Cornell: Students Plan Protest

[V3n]

hxxp://www.ivygateblog.com/2012/04/students-want-to-protest-ron-paul-but-just-cant-decide-how/

Regarding the student's opinion of Ron Paul's views on the DREAM Act, birth-right citizenship, and welfare...


That doesn’t sit too well with Cornell’s aptly named DREAM Team, a student organization created to support undocumented students and the recent recipients of the James A. Perkins Prize for Interracial Understanding and Harmony. As ambassadors for interracial understanding and harmony, the group plans to protest Paul by, you know, throwing things at the candidate because they don’t like what he has to say.

According to the article a school club is planning some sort of protest at the Cornell rally. Either throwing pillows, wearing pajamas, or handing out flyers.. The tone of the article is over the top sarcastic, so I can't tell if it's serious or not. Just wanted to give a heads up to anyone planning to attend the rally at Cornell.

I hope they stick around and listen to what he has to say, they might learn something.

EDIT: I've misspelled Cornell - if a mod could edit the title to add the missing "L" at the end, I'd appreciate it. (obvious why I couldn't get in!)

[Anti Federalist]

They might be surprised, that if they just speak out, instead of throwing shit, they might not getting dragged off in handcuffs by 20 cops because our guy, unlike other politicians, will probably let them speak and have a discussion.

[alucard13mmfmj]

So the Dream Team does not mind having tuition that increases 8-12% every year or so and lack of space in classes?

People like the Dream Team is exactly why I left the democrats... However, there are groups in the GOP that makes me barf as well.

Bleeding heart liberals.

[Czolgosz]

They might be surprised, that if they just speak out, instead of throwing shit, they might not getting dragged off in handcuffs by 20 cops because our guy, unlike other politicians, will probably let them speak and have a discussion.

Yep.

Ron is a fantastic guy. To treat him in such regard shows BIG TIME ignorance.

[jmdrake]

LOL. That should be good. Remember what happened to the "Occupy" guy that tried to protest Paul? Ron killed him with kindness and finding common ground.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cJCqw8XVw0

I suspect he'd find common ground with the "DREAMERS" as well.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57369958-503544/ron-paul-tells-hispanic-crowd-he-opposes-dream-act/

[PolicyReader]

They might be surprised, that if they just speak out, instead of throwing shit, they might not getting dragged off in handcuffs by 20 cops because our guy, unlike other politicians, will probably let them speak and have a discussion.
Indeed, hope they stick around long enough to hear what he actually says as opposed to the MSM talking points that have been tagged on to him. Hard to be a single issue voter when you starting paying attention to how much each issue effects everything else.

[sailingaway]

He's been protested before. Obots clearly don't want him to be seen as the champion chosen by youth and want a counternarrative to his rally.

[Anti Federalist]

That is exactly the incident I was thinking of.


LOL. That should be good. Remember what happened to the "Occupy" guy that tried to protest Paul? Ron killed him with kindness and finding common ground.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cJCqw8XVw0

I suspect he'd find common ground with the "DREAMERS" as well.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57369958-503544/ron-paul-tells-hispanic-crowd-he-opposes-dream-act/

[V3n]

I think the "DREAM team" may just be outnumbered. I just found this:

http://cornellinsider.com/2012/04/12/breaking-ron-paul-is-coming-to-cornell/


Paul’s decision to come to Ithaca is undoubtedly affected by the fact that Cornell currently has the seventh largest Youth for Ron Paul chapter in the United States, with 1,381 members.

Excellent!

[Rocco]

As somebody who will be attending this event, I forwarded our concerns to Edward King, the national coordinator of Youth for Ron Paul, who is hosting the event. I'm sure the campaign will be prepared to handle all distractions!

[WilliamC]

LOL. That should be good. Remember what happened to the "Occupy" guy that tried to protest Paul? Ron killed him with kindness and finding common ground.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cJCqw8XVw0

I suspect he'd find common ground with the "DREAMERS" as well.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57369958-503544/ron-paul-tells-hispanic-crowd-he-opposes-dream-act/

This is why I support Ron Paul, he is not pandering to protesters, he's simply letting them exercise their free speech and giving them a respectful reply.

