PDA

View Full Version : Lee Whitnum, a Liberty Democrat in CT? [Mod note: no]




cindy25
04-08-2012, 12:19 AM
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/dem-senatorial-candidate-calls-opponent-a-whore-who-sells-his-soul-to-aipac-during-live-tv-debate/

moderate libertarian
04-08-2012, 12:35 AM
Trouble is that she is fiercely anti foreign lobbies agents/neocons/needless wars, her views are bit dangerous for a Senate seat but she will probably get lot of support and may win. Liberty movement should support her fully, her foreign policy views are very close to that of RP but with a added focus on AIPAC agents' hijacking of US foreign policy.


In response to Joe Leiberman's HR-3166 citing that if anyone were a "enemy combatant" it would be Joe Lieberman for his role in the 2002 Wehrkunde Conference. Whitnum states that Lieberman and Paul Wolfowitz pleaded with the European community for war in Iraq. Whitnum, in her press release calls Lieberman's action as "renegade" and "treason."


Edited to add video:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6owO2iyQGho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6owO2iyQGho


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To7rZyRmFfo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To7rZyRmFfo

FrankRep
04-08-2012, 08:52 AM
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/dem-senatorial-candidate-calls-opponent-a-whore-who-sells-his-soul-to-aipac-during-live-tv-debate/



She's not a liberty candidate. Check out what she supports:


Lee Whitnum on the issues
http://leewhitnum.com/On_The_Issues.html



6. UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE COVERAGE AND A PUBLIC OPTION

More than 47 million Americans have no healthcare coverage and live their lives one disease away from catastrophe. Millions more pay for complex and confusing private health insurance. Our businesses are made uncompetitive by spiraling cost increases.

In Congress, I will aggressively pursue health care reform that covers all Americans and reduces costs in the system. We achieve the first objective by creating a basic coverage plan offered to everyone, with subsidies for those who can't afford it otherwise. We achieve the second objective in part by shifting our emphasis from disease care toward prevention and healthy living, practicing evidence-based medicine, and putting technology and administrative standardization in place to reduce staggering overhead costs.

Americans need to be proactive about their health. A recently study said that 1/3 of all incidents of breast cancer were lifestyle related. I believe this is true. I am a cancer survivor and although I was never overweight, I did not have a healthy lifestyle. As Americans we need to be proactive about our health before the wakeup call of a significant health issue. I applaud First Lady Michelle Obama’s efforts to eliminate childhood obesity; I’d follow her lead to encourage this in our own state.

HOLLYWOOD
04-08-2012, 09:00 AM
Watch the "other candidates" receive huge contributions to keep this anti: AIPAC / Freign Imperialism / Military Industrial Complex, candidate minimized.

For Congressman Chris Murphy :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ad-SiED0wc

ZenBowman
04-08-2012, 09:03 AM
I don't see how this is in any way similar to the Paul position.

Paul wants Israel and the US to operate independently of each other, this woman just wants Israel destroyed.

Huge difference. She will probably continue foreign aid to Palestine, Egypt, etc.

Paul's position is based on the principle of independence.
Hers is based on hatred.

moderate libertarian
04-08-2012, 09:54 AM
She's not a liberty candidate. Check out what she supports:


Lee Whitnum on the issues
http://leewhitnum.com/On_The_Issues.html


6. UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE COVERAGE AND A PUBLIC OPTION



Frank do you support or oppose Israeli settlements/occupation of Palestinians and US aid to Israeli that enables those activities? Do you agree or disagree with Lee Whitnum's view on what motivated 9/11 attacks?



Although I discuss more than 60 issues on this website, these are the most important items on my agenda:

My First Senate Bill: Prosecute American Settler Violence (also known as the anti-Zionism bill).

..

Connecticut v. United States of America: A lawsuit to return Connecticut's portion of federal money sent annually to Israel.

http://www.leewhitnum.com/


Healthcare is one of the 60 issues she listed but that is not among the issues most important on her list. Foreign Policy is the most important issue facing America now, a senate candidate with views like that shound be sent to Senate just for sending the message to foreign prostitute lobbies that their days of buying politicians are coming to end. IMO pros greatly outweigh cons here.

moderate libertarian
04-08-2012, 10:36 AM
I don't see how this is in any way similar to the Paul position.

Paul wants Israel and the US to operate independently of each other, this woman just wants Israel destroyed.

Huge difference. She will probably continue foreign aid to Palestine, Egypt, etc.

Paul's position is based on the principle of independence.
Hers is based on hatred.

I have to disagree and you'll have to point out specifically which of her view is based on "hatred". Even RP's positions were also called by some based on "hatred" or "anti-semitism".

