National socialist JT Ready invades home kills 3 then self ???

[talkingpointes]

http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2012/05/02/20120502gilbert-shooting-multiple-victims-abrk.html

"A border militia leader on Wednesday shot and killed four people at a Gilbert home, including a toddler, before committing suicide, sources said.
Sources identified the shooter as Jason "J.T." Ready, a reputed neo-Nazi who made headlines when he launched a militia movement to patrol the Arizona desert to hunt for illegal immigrants and drug smugglers.

Sad, so very sad. What a piece of trash, why did he have to do this? Anyone have anymore information on this?

[JebSanderson]

This is just an anti-neonazi and anti-militia hit piece.

[RiseAgainst]

This is just an anti-neonazi and anti-militia hit piece.

You have become a caricature of yourself Jeb.

[Anti Federalist]

MKULTRA

[FindLiberty]

Why can't these killers START with themselves?

[Tod]

I remember that guy from a video of the Occupy protests:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPOPzjWNrG0

He had problems being in the military and then ran for some office and lost...

[DerailingDaTrain]

This is just an anti-neonazi and anti-militia hit piece.

Sarcasm?

[Danke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv_jiu3rRVo

[Danke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa3jgT55pbg&feature=endscreen&NR=1

[DerailingDaTrain]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa3jgT55pbg&feature=endscreen&NR=1

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[donnay]

Four dead in Phoenix shooting

A gunman, identified by local media as a prominent border militia leader and a reputed neo-Nazi, shot dead four people including a toddler girl in Arizona on Wednesday before apparently committing suicide, police said.

The gunman opened fire at a house in Gilbert, a suburb of Phoenix, Gilbert Police Sergeant Bill Balafas said. He could not immediately confirm the identity of the gunman.

The Arizona Republic newspaper, citing unnamed police sources, identified the suspected shooter as Jason "JT" Ready, a reputed neo-Nazi who founded the US Border Guard, a militia that hunts for drug traffickers near the Mexican border.

The youngest victim, a girl of between 1 and 2 years old, was still alive at the scene, but later died in a hospital, Balafas said. The other dead were two men and two women. Police believe the shooter was among the dead.

Police found the bodies of two of the adults outside the home and those of the other two adults and the child inside.

Officers recovered two handguns and a shotgun from the scene. However, Balafas said police had been unable to search the house, and confirm the identities of the dead after an unknown liquid was found in two 55-gallon drums outside the house.

"Right now, we have a hold up because we have a potential hazardous chemical situation," Balafas said.

Investigators subsequently found some "munitions" in the house, and called in federal officers to deal with the items, Balafas said.

He declined to comment on whether Ready, who earlier this year set up an exploratory committee to run for the office of sheriff in Arizona's Pinal County, was among the dead.

Balafas said officers were interviewing a witness to the shooting, which investigators believe stemmed from a "domestic situation."

A Facebook page entitled "JT Ready for Sheriff" carried a message from the administrator noting unconfirmed reports that "a cartel assassination squad murdered JT Ready and several of his friends and family this afternoon in Gilbert Arizona."

A Reuters witness saw a black Chevrolet Impala with specialised number plate with the letters "USBG" on it parked outside the home.

A call to the US Border Guard group seeking comment late on Wednesday went unanswered.

Local resident Scott Kirkwood, 43, said neighbours were shocked by the shooting at the home, which he believed was occupied by a family.

"Everyone is shocked and concerned. Nothing like this ever happens in this neighbourhood. It's usually very quiet," he said.

"I heard sirens pulling up in my backyard. When I went to investigate, there was like 30 cop cars, five ambulances, a fire truck, a SWAT team, the whole nine yards - it was just blanketing the neighbourhood," he added.

- Reuters (http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/6854374/Four-dead-in-Phoenix-shooting)

[Liberty_Mike]

JT Ready was a big named guy in the neo-nazi movement. He was the one who stirred up all the controversy by getting together with a group of armed people to enforce the boarders down in Arizona. Pretty crazy story here.

[Anti Federalist]

MKULTRA

[Liberty_Mike]

In no way do I support Ready's message of white supremacy and intolerance, but I do have to say this story sounds fishy. Kind of hard to belive he'd kill someone then committ suicide if he was wearing body armor and carrying multiple weapons.