That's why I try not to be too disrespectful to those I engage here in debate (well there are a few folks on my ignore list) even when I feel as if they are either deliberately lying to me or simply not bothering to read what I write and reply instead to whatever it is they pretend I said in order to push their agenda.

And that's why I actually like having some here with dissenting opinions, so long as they aren't being deliberately insulting or advocating things that could get people in trouble for agreeing with them.

It's good for me to be challenged by others with strong convictions that they are right and I am wrong, it forces me to be vigalent in my own mind against mistakes and irrationalities I might make or have.

[V3n]

As somebody who will be attending this event, I forwarded our concerns to Edward King, the national coordinator of Youth for Ron Paul, who is hosting the event. I'm sure the campaign will be prepared to handle all distractions!

Good move! I just hope everyone in attendance knows they just need a little education, not intimidation.

Have fun at the rally and give us a full report!!

[sailingaway]

Good move! I just hope everyone in attendance knows they just need a little education, not intimidation.

Have fun at the rally and give us a full report!!

Don't count on winning over people here illegally who are looking at it as their ticket to legalization and college funding. there is such a thing as having a stake in the argument.

[kathy88]

Cool. I'll be there. Guess I need to bring my tazer.


KIDDING

[BamaAla]

So the Dream Team does not mind having tuition that increases 8-12% every year or so and lack of space in classes?

People like the Dream Team is exactly why I left the democrats... However, there are groups in the GOP that makes me barf as well.

Bleeding heart liberals.

Nah, they'd don't mind; it's not like they pay their own tuition.

[PaulConventionWV]

They are aptly named the "DREAM team" because they live in fantasyland.

[FreedomDog]

Look at Cornell's info on the venue where this will be held. http://www.cornellbigred.com/sports/2007/7/30/LynahRink.aspx "Lynah is capable of holding 4,267" "Although many rinks in the nation are larger in seating capacity, few are known to be louder"

Sounds like it will be an epic event to attend, hope one of you there brings a good video camera!

[kathy88]

Look at Cornell's info on the venue where this will be held. http://www.cornellbigred.com/sports/2007/7/30/LynahRink.aspx "Lynah is capable of holding 4,267" "Although many rinks in the nation are larger in seating capacity, few are known to be louder"

Sounds like it will be an epic event to attend, hope one of you there brings a good video camera!

I will try to do just that.

[Rocco]

Kathy, we also will be signwaving before the event! I'll give you more details when available if you want to come out and meet some liberty lovers from the area!


I will try to do just that.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I don't have the vocabulary to express how angry I am it's 2012 and we're still not past race.

[PaulSoHard]

Ron Paul is not afraid of any man, group, or system

[Okie RP fan]

Young socialists protesting to be protesting.

Gotta love it.

[kathy88]

Kathy, we also will be signwaving before the event! I'll give you more details when available if you want to come out and meet some liberty lovers from the area!

Yes, give me details we would love to participate :) I'm bringing my son and his friend, they are PUMPED.

[Rocco]

I'll have to ask my friend, Ray (him and I organized the Tolley speech) the exact details, but I'd imagine it'll start around 3:30 or so and go til the event opens up at 6:30. That is speculation, however, and as soon as I know for sure I will let you know!


Yes, give me details we would love to participate :) I'm bringing my son and his friend, they are PUMPED.

[kathy88]

I'll have to ask my friend, Ray (him and I organized the Tolley speech) the exact details, but I'd imagine it'll start around 3:30 or so and go til the event opens up at 6:30. That is speculation, however, and as soon as I know for sure I will let you know!

WE need RPF nametags so we can all find each other :) :) :) I just added another to my carpool and there's a crew coming from my office. Should be fun.

[seawolf]

I sure hope the YFRP Speaker at the Cornell Rally will ask the attendees to make a donation at the Official Campaign Website.

This is a MUST......we need NEW DONORS to support our Champion!!!

