Alabama man beaten by mob "for Trayvon".

[xFiFtyOnE]

http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/23/man-beaten-mob-critical-condition-ar-3659891/?referer=http://m.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwkrg.com%2Far%2F3659891%2F%3F fb_comment_id%3Dfbc_10150785619088987_22470329_101 50785684613987&h=hAQGDjASC&shorturl=http://bit.ly/JsDGsx

http://thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/matthew-owens-e1335230852514.jpg

[xFiFtyOnE]

Just got it Drudged aswell!

[RickyJ]

Imagine how bad the riots will be when Zimmerman is acquitted. The media knows what they are doing. They can make some people do what they want them to do just by saying the right thing night after night on the boob tube.

[shane77m]

I haven't heard this one. Stupid media for stirring all of this up.

[Cowlesy]

He should sue every single media outlet who runs the picture of cute little Trayvon at 8 years old.

You all knew this was going to happen. You can't contain the mob.

This was on the Justice for Trayvon page.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/562206_302365659839338_278155035593734_662138_8398 88853_n.jpg

I mean, REALLY?

[phill4paul]

He should sue every single media outlet who runs the picture of cute little Trayvon at 8 years old.

You all knew this was going to happen. You can't contain the mob.

This was on the Justice for Trayvon page.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/562206_302365659839338_278155035593734_662138_8398 88853_n.jpg

I mean, REALLY?

:eek: How many stereotypes and inaccuracies can one throw into a painting?

[ShaneEnochs]

I don't understand the whole thing. At least dozens of people are shot every day in the United States. How did this story blow up in front of everyone else's?

[shane77m]

I don't understand the whole thing. At least dozens of people are shot every day in the United States. How did this story blow up in front of everyone else's?

My belief is that it is all part of the agenda. Divide and conquer. Provide more ammo for the gun control crowd.

[DerailingDaTrain]

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Nevermind

[Brian4Liberty]

Imagine how bad the riots will be when Zimmerman is acquitted. The media knows what they are doing. They can make some people do what they want them to do just by saying the right thing night after night on the boob tube.

Just today, CNN has been advertising repeats of a Rodney King special and replaying the infamous Rodney King beating video. The MSM would never use race for political agendas... :rolleyes:

‘Race and Rage’ – CNN’s Don Lemon Talks with Rodney King 20 Years Later (http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/28/%E2%80%98race-and-rage%E2%80%99-%E2%80%93-cnn%E2%80%99s-don-lemon-talks-with-rodney-king-20-years-later-2/)

[r3volution]

dp

[QuickZ06]

Seems the media got exactly what they wanted....race war. Disgusting.

[Shredmonster]

They are trying to start one. Human beings just getting worse. Country is losing its values and morals. No coming back once this happens.

They are so stupid. Blacks 12% of this country. Any idea how many hispanics and whites ? Really want a race war do you ?

[Feeding the Abscess]

They are trying to start one. Human beings just getting worse. Country is losing its values and morals. No coming back once this happens.

They are so stupid. Blacks 12% of this country. Any idea how many hispanics and whites ? Really want a race war do you ?

Violent crime is actually dropping, and has done so for a couple decades now. Mind you, this is with the government trying to reclassify nonviolent crimes as violent.

You're falling for the diversion and division tactics.

[youngbuck]

News report says he's in critical condition... he could very well die at this point.

[Sola_Fide]

Can you imagine how much the Stormfront boards are buzzing right now?

[QuickZ06]

Violent crime is actually dropping, and has done so for a couple decades now. Mind you, this is with the government trying to reclassify nonviolent crimes as violent.

You're falling for the diversion and division tactics.

Exactly.

[JebSanderson]

My belief is that it is all part of the agenda. Divide and conquer. Provide more ammo for the gun control crowd.

That's how the establishment always works. Easier to control people when they think they're fighting against something and they stick to "their kind". That's why we have the two party system, people think they've voting against the other party, but they're voting for the exact same policies!

[qh4dotcom]

So how come Obama is not responsible and does not have to answer for the actions of his supporters? The media would be crucifying Ron Paul if one of his supporters beat up a man like that.

