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smithtg
05-08-2012, 07:13 AM
Im going to look for a Tube of this. Seriously Mitt? Since we spend money we don't have and then claim by cutting it we are "taking it out of the economy" It was never there to begin with!!! Funny how now the MSM is calling Ron's plan "austerity" I really hate that word, as of course they use it all over news about Europe. So when you tell a bunch of neocons its "austerity" they think its a bad thing like those 'socialists' in Europe.



http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/may/7/romney-rejects-ron-paul-style-austerity/

You can almost hear the collective gasp from Ron Paul's loyal band of supporters.

Speaking Monday at a town hall style-meeting event in Cleveland, presumptive GOP presidential Mitt Romney plunged a fork into the idea that he could come around to embracing Mr. Paul's call for deep cuts in federal spending.

"My job is to get America back on track to have a balanced budget. Now I'm not going to cut $1 trillion in the first year," he said, distancing himself from Mr. Paul's (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2011/oct/19/paul-time-cut-spending/) plan to slice more than a quarter of the estimated $3.8 trillion being spent by the the federal government.

Why not, someone in the crowd apparently asked, sparking a response from the former Massachusetts governor.

"The reason," he explained, "is taking a trillion dollars out of a $15 trillion economy would cause our economy to shrink [and] would put a lot of people out of work."Mr. Paul proposed deeper cuts in federal spending than any of his rivals in the GOP nomination contest, rolling out a plan in October that called for $1 trillion in spending cuts during his year in office -- in part by closing federal agencies, attrition in the federal work force and ending the wars overseas.

"I think the easiest place to cut spending is overseas," Mr. Paul said at the time, reminding supporters that the nation has spent trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan. "It doesn’t make us safer. It doesn’t make us richer. It makes us poorer."

Mr. Paul's plan aims to cap federal spending at 15.5 percent of national GDP (it is currently about 25 percent of GDP) by 2016 and balance the budget in three years. Mr. Romney, meanwhile, has laid out a fiscal plan that aims to cap federal spending at 20 percent of GDP and bring the budget into balance by 2020. He, however, opposes cuts to military spending, which currently accounts for about 18 percent of federal outlays.

Speaking at a campaign stop last week in Portsmouth, Va., Mr. Romney drove home that point, saying he will add new ships to the U.S. Navy, add new aircraft to the Air Force and add 100,000 active duty personnel. warmonger....

The Goat
05-08-2012, 07:46 AM
Those are the comments that piss me off about politicians. their the ones taking that 1trillion out of the economy and wasting it on government. If they didn't spend it that would be leaving it in the economy. IDIOT!

smithtg
05-08-2012, 08:18 AM
yes IDIOT

trey4sports
05-08-2012, 08:23 AM
i cant stand romney.

Oddone
05-08-2012, 08:28 AM
Austerity? There was a whole show where Ron Paul argued with so called pundits that we didn't need to have austerity to bring ourselves out of these problems. I wish I could find the video blah.

Gravik
05-08-2012, 02:55 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/may/7/romney-rejects-ron-paul-style-austerity/

Aka, Romney isn't serious about cutting spending.

Gravik
05-08-2012, 03:00 PM
Increasing our military? seems like Obamney is getting ready for a war....

Iraqn

bluesc
05-08-2012, 03:07 PM
His people can't at the very least educate him on very basic economic fallacies?

rockerrockstar
05-08-2012, 03:14 PM
His is going to cut benefits to the poor to help pay for the war efforts. That is austerity. I don't agree with Romney. We should cut war funds first.

S.Shorland
05-08-2012, 03:18 PM
Austerity of war is blossoming of peace

Crystallas
05-08-2012, 03:21 PM
Agreed.

Ron Paul rejects Mitt Romney-style austerity.

Tudo
05-08-2012, 03:24 PM
I only wish we lived in a country that had free and fair elections and just one lengthy televised debate on the issues like this one that of course gave Dr Paul equal time.

On the other hand if they really and truly want and like to use physical force to stop us, I'm betting on our team to prevail :)

Oh, and Ron Paul rejects willard romney's socialism and jingoism

rich34
05-08-2012, 03:30 PM
I
i cant stand romney.

You ain't kiddin especially his stupid looking manurisms. He's so fake I simply cannot understand how people don't see through that BS! Then again people didn't see through Bush's bs...

luctor-et-emergo
05-08-2012, 03:32 PM
So 'Cut Cap and Balance' has already been replaced by 'Shut up "Invest" and go Bankrupt'.