[Rocco]

I would be happy to meet any and all RPF people attending the rally! I'll be around the arena all day!

WE need RPF nametags so we can all find each other :) :) :) I just added another to my carpool and there's a crew coming from my office. Should be fun.

[kathy88]

I would be happy to meet any and all RPF people attending the rally! I'll be around the arena all day!

All four in my vehicle are RPFers :) They aren't psycho with it like me, though.

[tony m]

We will be there. If everything goes right, we will have a huge, killer Ron Paul Liberty display.

The C4L Don't Tread on Me and Franklin's Join or Die flags will be flying high in the air.

Do stop by and say hello. Carrie and I will be hosting.

[Blue]

I'm going to be in Florida while this rally is taking place. Was bummed out when I heard he was coming and I was gonna miss out. I'm only about 2 hours away. Some of my friends are going to the event. Gonna let them know about these pillow throwers.

[kathy88]

I have a bunch of Ron Paul Blimps. I think I'll try to find some helium and blow them up and give them out at the sign wave. Kids love em.

[J_White]

they wont dare to discuss, because they might be scared of common sense being fed to them !

[sailingaway]

I have a bunch of Ron Paul Blimps. I think I'll try to find some helium and blow them up and give them out at the sign wave. Kids love em.

Everyone loves them....

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06NI3uvdNz6Am/350x.jpg

[Anti Federalist]

Everyone loves them....

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06NI3uvdNz6Am/350x.jpg

Blimpin' ain't easy.

[Paul Or Nothing II]

So the Dream Team does not mind having tuition that increases 8-12% every year or so and lack of space in classes?

People like the Dream Team is exactly why I left the democrats... However, there are groups in the GOP that makes me barf as well.

Bleeding heart liberals.

Well, good thing you left'em then :)


Don't count on winning over people here illegally who are looking at it as their ticket to legalization and college funding. there is such a thing as having a stake in the argument.

Yeah, it's arguing the validity & necessity of Fed with Bernanke; it's unlikely that he'll agree on that irrespective how cogent one's arguments are

Getting the truth out isn't that difficult but the problem is that most people most of the times don't want to hear it because they've self-interest at stake


They are aptly named the "DREAM team" because they live in fantasyland.

Well said :D


I don't have the vocabulary to express how angry I am it's 2012 and we're still not past race.

Well, freeloaders will use every excuse they can to justify their freeloading, especially when they can blackmail others into submission by doing something, then they will!

[sailingaway]

http://static.ivygateblog.com.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/rtr2ilq3-300x200.jpg

attend and BOO? At a RON PAUL rally?

That should be fascinating....

Wearing pajamas is no problem. I absolutely support their right to wear pajamas.... :p

http://www.ivygateblog.com/2012/04/students-want-to-protest-ron-paul-but-just-cant-decide-how/

[Rocco]

I have emailed Ed King, the Youth For Paul national coordinator, and alerted him of this if he didnt know before!

[kathy88]

Maybe the press will show up if there's a protest :)

[slamhead]

I hope they show up and get their asses kicked. Clueless fucks.

[jmdrake]

This is why I support Ron Paul, he is not pandering to protesters, he's simply letting them exercise their free speech and giving them a respectful reply.

That's why I try not to be too disrespectful to those I engage here in debate (well there are a few folks on my ignore list) even when I feel as if they are either deliberately lying to me or simply not bothering to read what I write and reply instead to whatever it is they pretend I said in order to push their agenda.

And that's why I actually like having some here with dissenting opinions, so long as they aren't being deliberately insulting or advocating things that could get people in trouble for agreeing with them.

It's good for me to be challenged by others with strong convictions that they are right and I am wrong, it forces me to be vigalent in my own mind against mistakes and irrationalities I might make or have.

Great outlook! I need to cultivate that attitude myself.

[jmdrake]

Don't count on winning over people here illegally who are looking at it as their ticket to legalization and college funding. there is such a thing as having a stake in the argument.

