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QuickZ06
05-02-2012, 10:02 PM
Citizens you will comply. So now if you don't pay those red light tickets they can now shut off your utilities. Mayor Ken Miyagishima said the city isn't breaking any law.....never mind about those unconstitutional red light cameras :rolleyes:

Las Cruces leaders get heat for red light camera ticket policy
May 1, 2012

LAS CRUCES, N.M. —

It was a topic of discussion all the way up in Santa Fe during a meeting for the New Mexico Public Regulations Commission -- Las Crucens losing their utilities over unpaid traffic tickets Tuesday.

Some state leaders argued the city is just trying to find new ways to money and don't feel it's fair to the public.

"You turn off the utilities, some people can't afford to pay the bills," Las Cruces resident Richard Murillo said. "Utilities, water gas are on different category from the street lights."

Richard Murillo said he can't believe the city will turn off utilities for people with unpaid traffic tickets from the red light cameras in the city.

KFOX14 ran into Murillo as he was leaving City Hall on Tuesday after paying a traffic ticket from a red light camera.

Mayor Ken Miyagishima said the city isn't breaking any law.

"One of the things that we could've done, the city, a little better was to let the public know that we're only looking at probably the top 20 offenders," Miyagishima said.

Miyagishima said that only five letters were sent out to people with multiple red light camera traffic tickets at risk of losing their utilities and four have already responded.

"Well, that one person actually who hasn't responded already has the utilities turned off because apparently they left," Miyagishima said. "They left town."

Miyagishima said the letters go out to people with 20 or more tickets.

Each red light camera ticket will cost $100, then add on another $48 to have the utilities turned back on if they've been shut off by the city.

Miyagishima said the city doesn't expect people to pay the balance all at once, it just wants to be in contact with them and know the money is on the way.

The city is owed nearly $2 million in unpaid traffic tickets.

No one so far has actually had their utilities turned off because of the tickets.


Article here.
http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/news/las-cruces-leaders-get-heat-red-light-camera-ticke/nNN7b/

Warrior_of_Freedom
05-02-2012, 10:19 PM
The city is owed nearly $2 million in unpaid traffic tickets.
Owed? The people operating these red light cameras need to go to jail. They purposely cut the yellow light short where I live so people run the light, then hit them with a $140 dollar ticket. It causes accidents and deaths.

Titus
05-02-2012, 10:20 PM
This is just wrong. It is debtor's prison, although there is some disagreement on that point. That is of course setting aside the sixth, fourth and possible first and fifth amendment issues with this. First amendment is a bit of a stretch but still this is just wrong. I hope to get on city council in a few years to get rid of these things.

ETA: In California, we have minimum yellow lengths but the catch is no one can prove how long the yellow was or wasn't on the day in question but for RedFlex/ATS who says they complied.

QuickZ06
05-03-2012, 10:56 AM
Bump!

oyarde
05-03-2012, 11:01 AM
What a dipshit that guy is to even think of that , he should be grateful I do not reside near him , I could see he may experience some utility problems ...

azxd
05-03-2012, 11:20 AM
Vote to remove them ... All of them !!!
We had them on the freeway system for speeding, and they cost plenty to install and then remove.

People need to understand their rights, which might be different in that town, but here, unless served, the ticket became invalid after a period of time ... Sending it by mail was an additional waste of tax dollars, because people could ignore the ticket.

invisible
05-03-2012, 01:49 PM
And what do you want to bet that this is another of those towns or cities that it is "illegal" to not have utilities because it is a "housing code violation"? This of course results in an additional fine, so the town or city gets additional revenue as well as the state.

Anti Federalist
05-03-2012, 02:01 PM
And the noose slips a little tighter.

thoughtomator
05-03-2012, 02:10 PM
funny, they're trying to collect taxes doing this in Greece - result, people are going without utilities

RickyJ
05-03-2012, 02:18 PM
The solution to red light cameras is a good shot, camera gone. :D

When they have to pay more money for the new cameras then they collect in tickets from them they will stop it voluntarily.

Anti Federalist
05-03-2012, 02:27 PM
funny, they're trying to collect taxes doing this in Greece - result, people are going without utilities

Which, in Amerika, means that CPS will take your children away.

RickyJ
05-03-2012, 02:37 PM
Which, in Amerika, means that CPS will take your children away.

Which means they will get lead poisoning.

All these attempts from the parasite class to steal from the working class can only lead to a revolution.

John F Kennedy III
05-03-2012, 03:05 PM
And instead of actually doing anything about it the sheeple will allow this bullshit to actually happen. Protest. March on the capital. Gather together and take the cameras down yourselves. If they shut off your utilities then refuse to pay your ticket. Sue them. Do whatever you need to do to show them you are NOT THEIR SLAVES.

John F Kennedy III
05-03-2012, 03:07 PM
Which means they will get lead poisoning.

All these attempts from the parasite class to steal from the working class can only lead to a revolution.

And one or two dozen vaccine shots within a week and on 7 different meds inside of a month. Yeah they state isn't trying to breed zombies at all :rolleyes:

DamianTV
05-03-2012, 03:14 PM
I guess its now illegal to be poor.

Anti Federalist
05-03-2012, 03:23 PM
I guess its now illegal to be poor.

It's been illegal to be poor for a long time now.

The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.

Thor
05-03-2012, 03:33 PM
Miyagishima said that only five letters were sent out to people with multiple red light camera traffic tickets at risk of losing their utilities and four have already responded.

"Well, that one person actually who hasn't responded already has the utilities turned off because apparently they left," Miyagishima said. "They left town."


One person was smart!

2young2vote
05-03-2012, 04:13 PM
It would be interesting to put an automatic license plate on your car. So if you do happen to be in a situation where you are forced to run a red light then you just press a button while you are going through and a fake license plate lowers to cover your real one. Then, after a few seconds, you press it again to raise it back and reveal your real one. It would be tricky to make it so they couldn't detect it while looking.

oyarde
05-04-2012, 10:42 AM
And what do you want to bet that this is another of those towns or cities that it is "illegal" to not have utilities because it is a "housing code violation"? This of course results in an additional fine, so the town or city gets additional revenue as well as the state. Ah , yes , additional theft ...

oyarde
05-04-2012, 10:46 AM
Which, in Amerika, means that CPS will take your children away. Yes , time to arm the children :)

The Free Hornet
05-04-2012, 11:16 AM
And what do you want to bet that this is another of those towns or cities that it is "illegal" to not have utilities because it is a "housing code violation"? This of course results in an additional fine, so the town or city gets additional revenue as well as the state.

True but they may be going down an expensive litigous road that the city may lose. Chances are they don't want their people setting up generators, water collectors, solar panels, windmills, septic fields, mesh networking (or just bury a cheap network cable two inches into the dirt between neighbors - $50 might get you several hundred feet of connectivity), and trash burning.

What I find most ironic is the progressives that demand government run utilities specifically because this is the type of extortionist behavior they think a private company - monopoly or otherwise - would engage in. Most private concerns would not be this stupid.