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John F Kennedy III
04-23-2012, 04:36 PM
Professor Depicts Blood-Dripping Knife, Machine-Gun, While Talking Population Control

Jurriaan Maessen
Infowars.com
April 23, 2012

A video has popped up showing University College’s Emeritus Professor John Guillebaud, patron of the UK-based “Population Matters”, standing before a screen depicting among other things a machine-gun, a hospital bed, and a knife dripping with blood, as examples of “natural” population control as opposed to “artificial” methods such as contraception and family planning.

The professor also impressed upon his audience to hide the true nature of their efforts by never ever using the phrase “population control.”

Guillebaud gave the lecture on October 14 2010 in front of a group of scientists at Cambridge University’s Triple Helix Society. On the top of the screen of Guillebaud’s slide show we read the words: “guide to “population control” methods”, showing on the one hand a contraception pill, which is described as an artificial method of population control. On the right hand side we see the machine-gun, the knife, and the hospitable-bed as examples of “natural” methods of population control (from 1 minute onward).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-TPj9H0_gJQ

“It either happens the gentle way, through family planning (…), or it happens the nasty ways (…) excessive heat, hurricanes, flooding and so on. To me that’s the ultimate inconvenient truth”, the professor stated.

This is classical neo-Malthusian talk we hear from the mouth of professor Guillebaud. Reduce human numbers voluntarily, or else… Also typical of modern-day eugenicists is the urge to conceal their true purpose (population reduction and control) with euphemistic phrases which vary from “family planning” to “reproductive health”. In this video the professor admits to this deception:

“Will you all undertake a little project today, for me, and that is never from the 14th of October onwards will you say those words up there (pointing towards the text on the slide: “population control”). You will never find me in any situation except in the context of this slide saying: population control. So will you for the rest of this meeting, and for the rest of your life, never put those two words together. They have been so damaging. They instantly make your hair up… think of India in the 1970s and of China at time present. Use any other way you would like to say, like my phrase “population matters”. Please don’t say “population control”. So there’s one thing you can all do.”

In 2010 I reported on a 2006 gathering which was attended by the United Nations Population Fund, the International Planned Parenthood Foundation, the European Commission, the World Bank and Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. At the meeting professor of Medical Demography at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine John Cleland admitted that all modern-day language used in relation to population reduction agenda is actually code.

“No more shrouding our statements in code. Because code just confuses people.”, the professor said (page 33 in the document).

In his speech, Cleland also argued quite forcefully to do away with the Orwellian language and just come out honestly with the true mission they have set out to pursue.

“It does this cause no service at all to continue to shroud family planning in the obfuscating phrase “sexual and reproductive health”. People don’t really know what it means. If we mean family planning or contraception, we must say it. If we are worried about population growth, we must say it. We must use proper, straightforward language. I am fed up with the political correctness that daren’t say the name population stabilization, hardly dares to mention family planning or contraception out of fear that somebody is going to get offended. It is pathetic.”

Deception is the fruit by which we know the eugenicists, that much is evident. As the video shows, another typical trait is the perverse pleasure these people have in scaring mankind into accepting depopulation plans.

There was the case of professor Eric Pianka who during a lecture in 2006 displayed an image of human skulls as he was calling for mass-death. Forrest Mims, Chairman of the Environmental Science Section of the Texas Academy of Science gave a description of one of Pianka’s lectures:

“Professor Pianka said the Earth as we know it will not survive without drastic measures. Then, and without presenting any data to justify this number, he asserted that the only feasible solution to saving the Earth is to reduce the population to 10 percent of the present number. He then showed solutions for reducing the world’s population in the form of a slide depicting the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. War and famine would not do, he explained. Instead, disease offered the most efficient and fastest way to kill the billions that must soon die if the population crisis is to be solved. Pianka then displayed a slide showing rows of human skulls, one of which had red lights flashing from its eye sockets. AIDS is not an efficient killer, he explained, because it is too slow. His favorite candidate for eliminating 90 percent of the world’s population is airborne Ebola (…), because it is both highly lethal and it kills in days, instead of years. However, Professor Pianka did not mention that Ebola victims die a slow and torturous death as the virus initiates a cascade of biological calamities inside the victim that eventually liquefy the internal organs.”