Not if you put it like that. But people who are looking for a "ticket to legalization and college funding" might be open to hearing another view. Here are some things Ron has said on the issue that might be taken positive by the people you've described.

http://www.issues2000.org/tx/Ron_Paul_Immigration.htm
Give illegals limbo status: a green card with an asterisk
Immigrants who can't be sent back due to the magnitude of the problem should not be given citizenship--no amnesty should be granted. Maybe a "green card" with an asterisk could be issued. This in-between status, keeping illegal immigrants in limbo, will be said that it will create a class of 2nd-class citizens. Yet it could be argued that it may well allow some immigrants who come here illegally a beneficial status without automatic citizenship--a much better option than deportation.
Source: Liberty Defined, by Rep. Ron Paul, p.156 , Apr 19, 2011

Sending 12M illegals home won't & shouldn't happen
Even with a healthy economy and stricter border controls, the issue of what to do with twelve-million-plus illegals already here would persist. One side says use the U.S. Army, round them up, and ship them home. The other side says give them amnesty, make them full-fledged citizens, and reward the lawbreakers, thus insulting and unfairly penalizing those who have patiently waited and obeyed our immigration laws. The first choice--sending twelve to fifteen million illegals home--isn't going to happen and should not happen. Neither the determination or the ability to accomplish it exists. Besides, if each case is looked at separately, we would find ourselves splitting up families and deporting some who have lived here for decades, if not their entire life, and who never lived for any length of time in Mexico.
Source: Liberty Defined, by Rep. Ron Paul, p.153 , Apr 19, 2011

If economy were good, there’d be no immigration problem
Q: When you ran for president in 1988, you said, “As in our country’s first 150 years, there shouldn’t be any immigration policy at all. We should welcome everyone who wants to come here and work.” You’ve changed your view.

A: And during that campaign I got into trouble with Libertarians because I said there may well be a time when immigration is like an invasion and we have to treat it differently. My approach to immigration is somewhat different than the others. Mine is you deal with it economically We’re in worse shape now because we subsidize immigration. We give food stamps, Social Security, free medical care, free education and amnesty. So you subsidize it, and you have a mess. Conditions have changed. And I think this means that we should look at immigration differently. It’s an economic issue more than anything. If our economy was in good health, I don’t think there’d be an immigration problem. We’d be looking for workers and we would be very generous.

So Ron's view? Don't grant legal status to those who broke the law to get here, but don't deport them either. Demagnetize our nation by cutting back the welfare state and moving people to independence, and improve the economy. Do those things and well as getting the government out of the education business, which is driving up the cost for everybody, and the American "dream" because more possible for the native born and the immigrants of all stripes.

[sailingaway]

I hope they show up and get their asses kicked. Clueless fucks.

We represent Ron, and won't want to be picking fights. Even if they are.

[Roxi]

I hope they show up and get their asses kicked. Clueless fucks.

UM what? By who? Are you suggesting Ron Paul supporters should physically assault people who are protesting? If all the RP supporters who have gone to other candidates rallies and protested "got their asses kicked" we'd be crying foul and raising a ruckus.

Are you mentally disabled?

[mickey mouse joy division]

Ignore the idiots. :)

[Lishy]

The only people who would protest Ron Paul are in-denial commies not even educated about their own ideology! (And I'm saying this as a former communist myself. In fact, I still think Che was a cool guy! Just not these uneducated hipsters...)

[seeker4sho]

http://static.ivygateblog.com.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/rtr2ilq3-300x200.jpg

attend and BOO? At a RON PAUL rally?

That should be fascinating....

Wearing pajamas is no problem. I absolutely support their right to wear pajamas.... :p

http://www.ivygateblog.com/2012/04/students-want-to-protest-ron-paul-but-just-cant-decide-how/

I suggest they donate to the Ron Paul Money Bomb, that will show us :o)

[LisaNY]

at times like this I wish Ron took Secret Service protection. Especially since they are talking about throwing things at him.

[dfalken]

Argghhh...I graduated Cornell 17 years ago...it figures idiots from my school would be the one's protesting!

