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Anti Federalist
04-22-2012, 01:02 PM
Reason to homeschool # 3,498

Minor children cannot enter into any other form of legal contract, but they can "consent" to this?

Consent, my aching ass, they were told to do it, with cops and principals hovering over them.



Cops Take School Kids' DNA in Murder Case

By Alyssa Newcomb | ABC News Blogs - Wed, Apr 18, 2012

http://m.yahoo.com/w/news_america/blogs/abc-blogs/cops-school-kids-dna-murder-case-012952307--abc-news-topstories.html?orig_host_hdr=news.yahoo.com&.intl=us&.lang=en-us

Samples of DNA were collected without parental consent from students at a Sacramento, Calif., middle school in connection with the murder of an 8 th grade student who was found stabbed, strangled and beaten to death near the dugout of a local park.

The Sacramento Sheriff's Department, which has been spearheading the investigation into the murder of Jessica Funk-Haslam, 13, said parental consent was not required in the DNA collection and interview of minors, several of whom were taken out of class during the day last week at Albert Einstein Middle School.

"These are interviews, not interrogations," Sheriff's Deputy Jason Ramos told ABCNews.com. "They are all consensual. Once it's done, there is a mechanism in place for school administrators to notify parents."

(STFU - This information will be used for a prosecution if needed. - AF)

Ramos said the DNA collection was done at the time of the interview so efforts didn't have to be "duplicated." Ramos cautioned that the collection did not necessarily mean authorities had a DNA profile of the suspect.

Over the past few weeks, police have sifted through a number of leads and alibis but have been unable to name a suspect in Jessica's murder.

The teen's body was found at Rosemont Community Park on the morning of March 6. Jessica was reportedly arguing with her mother the night before and voluntarily left her home and boarded local transportation to a local park.

There is nothing under California law that prohibits DNA collection of consenting minors, said John Myers, a professor at the McGeorge School of Law in Sacramento.

"I think the answer is, kids can consent, and if they consented and it was knowing and intelligent, [law enforcement] can do the search," he told the Sacramento Bee.

Ramos said last week's DNA collection was not the first time detectives visited the school and that he expects they'll be back for more follow-up.

He declined to say how many students have been interviewed, but said students who spoke with detectives were sent home with contact information to give to their parents.

"The parents have been completely supportive of it, in fact advocating our detectives do that for the benefit of excluding their children," Ramos said. "We've gotten a lot of positive feedback."

But one parent who said her son was interviewed wasn't happy with the process.

"My child's in a room with two detectives being questioned and grilled and I'm sure he was quite frightened, which is very upsetting," Michaela Brown told the Los Angeles Times.

Gabe Ross, of the Sacramento City Unified School District, said the school immediately made efforts to notify parents by phone and also sent home a letter. However, Ross said the school would not stand in the way of the investigation.

"We're not in a position to interfere in any way with the law enforcement investigation. If and when law enforcement wants to interview our students, we inform parents immediately," Ross said.

azxd
04-22-2012, 01:16 PM
Teach your children well.

Anti Federalist
04-22-2012, 01:17 PM
Teach your children well.

Teach them what?

To stand up for their rights, and not talk to cops?

Fear monger.

Cop hater.

phill4paul
04-22-2012, 02:11 PM
Saw this the other day and figured it had already been posted. :o Children have become no more than chattel to the state. It starts with a birth certificate, which is the indoctrination to the system, and never ends.

azxd
04-22-2012, 02:28 PM
Teach them what?

To stand up for their rights, and not talk to cops?

Fear monger.

Cop hater.Interpret it how you want.

Kylie
04-22-2012, 02:40 PM
The Sacramento Sheriff's Department, which has been spearheading the investigation into the murder of Jessica Funk-Haslam, 13, said parental consent was not required in the DNA collection and interview of minors, several of whom were taken out of class during the day last week at Albert Einstein Middle School.




I don't fucking think so, asshole. I pray they never try this shit with my kids, I have told them to recite this line, word for word:

"I do not consent to a search of my body, my property, or my mind. You have no right to force me to do anything. Now call my Mom".

azxd
04-22-2012, 02:41 PM
I don't fucking think so, asshole. I pray they never try this shit with my kids, I have told them to recite this line, word for word:

"I do not consent to a search of my body, my property, or my mind. You have no right to force me to do anything. Now call my Mom".See ... That's it !!!!!

Teach your children well :cool:

fisharmor
04-22-2012, 02:45 PM
I went to the DMV to beg for permission to own a utility trailer yesterday, and noticed that Virginia is hucking IDs for minors.
The most important thing, it states up front, is that it gets your kid into the DMV's database.