These are some death-loving sociopaths that sit spider-like inside the halls of academia. Forrest Mims continues:

“After praising the Ebola virus for its efficiency at killing, Pianka paused, leaned over the lectern, looked at us and carefully said, “We’ve got airborne 90 percent mortality in humans. Killing humans. Think about that. With his slide of human skulls towering on the screen behind him, Professor Pianka was deadly serious. The audience that had been applauding some of his statements now sat silent.”

It’s clear what is happening. Scientists worldwide are engaging in open threats of death to scare us into submission. They will not succeed.


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Kylie
04-23-2012, 04:42 PM
And we are the terrorists.

John F Kennedy III
04-23-2012, 05:24 PM
And we are the terrorists.

The people calling us terrorists are the real terrorists. Just like when people call us conspiracy theorists.

RickyJ
04-23-2012, 05:29 PM
Which student is going to ace the test on population control and off the professor?

Icymudpuppy
04-23-2012, 06:01 PM
He's right. Sooner or later, all animal populations exceed carrying capacity. When need exceeds available resources, three things happen.
1. Competition for those resources results in the death of many (war).
2. Disease transmission accelerates among malnourished and crowded populations resulting in death of large swathes of the population (pestilence).
3. Starvation occurs which also results in the death of large numbers of the population (famine).
The hospital bed represents pestilence, the Machine gun and knife represent war. he didn't show symbol for hunger.

In any case, Nature will take its toll eventually if humans can't self regulate. There are two questions.
1. What is human carrying capacity? Is it measured globally? Nationally? Most of the middle east has already exceeded national carrying capacity, but they continue to grow with trading oil for food to less populated areas. Since technology related to efficient distribution of resources, and production of food resources continues to grow, the estimated global population carrying capacity keeps growing as well. Will population growth exceed carrying capacity expansion before we learn to self regulate our reproduction?
2. How can we self regulate our reproduction? The chinese do it by force. That is the government solution after all. Education is the way we libertarians try to push our philosophy. Disaster can be averted if we can just wake up the sheep. Please, don't over populate the earth! We may have a long way yet to go to reach carrying capacity, but we REALLY don't want to go there!!!!!!

I see it happen every 5-7 years in rodents, every 15-25 years in furbearers, every 25-50 years for big-game. It's pretty brutal from a naturalist perspective.

I hope that humans can learn to self regulate before we also drive off a cliff. Just like a true free market will not end the business cycle unless all actors in the market are educated and know how to avoid such cycles. Likewise, a free reproductive market will not end population cycles unless everyone understands those cycles and how to avoid them.

Lishy
04-23-2012, 06:10 PM
Uh, I don't see what the big deal is. All he was showing is the things which reduce population. Though it's more common sense.

oyarde
04-23-2012, 10:50 PM
He's right. Sooner or later, all animal populations exceed carrying capacity. When need exceeds available resources, three things happen.
1. Competition for those resources results in the death of many (war).
2. Disease transmission accelerates among malnourished and crowded populations resulting in death of large swathes of the population (pestilence).
3. Starvation occurs which also results in the death of large numbers of the population (famine).
The hospital bed represents pestilence, the Machine gun and knife represent war. he didn't show symbol for hunger.

In any case, Nature will takes it's toll eventually if humans can't self regulate. There are two questions.
1. What is human carrying capacity? Is it measured globally? Nationally? Most of the middle east has already exceeded national carrying capacity, but they continue to grow with trading oil for food to less populated areas. Since technology related to efficient distribution of resources, and production of food resources continues to grow, the estimated global population carrying capacity keeps growing as well. Will population growth exceed carrying capacity expansion before we learn to self regulate our reproduction?
2. How can we self regulate our reproduction? The chinese do it by force. That is the government solution after all. Education is the way we libertarians try to push our philosophy. Disaster can be averted if we can just wake up the sheep. Please, don't over populate the earth! We may have a long way yet to go to reach carrying capacity, but we REALLY don't want to go there!!!!!!

I see it happen every 5-7 years in rodents, every 15-25 years in furbearers, every 25-50 years for big-game. It's pretty brutal from a naturalist perspective.