[BlackTerrel]

Wow. This is awful. I pray the guy makes it through.

[JebSanderson]

Can you imagine how much the Stormfront boards are buzzing right now?

My account there got banned.

[BlackTerrel]

Seems the media got exactly what they wanted....race war. Disgusting.

If the media wanted a race war wouldn't they make this a front page news story... it's not.


Just got it Drudged aswell!

So who wants a race war?

Why is it wrong to publicize the Trayvon case but it's somehow good to publicize this case?


Can you imagine how much the Stormfront boards are buzzing right now?

I'm sure they're buzzing like the Black Panthers were buzzing. Who gives a shit?

[BlackTerrel]

So how come Obama is not responsible and does not have to answer for the actions of his supporters? The media would be crucifying Ron Paul if one of his supporters beat up a man like that.

Oh man I hate this forum every time some event like this happens.

What is the evidence that any of these idiots were Obama supporters? Somehow I doubt these guys are very politically active. What do you want - Obama to apologize every time a black person does something stupid?

[qh4dotcom]

Oh man I hate this forum every time some event like this happens.

What is the evidence that any of these idiots were Obama supporters? Somehow I doubt these guys are very politically active. What do you want - Obama to apologize every time a black person does something stupid?

I'm tired of the double standards...candidates should not be held responsible for the actions of their supporters...but since the media doesn't get it, it's time to give them a taste of their own medicine.

[BlackTerrel]

I'm tired of the double standards...candidates should not be held responsible for the actions of their supporters...but since the media doesn't get it, it's time to give them a taste of their own medicine.

What is the evidence that any of these people were Obama supporters?

[cstarace]

Well, the media made this into a racial issue, and they got what they wanted. What the fuck is a "white Hispanic", exactly?


My account there got banned.
Why bother creating one to begin with?

[JebSanderson]

Well, the media made this into a racial issue, and they got what they wanted. What the fuck is a "white Hispanic", exactly?

A white person of Hispanic (Spanish) decent. Here are some examples of "white Hispanics"

Alexis Bledel - Mexican and Argentinian
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/AlexisBledelSept11TIFF.jpg/327px-AlexisBledelSept11TIFF.jpg

Andy Garcia - Cuban
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Andy_Garcia_at_the_2009_Deauville_American_Film_Fe stival-01A.jpg/180px-Andy_Garcia_at_the_2009_Deauville_American_Film_Fe stival-01A.jpg

Vincente Fox - Former President of Mexico
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Sunic-RaceII_files/fox-vicente.jpg

Dulce Maria - Mexican singer
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/quiz/503000/503505_1291140835346_300_400.jpg

They all seem pretty "white" to me.


Why bother creating one to begin with?

lol, I was joking. But if I did create one, one of two things would happen:
a) I'd be banned within an hour
b) I'd end up with a shaven head and a swastika tattoo on my neck

Neither sounds much fun

[cstarace]

I'm not sure Zimmerman qualifies. And his suit fits even more poorly than Ron's do.

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2012/0420-george-zimmerman-social-justice.jpg/12338791-1-eng-US/0420-george-zimmerman-social-justice.jpg_full_600.jpg

[QuickZ06]

If the media wanted a race war wouldn't they make this a front page news story... it's not.


Possibly, but they do seem to be pretty occupied with the news about the kardashians getting 3 more years on TV and 40million :rolleyes:

I know this is more of a side show to keep the 'average American" out of the loop on the REAL issues but the media pushed really hard to say this was a WHITE MAN on BLACK KID crime.

[qh4dotcom]

What is the evidence that any of these people were Obama supporters?

Same evidence the media gives when they hold Ron Paul responsible for the actions of his supporters.

