais
05-08-2012, 08:41 AM
I'm just going to start adding rape to all words I don't like.
On a similar note, lunch is chicken and rapeoccoli.
jmdrake
05-08-2012, 08:54 AM
I'm just going to start adding rape to all words I don't like.
On a similar note, lunch is chicken and rapeoccoli.
LOL. Does broccoli have the ability to see you naked? If so than use the term.
Domalais
05-08-2012, 08:55 AM
My lunch cost me five rapedollars.
EDIT: No wait. Let me try better. I know how this works now.
Brocolli is a vegetable. Vegetables are farmed. Farms receive subsidies from the government. Those subsidies are paid with my tax dollars. If I don't pay my taxes, I will go to jail. In jail I will be raped.
Therefore, broccoli is made of rape.
I know how this works now.
Not really, see post #7. Also, they are called rapescan machines in part because some of them are made by the company Rapiscan.
http://www.rapiscansystems.com/technologies/backscatter
My lunch cost me five rapedollars.
EDIT: No wait. Let me try better. I know how this works now.
Brocolli is a vegetable. Vegetables are farmed. Farms receive subsidies from the government. Those subsidies are paid with my tax dollars. If I don't pay my taxes, I will go to jail. In jail I will be raped.
Therefore, broccoli is made of rape. an EPIC win!
jmdrake
05-08-2012, 09:21 AM
Not all farms receive subsidies. And you can buy seeds and grow the veggies yourself. Anyway, serious question. Are you fine with the naked body scanners? If so, why? I love eating vegetables. I don't think you should be forced to eat them if you don't want to. You have freedom of choice. But if you continue to go along with tyranny you might not have choice. If the government forced you to eat broccoli that would be akin to rape on a certain level. And if you think that's far fetched, think again....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSoWGlyugTo
My lunch cost me five rapedollars.
EDIT: No wait. Let me try better. I know how this works now.
Brocolli is a vegetable. Vegetables are farmed. Farms receive subsidies from the government. Those subsidies are paid with my tax dollars. If I don't pay my taxes, I will go to jail. In jail I will be raped.
Therefore, broccoli is made of rape.
jmdrake
05-08-2012, 09:22 AM
Not really, see post #7. Also, they are called rapescan machines in part because some of them are made by the company Rapiscan.
http://www.rapiscansystems.com/technologies/backscatter
LOL. Good point.
Domalais
05-08-2012, 09:22 AM
I will not reread that rapeost.
(Internet was built with rape. Thanks, DARPA.)
jmdrake
05-08-2012, 09:22 AM
an EPIC win!
Win of what? :confused:
Domalais
05-08-2012, 09:28 AM
Are you fine with the naked body scanners?
No. I am not at all fine with the body scanners, for a variety of reasons that mostly have nothing to do with nudity.
I am, however, immensely tired of everything on this forum being raperapeforcemurdertyrannyraperape. It's not useful. It is not convincing. It turns off those on the fence. It makes you sound like an ideologue. And it's gotten to the point where I can't avoid making a snark comment whenever I see it.
If the government forced you to eat broccoli that would be akin to rape on a certain level.
Dear god, you're right! Michelle Obama wants to rape my tongue!!!
I will not reread that rapeost.
(Internet was built with rape. Thanks, DARPA.)
Allow me help you out then, by reposting it in a new post. :)
LOL. Does broccoli have the ability to see you naked? If so than use the term.
No. I am not at all fine with the body scanners, for a variety of reasons that mostly have nothing to do with nudity.
I am, however, immensely tired of everything on this forum being raperapeforcemurdertyrannyraperape. It's not useful. It is not convincing. It turns off those on the fence. It makes you sound like an ideologue. And it's gotten to the point where I can't avoid making a snark comment whenever I see it.
Dear god, you're right! Michelle Obama wants to rape my tongue!!!
Do you not see the logical connection between being seen naked against your will and rape?
pcosmar
05-08-2012, 09:33 AM
Dear god, you're right! Michelle Obama wants to rape my tongue!!!
-10
This has what to do with the FBI/CIA running and promoting "terrorist" schemes?
Thread was derapeiled by the OP LOL
Domalais
05-08-2012, 09:40 AM
Allow me help you out then, by reposting it in a new post. :)
So instead of just forcing me to relive my rape, you raped me again. Thanks?
(EDIT) PS: The broccoli in my fridge HAS seen me naked.
Do you not see the logical connection between being seen naked against your will and rape?
