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sailingaway
04-21-2012, 09:57 AM
DonovanJames ‏ @DonovanJames3 Reply Retweeted Favorite · Open
Had to seat 14 alts of 111 delegates.. greene county cd7 mo.. 9 of 14 paulers #mocaucus

sailingaway
04-21-2012, 10:05 AM
Cory Mignard ‏ @CJMignard
All 314 delegates seated & qualified to vote. #mocaucus
Retweeted by TheFerg

PaulSoHard
04-21-2012, 10:06 AM
Cory Mignard ‏ @CJMignard Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Gordon Kenny & Jason Haymes nominated. #mocaucus

Think we want Haymes

sailingaway
04-21-2012, 10:08 AM
Amanda White ‏ @ooooo_aahhh Close
6th cong. dist. convention....only table outside! #ronpaul #mogop #showmeliberty

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/565050032.jpg?key=14562592&Expires=1335025468&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=fiecRcK4D2NZztuyS0piPCg-7eQX37LuUjLTHiLivBVyxx~3Enr2Qp2c16HK6C1NUXSA5me7t7-~J2o5-kMgPbzvDU~DutdWIeQNQ0ZBlt3jwiHriTR-e9lRhIv2Tb9p3PzjfUkjFXw0474TzgIXZQ4SM7Q0BM7TZQJyAp h9zlQ_

kathy88
04-21-2012, 10:11 AM
Like the recycled sign from '08.

#ronpaul #frugal

sailingaway
04-21-2012, 10:11 AM
Kory Watkins ‏ @KoryWatkins
Robert Paul is here. #Grandson of #RonPaul

woot! They came loaded for bear!!

sailingaway
04-21-2012, 10:11 AM
Like the recycled sign from '08.

#ronpaul #frugal

#cheapashell

:D

sailingaway
04-21-2012, 10:14 AM
Amanda White ‏ @ooooo_aahhh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
297 delegates in attendance 6thCD #ronpaul #showmeliberty #mogop

kathy88
04-21-2012, 10:23 AM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to sailingaway again.

IOU 1

sailingaway
04-21-2012, 10:24 AM
Missouri for RonPaul ‏ @Ronpaulmissouri Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Wow ok so they seated the #jeffco delegates that are blatantly extorted. #cd2 not pretty here.

these were the ones we challenged for fraud and voter suppression WITH the Romney folks who obviously changed their mind when the Santa party tools became Romney party tools.

That is NOT good about the way the convention is going.

kathy88
04-21-2012, 10:25 AM
Amanda White ‏ @ooooo_aahhh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Clay county contesting slate to CD...unnamed delegates selected at caucus, broken caucus/party rules #ronpaul #showmeliberty #mogop

kathy88
04-21-2012, 10:26 AM
#cheatingassmofos

sailingaway
04-21-2012, 10:29 AM
#cheatingassmofos

#everybitofthat

ClydeCoulter
04-21-2012, 10:37 AM
Tweet for me:
Clyde Coulter is disappointed in #jefco his old stomping grounds #ronpaul #mogop

kathy88
04-21-2012, 10:38 AM
Tweet for me:
Clyde Coulter is disappointed in #jefco his old stomping grounds #ronpaul #mogop

Done. :)

ClydeCoulter
04-21-2012, 10:39 AM
Done. :)
+rep, thanks :)

Edit: Yea, I'm suspended again :(

Roxi
04-21-2012, 10:41 AM
CD 7 in Pierce City

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/s720x720/62636_10150843147631155_626616154_12002416_1729175 260_n.jpg

Roxi
04-21-2012, 10:45 AM
Report from 6th district: Some delegates didn't show up and not enough alternates to fill their place.

Some of this is because when they did the redistricting many people who had moved were in the 6th district at their old addresses in the GOP system and when they updated their addresses it put them in the 5th district.

sailingaway
04-21-2012, 10:45 AM
two different conventions:


Amanda White ‏ @ooooo_aahhh
James Thomas elected chair 6thCD #ronpaul #mogop #showmeliberty


7m Missouri for RonPaul ‏ @Ronpaulmissouri
Ok here we go. Delegate slates up.