[dannno]

A Facebook page entitled "JT Ready for Sheriff" carried a message from the administrator noting unconfirmed reports that "a cartel assassination squad murdered JT Ready and several of his friends and family this afternoon in Gilbert Arizona."


Orly...

[dannno]

bump

[donnay]

I noticed how the corporate news whores are trying to demonize militias once again, and equate them to Neo-Nazisim. :rolleyes: Typical Southern Poverty Law Center's MO.

Of course this is on the heels of the Arizona bill to ban the UN Agenda 21 throughout the state.

[jmdrake]

Why can't these killers START with themselves?

+rep

[jmdrake]

In no way do I support Ready's message of white supremacy and intolerance, but I do have to say this story sounds fishy. Kind of hard to belive he'd kill someone then committ suicide if he was wearing body armor and carrying multiple weapons.

Good points.

[jmdrake]

I remember that guy from a video of the Occupy protests:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPOPzjWNrG0

He had problems being in the military and then ran for some office and lost...

So supposedly he's a "neo-nazi" yet he's there protesting with the occupy movement? The sum of all big government fears, the far left and the far right teaming up together against the big bankers and the "public servants" that serve them.

[JebSanderson]

I noticed how the corporate news whores are trying to demonize militias once again, and equate them to Neo-Nazisim. :rolleyes: Typical Southern Poverty Law Center's MO.

Of course this is on the heels of the Arizona bill to ban the UN Agenda 21 throughout the state.

Obviously anyone who values their right to bear arms and opposes illegal immigration also has a shrine to Hitler in their bedroom.

[dannno]

A Facebook page entitled "JT Ready for Sheriff" carried a message from the administrator noting unconfirmed reports that "a cartel assassination squad murdered JT Ready and several of his friends and family this afternoon in Gilbert Arizona."


Orly...


Any updates? Anything to the posting perhaps? Did he and his family really get murdered by the "cartel assassination team" or did he shoot a bunch of people and commit suicide?? Was it his family that was murdered? Did it all happen at the same location the media is describing?

Did the FBI or CIA assassinate him and place his body at the scene of this shooting so they could blame it on neo-nazis?

[azxd]

MKULTRA


In no way do I support Ready's message of white supremacy and intolerance, but I do have to say this story sounds fishy. Kind of hard to belive he'd kill someone then committ suicide if he was wearing body armor and carrying multiple weapons.AF gave you the answer :rolleyes:

[PatriotOne]

MKULTRA

Or Option 2:

Gov. Assassins murdered both JT Ready and the family but blame it on JT Ready to demonize the militia. MK Ultra is always a possibilty though in this kind of murderous situation. Especially if they commit suicide after killing others. Dead men can't be diagnosed with mind control (such as Sirhan Sirhan, right?). More info needed on this JT Ready person.

[kuckfeynes]

If you spend your time at the border trying to stop people who are trying to conduct business on the black market, you can expect something bad will probably happen to you. If I had to draw up a conspiracy, I'd say it was the cartel that staged the hit, and the government/media just seized the opportunity to trash the militia movement. Although I suppose since Fast & Furious the difference between the two is less distinct.

Still sad. Explorations in Nazism aside, he was willing to exercise his constitutional rights to a degree that most are not, and that in itself is a loss for freedom. I just have a really hard time believing that someone who spoke with that kind of force and conviction (misguided as it may have been), is the same sort of person who would kill himself and his family without a hint of explanation.

[oyarde]

Something is fishy , who kills a toddler ? A professional ? Cartel or Govt?

[Inkblots]

MKULTRA

Um, Anti Federalist, you do know that, from time to time throughout human history, people have done terrible things to themselves and others, right? Including long before modern intelligence programs. Why do you always assume everything is a government conspiracy in the absence of any evidence? Former soldiers can frequently have severe and violent mental illness - it's one of the many reasons I oppose sending our troops into warfare so casually.

This is a terrible tragedy. I will pray for the repose of the soul of that family.