[Feeding the Abscess]

A white person of Hispanic (Spanish) decent. Here are some examples of "white Hispanics"

Alexis Bledel - Mexican and Argentinian
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/AlexisBledelSept11TIFF.jpg/327px-AlexisBledelSept11TIFF.jpg

Andy Garcia - Cuban
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Andy_Garcia_at_the_2009_Deauville_American_Film_Fe stival-01A.jpg/180px-Andy_Garcia_at_the_2009_Deauville_American_Film_Fe stival-01A.jpg

Vincente Fox - Former President of Mexico
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Sunic-RaceII_files/fox-vicente.jpg

Dulce Maria - Mexican singer
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/quiz/503000/503505_1291140835346_300_400.jpg

They all seem pretty "white" to me.



lol, I was joking. But if I did create one, one of two things would happen:
a) I'd be banned within an hour
b) I'd end up with a shaven head and a swastika tattoo on my neck

Neither sounds much fun

Hispanic is a cultural marker, not a racial or ethnic one. A member of literally any race can be Hispanic. Racially, all of those people are probably Caucasian.

[The Free Hornet]

What is the evidence that any of these people were Obama supporters?


Witnesses, including Owens sister, say 20 black people attacked Owens with pipes, paint cans and chairs.

http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/23/83/man-beaten-mob-critical-condition-ar-3659891/

In a different thread, I asked if you believed in Blackstone's ratio. You made it clear you did not:


No I don't. So you're saying you arrest 11 people and you know that ten of them are murderers and one is innocent but you have no way of knowing which is which. So in this hypothetical. The options are:

1. Convict 10 murderer and 1 innocent. 1 innocent life ruined.

2. Release 10 murderers and 1 innocent. The murderers on average will likely kill at least 1 more time. So ten innocent lives ruined.

I'll take #1.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?372938-George-Zimmermann-loses-his-2nd-amendment-rights&p=4372923&viewfull=1#post4372923

10% chance of not being guilty wasn't sufficient for you.


Fully 96 percent of black voters supported Obama...
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15297.html

If 20 black people attacked this guy and if there is a 4% chance of each NOT being an Obama supporter, what are the odds that none were Obama supporters???

(0.04)^20 = 1.1E-28 = 0.00000000000000000000000000011 AKA pretty much zero.

10% chance of being guilty is sufficient to send someone to jail but lord forbid if these attackers are wrongly - by some statistical miracle - called Obama supporters. :rolleyes:

[Sullivan*]

I'm not sure Zimmerman qualifies. And his suit fits even more poorly than Ron's do.

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2012/0420-george-zimmerman-social-justice.jpg/12338791-1-eng-US/0420-george-zimmerman-social-justice.jpg_full_600.jpg
He was wearing body armor.

Also, the whole "hispanic" thing... Who cares? They've been saying he's white since it went down. In the average American's mind, there's nothing that can change that.

[Lishy]

The House passes CISPA and these mobsters are more worried about Trayvon?

[Liberty74]

Blacks commit 2 times more crimes against whites than whites do against blacks. Yet the white population is 5 times that of blacks.

Who are the real racists? Obama, Democrats, etc. Their victim rhetoric causes much of the hate.

Just to put things into perspective.

[JebSanderson]

Hispanic is a cultural marker, not a racial or ethnic one. A member of literally any race can be Hispanic. Racially, all of those people are probably Caucasian.

Yes, hence the label white Hispanics.

[xFiFtyOnE]

If the media wanted a race war wouldn't they make this a front page news story... it's not.



So who wants a race war?

Why is it wrong to publicize the Trayvon case but it's somehow good to publicize this case?


My intent is not to help start a racewar. I was actually one of the few people in Mobile that helped this man get any news coverage and hopefully justice. It went 2 days before it was even in the news. It was spread by word of mouth and on facebook and was only after enough people spammed local news outlets with phone calls and on facebook that they actually did a story. Even after it did finally get on local news it was about a 15 second clip an swept under the rug quickly. It wasn't until it was Drudged that the Mayor and police dept. got a fire under there asses and made a statement and finally ONE arrest. One arrest when its obvious all the people involved in this crime should be in the same neighborhood...but I guess it's better than none. Believe it or not this kind of crime is not uncommon for this city. It's almost like the police think "well you shouldn't live in THAT neighborhood" and never even try to arrest anyone. Fortunately some tard made a Trayvon reference either during or after the attack and that will be the only reason any of these people will be brought to justice.