Roxi
04-21-2012, 10:47 AM
6th CD: The chair selected is James Thomas. (not a RP guy)

Someone is trying to ban cell phones

sailingaway
04-21-2012, 10:48 AM
Amanda White ‏ @ooooo_aahhh Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
@osbournequinn apparently clay county had a preorganzied slate in which delegates were not in attendance for caucus. Slate was railroaded

Roxi
04-21-2012, 10:50 AM
Police just removed a RP supporter from his chair CD6

Edit: Tonya Hilt says he appeared drunk. Didn't think he was a real supporter.

We are dealing with some shady people here folks.


EDIT 2: Guy had a Romney sticker on - nothing to see here :D

sailingaway
04-21-2012, 10:54 AM
Bad.


Missouri for RonPaul ‏ @Ronpaulmissouri Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
#mocaucus #cd2 Romney santorum slate took it. No pauls at all. Im pist!

sailingaway
04-21-2012, 10:55 AM
Police just removed a RP supporter from his chair CD6

Edit: Tonya Hilt says he appeared drunk. Didn't think he was a real supporter.

We are dealing with some shady people here folks.

wow.

well, there is always taking the party that won't let us participate down.

ClydeCoulter
04-21-2012, 10:56 AM
Police just removed a RP supporter from his chair CD6

Edit: Tonya Hilt says he appeared drunk. Didn't think he was a real supporter.

We are dealing with some shady people here folks.

What hash tag are you following?

sailingaway
04-21-2012, 10:57 AM
Police just removed a RP supporter from his chair CD6

Edit: Tonya Hilt says he appeared drunk. Didn't think he was a real supporter.

We are dealing with some shady people here folks.

tweet back with hash tag that it looks like a smear job on Ron Paul supporters.

this is nonsense.

Roxi
04-21-2012, 10:59 AM
Santorum people teamed up with Romney - they are taking the 6th CD caucus :(

RPit
04-21-2012, 10:59 AM
Bad.


Missouri for RonPaul ‏ @Ronpaulmissouri Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
#mocaucus #cd2 Romney santorum slate took it. No pauls at all. Im pist!

damn

Roxi
04-21-2012, 11:00 AM
What hash tag are you following?

Not a hash tag - I'm in the 6th district but I couldn't attend.

I have friends there updating me.

kathy88
04-21-2012, 11:00 AM
Santorum people teamed up with Romney - they are taking the 6th CD caucus :(

Traiterous assholes.

Roxi
04-21-2012, 11:01 AM
They are nominating slates as we speak

Roxi
04-21-2012, 11:03 AM
5th CD report: They are trying to get them to vote before seating all the delegates - total shadiness going on there too


ETA: Robert's rules of order NOT being followed

ClydeCoulter
04-21-2012, 11:05 AM
Roxi Nevin ‏ @RoxiNevin Scratch that... guy turned out to be a Romney supporter #ronpaul #mogop

That was the "drunk removed from his seat" tweeter

RPit
04-21-2012, 11:10 AM
santorum folks are pricks. there are 2 blocks in gop now "anyone but romney" and "anyone but Paul" who do they hate more will determine the outcome.

PaulSoHard
04-21-2012, 11:11 AM
Missouri for RonPaul ‏ @Ronpaulmissouri Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
#mocaucus #cd2 Romney santorum slate took it. No pauls at all. Im pist!

Roxi
04-21-2012, 11:13 AM
6th CD is over

1-Gingrich
1-Romney
1-Santorum

alternates are the same :(

RPit
04-21-2012, 11:13 AM
today doesn't look so good

Roxi
04-21-2012, 11:14 AM
Roxi Nevin ‏ @RoxiNevin Scratch that... guy turned out to be a Romney supporter #ronpaul #mogop

That was the "drunk removed from his seat" tweeter

Thats me :D

kathy88
04-21-2012, 11:14 AM
Thats me :D

I just followed you.

Roxi
04-21-2012, 11:16 AM
My best friend Brianna and other good friend Sarah were just selected as delegates for the 6th district (both RP supporters obviously) :D

Roxi
04-21-2012, 11:17 AM
I just followed you.

I followed you too :D

PaulSoHard
04-21-2012, 11:17 AM
Roxi Nevin ‏ @RoxiNevin Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
6th CD Caucus is over 1-Romney 1-Gingrich 1-Santy - alternates are same :( #mogop #ronpaul #mocaucus

what in the?

Darguth
04-21-2012, 11:24 AM
Roxi Nevin ‏ @RoxiNevin Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
6th CD Caucus is over 1-Romney 1-Gingrich 1-Santy - alternates are same :( #mogop #ronpaul #mocaucus

what in the?