[dannno]

Um, Anti Federalist, you do know that, from time to time throughout human history, people have done terrible things to themselves and others, right? Including long before modern intelligence programs. Why do you always assume everything is a government conspiracy in the absence of any evidence?

This is a terrible tragedy. I will pray for the repose of the soul of that family.

....but in this case it appears that JT Ready and others may have been assassinated by a cartel hit squad.

Since the cartel hit squad is in cahootz with the FBI, they probably had somebody plant a gun on JT so the media would demonize their opposition, the militia.

That is my official conspiracy theory and I'm stickin to it.

[Domalais]

Why do you always assume everything is a government conspiracy in the absence of any evidence?

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/conspiracy_theories.png

[Muwahid]

Um, Anti Federalist, you do know that, from time to time throughout human history, people have done terrible things to themselves and others, right? Including long before modern intelligence programs. Why do you always assume everything is a government conspiracy in the absence of any evidence? Former soldiers can frequently have severe and violent mental illness - it's one of the many reasons I oppose sending our troops into warfare so casually.

This is a terrible tragedy. I will pray for the repose of the soul of that family.

You'll never convince them.

[DerailingDaTrain]

Obviously anyone who values their right to bear arms and opposes illegal immigration also has a shrine to Hitler in their bedroom.

No..this guy is a socialist and a neo-nazi. It's a fact.

There is no conspiracy. His neo-nazi socialist friends are trying to cover for him and say that he was killed by a "cartel hit squad". Why? He never did anything to even remotely have an effect on their business. He's a sicko who murdered a toddler and then blew his brains out.

[JebSanderson]

No..this guy is a socialist and a neo-nazi. It's a fact.

There is no conspiracy. His neo-nazi socialist friends are trying to cover for him and say that he was killed by a "cartel hit squad". Why? He never did anything to even remotely have an effect on their business. He's a sicko who murdered a toddler and then blew his brains out.

are you calling dannno a neonazi?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374778-I-Think-FBI-Agents-Assassinated-JT-Ready

[DerailingDaTrain]

are you calling dannno a neonazi?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374778-I-Think-FBI-Agents-Assassinated-JT-Ready

I'm calling the people on the FB page making up stories about "drug cartel hit squads" neo-nazis. It's in their best interest to make sure they don't look bad and since he was their candidate for Sheriff they made up some story about drug cartels murdering them so they could blame it on (guess who?) Mexicans. I think dannno is just suspicious because of the neighbor who noticed the truck and the FB page post. It's pretty clear at this point that he was a disturbed individual who murdered his ex-girlfriend and her family.

[ProIndividual]

Statism and nationalism are mental disroders that can lead to racism, another mental disorder.

National socialism (nazism) is just the left wing version of nationalism...not all left wingers are anti-gun. Thinking in only the context of TV is a total FAIL.

[PaulConventionWV]

MKULTRA

I was thinking the same thing.

[PaulConventionWV]

Statism and nationalism are mental disroders that can lead to racism, another mental disorder.

National socialism (nazism) is just the left wing version of nationalism...not all left wingers are anti-gun. Thinking in only the context of TV is a total FAIL.

And calling any "ism" a "mental disorder" is exactly the type of strategy the state has been using to illegitimize its opponents. Racsim is not a mental disorder. It's an opinion. The classifications of beliefs as "mental disorders" is just a way of making certain groups of people obsolete. This is exactly what the state has been using to illegitimize many of US. Don't fall into that mental trap. Classifications of mental disorders is purely a propaganda tool. It has no practical purpose, and there is simply no way to know what constitutes a "mental disorder" because there is no such thing as a "normal" human being because we are all different.

[anaconda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa3jgT55pbg&feature=endscreen&NR=1

"USA, USA USA!!!" is the same chant that one hears at Romney victory speeches.

[jmdrake]

I will once again raise my question that has been ignored by most. Why would a white supremacist be protesting with the "Occupy" movement? Is JT Ready really a really a white supremacist? Yeah, supposedly he's a "self proclaimed" white supremacist, but where is the proclamation? He had a Hispanic girlfriend. And where are his Nazi flags or tattoos?

Edit: Found them.

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/003536.html

That said, it looks like he was attempting to put the Nazi past behind him.