Kylie
04-22-2012, 02:47 PM
And right after that post, I spoke to my sister and her children(who happen to be in town this weekend). Now her little boy knows the same, and my 14 year old explained it to him hopefully in a way that made it easier to understand.

"No. Call my Mom."

Kylie
04-22-2012, 02:48 PM
I went to the DMV to beg for permission to own a utility trailer yesterday, and noticed that Virginia is hucking IDs for minors.
The most important thing, it states up front, is that it gets your kid into the DMV's database.


My kids are in the DMV system, but it's a name that's tied to their SS#'s, not their name on their birth certificates. I didn't know much back then, but I did know enough to get them some kind of alias. :)

Anti Federalist
04-22-2012, 02:50 PM
See ... That's it !!!!!

Teach your children well :cool:

You're dangerous, teaching children that.

Next you'll be telling adults not to talk to police officers.

Cop hater.

phill4paul
04-22-2012, 02:52 PM
Teach your children well.

http://www.myspaceantics.com/images/funny/kid-flipping-bird.jpg

azxd
04-22-2012, 03:08 PM
You're dangerous, teaching children that.

Next you'll be telling adults not to talk to police officers.

Cop hater.Glad you're finally coming to your senses.
Your canned response ain't worth squat ;)

azxd
04-22-2012, 03:09 PM
http://www.myspaceantics.com/images/funny/kid-flipping-bird.jpgAs long as he's selective, I'd say the parents are doing a fine job.

DerailingDaTrain
04-22-2012, 03:09 PM
I don't fucking think so, asshole. I pray they never try this shit with my kids, I have told them to recite this line, word for word:

"I do not consent to a search of my body, my property, or my mind. You have no right to force me to do anything. Now call my Mom".

Not going to work thanks to TLO v New Jersey in which the court decided that your child has no rights on school grounds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_v._TLO


On March 7th, 1980, two Piscataway Township High School freshmen were caught smoking cigarettes in the bathroom. Smoking at the school in itself was not prohibited; however, students were only supposed to smoke in a designated smoking area. The teacher took the two girls to the principal's office, in which they met with the assistant vice principal, Theodore Choplick. Choplick questioned them about violating a school rule by smoking in the bathroom. The first girl admitted to smoking, but the other girl – widely known as Tracy Lois Odem (though name not confirmed, as her rights were protected due to age) – denied smoking in the bathroom and stated she had never smoked in her life.

Choplick then asked Tracy Lois Odem into his private office and demanded she hand over her purse. Upon opening the purse he observed a pack of cigarettes; while removing the cigarettes he noticed a package of rolling papers. Based on his experience, the possession of rolling papers of high school students was closely tied to the use of marijuana. Choplick then began a more thorough search for the evidence of drugs. His search revealed a small amount of marijuana, a pipe, empty plastic bags, a large quantity of money in $1 bills, an index card that appeared to list students who owed Tracy Lois Odem money, and two letters that implicated Tracy Lois in dealing marijuana. The principal then called the police and the girl's mother, who voluntarily drove her to the police station.


The Supreme Court overturned the New Jersey Supreme Court ruling.

The Court also stated that states have a duty to provide a safe school environment.

Anti Federalist
04-22-2012, 03:10 PM
Not going to work thanks to TLO v New Jersey in which the court decided that your child has no rights on school grounds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_v._TLO

Reason to Homeschool # 5,391

azxd
04-22-2012, 03:20 PM
Nothing wrong with homeschooling ... The biggest problem is, parents who view school as a free baby-sitter.
That New Jersey statute wouldn't exist, if parents stood up.

Origanalist
04-22-2012, 03:43 PM
http://www.myspaceantics.com/images/funny/kid-flipping-bird.jpg

Truthfully, I would not consider that as teaching your children well. A simple no, I will not submit would be much preferable.

phill4paul
04-22-2012, 03:54 PM
Truthfully, I would not consider that as teaching your children well. A simple no, I will not submit would be much preferable.

To each their own. azxd had it right...


As long as he's selective, I'd say the parents are doing a fine job.

From my selective stand point you don't keep a child in the womb until they are 24 and then expect them to defy tyranny.

azxd
04-22-2012, 04:00 PM
To each their own. azxd had it right...



From my selective stand point you don't keep a child in the womb until they are 24 and then expect them to defy tyranny.Agreed ... You MUST teach them, and you MUST start at a very young age.

Under the current system that most parents rely/submit to ... Children need to know many things BEFORE they enter kindergarten (re-education camp).

The thing that pissed me off the most about the current state of public education is this:
http://img1.etsystatic.com/il_fullxfull.259820649.jpg

Talk about brainwashing :mad:

DerailingDaTrain
04-22-2012, 04:06 PM
Talk about brainwashing :mad:

Where are they forcing kids to read this pledge?

