Secret service scandal...Not paying a whore in Colombia

[tod evans]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/14/world/americas/colombia-summit-secret-service/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Cartagena, Colombia (CNN) -- Twelve Secret Service agents sent to Colombia ahead of President Barack Obama were relieved of duty and returned home amid allegations of misconduct that involved prostitution, the man who tipped news agencies to the investigation told CNN Saturday.
The incident in Cartagena -- one of two security issues that occurred Friday -- overshadowed the start of the sixth Summit of the Americas, where the president was to focus on trade, energy and regional security with 33 of the hemisphere's 35 leaders.
"One of the agents did not pay one of the prostitutes, and she complained to the police," said Ronald Kessler, a former Washington Post reporter and author of "In the President's Secret Service: Behind the Scenes With Agents in the Line of Fire and the Presidents They Protect."
The Washington Post, which was the first to report the story, said it was alerted to the investigation by Kessler.
Prior to the president's arrival, an undisclosed number of Secret Service agents were relieved of duty and replaced, said Edwin Donovan, an agency spokesman.
"There have been allegations of misconduct made against the Secret Service in Cartagena, Colombia, prior to the president's trip," Donovan said in a statement.
"Because of this, those personnel are being relieved of their assignments, returned to their place of duty, and are being replaced by other Secret Service personnel. The Secret Service takes all allegations of misconduct seriously."
Donovan declined to identify the nature of the alleged misconduct, saying only the matter was being turned over to the agency's internal affairs.
But Jon Adler, president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association, told The Washington Post that the accusations relate to at least one agent having involvement with prostitutes in Cartagena.
CNN could not immediately confirm the claim.
Calling it "clearly the biggest scandal in Secret Service history," Kessler said the 12 agents are accused of involvement in the incident "in one degree or another," from allegedly interfering in the investigation to participating in other alleged misconduct.


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[Bruno]

Sure that was the first time those guys were ever involved in something like that. :rolleyes:

[thoughtomator]

always pay your whores

if you're really nice to them, sometimes they'll even let you write legislation

[Noble Savage]

I was with a whore once and after we were done she paid me!

[phill4paul]

I was with a whore once and after we were done she paid me!

In Soviet Russia?

[pcosmar]

But Jon Adler, president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association, told The Washington Post that the accusations relate to at least one agent having involvement with prostitutes in Cartagena.
CNN could not immediately confirm the claim.
Calling it "clearly the biggest scandal in Secret Service history," Kessler said the 12 agents are accused of involvement in the incident "in one degree or another," from allegedly interfering in the investigation to participating in other alleged misconduct.

but,,,

What part was considered misconduct?

[Occam's Banana]

What?! You mean Secret Service agents aren't all like Frank Horrigan, Doug Chesnic & Joe Hallenbeck?

Hollywood lied to me! I am dissapoint.


"One of the agents did not pay one of the prostitutes, and she complained to the police," said Ronald Kessler [...]
So ... either Colombian police are pimps or they *really* take contract enforcement seriously down there ...

[Noble Savage]

I would think being a secrete service agent for obombya would get you laid in a turd world country for free anyway?

[tod evans]

I would think being a secrete service agent for obombya would get you laid in a turd world country for free anyway?

Aw come on man even third world whores want free gub-ment money.

[puppetmaster]

our heros.......

[Danke]

I was with a whore once and after we were done she paid me!

You sure that wasn't a refund because she felt so sorry for you?

[CaptUSA]

Why do we even need a "secret" service?! We're supposed to be the United States, for crying out loud! We're not supposed to have "secret" police.

Basically, they serve two functions. The protective service of security for government officials. OK, let's call them the protective service.

The other function is to make sure there's no counterfeiting or major fraud... HELLO??? Where the hell have they been in relation to the Fed?! You know the private organization whose job it is to commit fraud and counterfeiting!

I don't really make too much of this "scandal". It's what I would expect.

[oyarde]

These guys make enough to pay , what an embarassment . Ridiculous .

[bluesc]

Way to represent the US, guys. At a trade summit, of all places.

[aGameOfThrones]

Pimpin' ain't easy...