New aircraft to the Air force ? A little memo to Mr. Romney, that F22 thingy, still isn't ready... Do you want something new or simply increase the order on an airplane that's getting more expensive by the day ? New ships for the Navy ? Okay... But why doesn't the Army get any new vehicles ? I'm sure they could use a couple new ones...

Is it such a surprise ? With his record, things can only work out better than expected, right ? :D

wgadget
05-08-2012, 03:47 PM
So Romney is just another Keynesian---like Obama.

Jarg
05-08-2012, 03:49 PM
Sorry romney... you lost me as a vote ...

I was actually going to consider voting for you if you adopted some of pauls ideas like ending fed etc... but now nothing he can say will change that even if paul comes out and endorces him.

jmdrake
05-08-2012, 04:05 PM
Im going to look for a Tube of this. Seriously Mitt? Since we spend money we don't have and then claim by cutting it we are "taking it out of the economy" It was never there to begin with!!! Funny how now the MSM is calling Ron's plan "austerity" I really hate that word, as of course they use it all over news about Europe. So when you tell a bunch of neocons its "austerity" they think its a bad thing like those 'socialists' in Europe.


I put the most important part in bold. Here's something to ask people concerned about cutting the federal budget. Is it moral to force future generations to pay for the excesses of today? Because that's what's happening. It's inter-generational slavery.

James Otis, Jr.
05-08-2012, 04:09 PM
To my knowledge this is the first time Mitt Romney has engaged Ron Paul on the campaign trail this year. Based on Romney's quotes, that engagement was an epic fail. I hope this trend continues.

Long-time Ron Paul supporter, First-Time Ron Paul Forums Poster!

sailingaway
05-08-2012, 04:12 PM
Yeah, I posted this the other day, but called it 'Romney refuses to address US Debt responsibly'.

dude58677
05-08-2012, 04:14 PM
Why is he worried about Ron Paul if he is the "nominee"?:D

airborne373
05-08-2012, 04:15 PM
Mitt Romney is more like Barack Obama than Ron Paul. Everyone should be told about this. Great article .... more to follow. lol :)

Kregisen
05-08-2012, 04:22 PM
Romney is sort of acting like a illogical dumbass right now. Yes, by decreasing government spending financed by debt, you are decreasing payments to people for services...which will cause a decrease in wealth created. However, because it's DEFICIT spending, that deficit will HAVE to be paid back eventually, and the longer you hold off, the more compounded the interest will be on that payment, so the amount of wealth that will have to be "taken out" of the economy down the road will be greater than if we take it out today.

His exact argument is saying "let's not choose to cut spending with our credit card honey, otherwise we can't buy as many things".


I don't understand how he was able to run ANY business with such a low IQ business sense.

Liberty74
05-08-2012, 04:26 PM
Romney wants to balance the budget by "2020?" LOL and can Romney actually tell us the last time the federal govt predicted anything right 8 years out? NEVER NEVER NEVER.

Federal spending is 24% of GDP today. He wants to bring it to 20%? The only way is to actually cut and we all know he offers ZERO cuts. Spending goes up under Romney every year and he adds $5 trillion to the national debt in 4 years.

Ian56
05-08-2012, 04:30 PM
Romney wants to buy more weaponry such as cruise missiles and drones and use them in Yemen and Pakistan and give more profits to arms companies.
Romney wants to maintain the $100bn Pentagon budget for the current presence in Iraq.
Romney wants to cut social security.
Romney would rather troops spent their cash overseas rather than at home.
Romney would rather the Pentagon remained the biggest polluter on the planet and waste cash supplying troops all over the globe.
Romney would rather spend money on wasteful government departments such as Education, FEMA (can't remember the list) that just get in the way.
Romney wants to give tax cuts for the very rich and none for anyone else.
Romney wants to pay more interest on more government debt, running trillion plus deficits ad infinitum.
Romney wants to maintain the anti competitive business environment instead of cutting petty rules and regulations (40,000 new rules were added Jan 1st)
Romney wants to continue the failed war on drugs and continue wasting $200bn a year that this costs.
Romney wants to continue with the number of hard drug users, instead of halving them, and maintain the level of street crime, gangs, violence and corruption of the drug trade.

Sola_Fide
05-08-2012, 04:31 PM
Bankrupt ideas.

mello
05-08-2012, 04:35 PM
"The reason," he explained, "is taking a trillion dollars out of a $15 trillion economy would cause our economy to shrink [and] would put a lot of people out of work."

