May Day in Seattle getting violent

[JK/SEA]

There is a live video link at the KING TV site. Hope it works for you.

http://www.king5.com/

people dressed in black smashed windows at NIKE Town. Some cars damaged. Pepper sprayin, and tear gas ongoing.

[JebSanderson]

I prefer Kiro 7

[Indy Vidual]

Why violent?

[JK/SEA]

Why violent?

??

[dannno]

This is clearly being orchestrated by the govt. to discredit and have an excuse to crack down on the new wave of Occupy protests and such.

[angelatc]

Why violent?

That's how liberals roll.

[JebSanderson]

This is clearly being orchestrated by the govt. to discredit and have an excuse to crack down on the new wave of Occupy protests and such.

Or it could be a conspiracy by Q13 and KOMO4 to discredit King 5

[dannno]

That's how liberals roll.

That's how the government rolls.

There is not one instance of anarchists dressed in black clothes destroying shit like this that hasn't been linked back to intelligence agencies and/or police departments giving them protection.

[dannno]

Or it could be a conspiracy by Q13 and KOMO4 to discredit King 5

What you said doesn't make any sense.

What I said is the Modus Operandi for EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE INCIDENTS.

[teacherone]

There is not one instance of anarchists dressed in black clothes destroying shit like this that hasn't been linked back to intelligence agencies and/or police departments giving them protection.

ORLY? Is that a fact?

[NewRightLibertarian]

This is clearly being orchestrated by the govt. to discredit and have an excuse to crack down on the new wave of Occupy protests and such.

Yes, most likely this is the case. IMO, the government is working to both co-opt the movement and use it as an excuse to bring down martial law tyranny onto America

[Indy Vidual]

Looks pretty tame compared to the Greeks; Perhaps there is Hope For America.

[dannno]

ORLY? Is that a fact?

I've never recalled a time when there wasn't some link found.

You know what happened in Seattle during the WTO Protests back in the late 90s right?

The police allowed the violence, led solely by the black clothed anarchists to occur, then when the anarchist group was done and safely tucked away back in their police protected private establishment that they had confiscated from the owner by the police, the police went in and violently cracked down on the peaceful protesters.

In other cases the black clothed anarchist groups ALWAYS have a government agent that is uncovered at some point.

[angelatc]

I've never recalled a time when there wasn't some link found.

You don't live in or near Detroit.

[Captain Shays]

This is clearly being orchestrated by the govt. to discredit and have an excuse to crack down on the new wave of Occupy protests and such.

I was at the Ralph Nader rally at Madison Square Garden back in 1999. There was an overhead TV in the middle of the arena hanging from the ceiling with screens on four saides so everyone could see what was on them. At one point they were playing video from the WTO protest in Seattle back in 1996 (?). The way the mainstream media had played it anarchists wearing black hoods and masks started all the violence protesting globalization. Trash cans were thrown through windows, cars set on fire. Fights with cops. Breaking windows and looting. All the normal violent WTO protest sort of stuff.

But what the media didn't show was what was shown on those four big screens in the Garden that night. Protesters on one side of a barrier. Cops on the other. Chanting in the background as a nice younget woman and her boyfriend were talking to one of the cops. It seemed like a very pleasant conversation where the girls was telling the cop that these protesters didn't want any trouble and were committed to non violence. As he and his cop buddies were all lined up on that side of the barrier dressed in all their SWAT night out garb he responded that he's never hurt anyone and he's not into violence either.

Then a little while later, the chants got louder and that same cop was slapping his night stick against his hand in a very intimidating manner and telling those same people "I know how to cause a lot of pain. I know how to hurt people. I like to hurt people. Do you want to get hurt today"? Then out of nowhere. I MEAN nowhere. (I know that I am somewhat biased but NOT in this case. This is EXACTLY how it happened) he shoved his night stick into that girl pushing her back intot he crowd with so much force that it pushed people three rows back. Her boyfriend acting naturally by trying to put his hand between the stick and his loved one was prmptly smashed over his head by that same cop and then another cop hit him too causing blood to splatter and him to go unconscious. Then all hell broke loose.

THAT folks is how all the violence started in Seattle years ago at the WTO protests. There were 23,000 peoplle at the GArden that night and we ALL saw it.