No, I don't. I have seen the results of rape first hand and helped survivors of rape go on with their lives afterwards. As a result, I would never compare, for example, paying my taxes to rape. It's also why I mock misuse and overuse of the word.
pcosmar
05-08-2012, 09:50 AM
Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/16/fbi-entrapment-fake-terror-plots
http://lewrockwell.com/rep2/fbi-behind-most-us-terror-plots.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxR3ytbX2xU
It seems some are working tirelessly to derail the subject at hand.
Again.
:(
In a stunning intelligence coup, a dangerous al Qaeda bomb cell in Yemen was successfully infiltrated by an inside source who secretly worked for the CIA and several other intelligence agencies, authorities revealed to ABC News.
And I love how they feds try to use this to pimp their rapescan machines.
It seems some are working tirelessly to derail the subject at hand.
Again.
:(OP derailed it, and others joined in ;)
Good Judge Nap vid !!!
jmdrake
05-08-2012, 10:31 AM
OP derailed it, and others joined in ;)
Good Judge Nap vid !!!
Ah. I see. Paid DHS informants love distracting people from the fact that the government is using terror to justify state sponsored voyeurism. I hope they pay you and Domalias well, though I suspect you just do it for free. ;)
jmdrake
05-08-2012, 10:33 AM
No, I don't. I have seen the results of rape first hand and helped survivors of rape go on with their lives afterwards. As a result, I would never compare, for example, paying my taxes to rape. It's also why I mock misuse and overuse of the word.
Have you helped this little girl?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARS770VpH7o
Why is her trauma any less real to you than if she had been touched inappropriately by some stranger in a bathroom?
jmdrake
05-08-2012, 10:35 AM
Do you not see the logical connection between being seen naked against your will and rape?
When the government does it, then it's all okay because it's for our "safety".....only it's not for our safety because the government sets up the terror plots.
I supposed Domalais is okay with the woman who was sent back through the scanners 3 times because the TSA goons "broccoli advocates" thought she had a "cute figure".
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-02-15/news/31064921_1_tsa-workers-passenger-complaints-body-scans
Ah. I see. Paid DHS informants love distracting people from the fact that the government is using terror to justify state sponsored voyeurism. I hope they pay you and Domalias well, though I suspect you just do it for free. ;)No need to get accusatory with me, buddy ... Look at what I've posted in your thread ;)
ETA:
Look at what you've posted in your thread !!!
Correct yourself if you're wrong, but your OP was about another underwear bomb plot, and you took it down the TSA screener road ... I'd call that a diversion, or as you call it, A DISTRACTION LOL
How much are they paying you :p
No, I don't. I have seen the results of rape first hand and helped survivors of rape go on with their lives afterwards. As a result, I would never compare, for example, paying my taxes to rape. It's also why I mock misuse and overuse of the word.
Tell that to the woman in the following video.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?128170-Remember-that-strip-search-case-gt-DENIED
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?143305-Fully-Nude-Strip-Search-Male-Police-Stripping-Woman-Naked
Fully nude strip searches of females are being forcefully conducted by male police officers, against policy, and in Abu Ghraib torture style, in Stark County Ohio. The women are video-taped and left naked for up to six hours.
Hope Steffey summed up her ordeal at the hands of Stark County deputies and correctional personnel as "rape without penetration."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgixrRZ-Avg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgixrRZ-Avg
Also:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?335883-FBI%E2%80%99s-new-definition-of-rape-ensnares-TSA-agents-as-serial-rapists
Lucille
05-08-2012, 10:46 AM
Of course! What fresh hell does the DHS and its TSA have in store for travelers now after the FBI's latest terrorist plot?
jmdrake
05-08-2012, 10:47 AM
No need to get accusatory with me, buddy ... Look at what I've posted in your thread ;)
ETA:
Look at what you've posted in your thread !!!
Correct yourself if you're wrong, but your OP was about another underwear bomb plot, and you took it down the TSA screener road ... I'd call that a diversion, by you LOL
The article in the OP referenced airport security measures and is a clear attempt to justify the scanners. That's not a "diversion". It was my point for posting the article. I see your problem now. You just weren't able to follow along. That could be my fault. I didn't lay it out carefully enough. I'll try to do that better this time.
1) The FBI "infiltrates" a bombing plot to the point that they get "operational control".
2) Part of the "operation" involves using a "non metallic" explosive device.
3) They admit they device wouldn't have worked anyway.
4) The MSM points out that this non working explosive device would have gotten through a standard metal detector.
5) What you are supposed to pick up on is "See? This is why we need the scanners. Sure TSA agents are making women go back through them multiple times to get a good look at their cute figure. But we need these scanners to protect us from bombs that the FBI knows wouldn't work anyway."