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/50508_119040788106714_6516584_n.jpg

[TheTexan]

Is it still prostitution if the whore doesn't get paid~

[talkingpointes]

Is it still prostitution if the whore doesn't get paid~

You mean is it rape or stealing ?

[pcosmar]

Security ?
Professionals ?

[QuickZ06]

So much for secret service.

[TheTexan]

So much for secret service.

More like secretly serviced am i right

[tod evans]

More like secretly serviced am i right

Not if these pillars of the community made the syndicated media.

[JebSanderson]

Don't you usually pay a whore beforehand(job)?

[Indy Vidual]

Don't you usually pay a whore beforehand(job)?
I wouldn't know; What a whore-able story. :o

[Anti Federalist]

Chasing hookers, blow and god knows what else.

Good way to get a "compromised" man on the inside.

I'm not even going to say where that can lead.

I don't think I have to.

Just read azxd's sig line.

[azxd]

Chasing hookers, blow and god knows what else.

Good way to get a "compromised" man on the inside.

I'm not even going to say where that can lead.

I don't think I have to.

Just read azxd's sig line.Fixated much ?

[Anti Federalist]

Fixated much ?

No, I don't put your quotes in my sig line.

But, since you obviously feel that is such an outrageous statement, well, here is a case of just how one could go about getting compromised people right next to the POTUS.

These fuckers have launched wars that have killed hundreds of thousands of people.

You don't think that they wouldn't attempt to "dirty trick" a politician that was a mortal threat to their very existence?

[azxd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZGf7gAWRVk

[azxd]

Victims of current leadership values.

[Feeding the Abscess]

Calling it "clearly the biggest scandal in Secret Service history," Kessler said the 12 agents are accused of involvement in the incident "in one degree or another," from allegedly interfering in the investigation to participating in other alleged misconduct.

Uh... not paying prostitutes is "clearly the biggest scandal in SS history"? I guess people have some weird priorities...

[BamaAla]

So they basically raped a vulnerable Colombian woman. Anyone want to bet that the only "punishment" they get is a reassignment?

[bluesc]

So they basically raped a vulnerable Colombian woman.

No. How the hell did you come to that conclusion?

[BamaAla]

No. How the hell did you come to that conclusion?

A contract consists of a few parts: offer, acceptance, and consideration. In this case there was a breach of that contract, and considering the consideration that was offered and accepted was sex, it is tantamount to stealing sex which is called rape. Does that work for you?

[bluesc]

A contract consists of a few parts: offer, acceptance, and consideration. In this case there was a breach of that contract, and considering the consideration that was offered and accepted was sex, it is tantamount to stealing sex which is called rape. Does that work for you?

Not at all. It would just be theft. Even if consent is based on a premise, you can't just retract consent after the fact. If I could do that, I would be on top of the world right now.

He stole from her, he should pay. He should not be charged for rape. That's ridiculous.

[BamaAla]

Not at all. It would just be theft. Even if consent is based on a premise, you can't just retract consent after the fact. If I could do that, I would be on top of the world right now.

He stole from her, he should pay. He should not be charged for rape. That's ridiculous.

Until and unless he does pay her (which I agree he should be forced to do,) he has stolen from her and what he has stolen is sex; stealing sex is rape. I think my logic works out just fine. Now, it isn't the "normal" forcible rape that calls for extreme punishment, but it's rape none-the-less.

To the second part of my post, they should be fired for cause, but I'd bet a reassignment is all that follows.

[bluesc]

Until and unless he does pay her (which I agree he should be forced to do,) he has stolen from her and what he has stolen is sex; stealing sex is rape. I think my logic works out just fine. Now, it isn't the "normal" forcible rape that calls for extreme punishment, but it's rape none-the-less.

To the second part of my post, they should be fired for cause, but I'd bet a reassignment is all that follows.


noun
1.
the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2.
any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
3.
statutory rape.
4.
an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.
5.
Archaic . the act of seizing and carrying off by force.
verb (used with object)
6.
to force to have sexual intercourse.
7.
to plunder (a place); despoil.
8.
to seize, take, or carry off by force.

It was consensual sex. If I offered to pay you to punch you in the face, you agreed, I punched you in the face and didn't pay, should I be charged with assault?

Only if you lie.