REMEMBER this when the media shows you fottage of violent "anarchists" committing violence, looting and setting cars on fire

[Lafayette]

Agent provocateurs

[Tod]

You don't live in or near Detroit.

Wouldn't those simply be your garden variety looters?

[JebSanderson]

What you said doesn't make any sense.

What I said is the Modus Operandi for EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE INCIDENTS.

Sorry my mistake, KOMO4 would never work with Q13, there's too much animosity between them. It's more likely to be a CW11/KOMO4 conspiracy.

[Brian4Liberty]

Happening in SF-Oakland too:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374456-Senseless-destruction-in-San-Francisco-ongoing

[dannno]

Sorry my mistake, KOMO4 would never work with Q13, there's too much animosity between them. It's more likely to be a CW11/KOMO4 conspiracy.

Which group is getting the police escorts?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374456-Senseless-destruction-in-San-Francisco-ongoing

[dannno]

Sorry my mistake, KOMO4 would never work with Q13, there's too much animosity between them. It's more likely to be a CW11/KOMO4 conspiracy.


Which group is getting the police escorts?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374456-Senseless-destruction-in-San-Francisco-ongoing
..

"It looked like police were escorting them," Kostelni said. "They didn't stop them."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/01/BAQF1OBH55.DTL#ixzz1teoto5L8

[JebSanderson]

Which group is getting the police escorts?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374456-Senseless-destruction-in-San-Francisco-ongoing

Well if they're in bed with the cops it must be KONG6/16 or KCTS9. I always felt like those two would be in bed with the cops.

[dannno]

Well if they're in bed with the cops it must be KONG6/16 or KCTS9. I always felt like those two would be in bed with the cops.

So essentially you're admitting that even in the face of plain evidence you are going to continue to defend the establishment with your silly mockings.

What did the establishment ever do for you?

[JebSanderson]

So essentially you're admitting that even in the face of plain evidence you are going to continue to defend the establishment with your silly mockings.

What did the establishment ever do for you?

How am I defending the establishment?

[JK/SEA]

Will need evidence of any 'agent provacateurs' in this case in Seattle. Otherwise, its just political discussion with opinions.

[JebSanderson]

Will need evidence of any 'agent provacateurs' in this case in Seattle. Otherwise, its just political discussion with opinions.

I'm sure Denis Bounds and Jene Enerson have proof.

[dannno]

Will need evidence of any 'agent provacateurs' in this case in Seattle. Otherwise, its just political discussion with opinions.

No. That's like looking outside and seeing that it is raining, then turning on the TV to make sure the weatherman says it is raining before putting on a rain jacket.

They do this EVERY GOD DAMN TIME. If you don't know that, you're not paying attention.

BTW, did you read about the cops escorting the vandals in San Francisco today??

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374456-Senseless-destruction-in-San-Francisco-ongoing

[dannno]

How am I defending the establishment?

Appeal to ridicule.

http://changingminds.org/disciplines/argument/fallacies/fallacies_alpha.htm

[JebSanderson]

Appeal to ridicule.

http://changingminds.org/disciplines/argument/fallacies/fallacies_alpha.htm

Where was I ridiculing anything?

[No Free Beer]

It could be government. It could be Soros. It could be every day people who are angry.

Regardless, we knew this was coming.

The world is changing.

[JK/SEA]

No. That's like looking outside and seeing that it is raining, then turning on the TV to make sure the weatherman says it is raining before putting on a rain jacket.

They do this EVERY GOD DAMN TIME. If you don't know that, you're not paying attention.

BTW, did you read about the cops escorting the vandals in San Francisco today??

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?374456-Senseless-destruction-in-San-Francisco-ongoing

i'm not denying that 'set-ups' happen, i just think there needs to be more focused strategy to get evidence. Eliminate any doubt. More video evidence would be nice.

[angelatc]

Wouldn't those simply be your garden variety looters?

No for the holidays they go all out. For example, Halloween means "set things on fire!"

[angelatc]

Will need evidence of any 'agent provacateurs' in this case in Seattle. Otherwise, its just political discussion with opinions.

At this phase of my life, I won't be surprised either way.

[Brian4Liberty]

How's Seattle? SF has a couple of idiots who want to attack people with bricks from roof tops.

