View Full Version : My Response To A Paul Supporter Jumping Ship
jay_dub
05-06-2012, 05:37 AM
I don't know how typical this guy is, but I suspect there are many like him. I'm a member of another forum and want to share his post and my response to it. In a way I can understand where he's coming from if he hasn't been keeping up with the recent developments, but now is exactly the wrong time to give up on Ron Paul.
I guess you would consider someone like him to be 'soft support'. We have to keep these people. With a little luck, this weekend's results will be a tipping point for the media, which is the one thing holding this campaign back from exploding back onto the national scene.
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His post:
I am a Ron Paul supporter first and foremost. But, we have to know when to move on and that ship has sailed. Our man fought the good fight.
We need to lobby for Romney to include Ron Paul as the Chairman of the Federal Reserve or the Secretary of Treasury. Romney has already stated he would fire Bernake.
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......and my response.
I completely disagree with you.
Ron Paul has been having great success at the county, CD and state conventions, racking up delegates and Paul supporters gaining key party positions. Though no one is sure what will come of this, it is apparent that Ron Paul is not out of it. You could look up info on his successes in Iowa, Minnesota, Louisiana, and just this weekend, at the Maine and Nevada state conventions, which conclude on Sunday.
These developments will at least strengthen Ron Paul's position going into Tampa and possibly much more. If you are a Paul supporter, it only makes sense to continue your support for him to help further strengthen his position. If you believe in his message and want it spread and to have actual influence, supporting him is key. Your state (California) has not yet voted, so why abandon him now? We won't know the results of the delegate strategy until all the state conventions have been held and we won't know the impact of those results until Tampa.
Now is NOT the time to settle for Romney. It is time to re-double the effort to get Ron Paul nominated or, at the least, to ensure that his message of a smaller government, personal liberty and non-intervention has the greatest impact possible. Ron Paul is giving voice to a vision many of us would like to see for America. We deserve to have that voice heard and the only way for that to happen is to SUPPORT DR. PAUL.
ETA: Sorry about the typo in thread title.....ooops!
asurfaholic
05-06-2012, 06:58 AM
Nice response, but I don't think there are many like him. Either you "get" it, or not, and those who support paul do it by principle, not for party reasons.
Id just beware of people posing as paul supporters, trying to get others to switch.
jay_dub
05-06-2012, 07:27 AM
Nice response, but I don't think there are many like him. Either you "get" it, or not, and those who support paul do it by principle, not for party reasons.
Id just beware of people posing as paul supporters, trying to get others to switch.
I hope you're wrong on this. We are in trouble if all we'll ever be is those that get it already.
On that forum, I don't worry so much about people's motivations. His post was just something that continues the narrative that Romney is inevitable and Ron Paul is unelectable. For whatever reason, I'll always challenge posts like that.
BTW, I think we now have enough reason with the good news from the conventions and with Karl Rove's recent analysis that detailed Romney's electoral woes to appeal to people's practical nature rather than just ideology.
TrishW
05-06-2012, 08:14 AM
Nice response, but I don't think there are many like him. Either you "get" it, or not, and those who support Paul do it by principle, not for party reasons.
Id just beware of people posing as Paul supporters, trying to get others to switch.
No, you are wrong. It would surprise you how many people would vote for Ron Paul, but are not rabid supporters of the cause. My whole family, keeps telling me .... I'm for Ron Paul, but Romney is the republican candidate! They think I am grasping at straws.
We are not a Republican family, mostly Democrat with a strong leaning to independent. Normally we would never choose to vote Republican. We do need a voice, many voices, calling in the wind.... at least until we can secure media coverage. The revolution is not well know outside the political arena.
Dissent
05-06-2012, 08:27 AM
My parents are people who voted for Paul but are not rabid supporters. I know for fact both are voting for Romney if he is nominee.At least in 2008 I got my mother to vote for Libertarian party and I voted for Constitution party while my father wanted to try and stop Obama and voted for McCain.
anewvoice
05-06-2012, 08:32 AM
Yeah, Ron Paul does in fact have soft support but it's safe to say that he has as much or more rabid support than anyone else. Such is the reason why the delegate strategy is bearing fruit.
People that jump off the bandwagon can easily be added back later. Please continue to share the message. Most of my friends wouldn't even know Paul was still in the race if not for a relentless stream of updates. It's our job to do the medias job until they do.
And chin up, it's May 6th and we're fighting and winning in states still. I cannot tell you how proud I am of our efforts. Where is the end, I don't know either but I'll gladly follow Ron Paul into the unknown!
thoughtomator
05-06-2012, 08:38 AM
you can't fix stupid
Copenhagen
05-06-2012, 08:39 AM
I guess he is too brainwashed to see what's happening in America. A lot of people don't understand the magnitude of this election. If Dr. Paul doesn't get his message across now, we may never have another chance. IMO it's now or never. Anyone who thinks its ok to abandon Paul for Romney obviously doesn't see what the hell is happening.