Were we expected to do well there?

PaulSoHard
04-21-2012, 11:28 AM
Were we expected to do well there?
Not sure, but Brent Stafford (St. Charles coordinator/chair) said there's a good chance that Missouri is ours. 7 more CDs to go

defe07
04-21-2012, 11:31 AM
roxic27: I'm confused, you just put out that the results of MO-6 weren't favorable but your 2 friends were selected delegates? What's up?

Titus
04-21-2012, 11:31 AM
@Moderators, can we have the first post of this thread edited with current delegate counts?

Roxi
04-21-2012, 11:32 AM
CD5: Someone motioned to follow rules and regulations - Legitimacy of rules and regulations being debated

RPit
04-21-2012, 11:32 AM
Not sure, but Brent Stafford (St. Charles coordinator/chair) said there's a good chance that Missouri is ours. 7 more CDs to go

since santorum combined with them it means we need to have more votes than all the rest combined. so this is difficult, if santorum was still in the race we could win much easily

Roxi
04-21-2012, 11:33 AM
roxic27: I'm confused, you just put out that the results of MO-6 weren't favorable but your 2 friends were selected delegates? What's up?


Sorry for the confusion - my friends that were selected as delegates were in the 5th CD. The results that I posted for the caucus that is over is the 6th CD

ClydeCoulter
04-21-2012, 11:37 AM
Chad Davis ‏ @Scott_Wheat @RoxiNevin how does newt get a delegate when he wasn't even registered in mo? #mocaucus

??

defe07
04-21-2012, 11:37 AM
So we won MO-5?

Roxi
04-21-2012, 11:47 AM
So we won MO-5?

Not yet... It's a bit confusing because order isn't being followed

Chair hasn't been voted in yet. They were just discussing the integrity of the Clay county caucus. Because of Clay counties potential voter fraud they have been denied seats.

In regard to Newt - he didn't file for the primary but it is still allowed to select a delegate for him.

Darguth
04-21-2012, 11:48 AM
Chad Davis ‏ @Scott_Wheat @RoxiNevin how does newt get a delegate when he wasn't even registered in mo? #mocaucus

??

This is total speculation on my part but I'd guess that the Santorum and Gingrich delegates in CD6 are likely just pro-Romney but were marketed as being for the other two in order to sway over their supporters. Much like the Washington "Unity" Slate tactic.

PaulSoHard
04-21-2012, 11:52 AM
Lisa J. Emerson ‏ @LisaJEmerson Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Clay County has been denied. #mocaucus

I'm assuming because our people revolted against the fraud in Clay County. Those delegates are now being denied a seat at the CD convention

Roxi
04-21-2012, 11:53 AM
CD5 Update: Amendment to deny seats to Clay county passed 103 to 58

ClydeCoulter
04-21-2012, 11:53 AM
Roxi Nevin ‏ @RoxiNevin CD 5 Caucus: Clay county has been denied seats for potential voter fraud. #mogop #ronpaul #mocaucus

Who was Clay County for?

bultza
04-21-2012, 11:55 AM
Clay county is 6 CD

Roxi
04-21-2012, 12:05 PM
CD 5 Update: Our numbers look great!

Voting on the Paul Trask challenges now (he's our guy) there are aprox 200 in attendance, 130 of those are RP people. Mark Anthony Jones has a clear majority and is assumed to be selected as chairman MAJ is an awesome guy and hardcore RP supporter.

Roxi
04-21-2012, 12:06 PM
Clay county is 6 CD

No Clay county is 5th district

RPit
04-21-2012, 12:07 PM
No Clay county is 5th district

could be in both?

bultza
04-21-2012, 12:10 PM
maybe

Roxi
04-21-2012, 12:19 PM
CD5 Update: Mark Anthony Jones won the chair seat 149 to 45. Voting on officers now.

federico84
04-21-2012, 12:21 PM
LastLink ‏ @LastLink
Second vote: 145 (majority) Unity, 36 Santorum, 102 True Republican Unity. Romney receives 3 alternatives and 3 delegates. CD4 #mocaucus

Really, 3+3 Romney? Isn't 4th district a basically rural one?
I can't figure...

RPit
04-21-2012, 12:24 PM
Ya today isn't going to be good. The moment Santorum dropped out it became a vertical climb.