With that logic, doesn't the 1 trillion we spend each year on our foreign policy causes our economy to shrink & put a lot of people out of work?

alucard13mmfmj
05-08-2012, 04:39 PM
Romney wants to buy more weaponry such as cruise missiles and drones and use them in Yemen and Pakistan and give more profits to arms companies.
Romney wants to maintain the $100bn Pentagon budget for the current presence in Iraq.
Romney wants to cut social security.
Romney would rather troops spent their cash overseas rather than at home.
Romney would rather the Pentagon remained the biggest polluter on the planet and waste cash supplying troops all over the globe.
Romney would rather spend money on wasteful government departments such as Education, FEMA (can't remember the list) that just get in the way.
Romney wants to give tax cuts for the very rich and none for anyone else.
Romney wants to pay more interest on more government debt, running trillion plus deficits ad infinitum.
Romney wants to maintain the anti competitive business environment instead of cutting petty rules and regulations (40,000 new rules were added Jan 1st)
Romney wants to continue the failed war on drugs and continue wasting $200bn a year that this costs.
Romney wants to continue with the number of hard drug users, instead of halving them, and maintain the level of street crime, gangs, violence and corruption of the drug trade.

but he can beat obama =P...........................

Warmon
05-08-2012, 04:48 PM
Romney is sort of acting like a illogical dumbass right now.

Absolutely. This is why Mass was 47th in the nation for job creation under Romney as governor. He's just another clueless big government liberal pretending to be a conservative.

opinionatedfool
05-08-2012, 04:56 PM
Romney:

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/epic-fail-fail-nation-squirrel-fail.gif

Agorism
05-08-2012, 04:58 PM
Cheney: "Reagan Proved Deficits Don't Matter" (http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/reagan-proved-deficits-dont-matter)

smithtg
05-08-2012, 05:28 PM
here is the video

Go to 8:05

http://news.yahoo.com/video/clevelandwews-20910953/mitt-romney-q-a-in-euclid-29216334.html

jmdrake
05-09-2012, 12:26 PM
but he can beat obama =P...........................


http://www.youtube.com/user/EndorseLiberty?v=oNSUFOkjyX8

Ian56
05-10-2012, 07:21 AM
but he can beat obama =P...........................

Nope. Romney will get slaughtered by Obama in November.
Electoral College map - current state of play
http://ian56.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/electoral-college-maps-romney-cannot.html

Some Romney baggage almost all of which the general public is not aware of ................. until Obama uses it after Tampa.
http://ian56.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/mitt-romney-information.html

LibertyEagle
05-10-2012, 07:34 AM
Mitt subscribes to Keynesian economics.

jovasi
05-10-2012, 08:04 AM
here is the video

Go to 8:05

http://news.yahoo.com/video/clevelandwews-20910953/mitt-romney-q-a-in-euclid-29216334.html

I watched 10 seconds of that and wanted to strangle him. How can people be so brain dead to blindly applaud to what he was saying. All I heard was the same old rhetoric from every other politician. All talk with no actual solutions.

Matthanuf06
05-10-2012, 08:11 AM
He is the typical politician only worried about tomorrow, what the papers in the AM say, and his recent poll numbers.

Cutting 1 trill right away will certainly cause pain in the short term. The economy would shrink and jobs would certainly be lost. For a certain period of time that POTUS would not be popular at all. It would have the potential to be relatively brutal. However, over the medium term (heck even the short-medium term) and especially the long term the economy would heal and we will get back on track. That is what a politician should be thinking about. It should be about long term solutions, long term viability, and not short term poll numbers.

JK/SEA
05-10-2012, 08:15 AM
war is a jobs program. plus they get to play with new toys courtesy of the taxpayers all in the name of ..National Security..

I'm sure mitt has defense contractors in his portfolio.

Paul Fan
05-10-2012, 08:23 AM
To my knowledge this is the first time Mitt Romney has engaged Ron Paul on the campaign trail this year. Based on Romney's quotes, that engagement was an epic fail. I hope this trend continues.

Long-time Ron Paul supporter, First-Time Ron Paul Forums Poster!

Welcome to the forums! Good point about Romney explicitly mentioning Dr. Paul's plan; it would be good to try to push more explicit comparisons between them.

papitosabe
05-10-2012, 09:11 AM
To my knowledge this is the first time Mitt Romney has engaged Ron Paul on the campaign trail this year. Based on Romney's quotes, that engagement was an epic fail. I hope this trend continues.

Long-time Ron Paul supporter, First-Time Ron Paul Forums Poster!

WELCOME!