I hope that humans can learn to self regulate before we also drive off a cliff. Just like a true free market will not end the business cycle unless all actors in the market are educated and know how to avoid such cycles. Likewise, a free reproductive market will not end population cycles unless everyone understands those cycles and how to avoid them. Interesting , I always noted the cycles of grouse in my native woods as a young fellow . In my home state , by 1830 - 1832 , basically all the Elk , Bear , both kinds of wolves , bison , lion , marten , lynx and wolverine were gone

oyarde
04-23-2012, 10:53 PM
And in the late 1770's- early 1780's there were only , maybe 20,000 people there other than the Indians .

oyarde
04-23-2012, 11:02 PM
Of course , if you want to teach pestilence & disease , I think you have to cover the bubonic plague in Europe ... all , those dead from flea bites from rats , maybe throw in a bit of small pox education ( I would,specifically point to the native American numbers , Mandan , Blackfeet etc etc )... malaria , it still kills millions ea year , even the influenza , in the best case senario of years, kills one quarter million worldwide . Oher years , four times as much...

Xenophage
04-23-2012, 11:20 PM
OP is highly misleading. Watching the video for myself, I understood perfectly well that the professor was NOT advocating violent methods of population control. He would like to avoid the violent consequences of overpopulation through peaceful means by advocating for birth control. I think that's pretty sensible.

On the planet's current course, overpopulation and the violent deaths that result from famine and disease are inevitable. However, I believe in a very simple solution: the free market. Productive, wealthy, technologically advanced societies can more effectively harbor a large population. Furthermore, wealthier individuals tend to reproduce less. Increase everyone's wealth, and you have solved the overpopulation problem.

I have a theory about population: I believe a society's rate of population increase looks a bit like a bell curve, with the X axis representing economic freedom and the Y axis representing population growth. At the extreme ends, it turns negative. Sound about right? If I'm right, a pure socialism cannot sustain much of a population because people are dying of famine, disease and exposure. A pure capitalism can sustain tremendous population, but the tendency is for people to reproduce less when they are wealthy. A mixed economy appears to be the greatest threat for spiraling overpopulation, and that's where we're headed.

Unfortunately the professor does not understand the economic side of the equation.

Icymudpuppy
04-24-2012, 02:41 PM
Of course , if you want to teach pestilence & disease , I think you have to cover the bubonic plague in Europe ... all , those dead from flea bites from rats , maybe throw in a bit of small pox education ( I would,specifically point to the native American numbers , Mandan , Blackfeet etc etc )... malaria , it still kills millions ea year , even the influenza , in the best case senario of years, kills one quarter million worldwide . Oher years , four times as much...

You are correct. Europe during the plague was regionally overpopulated based on agricultural technology available at the time. Nature stepped in and took out a significant amount of the excess population. Regional overpopulation is a common occurrence. Indeed, since agricultural technology in the 1910's was really about the same as during the plague, the Spanish flu and WWI also served nature's interest in reducing overpopulation among Europeans. Now, the real question is, what happens with a truly GLOBAL population overload? I shudder at the thought. Indeed, I think it has happened before. A disaster so extreme that humans reverted back to neolithic technology after having had the ability to use nuclear weapons that leveled cities and turned people into pillars of dust Soddom and Gomorrah. Entire civilizations were lost and time scrubbed them from the face of the earth (Atlantis). In every legend is a seed of truth. I have seen first hand the remains of the city of Ninevah. After only 4000 years, the city wall is nothing more that a rectangular shaped hill, and the buildings are nothing. This, in a desert that experiences very little water erosion, or corrosion. Human beings have existed as a species for ~200,000 years. it only took about 10,000 to go from Neolithic to Nuclear in this last cycle. I think such cycles have happened before. Potentially as many as 20 times.

Kylie
04-24-2012, 03:50 PM
Dude. If I wasnt battliny food poisoning atm i would so post the alien meme pic, just to mess with ya.