[Tiso0770]

Go up to one of them and ask for a pillow to sit on and then hug them if they do.

[JoshLowry]

Don't protest at Paul events, you will simply look stupid.

And on top of that you'll be documented as being stupid for as long as the internet is around.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4bpgnkNN7Q

[sailingaway]

Don't protest at Paul events, you will simply look stupid.

And on top of that you'll be documented as being stupid for as long as the internet is around.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4bpgnkNN7Q

and that is the way to respond, I think, everyone should have phones out to video them. take pictures of bad behavior. They will become famous for it.

[seraphson]

I found the "10 mind-blowingly offensive quotes" linked article within the article... interesting.


Isaiah Zeke Hunter A pro-life stance is clearly not consistent with the basic core of libertarian philosophy, which is about the liberty of citizens. Fetuses are clearly not citizens.
Also, it is not about "killing babies," but instead about a women's choice about whether or not she wants to use her body as life support system. For example, you have the right to not let me use your body as a life support system. Women should have the same legal right.

So. According to this logic may I please "Abort" paying all forms of welfare since those that do collect it are on the "life support" which provides free food and housing by the tax dollars from my productivity? What? "But that's different?" Do tell. Do tell.

[The Free Hornet]

From the article (http://www.ivygateblog.com/2012/04/students-want-to-protest-ron-paul-but-just-cant-decide-how/):


However, not all of the DREAM teamers are on board with this option. In emails obtained by IvyGate, one member sent out a plea to the team’s googlegroup detailing her personal disagreement with the plan:

“The Cornell DREAM Team should think carefully
before engaging in activity that would compromise
our status as the winners of the Perkins Prize for
Interracial Understanding and Harmony. We should
NOT “boo” or throw ANYTHING at the stage. By
doing this, we aren’t really promoting interracial
understanding very harmoniously.”

Uh oh, trouble in the ranks? But this seemed like such a solid, well thought out plan … What’s going to happen to all the pajamas?

Pajamas aside, this dispute did invite a response from a member of the googlegroup, in favor for some sort of action against Paul. He writes, “However, personally I feel that it is my responsibility to legally protest a documented racist politician that is against birth-right citizenship, welfare and the Dream Act.” And in speaking for the group:

“There was consensus in the room that this is something
that we should participate in. There wasn’t necessarily
consensus about throwing things at the stage but it is
something that we need to talk about. By protesting this
we will take away the aura that college students blindly
follow Ron Paul and hopefully encourage our peers not
to do the same.”

That’s right everyone, follow the pajama-wearing pillow-throwers.

Well, there you have it. Two sides of the case, to throw or not to throw, the eternal question. What will happen Thursday remains to be seen, but pillows, diplomas, or just sharp words, it should be a good time.

Winning?

What I find interesting are the pettiness of their complaints. Dream act, welfare, and birth-right citizenship are very lame reasons to protest a federal candidate. I'm guessing they want publicity and this is their best plan and since they are in college, they might want to "think about the future". Not that I think any Ron Paul supporters would harm them but they would compromise the goals of expanding US citizenship - although I suspect they care more about welfare than freedom.

My prediction is that the protest organization attempt turns into a positive for the campaign.

[dannno]

lol

[Bruno]

we'd be crying foul and raising a ruckus.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GblpSZK4fVk

[kathy88]

at times like this I wish Ron took Secret Service protection. Especially since they are talking about throwing things at him.

I think blonde brush cut guy can take them. :cool:

1400

[WilliamC]

I think blonde brush cut guy can take them. :cool:

1400

I think that thousands of Ron Paul supporters would volunteer to shield Ron Paul themselves.

[sailingaway]

I think that thousands of Ron Paul supporters would volunteer to shield Ron Paul themselves.

I'm just afraid some fights might start if they try to throw stuff at Ron.

[WilliamC]

Agent provocateurs and those simply wishing to start assaulting people or trowing objects can usually be surrounded and isolated by crowds not wishing to become violent themselves pretty easily, so long as the agitators aren't really willing to start killing and maiming people.