I sincerely hope that helps.
jmdrake
05-08-2012, 10:50 AM
+rep for pointing that out. Eventually this may move to full body cavity searches. But we can't compare that to rape either because it's being done by the government, therefore it's no different from our tax dollars being used to subsidize broccoli. :rolleyes:
Tell that to the woman in the following video.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?128170-Remember-that-strip-search-case-gt-DENIED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgixrRZ-Avg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgixrRZ-Avg
More links:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?143305-Fully-Nude-Strip-Search-Male-Police-Stripping-Woman-Naked
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?335883-FBI%E2%80%99s-new-definition-of-rape-ensnares-TSA-agents-as-serial-rapists
+rep for pointing that out. Eventually this may move to full body cavity searches. But we can't compare that to rape either because it's being done by the government, therefore it's no different from our tax dollars being used to subsidize broccoli. :rolleyes:
U.S. on alert for terrorists with bombs INSIDE their bodies on eve ... (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2137642/U-S-alert-terrorists-bombs-INSIDE-bodies-eve-bin-Ladens-death.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)
Daily Mail - Apr 30, 2012
... has been stepped up amid fears terrorists may be using bombs surgically implanted ... 'We have no indication of any specific, credible threats or plots ...
8 May, 2012
security agencies also were monitoring a second "threat stream" coming out of the Middle East involving the use of surgically-implanted body bombs.
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/national/cia-thwarted-al-qaeda-plot-to-bomb-us-bound-plane-20120508
Here ya go
kcchiefs6465
05-08-2012, 12:17 PM
Fully nude strip searches of females are being forcefully conducted by male police officers, against policy, and in Abu Ghraib torture style, in Stark County Ohio. The women are video-taped and left naked for up to six hours.
Hope Steffey summed up her ordeal at the hands of Stark County deputies and correctional personnel as "rape without penetration."
I'm glad my county is known for something. In reference to the OP pretty much all they are talking about on the MSM is what measures must be taken to combat this new threat. It just leaves me shaking my head. The definition of fear mongering.
jmdrake
05-08-2012, 12:24 PM
U.S. on alert for terrorists with bombs INSIDE their bodies on eve ... (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2137642/U-S-alert-terrorists-bombs-INSIDE-bodies-eve-bin-Ladens-death.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)
Daily Mail - Apr 30, 2012
... has been stepped up amid fears terrorists may be using bombs surgically implanted ... 'We have no indication of any specific, credible threats or plots ...
Here ya go
Thanks! +rep
Thanks! +repThanks back, and sorry for the confusion, earlier ... I didn't realize where you wanted to go with this thread.
Domalais
05-08-2012, 01:55 PM
Ah. I see. Paid DHS informants love distracting people from the fact that the government is using terror to justify state sponsored voyeurism. I hope they pay you and Domalias well, though I suspect you just do it for free. ;)
You caught us. We've been sent back from a dystopian future. Internet forum posts in your time were all that kept us fro
#NO CARRIER
jmdrake
05-08-2012, 02:32 PM
You caught us. We've been sent back from a dystopian future. Internet forum posts in your time were all that kept us fro
#NO CARRIER
http://img3.etsystatic.com/il_570xN.170293535.jpg
noneedtoaggress
05-08-2012, 02:35 PM
As a result, I would never compare, for example, paying my taxes to rape. It's also why I mock misuse and overuse of the word.
Why don't you try refusing to pay extortion taxes and see how comparable it really is then?
Or maybe you're just looking to receive a medal for all the honorable work you're doing defending the sanctity of the government innocent rape victims.
bolil
05-08-2012, 04:50 PM
Interesting, plastic underwear. I wonder if it was a banana hammock or boxer style.
So, are we really footing the bill for the RAPACIOUS CIA/FBI for this caliber of shenanigans. Unbelievable...
pcosmar
05-08-2012, 05:01 PM
OP derailed it, and others joined in ;)
The OP derailed NOTHING.
He made the correct connection between the FBIs fake terror plots and the "security" industry's overpriced, unnecessary and likely dangerous machines.
This obscene invasion of personal privacy has been called rape by many others over the years. and the machines are commonly refered to as rapescans,, or pornoscans.
The derail is attempting to dismiss the FACT the the whole thing was engineered by the Federal Government to justify and promote the use and expansion of use of these obscene devices.
LibForestPaul
05-08-2012, 05:20 PM
rapescan is ok term.
stripscan seems more accurate. or voyeurscan, though hard to pronounce..
jerkoffscan,
TheTexan
05-08-2012, 05:27 PM
it seems to me that the FBI is involved in every domestic "terrorism" case, and the CIA is involved in every other "terrorism" case.
seems odd.
They are just that good at their job. The Patriot Act is working. Disagree? Why do you hate America? Are you a terrorist?
Reported.
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