MisfitToy
05-06-2012, 08:39 AM
This is the Ron Paul Revolution, everyone is invited :D
I also know people who will vote for Ron in the general election when he gets the nomination. They are Republicans and Democrats. The rest of America wants to jump on board.
asurfaholic
05-06-2012, 08:42 AM
No, you are wrong. It would surprise you how many people would vote for Ron Paul, but are not rabid supporters of the cause. My whole family, keeps telling me .... I'm for Ron Paul, but Romney is the republican candidate! They think I am grasping at straws.
We are not a Republican family, mostly Democrat with a strong leaning to independent. Normally we would never choose to vote Republican. We do need a voice, many voices, calling in the wind.... at least until we can secure media coverage. The revolution is not well know outside the political arena.
I don't think I am wrong. I said I don't think there are "many" like this guy. You are suggesting that many of paul's supporters will switch to romney. I disagree. Maybe some will, but they don't represent "many" in the sense that many means a significant population.
I have no doubt that there is some soft support, but I think it is more likely that the person the OP was responding to is not really a diehard paul supporter. A romney supporter who claims to be a paul supporter, switching to romney "for the party" is more likely. Not definitely the case, and not always the case, but I wager the majority, or "many" of Pauls support is from the well informed class, and don't give a shit about the party.
Saying all this, I must admit, I don't know everything, and I may wake up tomorrow and all Pauls people are supporting Romney. Who knows...
anewvoice
05-06-2012, 08:48 AM
Saying all this, I must admit, I don't know everything, and I may wake up tomorrow and all Pauls people are supporting Romney. Who knows...
This describes a nightmare I recently had, and a pretty good idea for a grassroots ad. :)
Imagine a bunch of former Ron Paul supporters wandering around with Romney signs like zombies (saying crap like "at least he's not Obama" or "he's what we'ev got, it's time to unite")and 1 diehard running around trying to wake them up and then a Ron Paul supporter waking up to news headlines of all the recent victories in a newspaper or something like. A giant sigh of relief and some closing. :)
Okie RP fan
05-06-2012, 08:49 AM
People who say, and don't take offense, because there are a few on these forums who have suggested the same, but, people who say Ron Paul is, should, or will be Fed chairman, or head of the treasury are now thinking this all the way through.
THE POWER ELITE DO NOT WANT RON PAUL ANYWHERE NEAR THEIR STRUCTURE.
Ron Paul will NOT be Fed chairman (he has to be elected by the Fed branch governors, anyway) and the treasury? Yea, right.
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Anyway, back to the main point of the post. It seems to me that we had a lot of soft support. I've actually come across quite a few people (more than I thought I would) that say they support Ron first, but, realize that "he can't win" and the ultimate goal is getting Obama out, so they rallied behind Romney.
It's sad to see, but, we did once have more support (think Iowa, New Hampshire, etc.) than we do now.
GeorgiaAvenger
05-06-2012, 08:51 AM
If Romney actually did appoint Paul as Fed chairman, of course I would support that.
Don't expect it to happen though.
TrishW
05-06-2012, 08:52 AM
I get what you are saying. But please keep in mind, when we speak on the internet, it is far from a private conversation. There are always lurkers who may be swayed by the right words. The true words of hope, and freedom. It is good to always speak up for RON PAUL.
Case in point... I was a Catholic (not sure if I am any longer) but I was speaking to an atheist on another forum. No, I did not convert him. BUT, years later I received an email from a person in study to be a Priest. This man was lurking on the forum, and had followed the conversation. He thanked me for the words that changed his life. We never know, where the ripples go.
jay_dub
05-06-2012, 08:54 AM
The Mightiest Oak Is Just A Little Nut That Wouldn't Give Up!!
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_q8zSjHMqk-8/TEPPVYpPhrI/AAAAAAAAAhw/6S5dmrRnCB0/s1600/IMG_2735.JPG
TrishW
05-06-2012, 08:58 AM
I love that saying
The Mightiest Oak Is Just A Little Nut That Wouldn't Give Up!!
VBRonPaulFan
05-06-2012, 09:06 AM
The best answer would've been more succinct...
"Romney is not a conservative nor a republican. You shouldn't throw away everything you stand for to vote for someone who doesn't even represent you."