And Ron Paul has the opposite affect on people than arousing them to violence or to engage in mob behavior, so obvious agitators will be obvious.

[CaptainAmerica]

they better be prepared to be outnumbered and out-booed.

[kathy88]

Figures the one rally I'm within a decent drive from is the one where they are anticipating a showdown. LOL.

[sailingaway]

They protested Ron in Louisiana the first time he went. there were maybe 1200 in the audience (standing room only) and about 12-18 protesters, as I understand it, with Paulistas several deep, trying to convince them to see the truth....

[V3n]

I think blonde brush cut guy can take them. :cool:

There''s always the Ron Paul Giant.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQKiEffLSBAeh9WCShDiEEKbkG9bQpqW Bt3PrkY88iE1D5IHROT

[JebSanderson]

I think blonde brush cut guy can take them. :cool:

1400

Hmmm...I still hope Collins is traveling with him just in case things get ugly.

[kathy88]

Hmmm...I still hope Collins is traveling with him just in case things get ugly.

Right:eek:... so we can offer him up as a sarifice.

[JebSanderson]

Right:eek:... so we can offer him up as a sarifice.

Theyd reject it :p

[jct74]

we have Jimmy Fallon to keep the peace too

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7132/7047788521_e9fbb2693a.jpg

[gogokinker]

What do you expect from robotic liberals that spew off the same talking points that have been drafted for them by the unions and other liberal organizations?

These people for being intelligent enough to be at Cornell, are evidently not intelligent enough to understand Dr. Paul's message.

[DanielF17]

I'll be driving down with a few people from Young Americans for Liberty from University at Buffalo. We are very excited.

[sailingaway]

anyone suggesting Ron is racist as that moron at the Dream group did should get a copy of this

http://t.co/7WTtMYL5

[Carson]

I've sort of worried about this happening. Then again it may be a good thing to have the opposition with us. Even if it is metaphorically. In the sixties music gave a lot of us from different camps a common ground to meet and exchange points of view. That worked out pretty well for all involved.

During some of the rallies about illegal immigration a lot of dialog was exchanged that was good and healthy. Sometimes things got overheated. I don't think we want to see that happening at this rally, for Ron Paul's sake.

They will probably be the best Opponents they have to offer though if you do get a chance to practice and hone your arguments. They may not be in the best mood to listen to reason. And they've got the group thing binding them. Winning them over may be better accomplished by acts of kindness. Maybe in this case just giving them their space could be the best move.

Anyway the ARE with us.


Remember; Annihilation of the opposition means winning them over to Ron Paul's teachings.

[sailingaway]

Picture of line - I don't see protesters:

http://distilleryimage3.instagram.com/22dbdf1889a211e19dc71231380fe523_7.jpg

[Rocco]

The line to what? The cornell event isnt til tomorrow...?



Picture of line - I don't see protesters:

http://distilleryimage3.instagram.com/22dbdf1889a211e19dc71231380fe523_7.jpg

[sailingaway]

you are right, the tweet just said 'tonight' not where ,and I blew it. I was about to delete it, but you already copied it. Meh, it's still a good picture....

[KEEF]

we have Jimmy Fallon to keep the peace too

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7132/7047788521_e9fbb2693a.jpg

That "Jimmy Falon" actually loved my wife's cookies she made for the Paul's during their visit to Michigan.

[Carson]

Do we have any Ron Paul ladies that might have better nightgowns and signs to show up in opposition to them?


Hey! Just an idea.

[opinionatedfool]

Their boos wont be heard above the din created by the RP supporters protesting their boos.

[opinionatedfool]

and that is the way to respond, I think, everyone should have phones out to video them. take pictures of bad behavior. They will become famous for it.

Yes, everyone should take pictures and videos and send them to the school administration just for the heck of it.

[sailingaway]

It would depend on what they did. If it was dangerous certainly the school police, you name it should get it. But it might be appropriate more to paste them on school group facebook pages etc. and elsewhere on the internet, to show what they are like. Obviously, if they are charming, there is no issue.