[azxd]

Oh man I hate this forum every time some event like this happens.

What is the evidence that any of these idiots were Obama supporters? Somehow I doubt these guys are very politically active. What do you want - Obama to apologize every time a black person does something stupid?Statistically, if you're black, you most likely voted for Obama.
That's not to say all black people voted for the man, but the numbers have been available for years.

[azxd]

Same evidence the media gives when they hold Ron Paul responsible for the actions of his supporters.Whoop ... There it is.

[azxd]

My intent is not to help start a racewar. I was actually one of the few people in Mobile that helped this man get any news coverage and hopefully justice. It went 2 days before it was even in the news. It was spread by word of mouth and on facebook and was only after enough people spammed local news outlets with phone calls and on facebook that they actually did a story. Even after it did finally get on local news it was about a 15 second clip an swept under the rug quickly. It wasn't until it was Drudged that the Mayor and police dept. got a fire under there asses and made a statement and finally ONE arrest. One arrest when its obvious all the people involved in this crime should be in the same neighborhood...but I guess it's better than none. Believe it or not this kind of crime is not uncommon for this city. It's almost like the police think "well you shouldn't live in THAT neighborhood" and never even try to arrest anyone. Fortunately some tard made a Trayvon reference either during or after the attack and that will be the only reason any of these people will be brought to justice.Obviously the victim has no value.
Few people will turn their anger, if they have any, into a riot, over this mans injuries ... Therefore NO additional news, therefore NO need to cover the story.

For both the media and the political agenda ... He is worthless ;)

[azxd]

In a different thread, I asked if you believed in Blackstone's ratio. You made it clear you did not:



10% chance of not being guilty wasn't sufficient for you.



If 20 black people attacked this guy and if there is a 4% chance of each NOT being an Obama supporter, what are the odds that none were Obama supporters???

(0.04)^20 = 1.1E-28 = 0.00000000000000000000000000011 AKA pretty much zero.

10% chance of being guilty is sufficient to send someone to jail but lord forbid if these attackers are wrongly - by some statistical miracle - called Obama supporters. :rolleyes:Ouch !!

[Liberty_Mike]

Looks as if the mainstream media and establishment are finally getting that race war they've been looking for.

[Paul Or Nothing II]

He was wearing body armor.

Also, the whole "hispanic" thing... Who cares? They've been saying he's white since it went down. In the average American's mind, there's nothing that can change that.

But he isn't & then a white person gets beaten over it! What BS! :(


The House passes CISPA and these mobsters are more worried about Trayvon?

I don't think many were going to pay attention anyway, probably too busy either watching Kardashions or collecting welfare


Blacks commit 2 times more crimes against whites than whites do against blacks. Yet the white population is 5 times that of blacks.

Who are the real racists? Obama, Democrats, etc. Their victim rhetoric causes much of the hate.

Just to put things into perspective.

That's true, black on white crimes don't get reported anywhere near as much white on black crimes; I think ALL should be reported equally, everyone deserves justice!


My intent is not to help start a racewar. I was actually one of the few people in Mobile that helped this man get any news coverage and hopefully justice. It went 2 days before it was even in the news. It was spread by word of mouth and on facebook and was only after enough people spammed local news outlets with phone calls and on facebook that they actually did a story. Even after it did finally get on local news it was about a 15 second clip an swept under the rug quickly. It wasn't until it was Drudged that the Mayor and police dept. got a fire under there asses and made a statement and finally ONE arrest. One arrest when its obvious all the people involved in this crime should be in the same neighborhood...but I guess it's better than none. Believe it or not this kind of crime is not uncommon for this city. It's almost like the police think "well you shouldn't live in THAT neighborhood" and never even try to arrest anyone. Fortunately some tard made a Trayvon reference either during or after the attack and that will be the only reason any of these people will be brought to justice.

I think ALL such violations should get proper hearing, putting it under the rug in the fear of a "racewar" actually AGGREVATES the race-relations because people hold grudges when they get a proper hearing so every instance of such violation should be just as important & justice should prevail


Looks as if the mainstream media and establishment are finally getting that race war they've been looking for.