After all, what's the point of voting in 'anyone but obama' if the person an establishment is trying to get you to choose is EXACTLY THE SAME AS OBAMA?
jay_dub
05-06-2012, 09:07 AM
Ron Paul is THE Revolutionary All-American Boy! :D
It's ok if you don't like my choice in music...but BOA has always been a favorite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWHsaba7rkg
ctiger2
05-06-2012, 09:10 AM
Nice response, but I don't think there are many like him. Either you "get" it, or not, and those who support paul do it by principle, not for party reasons.
I completely agree. This person is either a troll OR he really just doesn't "get it". Cause if you really "get it" you wouldn't back down.
jay_dub
05-06-2012, 09:14 AM
The best answer would've been more succinct...
"Romney is not a conservative nor a republican. You shouldn't throw away everything you stand for to vote for someone who doesn't even represent you."
After all, what's the point of voting in 'anyone but obama' if the person an establishment is trying to get you to choose is EXACTLY THE SAME AS OBAMA?
All that's been said before, and I agree with every bit of it. Now, though, I think we need to make people aware of Ron's victories and the fact that yes, he IS electable. The ideology of the message is perfect, but we can now make the practical case for Ron Paul and that is what we must do if we hope to win.
Okie RP fan
05-06-2012, 09:15 AM
I completely agree. This person is either a troll OR he really just doesn't "get it". Cause if you really "get it" you wouldn't back down.
They are people who really want to like Dr. Paul, but, aren't part of the r3VOLution, just yet. They are the epitome of soft support, and, as stated, we had quite a bit of it up until the past few months.
If OP's colleague was really a Paul supporter, he'd wait to write such nonsense until after Romney actually is the GOP's nominee. $.02
jay_dub
05-06-2012, 09:20 AM
If OP's colleague was really a Paul supporter, he'd wait to write such nonsense until after Romney actually is the GOP's nominee. $.02
Colleague is a stretch. He's just a fellow member on a political talk forum. The opinions of Dr. Paul there run the gamut. And, like any forum, posts are read by many and I keep that in mind when posting.
Carson
05-06-2012, 09:22 AM
Nice response, but I don't think there are many like him. Either you "get" it, or not, and those who support paul do it by principle, not for party reasons.
Id just beware of people posing as paul supporters, trying to get others to switch.
That's what it smelled like to me.
jay_dub
05-06-2012, 09:25 AM
I love that saying
The Mightiest Oak Is Just A Little Nut That Wouldn't Give Up!!
That tree is just down the road from me. It sits right on the beachfront and has endured many hurricanes, but is still standing strong.
VBRonPaulFan
05-06-2012, 09:33 AM
All that's been said before, and I agree with every bit of it. Now, though, I think we need to make people aware of Ron's victories and the fact that yes, he IS electable. The ideology of the message is perfect, but we can now make the practical case for Ron Paul and that is what we must do if we hope to win.
Heh, he's been elected 12 times to the House. Obviously he's electable. He's won a ton of delegates, obviously he has support. People getting behind Romney are just doing their best to ignore those facts. The question really comes down to whether or not someone wants to throw away what they stand for just for the 'W' (which, laughably enough, isn't nearly close to guaranteed with Romney), or vote with their conscious for the person that best represents their idea of liberty, freedom, and small government.
thetruthhurtsthefed
05-06-2012, 09:39 AM
We need to lobby for Romney to include Ron Paul as the Chairman of the Federal Reserve or the Secretary of Treasury. Romney has already stated he would fire Bernake.
Romney is paid by his masters(Goldman sucks et al) so, will he fire or in reality "replace" Shalome Bernanke with another Zionist shill?l will he sing the same "fed" song over again only slightly pulling the curtain over the sheep disguising the "new" chairman? I highly doubt he will place ron paul as fed chair as the banks want nothing to do with a constitutionalist.
jay_dub
05-06-2012, 09:44 AM
Romney is paid by his masters(Goldman sucks et al) so, will he fire or in reality "replace" Shalome Bernanke with another Zionist shill?l will he sing the same "fed" song over again only slightly pulling the curtain over the sheep disguising the "new" chairman? I highly doubt he will place ron paul as fed chair as the banks want nothing to do with a constitutionalist.
Just for clarity, 'I' didn't day that. I was quoting a poster from another forum in my OP. I'm sure you know that, but the quote balloon makes it seem otherwise.
sunsense
05-06-2012, 10:10 AM
This is a general comment, not aimed at anyone in this thread of the op.
Are you advertizing Ron Paul ?
Not just on forums, lists, facebooks, but out on the street. I have seen little to no Ron Paul outside the house. No signs, no flyers, no bumper stickers and no t-shirts.
This is what I do, and hope other people will do as well.
1) Put out yard signs (or at least carry them in your car so you can do a wave somewhere).