PaulSoHard
04-21-2012, 12:35 PM
We're going to do well in CD5. Mark Anthony Jones was elected as the chair

CD4 goes to Romney, CD2 (Romney/Santorum slate) as well. CD 6 (Gingrich 1, Santorum 1, Romney 1). A Paul supporter was elected as Secretary in CD7.

Bad start to the day.

PaulSoHard
04-21-2012, 12:42 PM
Becky Davidson ‏ @beckydavidson Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Missouri cd#1 unity slate 1 ron paul, 1 romney, 1 santorum #mocaucus

CompGuy ‏ @FreeSebha Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
#mocaucus CD 8 goes to Gingrich and Romney Gingrich gets 2 delegates Romney gets 1 all ALTS are Pro-Gingrich

FSP-Rebel
04-21-2012, 12:43 PM
We're going to do well in CD5. Mark Anthony Jones was elected as the chair

CD4 goes to Romney, CD2 (Romney/Santorum slate) as well. CD 6 (Gingrich 1, Santorum 1, Romney 1). A Paul supporter was elected as Secretary in CD7.

Bad start to the day.
Sounds like the Tigers game I'm watching atm.

PaulSoHard
04-21-2012, 01:31 PM
CompGuy ‏ @FreeSebha Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
#mocaucus a Paul delegate just switched to Romney in CD 1

????

libertythor
04-21-2012, 01:34 PM
Do we have a shot at making waves at the state convention in Springfield?

Roxi
04-21-2012, 02:07 PM
CD5 Update: Meeting Adjourned. Ron Paul Constitution slate won 114 to 31

Elector is Michael Koop

3 National Delegates are Mark Anthony Jones, Paul Trask, and Ralph Munyan... all our guys! 3 Alternates are Mark Moore, Aaron Chandler, and Claudia Toomim. 2 of those I recognize as RP people, one I do not.

PaulSoHard
04-21-2012, 02:08 PM
Here's what I have (unofficial)

CD1: 1 Paul, 1 Romney, 1 Santorum
CD2: Romney/Santorum slate (no count)
CD3:
CD4: 3 Romney
CD5: 3 Paul
CD6: 1 Romney, 1 Gingrich, 1 Santorum
CD7: 2 Santorum, 1 Romney
CD8: 2 Gingrich, 1 Romney

Roxi
04-21-2012, 02:09 PM
Do we have a shot at making waves at the state convention in Springfield?

Definitely. Do not underestimate Mark Anthony Jones and Paul Trask. These guys know their stuff, are hardcore RP, and will not let any bullshit slide.

I'll be at the State Convention and will try to do live blogging if there is wifi. Otherwise will try to select someone to come here and post in my name.

Agorism
04-21-2012, 02:11 PM
Here's what I have (unofficial)

CD1: 1 Paul, 1 Romney, 1 Santorum
CD2: Romney/Santorum slate (no count)
CD3:
CD4: 3 Romney
CD5: 3 Paul
CD6: 1 Romney, 1 Gingrich, 1 Santorum
CD7: 2 Santorum, 1 Romney
CD8: 2 Gingrich, 1 Romney


We did slightly better sending delegates to state convention rather than district national ones then?

sailingaway
04-21-2012, 02:14 PM
We did slightly better sending delegates to state convention rather than district national ones then?

Yeah. But the Romney folks reneged on their challenge of the party tool stand ins for Santorum delegates in Jefferson county, brought because of tactics amounting to voter suppression, now that the party tools are Romney's party tools.

libertythor
04-21-2012, 02:19 PM
My Mom was at District 4 today. I will post her account of the proceedings once I get a hold of her.

PaulSoHard
04-21-2012, 02:20 PM
We did slightly better sending delegates to state convention rather than district national ones then?
I think so. Just like what happened in Colorado, I hope we can rebound at State like Romney did (but fairly)

Suzu
04-21-2012, 02:51 PM
Here's what I have (unofficial)

CD1: 1 Paul, 1 Romney, 1 Santorum
CD2: Romney/Santorum slate (no count)
CD3:
CD4: 3 Romney
CD5: 3 Paul
CD6: 1 Romney, 1 Gingrich, 1 Santorum
CD7: 2 Santorum, 1 Romney
CD8: 2 Gingrich, 1 Romney
Looks to me like our turnout was lousy. We should have had a lot more than this.