[alucard13mmfmj]

ron fights for their right to protest... while the US government/obama is trying to make it hard for people to protest or do demonstrations. good stuff.

[sailingaway]

ron fights for their right to protest... while the US government/obama is trying to make it hard for people to protest or do demonstrations. good stuff.

lol! I didn't think of that. If Ron hadn't refused secret service protection, he'd be under Obama's bill and protesting within an area reserved from protesters would be a jail time offense. And of course, Ron opposed and opposes that bill.

[kathy88]

Do we have any Ron Paul ladies that might have better nightgowns and signs to show up in opposition to them?


Hey! Just an idea.

NO ONE wants to see me in a nightgown. For crine out loud, dude...

[V3n]

I posted this 2 days ago, and I just figured out the pajamas thing this morning... (how is that a protest??)

(DREAM Act = DREAM Team) + (Pajamas = Sleeping) = Pajamas = DREAMing!

[Cabal]

They are aptly named the "DREAM team" because they live in fantasyland.

More like Bizarro World.

[Cabal]

anyone suggesting Ron is racist as that moron at the Dream group did should get a copy of this

http://t.co/7WTtMYL5


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axN53qCJChY&feature=plcp&context=C4967447VDvjVQa1PpcFPr924SI9dsW3wDsx2_IJog dVJ1QeJoNQ8%3D

[Carson]

I realize this is kind of late for those thinking of pointing out some of the problems with the Dream Act to some of the Dream Team people.

Even though it is easy to come up with several sound and logical reason to not support the Dream Act's, your attacking the tail of the serpent, so to speak.

This is one of the ideas that keep getting stopped but then they rise again like one of those dead guys in the scary movies. Sure their killed. Sure their down. But people always turn their back on them and the minute they are alone or making out or something, they rise back up and get you!

They can afford to in the case of many grand schemes, one of which is the Dream Act. They can afford you because they are firing up the fake money presses to push these things through. Then they stiff you with the bill!!!!!


Maybe this will help make the danger of fiat money clear.

Imagine you and me are setting across from each other. We create enough money to represent all of the world's wealth. Each one of us has one SUPER Dollar in front of him.

You own half of everything and so do I.

I'm the government though. I get bribed into creating a Central Bank.

You're not doing what I want you to be doing so I print up myself eight more SUPER Dollars to manipulate you with.

All of a sudden your SUPER Dollar only represents one tenth of the wealth of the world!

That isn't the only thing though. You need to get busy and get to work because YOU'VE BEEN STIFFED with the bill for the money I PRINTED UP to get YOU TO DO what I WANTED.

That to me represents what has been happening to the economy, and us, and why so many of our occupations just can't keep up with the fake money presses.

Ergo(er·go
   [ur-goh, er-goh] Show IPA
conjunction, adverb
therefore. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ergo)) ;

No matter how much honest money people can raise to build their counties the way they want there are those that can just fire up the fiat money presses and print up what ever they want to see to it they get their way.

[Anti Federalist]

NO ONE wants to see me in a nightgown. For crine out loud, dude...

LoL - Why not???

I'd consider showing up in...nahh never mind. :D

[Carson]

NO ONE wants to see me in a nightgown. For crine out loud, dude...


Hee. Hee. Hee.:o


and you wouldn't want to upstage Doctor Paul.

[RDM]

LoL - Why not???

I'd consider showing up in...nahh never mind. :D

In a Kilt perhaps?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJB1u1ZFzrk&feature=related

[SneakyFrenchSpy]

Do we have any reports of disruptions or anything nefarious from that group? I tried to watch the stream for a while and I didn't see anybody wearing pajamas...

[sailingaway]

I'd be interested to find out. But collectivists usually like to protest when they have numbers on their side, which doesn't seem possible here....

[Carson]

Do we have any reports of disruptions or anything nefarious from that group? I tried to watch the stream for a while and I didn't see anybody wearing pajamas...

I tried also. Checking the stream that is.

I've had the worst luck following Ron Paul's rallies in the message boards this week.