[BamaAla]

It was consensual sex. If I offered to pay you to punch you in the face, you agreed, I punched you in the face and didn't pay, should I be charged with assault?

Only if you lie.

Yes, you should be until or unless you paid. The four walls of a contract are what constitute "consensual;" once outside of those walls, you are simply stealing whatever was agreed upon. You obviously get into questions of "clean hands" and what can and can't be contracted for, but in a purely abstract manner, violation of terms in this case is tantamount to rape in my eyes or battery in your hypothetical.

[azxd]

Yes, you should be until or unless you paid. The four walls of a contract are what constitute "consensual;" once outside of those walls, you are simply stealing whatever was agreed upon. You obviously get into questions of "clean hands" and what can and can't be contracted for, but in a purely abstract manner, violation of terms in this case is tantamount to rape in my eyes or battery in your hypothetical.Opinion means nothing ... Please cite Columbian Law as it relates to your perspective.

[pcosmar]

Opinion means nothing ... Please cite Columbian Law as it relates to your perspective.

^^
irrelevant.
Please entertain me,, What sort of Professional Security would allow this?
Any part of it,, ??

[azxd]

^^
irrelevant.
Please entertain me,, What sort of Professional Security would allow this?
Any part of it,, ??A big assumption to think these people were acting professionally ... Their role-model-leader is no professional, either.
In fact, the job is above his paygrade.

But if you're gonna claim the girl was raped, you should understand the laws of the country in which it happened ... YES ?
Therefore relevant.

[azxd]

And don't forget the huge assumption being made ... No where have I read that services had been rendered.

[thoughtomator]

The more I think about it the more symbolic this incident is... we live in a world full of whores for the US government, none of whom are going to end up getting paid what was promised (that includes you, assigned NSA staffer to RPF).

[pcosmar]

And don't forget the huge assumption being made ... No where have I read that services had been rendered.

Again irrelevant.
Whether there was a contract dispute/rape is irrelevant.
Whether Obama is a good President is irrelevant.

This was a massive Breach of Security. (first that it happened, and second that they allowed it to happen)
If they were "set up",, that is even worse. (Security should not ALLOW itself to be set up)

Highly unprofessional behavior. The whole bunch should be fired outright.

[azxd]

YES, fire them ... Because my sense of moral values is always superior, and I'm not afraid to use force to ensure that others comply to my system of values LOL

[pcosmar]

YES, fire them ... Because my sense of moral values is always superior, and I'm not afraid to use force to ensure that others comply to my system of values LOL

No,
Fire them because they are total failures,, and a public embarrassment.

My "Moral Values" have been questionable at times. I have done "security" work before.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGxpRik0OIQ

Failure is failure.

[azxd]

Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff gave Obama an earful on U.S. expansionist monetary policy that is sending a flood of funds into developing nations, forcing up currencies (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/finance/currency) and hurting and other rich nations' competitiveness.
"The way these countries, the most developed ones, especially in the euro region in the last year, have reacted to the crisis with monetary expansion has produced a monetary tsunami," she said, as Obama listened.
"Obviously we have to take measures to defend ourselves. Note the word I chose - 'defend,' not 'protect,'" added Rousseff, whose government's actions to curb imports have been decried as protectionism by some in the region.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/15/us-americas-summit-idUSBRE83D0E220120415


Obama's form of polish will not fix this.

[JebSanderson]

Opinion means nothing ... Please cite Columbian Law as it relates to your perspective.

Colombian law is irrelevant to whethe I would be rape or not. If Colombian law, for example, said its not rape if the man uses a condom, it would still be rape if the sex is not consensual, regardless of hat the law says.

In the case of not paying a whore after sleeping with her, I'd say it's theft or breach of contract, but not rape.

[azxd]

Colombian law is irrelevant to whethe I would be rape or not. If Colombian law, for example, said its not rape if the man uses a condom, it would still be rape if the sex is not consensual, regardless of hat the law says.

In the case of not paying a whore after sleeping with her, I'd say it's theft or breach of contract, but not rape.Opinion is not law ;)

[GuerrillaXXI]

The US government is so evil and corrupt that what those jokers did can be likened to a fart in a tornado (excuse the cliché). If anything, I'm happy that the vaunted Secret Service was taken down a notch by this. It shows that they're not hiring quite the caliber of people they thought, but a bunch of undisciplined goofballs who can't even keep it in their pants while on assignment.