Well, "multicultural" societies are natually prone to such things because people are naturally "groupist" animals, & it's not just about the race, it could be religion, it could be culture or whatever, some groups of whites have killed other groups of whites, same for blacks & others & Shiite Muslims v Sunny Muslims & so on

Of course, such groupist behavior has its severe issues but one thing is that it prevents too much centralization of power because people all believed that they were all the same & everything then it would be a lot easier to con them into more & more centralized form of government but if there are perceived differences of any kind, then it's harder to unite them & keep the "kingdom" together for the rulers

[awake]

Race warfare is good politics - sadly. Division has many lines, the poor are outraged about the rich and so on... It's a sad state of hate that people love to writhe in. It is hate and envy that bring about the politician; the fixer of nothing.

[BlackTerrel]

Same evidence the media gives when they hold Ron Paul responsible for the actions of his supporters.

Except you haven't given ANY evidence that these people were Obama supporters or that they care about politics in any way. You're just making shit up.

[BlackTerrel]

In a different thread, I asked if you believed in Blackstone's ratio. You made it clear you did not:



10% chance of not being guilty wasn't sufficient for you.



If 20 black people attacked this guy and if there is a 4% chance of each NOT being an Obama supporter, what are the odds that none were Obama supporters???

(0.04)^20 = 1.1E-28 = 0.00000000000000000000000000011 AKA pretty much zero.

10% chance of being guilty is sufficient to send someone to jail but lord forbid if these attackers are wrongly - by some statistical miracle - called Obama supporters. :rolleyes:


Statistically, if you're black, you most likely voted for Obama.
That's not to say all black people voted for the man, but the numbers have been available for years.

So you're saying any time a black person does something wrong Obama should speak about it?

Look these people are animals and whoever did it should be arrested and tried. But I friggin hate these sorts of threads on RPF and especially when people bring out statistics.

Next Obama will have to apologize for Ron Artest elbowing James Harden.

[BlackTerrel]

My intent is not to help start a racewar. I was actually one of the few people in Mobile that helped this man get any news coverage and hopefully justice. It went 2 days before it was even in the news. It was spread by word of mouth and on facebook and was only after enough people spammed local news outlets with phone calls and on facebook that they actually did a story. Even after it did finally get on local news it was about a 15 second clip an swept under the rug quickly. It wasn't until it was Drudged that the Mayor and police dept. got a fire under there asses and made a statement and finally ONE arrest. One arrest when its obvious all the people involved in this crime should be in the same neighborhood...but I guess it's better than none. Believe it or not this kind of crime is not uncommon for this city. It's almost like the police think "well you shouldn't live in THAT neighborhood" and never even try to arrest anyone. Fortunately some tard made a Trayvon reference either during or after the attack and that will be the only reason any of these people will be brought to justice.

Look good for you. I don't have an issue with any of it.

BUT you're admitting that this case likely had nothing to do with Trayvon and probably would have occurred anyway. That has been my point in all of these threads.

Since the Trayvon Martin case there have been a number of posters (and a bunch of infowars articles) stating that the Trayvon Martin case would lead to some sort of race war. I have called bullshit the whole time and these threads are popping up as some sort of "evidence" of the impending race war.

Bullshit. It's not gonna happen.

Look the perpetrators are idiots and should (and likely will) be brought to justice. I have 500 black people on my facebook friends list and not a single one of them condones this act. Yes there are 30 million black people and some of them are fucking idiots and fucking thugs. A lot of white people are too. That's life. But stop making this into something that it is not.

[azxd]

So you're saying any time a black person does something wrong Obama should speak about it?

Look these people are animals and whoever did it should be arrested and tried. But I friggin hate these sorts of threads on RPF and especially when people bring out statistics.

Next Obama will have to apologize for Ron Artest elbowing James Harden.You are free to ignore any thread that does not please you.

And for the record, Obama is just dumb enough that he does speak about things he shouldn't ... That's his problem, but when he makes it a national issue by opening his mouth for a camera, then it becomes everyone's problem.