[dannno]

How's Seattle? SF has a couple of idiots who want to attack people with bricks from roof tops.

That's rough. I recently got hit with the equivalent of a brick that fell about 8 or 9 feet before striking me in the back... felt like somebody hit me as hard as they could with a baseball bat. Luckily there doesn't appear to be any permanent injury.

[Brian4Liberty]

That's rough. I recently got hit with the equivalent of a brick that fell about 8 or 9 feet before striking me in the back... felt like somebody hit me as hard as they could with a baseball bat. Luckily there doesn't appear to be any permanent injury.

No doubt that hurts. They were bringing in a stretcher for someone that got hit.

[DerailingDaTrain]

I've never recalled a time when there wasn't some link found.

You know what happened in Seattle during the WTO Protests back in the late 90s right?

The police allowed the violence, led solely by the black clothed anarchists to occur, then when the anarchist group was done and safely tucked away back in their police protected private establishment that they had confiscated from the owner by the police, the police went in and violently cracked down on the peaceful protesters.

In other cases the black clothed anarchist groups ALWAYS have a government agent that is uncovered at some point.

Crimethinc is an anarchist website. Many of the members were at those protests and took part in what you describe. They take full credit for doing it and do not apologize for it. Are you saying they are lying? I'm sure they'd get pissed at you for saying all of what they consider to be their greatest accomplishments against the government and the police state were actually carried out by the government and the police state.

[dannno]

Crimethinc is an anarchist website. Many of the members were at those protests and took part in what you describe. They take full credit for doing it and do not apologize for it. Are you saying they are lying? I'm sure they'd get pissed at you for saying all of what they consider to be their greatest accomplishments against the government and the police state were actually carried out by the government and the police state.

I'm saying their organizations is run by the Feds and the members aren't philosophical anarchists.

The entire point is to discredit anybody who is anti-government while simultaneously giving the establishment permission to aggress against all non-violent protesters.

It's pretty simple. If they want to be pissed at me for being pissed at them for ruining everything, then that's fine.

[JebSanderson]

I'm saying their organizations is run by the Feds and the members aren't philosophical anarchists.

The entire point is to discredit anybody who is anti-government while simultaneously giving them permission to aggress against all non-violent protesters.

It's pretty simple.

You keep talking about "philosophical anarchists". Wtf is that?

[DerailingDaTrain]

I'm saying their organizations is run by the Feds and the members aren't philosophical anarchists.

The entire point is to discredit anybody who is anti-government while simultaneously giving the establishment permission to aggress against all non-violent protesters.

It's pretty simple. If they want to be pissed at me for being pissed at them for ruining everything, then that's fine.

No. I'll give you another example. Luke R. of WeAreChange (you know the 9/11 truth group?) was at the G20 meeting in Pittsburgh with the anarchists and he never said anything about FBI agents or the government infiltrating. Is he a government agent too?

[dannno]

No. I'll give you another example. Luke R. of WeAreChange (you know the 9/11 truth group?) was at the G20 meeting in Pittsburgh with the anarchists and he never said anything about FBI agents or the government infiltrating. Is he a government agent too?

I'm sorry, but if you don't know for certain that that group is over-run with government agents, then you don't pay ANY ATTENTION to the agenda or how they operate it.

Any group advocating violence is over-run with government agents. It is the modus operandi.

[dannno]

You keep talking about "philosophical anarchists". Wtf is that?

Somebody who believes in NAP.

Obviously people breaking other people's property don't believe in NAP.

[ryanmkeisling]

You keep talking about "philosophical anarchists". Wtf is that?
It is someone who lives in accordance with anarchist principles, rather than a poseur who claims to be an anarchist, yet happily lives within the confines of the centralized authority...

Much of the MsM is staged, a dog and pony act, Ron Paul has been pointing this out for years. There is no left/right, only government. Ron Paul has been telling us that since 1988. Why anyone believes anything they see on the TV is beyond me...

[DerailingDaTrain]

I'm sorry, but if you don't know for certain that that group is over-run with government agents, then you don't pay ANY ATTENTION to the agenda or how they operate it.

Any group advocating violence is over-run with government agents. It is the modus operandi.

Some groups advocating violence are over-run with government agents. Yes, but not to do what you are saying.