Ready then apparently renounced his membership in the National Socialist movement and in 2009 formed the group US Border Guards and Border Rangers based out of Arizona. Having covered immigration enforcement since 2003, I can tell you that I have no familiarity with this group. There have been tons of groups formed of border watchers and some of them are simply two or three people and do not represent the majority of border watchers that had vetting processes and did not call for violence only reporting to the Border Patrol when they spotted illegal activity of smuggling drugs or people.

I guess that doesn't matter? Once a neo-Nazi always a neo-Nazi? Using your 2nd amendment rights to stand up for the 1st amendment rights of people on the far left means nothing? Even dating (apparently) outside your race doesn't let people see you in possibly a different light?

[JebSanderson]

I will once again raise my question that has been ignored by most. Why would a white supremacist be protesting with the "Occupy" movement? Is JT Ready really a really a white supremacist? Yeah, supposedly he's a "self proclaimed" white supremacist, but where is the proclamation? He had a Hispanic girlfriend. And where are his Nazi flags or tatoos?

You can be a white supremacist Hispanic socialist with no Nazi tattoos.

[jmdrake]

You can be a white supremacist Hispanic socialist with no Nazi tattoos.

Anything is possible. Not everything is probable. And the evidence is that he distanced himself from the Nazi movement prior to 2009.

[JebSanderson]

Anything is possible. Not everything is probable. And the evidence is that he distanced himself from the Nazi movement prior to 2009.

It's not very improbable. There are actually many Hispanic white supremacists. I know quite a few actually.

[jmdrake]

It's not very improbable. There are actually many Hispanic white supremacists. I know quite a few actually.

And do they go around shooting or harassing Hispanic people? Anyway, like I said, he distanced himself from his Nazi past prior to 2009. But I guess that doesn't matter.

[JebSanderson]

And do they go around shooting or harassing Hispanic people? Anyway, like I said, he distanced himself from his Nazi past prior to 2009. But I guess that doesn't matter.

Hispanic doesn't mean anything racially. There are white Hispanics, black Hispanics, mestizo Hispanics, even Asian Hispanics. A white supremacist Hispanic would discriminate against the others.

[GeorgiaAvenger]

This is just an anti-neonazi and anti-militia hit piece.

I do not agree with the first part of that.

Neonazis should always be smacked down

[jmdrake]

Hispanic doesn't mean anything racially. There are white Hispanics, black Hispanics, mestizo Hispanics, even Asian Hispanics. A white supremacist Hispanic would discriminate against the others.

Well we're still going off the assumption that his girlfriend was white and we haven't seen any pictures. Most Hispanics in this country are not white. Yes I know there are blonde haired, blue eyed Hispanics.

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Now I remember him, he ran for Sheriff against Babeu.

[JebSanderson]

I do not agree with the first part of that.

Neonazis should always be smacked down

I don't even bother smacking them down, it's a waste of energy.

[Brian Coulter]

...

[presence]

Ok... on the CONSPIRACY subject....

since when do police need a SEARCH WARRANT to enter a building where they are aware of 5 dead bodies inside?


http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid49625183001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAABvZFMzE~,IXjx0MpOF 0pugpuviAwD9l3_WMhvmNP7&bctid=1618239705001

or were the Feds hiding something; manufacturing a crime scene.

[presence]

Why? He never did anything to even remotely have an effect on their business. He's a sicko who murdered a toddler and then blew his brains out.

He's responsible for the arrest of 40 cartel members (http://liberty.com/node/2731) and handed over at total of over 10,000 lbs of confiscated drugs to the police.

In that link is also a link to the video of JT at Occupy Phoenix w/ AR-15 exercising 2nd amendment rights to enforce free speech rights for protesters

That would give both the Feds and the Cartel reason to want him gone.
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[DerailingDaTrain]

He's responsible for the arrest of 40 cartel members (http://liberty.com/node/2731) and handed over at total of over 10,000 lbs of confiscated drugs to the police.

In that link is also a link to the video of JT at Occupy Phoenix w/ AR-15 exercising 2nd amendment rights to enforce free speech rights for protesters

That would give both the Feds and the Cartel reason to want him gone.
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BS

[pcosmar]

I don't know the guy.