[heavenlyboy34]

Race warfare is good politics - sadly. Division has many lines, the poor are outraged about the rich and so on... It's a sad state of hate that people love to writhe in. It is hate and envy that bring about the politician; the fixer of nothing.
Division and factionalization is great for The Ruling Class. Much like bread and circuses, it is a distraction from the large-scale criminals in the political and bankster classes.

[ProIndividual]

Well, the media made this into a racial issue, and they got what they wanted. What the fuck is a "white Hispanic", exactly?
Why bother creating one to begin with?

Mexicans are white...if you consider all of Europe to be white...as in "you're of European descent, therefore you're white". They are a mix of Natives and Spanish conquerors. Insofar as they are Spanish, they are white. Funny how we consider them non-white precisely because of their Spanish descent and language when actually their only non-white heritage predates white conquerors of this continent.

BTW, I don't consider Southern Europeans white. I do consider Northern Asians white (Russians). Funny how race is a bunch of BS, isn't it? Collectivism mentality is all it is. There is no real white/black/whatever.

[The Free Hornet]

So you're saying any time a black person does something wrong Obama should speak about it?

My point regarding Obama would be he should have shut his trap on the Zimmerman case and not pretended like he would have a gold-toothed thug in the Whitehouse. He spoke stupidly.


Look these people are animals and whoever did it should be arrested and tried. But I friggin hate these sorts of threads on RPF and especially when people bring out statistics.

I brought up statistics in the context of Blackstone's ratio which you seemed to disagree with. I.e., you would err on the side of incarcerating innocent people to ensure the guilty are also locked up. You made a statistical argument that a principle was wrong (the principle being that it is better that the guilty are freed than the innocent are locked up).

That still blows my mind.

Here is a thought you could have shoved in my face. Given 20 attackers, it is unlikely that all were attacking or attacking equally. What if one was trying to pull people off but we can't agree on which one???? They may have to all go free or suffer lessor charges and civil penalties by my argument! I can live with that.

Regarding "arrested and tried". If they are free now, then they should be investigated, charged, indicted, and if found guilty, then fined or incarcerated. Arrest is being used and pushed as its own pre-trial punishment.

The police don't need further encouragement to arrest people. That's like painting a target on a dog:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1426&d=1335821156

[phill4paul]

My point regarding Obama would be he should have shut his trap on the Zimmerman case and not pretended like he would have a gold-toothed thug in the Whitehouse. He spoke stupidly.



I brought up statistics in the context of Blackstone's ratio which you seemed to disagree with. I.e., you would err on the side of incarcerating innocent people to ensure the guilty are also locked up. You made a statistical argument that a principle was wrong (the principle being that it is better that the guilty are freed than the innocent are locked up).

That still blows my mind.

Here is a thought you could have shoved in my face. Given 20 attackers, it is unlikely that all were attacking or attacking equally. What if one was trying to pull people off but we can't agree on which one???? They may have to all go free or suffer lessor charges and civil penalties by my argument! I can live with that.

Regarding "arrested and tried". If they are free now, then they should be investigated, charged, indicted, and if found guilty, then fined or incarcerated. Arrest is being used and pushed as its own pre-trial punishment.

The police don't need further encouragement to arrest people. That's like painting a target on a dog:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1426&d=1335821156

Hey! Don't be using target dog memes. I reserve those for AF's dog shooting threads. :p

[qh4dotcom]

Except you haven't given ANY evidence that these people were Obama supporters or that they care about politics in any way. You're just making shit up.

The media also doesn't give any evidence when they label someone a Ron Paul supporter...When they hold Ron Paul responsible for the actions of the people they claim are his supporters, what proof do they have that the people they are talking about are Ron Paul supporters?

P.S Don't forget about the members of the Stop Ron Paul Facebook group who wanted to wear KKK robes and hold RP signs to make RP look bad.

[qh4dotcom]

So you're saying any time a black person does something wrong Obama should speak about it?

Look these people are animals and whoever did it should be arrested and tried. But I friggin hate these sorts of threads on RPF and especially when people bring out statistics.