2) Buy at least one Ron Paul T-shirt, and wear it when you leave the house.
3) Buy bumper stickers. Put at least one on your car, or better still, one on each side so you can be seen from every direction.
4) Offer (don't give) to put bumper stickers on peoples cars. Carry a jug of water, a cleaning cloth that you can wet and a drying cloth. (NOTE: don't give bumper stickers away, They will just end up on someone's desk, drawer or on their wall).
5) Carry leaflets like the super brochure in your car (they are 7 cents each full color, double sided). When you get out of your car, get into the habit of putting some into your pocket so you are ready to give them to people if they show any positive recognition.
6) At any smile, comment, engage people. Show them the brochure. Ask them if you can put a Ron Paul sticker on their car for them. They can only say no.
Its really important to get Ron Paul's name out there especially with the continual media blackout.
This isn't just for this election. The cause of liberty goes on and on and just like Reagan is still pointed to, so will Ron Paul so the Ron Paul brochures, bumper stickers and t-shorts still push the small Government and Liberty message.
Get out there on the streets people !!!
Paul Or Nothing II
05-06-2012, 12:22 PM
Well, there's plenty of "soft support" for Paul from various political groups, how do you think he goes from10-15% to 45% or so against Obama???
And I've seen a few Romney supporters on various websites, trying to bait Paul-supporters by saying that "we" need to Obama & Romney isn't the same as Obama & that putting Paul on Fed should be Paul-supporters' aim now :rolleyes:
But we needn't freak out because of such people because most of the 10% that are with Paul are really with him & the rest will float around, we can't do much about that, other than to just tell them that ROMNEY IS OBAMA; so if they want Obama out then Romney isn't an option, he can't even beat Obama, Paul can because Paul attracts Indies & Dems with his pro-peace, pro-civil-liberties stances & he Obviously attracts many Republicans on fiscal-conservatism, less taxes, less regulation, free markets, etc so if they want to beat Obama then they should vote Paul because voting for Romney is like voting for Obama anyway
If Romney actually did appoint Paul as Fed chairman, of course I would support that.
Don't expect it to happen though.
Is this a joke? What's Paul going to do as Fed chairman? It's a useless position for Paul because you can't really "fix" anything but you can only screw things up that's why Paul wants to end it in the first place! And everyone would look up to him to "fix the economy" but Fed chairman ISN'T actually capable of doing that as such & things are only going to get worse & then the impending disaster would be blamed on Paul :(
It's appalling that any Paul-supporter will fall for "let's make Paul Fed chairman" tripe, it goes against the very understanding of why he's been speaking out about Fed
I completely agree. This person is either a troll OR he really just doesn't "get it". Cause if you really "get it" you wouldn't back down.
I agree, once you "get it" you can't "unget it" :D So it's either "soft support" or likely a Romney-troll
Ivash
05-06-2012, 12:56 PM
Seriously, guys, not everything is a conspiracy. The guy probably likes Dr. Paul, but won't crawl over glass to vote for him. He might think its completely over, and he doesn't like the President, so he'll support who he thinks the nominee is.
Not everyone is a hard core supporter. Every candidate needs soft supporters as well.
Travlyr
05-06-2012, 01:17 PM
Yeah, they are trying everything in the book. Once one understands that Ron Paul is a strict Constitutionalist and everyone else running is a strict Marxist, there is no turning back. Ron Paul is a great messenger and the only people turning away from his message are the privileged elite who will lose when the people win.
Of course Ron Paul has soft supporters. That is because they don't yet get Ron Paul's pure message. The oligarchy is stealing almost everybody's wealth.
"By this means government may secretly and unobserved, confiscate the wealth of the people, and not one man in a million will detect the theft." - Lord John Maynard Keynes, "Economic Consequences of Peace"
"In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold. The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the 'hidden' confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights." - Alan Greenspan, Gold and Economic Freedom
bunklocoempire
05-06-2012, 01:33 PM
My response to a Paul "supporter" jumping ship:
http://s6.postimage.org/l4fi3iovl/changehim.jpg
"Mitt doesn't beat me as bad as Obama does, and I'll be able to change him."
Yeah, right.
fearthereaperx
05-06-2012, 01:35 PM
I'm sure Paul would rather have Grant as FEd Chair than himself
thetruthhurtsthefed
05-06-2012, 09:19 PM
Just for clarity, 'I' didn't day that. I was quoting a poster from another forum in my OP. I'm sure you know that, but the quote balloon makes it seem otherwise.
Jay_dub. Nothing but respect. I knew what you were intending. It was more of a "possible" response to another ship jumper who quotes the same passage.
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