PS- Don't let your kid be forced to do the normal pledge either. It was invented by a socialist for those who don't know.

pcosmar
04-22-2012, 04:19 PM
Talk about brainwashing :mad:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=okPnDZ1Txlo

Ok,, lets talk about it.

Origanalist
04-22-2012, 04:23 PM
To each their own. azxd had it right...



From my selective stand point you don't keep a child in the womb until they are 24 and then expect them to defy tyranny.

True enough, if you want to teach your kid that young how to flip someone off, that's your choice. It's a bit of a stretch from that kid to 24 (ridiculous in fact), and you can teach small children many things without teaching them obscene behavior.

But each to their own...........

azxd
04-22-2012, 04:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=okPnDZ1Txlo

Ok,, lets talk about it.I suspect you know the origins of the word Kindergarten ;)
A safe, lovely place for children, it is not !!

See ... We might disagree about some things, but deep down, we're on the same page.

DerailingDaTrain
04-22-2012, 05:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=okPnDZ1Txlo

Ok,, lets talk about it.

In that video you posted where is that clip from of the detainee in the orange jumpsuit being told his healthcare is fine?

phill4paul
04-22-2012, 05:32 PM
True enough, if you want to teach your kid that young how to flip someone off, that's your choice. It's a bit of a stretch from that kid to 24 (ridiculous in fact), and you can teach small children many things without teaching them obscene behavior.

But each to their own...........

I've never considered defiance to be an obscene behaviour.

pcosmar
04-22-2012, 05:39 PM
See ... We might disagree about some things, but deep down, we're on the same page.

I suspect a few pages,, but not the whole book.

;)

but perhaps even you can learn and grow.

pcosmar
04-22-2012, 05:41 PM
I've never considered defiance to be an obscene behaviour.

http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/1787/2791011510032786982S600x600Q85.jpg

Origanalist
04-22-2012, 05:41 PM
I've never considered defiance to be an obscene behaviour.

Saying NO is defiance. A child flipping the bird is obscene behaviour. I realize that to the twenty and thirty year olds in many cases fuck is just a word to use five times in every sentence. I have that problem with one of my own, however, I see no reason for it.

Does the kid really have to do that to defy authority?

Again, each to their own. I wouldn't try to tell you how to raise your kids. but I am entitled to an opinion, as are you.

phill4paul
04-22-2012, 05:53 PM
Saying NO is defiance. A child flipping the bird is obscene behaviour. I realize that to the twenty and thirty year olds in many cases fuck is just a word to use five times in every sentence. I have that problem with one of my own, however, I see no reason for it.

Does the kid really have to do that to defy authority?

Again, each to their own. I wouldn't try to tell you how to raise your kids. but I am entitled to an opinion, as are you.

Forgive me if you thought I was telling you how to raise your kids. I was just expressing my opinion.

Origanalist
04-22-2012, 06:05 PM
Forgive me if you thought I was telling you how to raise your kids. I was just expressing my opinion.

No need, I didn't. Besides, mine are all over 30.

"I was just expressing my opinion"

Yep, me too. :)

Kylie
04-22-2012, 06:14 PM
Isn't that nice? Even when you disagree(or perceive it that way) you're still fairly cordial.

Where I come from you don't get that, or rarely. That's why we will move some day :)

Kylie
04-22-2012, 09:32 PM
BTW, when my boy and I spoke of this earlier, and my sister and her kids were in the room, my boys first reaction was a mimed version of "Go f*ck yourself". But that doesn't work in situations like the one posed, so we spoke again about the line he was to speak.

You must be respectful and speak properly, otherwise you will not be listened to. When that fails, then you can say whatever comes to mind, I guess. Someone will be a witness to what happened(hopefully), and you will at least know that you weren't a total dick from the get go, so you have righteousness and stuff.

phill4paul
04-22-2012, 10:10 PM
Defiance can be open gesture or it can be quite steadfastness.

Neither have gotten us where we need to be as a nation. Waiting for the next act in this universal play.

azxd
04-22-2012, 11:07 PM
BTW, when my boy and I spoke of this earlier, and my sister and her kids were in the room, my boys first reaction was a mimed version of "Go f*ck yourself". But that doesn't work in situations like the one posed, so we spoke again about the line he was to speak.

You must be respectful and speak properly, otherwise you will not be listened to. When that fails, then you can say whatever comes to mind, I guess. Someone will be a witness to what happened(hopefully), and you will at least know that you weren't a total dick from the get go, so you have righteousness and stuff.Teaching tact is a very good thing !!!