John F Kennedy III
04-24-2012, 03:54 PM
You are correct. Europe during the plague was regionally overpopulated based on agricultural technology available at the time. Nature stepped in and took out a significant amount of the excess population. Regional overpopulation is a common occurrence. Indeed, since agricultural technology in the 1910's was really about the same as during the plague, the Spanish flu and WWI also served nature's interest in reducing overpopulation among Europeans. Now, the real question is, what happens with a truly GLOBAL population overload? I shudder at the thought. Indeed, I think it has happened before. A disaster so extreme that humans reverted back to neolithic technology after having had the ability to use nuclear weapons that leveled cities and turned people into pillars of dust Soddom and Gomorrah. Entire civilizations were lost and time scrubbed them from the face of the earth (Atlantis). In every legend is a seed of truth. I have seen first hand the remains of the city of Ninevah. After only 4000 years, the city wall is nothing more that a rectangular shaped hill, and the buildings are nothing. This, in a desert that experiences very little water erosion, or corrosion. Human beings have existed as a species for ~200,000 years. it only took about 10,000 to go from Neolithic to Nuclear in this last cycle. I think such cycles have happened before. Potentially as many as 20 times.

I agree. Maybe not 20 times, but the evidence damn near proves at least once.

John F Kennedy III
04-24-2012, 04:00 PM
Dude. If I wasnt battliny food poisoning atm i would so post the alien meme pic, just to mess with ya.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/240/262/a7a.png

Icymudpuppy
04-24-2012, 04:59 PM
I agree. Maybe not 20 times, but the evidence damn near proves at least once.

I doubt it would be that many too, but 10,000 goes into 200,000, 20 times. That's where I pulled it from. Obviously, the lag time between cycles is an unknown and could easily vary by tens of thousands of years. The more severe the collapse, the longer time spent in stone age, the less is remembered of previous cycles. Are legends of elves, halflings, orcs, dwarves, etc actually based on real interactions with other prehistoric humans from previous cycles...Gracilis (tall thin humanoid fossils), floresienses (extremely small humanoid fossils), Erectus (robust skulled humanoid fossils), Neanderthalensis (short stocky robust skulled humanoid fossils)?

Aratus
04-24-2012, 05:04 PM
alarming shades of thomas hobbes and his social system leviathan the body politick in total disorder

John F Kennedy III
04-24-2012, 05:11 PM
I doubt it would be that many too, but 10,000 goes into 200,000, 20 times. That's where I pulled it from. Obviously, the lag time between cycles is an unknown and could easily vary by tens of thousands of years. The more severe the collapse, the longer time spent in stone age, the less is remembered of previous cycles. Are legends of elves, halflings, orcs, dwarves, etc actually based on real interactions with other prehistoric humans from previous cycles...Gracilis (tall thin humanoid fossils), floresienses (extremely small humanoid fossils), Erectus (robust skulled humanoid fossils), Neanderthalensis (short stocky robust skulled humanoid fossils)?

It is entirely possible. There is so much we do not know about Earth's history. It's possibly been here for 4.5 billion years. We pretty much know what has happened in the last 2,000 years. That's a pretty huge gap. Less than 0.0001% of Earth's history is accounted for. Anything is possible. One major factor could be ice ages. Not only wiping out the civilization and stopping it at whatever advancement it was at, but time and repeated ice ages can do alot to hide evidence of the civilizations ever existing.

Aratus
04-24-2012, 05:49 PM
luv... you link to the neat thread that has all the ufo videos

BlackTerrel
04-24-2012, 09:46 PM
This is a very misleading article meant to illicit fear and anger.


“It either happens the gentle way, through family planning (…), or it happens the nasty ways (…) excessive heat, hurricanes, flooding and so on. To me that’s the ultimate inconvenient truth”, the professor stated.

This is classical neo-Malthusian talk we hear from the mouth of professor Guillebaud. Reduce human numbers voluntarily, or else…

Unless you think the professor means he is going to create heat and flooding and hurricanes I am pretty sure he is saying it will be bad for humanity if the earth overpopulates.

Now maybe he is right 20 billion humans is too much. And maybe he is wrong and the earth can support that many. Reasonable people can disagree. But there is nothing frightening unless you ignore what his actual message is.

Vanilluxe
04-24-2012, 09:46 PM
It is entirely possible. There is so much we do not know about Earth's history. It's possibly been here for 4.5 billion years. We pretty much know what has happened in the last 2,000 years. That's a pretty huge gap. Less than 0.0001% of Earth's history is accounted for. Anything is possible. One major factor could be ice ages. Not only wiping out the civilization and stopping it at whatever advancement it was at, but time and repeated ice ages can do alot to hide evidence of the civilizations ever existing.