Of course, I'm not happy if any prostitutes were cheated, but it looks like those responsible are going to get in some shit for it and possibly lose their jobs. Good.

[jmdrake]

You mean is it rape or stealing ?

Breech of contract.

[azxd]

Wake up, people !!!


akat says: April 15, 2012 at 9:45 am (http://www.infowars.com/club-obama-president-compromised-by-secret-service-orgy-with-hookers-in-cartagena/comment-page-2/#comment-3135763)
Patrick and other Infowar reporters. This Colombian hooker scandal is ‘interesting’ if mindless gossip news. If you check Reuters, there is some real news coming out of this conference that might be much more important to cover.

First, Colombia is getting in line with most of the other latin OAS members in demanding that Cuba be included in future meetings. Cuba is a big part of this regions economy and these states are demanding that the want to be controllers from the U.S. are including Cuba in these discussions. Second, Argentina is demanding back their Falkland Island, which were looted from them by the imperialist British Empire, which is now trying to loot most of the middle east. Africa, and the U.S. Now this is news much more important, in the long run, than not wanting to pay the tab for your prostitute roomate. Focus guys!!!!!!!!




truecolours says: April 14, 2012 at 12:24 pm (http://www.infowars.com/club-obama-president-compromised-by-secret-service-orgy-with-hookers-in-cartagena/comment-page-1/#comment-3135310)
The very fact that the corrupt NWO media is pouring gasoline all over this faux story is proof that it’s phoney. I’m leaning toward the theory that the Obama team has set up the SS in order to justify a new palace guard. I’ve also noticed that they all have their “comments” feature turned off. The professional propagandists want 100% control of this story! CBS is chief among them.


Say it ain't so !!!

[azxd]

The US government is so evil and corrupt that what those jokers did can be likened to a fart in a tornado (excuse the cliché). If anything, I'm happy that the vaunted Secret Service was taken down a notch by this. It shows that they're not hiring quite the caliber of people they thought, but a bunch of undisciplined goofballs who can't even keep it in their pants while on assignment.

Of course, I'm not happy if any prostitutes were cheated, but it looks like those responsible are going to get in some shit for it and possibly lose their jobs. Good.See above.

[NikolayaRadchenkova]

Opinion is not law ;)

And whether or not someone is raped does not depend on law, but rather on consent or lack thereof.

[jmdrake]

Not at all. It would just be theft. Even if consent is based on a premise, you can't just retract consent after the fact. If I could do that, I would be on top of the world right now.

He stole from her, he should pay. He should not be charged for rape. That's ridiculous.

People breech contracts all of the time. The remedy for breech of contract is a civil suit, not criminal prosecution. You typically don't breech contracts because you don't want someone suing you.

[NikolayaRadchenkova]

You could be liable to criminal prosecution for fraud if you enter into a contract with no intent on fulfilling your obligations and deliberately misleading the other party.

[PaulConventionWV]

Don't you usually pay a whore beforehand(job)?

Yeah, but where did she put the money?

[PaulConventionWV]

Victims of current leadership values.

They're not victims of anything. Obama isn't their parent.

[PaulConventionWV]

YES, fire them ... Because my sense of moral values is always superior, and I'm not afraid to use force to ensure that others comply to my system of values LOL

The analysis he made has nothing to do with values. It has to do with security, which is their JOB. If they don't do their JOB right, they should get fired.

Also, a boss can fire someone for any reason they want, be that morality or otherwise.

[PaulConventionWV]

Opinion is not law ;)

So are you saying unconsentual sex is not rape? Sex by force is not rape?

[pcosmar]

Wake up, people !!!


Say it ain't so !!!

First of all,,
I don't believe Obama is that smart. Perhaps a move by his handlers, but that changes NOTHING.

They don't work for Obama or any other president. Their job is to provide security. (not to party on the public dime)

These guys job is security,, and they can't even provide for their own security. :eek:

Fire the bunch of losers.

[azxd]

So are you saying unconsentual sex is not rape? Sex by force is not rape?Surely you are not reading that much into a simple statement.