But I do know better than to believe what the Media says about the guy. Or the SPLC/ADL.

I will believe he is dead,, though the circumstances of his death, or details of his life are likely to be grossly manipulated.

[specsaregood]

I do not agree with the first part of that.
Neonazis should always be smacked down

Just for the record; can you define "neonazi"? Cuz as far as I'm concerned that includes about 85% of the modern u.s..

[Domalais]

But I do know better than to believe what the Media says about the guy. Or the SPLC/ADL.

I will believe he is dead,, though the circumstances of his death, or details of his life are likely to be grossly manipulated.

Yeah.

When I want clear, factual news that isn't manipulated, I go straight to the Facebook pages of the friends of the people involved. What bias could they possibly have?!?

[pcosmar]

Yeah.

When I want clear, factual news that isn't manipulated, I go straight to the Facebook pages of the friends of the people involved. What bias could they possibly have?!?

Do you remember how the Hutaree were smeared? (They were acquitted after 2 years)

Do you remember the Media Smear campaign on "july4patriot" ?

Do you remember the Smear campaign on the Patriot Movement after the OKC False Flag ?
Branch Davidian's?
Julian Assange?

Etc.(a host of others)

It is standard M.O.

He might have done it,, just gone nuts.
Or it could have happened entirely differently.
The system protects the system.

[Domalais]

He might have done it,, just gone nuts.
Or it could have happened entirely differently.
The system protects the system.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/158/329/9189283.jpg

[ProIndividual]

And calling any "ism" a "mental disorder" is exactly the type of strategy the state has been using to illegitimize its opponents. Racsim is not a mental disorder. It's an opinion. The classifications of beliefs as "mental disorders" is just a way of making certain groups of people obsolete. This is exactly what the state has been using to illegitimize many of US. Don't fall into that mental trap. Classifications of mental disorders is purely a propaganda tool. It has no practical purpose, and there is simply no way to know what constitutes a "mental disorder" because there is no such thing as a "normal" human being because we are all different.

Oh really? So statism (which is the consequence of nationalism) is not a mental disorder? It's not mentally deficient to lack morality and seek to subjugate others on threats of, or actual, violence?

Funny, I thought sociopathy was a mental disorder...maybe that's just me.

See, not all -isms are philosophies...most are ideologies. Those ideologies that are based on sociopathic means (or have have sociopathic ends) are by definition mentally deficient. Philosophies have concise and consistent ethics, metaphysics, epistemologies, aesthetics, and logical arguments. Ideologies lack one or more of these criteria.

Nationalism leads to statism (hence nation-states), racism (hence why so many nationalist movements are race based), and any number of sadistic -isms. That is mental disorder at its worst.

To say racism is not a mental disorder, just an opinion, is to totally misunderstand what racism is. It's only present in those with serious mental problems, usually caused by abusive parenting (not necessarily physically). It can be caused as well by abuse in other formative situations (like developmental exposure to the wrong crowd, for example).

If you believe that blacks or Jews are fundamentally lesser than whites, or vice cersa, you have a mental problem and should seek help. All the psychological scar tissue in the world won't heal the wounds causing such thinking.

BTW...black and white fallacies in thinking is also a symptom of psychosis...a mental problem.

"Normal" is a range of behaviors, not thoughts. The expression of those thoughts are behaviors. Psychology doesn't study thought (that's impossible)...it studies behavior. If you spout racist nonsense, you aren't behaving in normal human range of socially acceptable behavior for our culture. When it was socially acceptable it was because the country suffered from a mass psychosis caused by nationalism...racism.

If you think mental disorders don't exist I'd suggest you speak with a few folks in mental hospitals. My brother has schizophrenia...he'd be glad to tell you some conspiracy theories (some of which involve race). He's pretty violent though, hence his incarceration.

Please don't lecture me on the state...I'm an anarchist; I'm pretty aware that the state uses nationalism to brainwash people via it's pseudo-religious symbols like flags, oaths, pledges, bird, etc.

I LOL@people who think mental disorders are a propaganda tool...and yet assert nationalism isn't.