You are right, I believe there was a great civilization that was able to help Mayans and Egyptians build pyramids, as they had the precise mathematical knowledge to utilize pyramid power in their own hands.

oyarde
04-24-2012, 11:10 PM
It is entirely possible. There is so much we do not know about Earth's history. It's possibly been here for 4.5 billion years. We pretty much know what has happened in the last 2,000 years. That's a pretty huge gap. Less than 0.0001% of Earth's history is accounted for. Anything is possible. One major factor could be ice ages. Not only wiping out the civilization and stopping it at whatever advancement it was at, but time and repeated ice ages can do alot to hide evidence of the civilizations ever existing. It really has NOT wiped out all evidence , it is merely , the limited evidence is ignored . Please feel free to look at the "Supressed Evidence " thread ...

oyarde
04-24-2012, 11:13 PM
You are correct. Europe during the plague was regionally overpopulated based on agricultural technology available at the time. Nature stepped in and took out a significant amount of the excess population. Regional overpopulation is a common occurrence. Indeed, since agricultural technology in the 1910's was really about the same as during the plague, the Spanish flu and WWI also served nature's interest in reducing overpopulation among Europeans. Now, the real question is, what happens with a truly GLOBAL population overload? I shudder at the thought. Indeed, I think it has happened before. A disaster so extreme that humans reverted back to neolithic technology after having had the ability to use nuclear weapons that leveled cities and turned people into pillars of dust Soddom and Gomorrah. Entire civilizations were lost and time scrubbed them from the face of the earth (Atlantis). In every legend is a seed of truth. I have seen first hand the remains of the city of Ninevah. After only 4000 years, the city wall is nothing more that a rectangular shaped hill, and the buildings are nothing. This, in a desert that experiences very little water erosion, or corrosion. Human beings have existed as a species for ~200,000 years. it only took about 10,000 to go from Neolithic to Nuclear in this last cycle. I think such cycles have happened before. Potentially as many as 20 times.I HAVE NOT EVEN GOTTEN TO the Spanish , influenza , that killed so many , nobody is even sure how many , WW 1 killed more than even others , then the flu killed MORE.....Spanish flu , or whatever you would like to call it , may have killed as many as 20 million , and think about what PERCENTAGE , of the population the Plague and the WW1 Flu killed ?? Can , you imagine , surviving the trenches , filled with cold water , the wire , the modern German mahine guns , the mustard gas ...... then you catch a ride home on a ship , get the Flu and die ???? Gotta say , I would be pissed off about that , just saying .

tttppp
04-24-2012, 11:19 PM
He's right. Sooner or later, all animal populations exceed carrying capacity. When need exceeds available resources, three things happen.
1. Competition for those resources results in the death of many (war).
2. Disease transmission accelerates among malnourished and crowded populations resulting in death of large swathes of the population (pestilence).
3. Starvation occurs which also results in the death of large numbers of the population (famine).
The hospital bed represents pestilence, the Machine gun and knife represent war. he didn't show symbol for hunger.

In any case, Nature will takes it's toll eventually if humans can't self regulate. There are two questions.
1. What is human carrying capacity? Is it measured globally? Nationally? Most of the middle east has already exceeded national carrying capacity, but they continue to grow with trading oil for food to less populated areas. Since technology related to efficient distribution of resources, and production of food resources continues to grow, the estimated global population carrying capacity keeps growing as well. Will population growth exceed carrying capacity expansion before we learn to self regulate our reproduction?
2. How can we self regulate our reproduction? The chinese do it by force. That is the government solution after all. Education is the way we libertarians try to push our philosophy. Disaster can be averted if we can just wake up the sheep. Please, don't over populate the earth! We may have a long way yet to go to reach carrying capacity, but we REALLY don't want to go there!!!!!!

I see it happen every 5-7 years in rodents, every 15-25 years in furbearers, every 25-50 years for big-game. It's pretty brutal from a naturalist perspective.

I hope that humans can learn to self regulate before we also drive off a cliff. Just like a true free market will not end the business cycle unless all actors in the market are educated and know how to avoid such cycles. Likewise, a free reproductive market will not end population cycles unless everyone understands those cycles and how to avoid them.