RPit
04-21-2012, 02:54 PM
SO given that most likely the other candidates are going to 'combine' against us. means we got 4 out of 21 so far- damn. SO it'll be 4 vs 17 :( (thus far)

PaulSoHard
04-21-2012, 02:55 PM
Heard we lost CD3 as well :(

Let's bring the fire at the State Convention. I understand that the Missouri convention is organized into slates, so as long as we have a majority, we can take every spot.

Agorism
04-21-2012, 03:01 PM
SO given that most likely the other candidates are going to 'combine' against us. means we got 4 out of 21 so far- damn. SO it'll be 4 vs 17 :( (thus far)

Nope, they are electing national delegates as I understand it.

sailingaway
04-21-2012, 03:01 PM
Looks to me like our turnout was lousy. We should have had a lot more than this.

Or they cheated. Remember all the party tools that were acting for Santorum will have fallen in behind Romney now, essentially giving him twice as much, more or less.

sailingaway
04-21-2012, 03:02 PM
Nope, they are electing national delegates as I understand it.

Exactly. They are going to Tampa. But we have to win the state convention to have a plurality and that will be interesting. I don't know if we will or won't have the strength. If the Jefferson County challenge had stuck, I think Ron would have had the majority, but now I'm not sure, particularly given the games the other side is playing.

I mean, no one acting on the up and up had to make people turn off cell phones etc.

rpwi
04-21-2012, 03:46 PM
What's with all the Gingrich delegates?

defe07
04-21-2012, 03:48 PM
Any news on MO-3?

PaulSoHard
04-21-2012, 04:04 PM
Allison Miller ‏ @allijmiller Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
We lost cd3..barely :( Oh well we still have State Convention. We'll win it! #mocaucus

Dunno what the count is.

Romney could have as many as 12 delegates coming out of Missouri today, Santorum as many as 9, Paul is a definite 4 and Gingrich 3 (?). I don't see any exact counts for CD2 and CD3, but acknowledging the fact that a Romney/Santorum slate won CD2.

From what I understand the Missouri State Convention elects delegates to National based on slate, so just ask as many people to show up

RPit
04-21-2012, 04:07 PM
How many delegates are being selected retthrough CDs and how many through State? Just wondering if there is still a possibility to pull a plurality given that the CDs went pretty bad.

PaulSoHard
04-21-2012, 04:12 PM
How many delegates are being selected retthrough CDs and how many through State? Just wondering if there is still a possibility to pull a plurality given that the CDs went pretty bad.
We still definitely have a shot.

24 delegates are elected by CD. 25 are elected at State. Then the 3 superdelegates.

tsai3904
04-21-2012, 04:15 PM
Results per Missouri GOP:

http://www.mogop.org/2012/04/6241/

Romney - 12 (50.0%)
Santorum - 7 (29.2%)
Paul - 4 (16.7%)
Gingrich - 1 (4.2%)

PaulSoHard
04-21-2012, 04:25 PM
To reinforce the state convention:

Before voting begins, the National Convention Delegate candidates indicate their Presidential Preference and organize into slates. The Convention participants then cast ballots for a slate rather than the individual candidates. The slate receiving the most votes, goes to the National Convention.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/MO-R

I have a feeling that slates will work to our advantage as long as we have a majority of supporters.

sailingaway
04-21-2012, 04:26 PM
To reinforce the state convention:


http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/MO-R

I have a feeling that slates will work to our advantage as long as we have a majority of supporters.

but it will have to be an outright majority.

PaulSoHard
04-21-2012, 04:31 PM
but it will have to be an outright majority.
exactly. Just need to get people to show up

Titus
04-21-2012, 05:17 PM
I smell carpools in MO's future. The entire state can be traversed in five hours tops. I've done it a few times.

DonovanJames
04-21-2012, 05:51 PM
I think what we're going to be trying to do in Greene County is openning up our houses and extra rooms for delegates coming from around the State so people can stay in Springfield affordably -- I'll have to run this by the other guys (gals) and see what we can do for accomidations.

Yes we will have more in attendance for State than was distributed around the CD's such as Jackson county for instance. I don't know how much merit that leaves now that it is clear, in actions, where the majority Santorum coalition has decided to ascertain their votes (proverbially nailing the coffin IMO).