Next Obama will have to apologize for Ron Artest elbowing James Harden.

It's all about giving the media a taste of their own medicine...if the media expects RP (or any other presidential candidate) to apologize for the actions of his supporters then Obama should too...if the media does not expect RP (or any other presidential candidate) to apologize then Obama should not too.

[BlackTerrel]

My point regarding Obama would be he should have shut his trap on the Zimmerman case and not pretended like he would have a gold-toothed thug in the Whitehouse. He spoke stupidly.

He was asked about it and he responded with sympathy to the parents of the victim. That is the nice thing to do.

If he was asked specifically about this case I'd expect him to say something along the lines of "obviously when you have a case where 20 people beat up 1 person than there needs to be an investigation and arrests and I pray for the victim and his family.

He's allowed to give his opinion on current events just like anyone else.


I brought up statistics in the context of Blackstone's ratio which you seemed to disagree with. I.e., you would err on the side of incarcerating innocent people to ensure the guilty are also locked up. You made a statistical argument that a principle was wrong (the principle being that it is better that the guilty are freed than the innocent are locked up).

That still blows my mind.

Really? I think it's an ethical question that has no right or wrong answer. And it blows my mind that anyone would think there is one true answer to such a question.

I imagine even you have a number at which point you would agree with incarcerating an innocent person to ensure that guilty people are put away. Here's an ethics question:

1. 100 people. You know 99 are murderers and 1 is innocent. Do you let them all go or lock them all up.

2. 100,000 people. 99,999 are murderers and 1 is innocent. Do you let them all go or lock them all up.

3. 1,000,000 people. 999,999 are rapists and 1 is innocent. Do you let them all go or lock them all up?

4. 100,000,000 people. 99,999,999 are pedophiles and 1 is innocent. Do you let them all go or lock them all up?

I could keep going..... I assume at some number you'll agree that it is worth locking up the 1 innocent person to spare society from the guilty. But what is the correct number and where do we stop? There is no right or wrong answer here. That is why life is full of black and whites.


Here is a thought you could have shoved in my face. Given 20 attackers, it is unlikely that all were attacking or attacking equally. What if one was trying to pull people off but we can't agree on which one???? They may have to all go free or suffer lessor charges and civil penalties by my argument! I can live with that.


If 20 people beat a guy almost to death there should be some arrests. In my mind.

Regarding "arrested and tried". If they are free now, then they should be investigated, charged, indicted, and if found guilty, then fined or incarcerated. Arrest is being used and pushed as its own pre-trial punishment.

The police don't need further encouragement to arrest people. That's like painting a target on a dog:

Well according to another poster no arrests were going to be made until he and others started talking about it and got it some attention. See below:


My intent is not to help start a racewar. I was actually one of the few people in Mobile that helped this man get any news coverage and hopefully justice. It went 2 days before it was even in the news. It was spread by word of mouth and on facebook and was only after enough people spammed local news outlets with phone calls and on facebook that they actually did a story. Even after it did finally get on local news it was about a 15 second clip an swept under the rug quickly. It wasn't until it was Drudged that the Mayor and police dept. got a fire under there asses and made a statement and finally ONE arrest. One arrest when its obvious all the people involved in this crime should be in the same neighborhood...but I guess it's better than none. Believe it or not this kind of crime is not uncommon for this city. It's almost like the police think "well you shouldn't live in THAT neighborhood" and never even try to arrest anyone.

Is he right? Maybe... maybe not.

[BlackTerrel]

The media also doesn't give any evidence when they label someone a Ron Paul supporter...When they hold Ron Paul responsible for the actions of the people they claim are his supporters, what proof do they have that the people they are talking about are Ron Paul supporters?


It's all about giving the media a taste of their own medicine...if the media expects RP (or any other presidential candidate) to apologize for the actions of his supporters then Obama should too...if the media does not expect RP (or any other presidential candidate) to apologize then Obama should not too.

You're acting like this is some consistent theme where 1) regularly the media just finds random people doing bad things. 2) Makes up that they are Ron Paul supporters and 3) writes about how evil Ron Paul supporters are.