One thing nobody considers is that in a well run economy, the more people who are involved, the greater the efficiency will be. Eventually the increase in efficiency will overcome the lack of natural resources. This is of course, in a properly run economy, not the economy these idiots are running now. I've never heard anyone ever state there are efficiencies from greater numbers of people. People just assume that more people means a smaller piece of the pie.

HigherVision
04-24-2012, 11:48 PM
OP is highly misleading. Watching the video for myself, I understood perfectly well that the professor was NOT advocating violent methods of population control. He would like to avoid the violent consequences of overpopulation through peaceful means by advocating for birth control. I think that's pretty sensible.

Yes it's just a coincidence that scientists and professors who advocate the same kind of central economic planning that has led to the deliberate murder of tens of millions in the past are now showing drawings of bloody machetes and machine guns as examples of 'what has to be done' for 'sustainability'.

Brian4Liberty
04-25-2012, 09:48 AM
You are correct. Europe during the plague was regionally overpopulated based on agricultural technology available at the time. Nature stepped in and took out a significant amount of the excess population. Regional overpopulation is a common occurrence. Indeed, since agricultural technology in the 1910's was really about the same as during the plague, the Spanish flu and WWI also served nature's interest in reducing overpopulation among Europeans. Now, the real question is, what happens with a truly GLOBAL population overload? I shudder at the thought. Indeed, I think it has happened before. A disaster so extreme that humans reverted back to neolithic technology after having had the ability to use nuclear weapons that leveled cities and turned people into pillars of dust Soddom and Gomorrah. Entire civilizations were lost and time scrubbed them from the face of the earth (Atlantis). In every legend is a seed of truth. I have seen first hand the remains of the city of Ninevah. After only 4000 years, the city wall is nothing more that a rectangular shaped hill, and the buildings are nothing. This, in a desert that experiences very little water erosion, or corrosion. Human beings have existed as a species for ~200,000 years. it only took about 10,000 to go from Neolithic to Nuclear in this last cycle. I think such cycles have happened before. Potentially as many as 20 times.

Agree. No doubt many civilizations have come and gone in human history.

I do doubt whether any of them made the advances that have occurred in the previous 100 hundred years though. Multiple Roman style civilizations have occurred, but the technology that we have now is most likely for the first time in human history, imho.

Icymudpuppy
04-25-2012, 10:50 AM
Agree. No doubt many civilizations have come and gone in human history.

I do doubt whether any of them made the advances that have occurred in the previous 100 hundred years though. Multiple Roman style civilizations have occurred, but the technology that we have now is most likely for the first time in human history, imho.

Right, but I am pretty sure that there has been at least one, and possibly several GLOBAL human population crashes. To have a global crash requires a globally connected population, which requires at least industrial age technology for swift ocean crossings capable of transporting food globally. That requires at least steam engine capability.

Also, the description of the destruction of Soddom and Gomorrah is just too similar to the description of the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It screams nuclear bomb.

Also, Revelations is either a really good prediction of things to come in the event of overpopulation, or it is a recollection of what the last global crash looked like.

ZenBowman
04-25-2012, 01:58 PM
OP is highly misleading. Watching the video for myself, I understood perfectly well that the professor was NOT advocating violent methods of population control. He would like to avoid the violent consequences of overpopulation through peaceful means by advocating for birth control. I think that's pretty sensible.

On the planet's current course, overpopulation and the violent deaths that result from famine and disease are inevitable. However, I believe in a very simple solution: the free market. Productive, wealthy, technologically advanced societies can more effectively harbor a large population. Furthermore, wealthier individuals tend to reproduce less. Increase everyone's wealth, and you have solved the overpopulation problem.


Exactly. OP doesn't seem to understand the basics of what he posts.

Which explains why his username is that of a big government statist.

I agree with the goal of a (much) smaller human population, and I believe liberty is the best way to achieve that goal.

I don't know about you, but my idea of liberty doesn't include being crammed in cities like a pack of sardines, low population density is critical to freedom. Its not a coincidence that big government thrives in areas that are population dense.

We are a pack animal, not a herd animal. We are made to roam free in small communities.

BenIsForRon
04-25-2012, 04:09 PM
Infowars fails once again. That site is hurting more than helping these days.

Research has shown that for every 3 years of education for a woman in a developing country, she has 1 less child. So yeah, liberty is the answer.