Not only was it a shutout in CD7 but a proposal during a recessed caucus to do a 1 v 1 v 1 split was denied by the Christian (37) and Newton (26) county voting blocks. These were predominantly Santorum.

It all was orchestrated in my mind by the power of the Chair, there was a tone of setting up the Us vs Them mentality with every vote, move and discussion that I didn't take to well. For instance when a motion was asked to set the section pertaining to Voting within the rules for discussion and it's own vote; instead of right then and there taking a 2nd and calling to question the vote.. the chair insisted to ask why and for what purpose it was being done.

Had the proposer of the amendment denied comment, it would of been taken ill and voted down. But he did say that it was so we could vote via secret ballot for slates. (Which would alleviate the social/political/church/dowhateveryoneelseisdoing pressure that comes from a "Standing Vote") but the chair continued to announce the call to question as "What they want to do, is a paper ballot instead of the way we're used too. So we'll have to pass out a paper to everyone and collect them all and hand count them..." -- that would be the best example picture I could depict of the day.

I think I am going to get a six pack and go fishing. Whilst looking out over that lake I would love to just not think. For atleast and hour.

sailingaway
04-21-2012, 05:53 PM
I'm hoping some key evangelicals come out for Ron before the state convention. Also, we have a lot of alternates if their delegates don't show up and not all will be party tools.

Thanks for fighting the good fight!

Titus
04-21-2012, 07:40 PM
I think what we're going to be trying to do in Greene County is openning up our houses and extra rooms for delegates coming from around the State so people can stay in Springfield affordably -- I'll have to run this by the other guys (gals) and see what we can do for accomidations.

Yes we will have more in attendance for State than was distributed around the CD's such as Jackson county for instance. I don't know how much merit that leaves now that it is clear, in actions, where the majority Santorum coalition has decided to ascertain their votes (proverbially nailing the coffin IMO).

Not only was it a shutout in CD7 but a proposal during a recessed caucus to do a 1 v 1 v 1 split was denied by the Christian (37) and Newton (26) county voting blocks. These were predominantly Santorum.

It all was orchestrated in my mind by the power of the Chair, there was a tone of setting up the Us vs Them mentality with every vote, move and discussion that I didn't take to well. For instance when a motion was asked to set the section pertaining to Voting within the rules for discussion and it's own vote; instead of right then and there taking a 2nd and calling to question the vote.. the chair insisted to ask why and for what purpose it was being done.

Had the proposer of the amendment denied comment, it would of been taken ill and voted down. But he did say that it was so we could vote via secret ballot for slates. (Which would alleviate the social/political/church/dowhateveryoneelseisdoing pressure that comes from a "Standing Vote") but the chair continued to announce the call to question as "What they want to do, is a paper ballot instead of the way we're used too. So we'll have to pass out a paper to everyone and collect them all and hand count them..." -- that would be the best example picture I could depict of the day.

I think I am going to get a six pack and go fishing. Whilst looking out over that lake I would love to just not think. For atleast and hour.

Secret ballots are against the RRO I believe.

DonovanJames
04-21-2012, 07:53 PM
Secret ballots are against the RRO I believe.

Article VIII of RRO 11th Ed. - 8th paragraph down:

Voting by Ballot. The main object of this form of voting is secrecy, and it is resorted to when the question is of such a nature that some members might hesitate to vote publicly their true sentiments. Its special use is in the reception of members, elections, and trials of members and officers, as well as in the preliminary steps in both cases, and the by-laws should require the vote to be by ballot in such cases. Where the by-laws do not require the vote to be by ballot, it can be so ordered by a majority vote, or by general consent. Such motions are undebatable. Voting by ballot is rarely, if ever, used in legislative bodies, but in ordinary societies, especially secret ones, it is habitually used in connection with elections and trials, and sometimes for the selection of the next place for the meeting of a convention. As the usual object of the ballot is secrecy, where the by-laws require the vote to be taken by ballot any motion is out of order which members cannot oppose without exposing their views on the question to be decided by ballot. Thus, it is out of order to move that one person cast the ballot of the assembly for a certain person when the by-laws require the vote to be by ballot. So, when the ballot is not unanimous it is out of order to move to make the vote unanimous, unless the motion is voted on by ballot so as to allow members to vote against it in secrecy.

Titus
04-21-2012, 08:43 PM
Ok. My mistake. :)