That's what your advocating here.

Remember when thousands of white University of Kentucky students rioted after their team won the championship. I don't recall any headlines saying "Ron Paul supporters loot and burn cars at Kentucky". That's basically what you're arguing in this case.


P.S Don't forget about the members of the Stop Ron Paul Facebook group who wanted to wear KKK robes and hold RP signs to make RP look bad.

People posted on the internet a scheme to make Ron Paul look bad? Of course. I am sure that happens to all candidates. I am pretty sure during my four years on this forum alone I have seen at least a few posters advocate pretending to be supporters of someone else and making stupid statements. This isn't unique to any candidate.

Actually I've consistently seen links on this site to BarackObamaForums (or some variation of) where people post on this forum for the sole purpose of making Obama supporters look bad. It's the internet - that happens.

[qh4dotcom]

You're acting like this is some consistent theme where 1) regularly the media just finds random people doing bad things. 2) Makes up that they are Ron Paul supporters and 3) writes about how evil Ron Paul supporters are.

That's what your advocating here.

That's exactly what the media did with the dirty Huntsman video back in January...have you forgotten?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?347186-Paul-campaign-disavows-anti-Huntsman-ad

[BlackTerrel]

That's exactly what the media did with the dirty Huntsman video back in January...have you forgotten?

You're looking at the world through a myopic view. And acting like this is unique to Ron Paul.

I googled Obama condemns supporters and my first two hits were Obama campaign quick to condemn a loyal supporter and Santorum Condemns Supporter's Obama Remark. Took me about 30 seconds. I am sure if I spent more time I could find more examples.

The difference is in the three instances discussed above (Santorum, Obama, and Paul) the person was specifically identified as a supporter. You want these people to be labeled as Obama supporters based on nothing but race.

Ron Paul is popular among white college students. Should he be associated with the students at UK who rioted and burned cars?

[palm]

Statistically, if you're black, you most likely voted for Obama.
That's not to say all black people voted for the man, but the numbers have been available for years.

Blame public education and the media.

[azxd]

Blame public education and the media.Critical thinking does seem to be a dying art.

[BlackTerrel]

Critical thinking does seem to be a dying art.

I don't think it was ever much better. I think history proves that.

Every generation thinks something is messed up with the younger generation. I think things are getting better, not worse.

[LadyBastiat]

Blacks commit 2 times more crimes against whites than whites do against blacks. Yet the white population is 5 times that of blacks.

Who are the real racists? Obama, Democrats, etc. Their victim rhetoric causes much of the hate.

Just to put things into perspective.

Another thing to consider, I believe, is related to what you say here about black on white vs. white on black crime in relation to the statistical difference in population size. If you completely set aside any arguments about the accuracy of your figures, I've heard it said before that when you treat people like worthless dogs is it any surprise when they bite your hand? I don't think of this under the context of "racial tensions" as I do how it just proves that the liberal/socialist ideal of providing complete support for ANY group of people leads us to these tendencies. When you toss in things from a historical perspective (slavery, civil rights movement, assassination of King, etc.) it makes a sick sort of logical sense that it wouldn't take much stirring up by the media for exactly this sort of retaliation to happen.

My conclusion is we need to stop making it so damn easy for the media to pull this kind shit!

I mean seriously, I got into a discussion with some friends recently (they are black, I am white) and the Trayvon story came up. This was around the time when it was first breaking. One of my friends, knowing a little about my views on prisons, victimless crime, & justice in general, asked me what I thought the appropriate "justice" should be for the family of Trayvon. (My first reaction was, who, what... who's that, I was duly notified of the situation). My first question, however, was has due process been served? Everyone looked at me like I was crazy not to have formed an "opinion" on the matter (including the other "white" people in the room). I absolutely hate sensationalized criminal trials, especially in a case like this where the "racial divide" monster gets fed a big fat juicy steak by the media. I believe it interferes with the judicial process. Which is more important, your right to due process or or right to freedom of speech? (A question to ponder another day, but certainly worth asking).