RP's foreign policy stances are ofcourse much more wholesome, philosophical and ideological, she proposes more specific steps relating to US interventions in mideast and uses provocative language. But I don't see much difference in their understanding of the world and need for ending interventions. She talks about blowback, role of neocons bloodthurst for wars, US support for Israeli oppression against Palestinians, causes for 9/11, Israeli agents like AIPAC bribing US politicians to hijack foreign policy. What specifically you don't agree with?

You at least agree with some of the bills on her most important bills list?


Connecticut v. United States of America: A lawsuit to return Connecticut's portion of federal money sent annually to Israel.



She may npt be perfect but probably a massive improvement over 98% of current US Senate membership. Can you name a single current US Senator besides RP who you consider to have better stances than hers?

GeorgiaAvenger
04-08-2012, 11:41 AM
She is just a hateful socialist. I would never support her.

FrankRep
04-08-2012, 12:28 PM
She is just a hateful socialist. I would never support her.

Agreed.

FrankRep
04-08-2012, 12:30 PM
Frank do you support or oppose Israeli settlements/occupation of Palestinians and US aid to Israeli that enables those activities? Do you agree or disagree with Lee Whitnum's view on what motivated 9/11 attacks?

Even the Mods agree that Lee Whitnum is not a liberty candidate.

moderate libertarian
04-08-2012, 12:32 PM
She is just a hateful socialist. I would never support her.


Her disdain for neocons and aipac lobbies who bribe US politicians is noticeable but she wants to end US tax payers aid to foreign welfare socialist states that cause blowbacks like 9/11.

She was member of US Army and Army cultured people can be blunt/undiplomatic but her foreign policy seems anti-socialist.

FrankRep
04-08-2012, 12:47 PM
Her disdain for neocons and aipac lobbies who bribe US politicians is noticeable but she wants to end US tax payers aid to foreign welfare socialist states that cause blowbacks like 9/11. Her foreign policy seems anti-socialist.
Yet she supports the welfare state in America.

Universal Healthcare is Socialist, by the way.

moderate libertarian
04-08-2012, 12:53 PM
Yet she supports the welfare state in America.

Universal Healthcare is Socialist, by the way.

Most Republicans/Democrats today are socislists. Do you support socialism or you oppose welfare states living on US tax payers aid?

We can't just pick and choose litmus tests that suit a single pov.


Frank do you support or oppose Israeli settlements/occupation of Palestinians and US aid to Israeli that enables those activities? Do you agree or disagree with Lee Whitnum's view on what motivated 9/11 attacks?


Although I discuss more than 60 issues on this website, these are the most important items on my agenda:
My First Senate Bill: Prosecute American Settler Violence (also known as the anti-Zionism bill).
...
Connecticut v. United States of America: A lawsuit to return Connecticut's portion of federal money sent annually to Israel.
http://www.leewhitnum.com/


Healthcare is one of the 60 issues she listed but that is not among the issues most important on her list. Foreign Policy is the most important issue facing America now, a senate candidate with views like that shound be sent to Senate just for sending the message to foreign prostitute lobbies that their days of buying politicians are coming to end. IMO pros greatly outweigh cons here.


I know what socialism is but I find it very surprsing that anyone could consider welfare funded by US tax payers inside America for Americans more dangerous than welfare for foreign states funded by US tax payers with added risk of deadly blowbacks.

How do you prioritize your opposition to "socialism"?

Logic based answer please.

FrankRep
04-08-2012, 01:02 PM
Most Republicans/Democrats today are socislists. Do you support socialism or you oppose welfare states living on US tax payers aid?

We can't just pick and choose litmus tests that suit a single pov.

I don't know about you, but I'm a Ron Paul supporter.

Anti Federalist
04-08-2012, 01:05 PM
My Second Senate Bill: Stop the Clear-Cutting of our Oceans.

Huh?

moderate libertarian
04-08-2012, 01:11 PM
I don't know about you, but I'm a Ron Paul supporter.

Then you should have no problem answering a very simple foreign policy question. RP supporters are known for knowing their foreign policy, monetary policy and liberties principles :)


Frank do you support or oppose Israeli settlements/occupation of Palestinians and US aid to Israeli that enables those activities? Do you agree or disagree with Lee Whitnum's view on what motivated 9/11 attacks?

FrankRep
04-08-2012, 01:18 PM
Then you should have no problem answering a very simple foreign policy question. RP supporters are known for knowing their foreign policy, monetary policy and liberties principles

:rolleyes:


TFrank do you support or oppose Israeli settlements/occupation of Palestinians and US aid to Israeli that enables those activities? Do you agree or disagree with Lee Whitnum's view on what motivated 9/11 attacks?

1.) I don't personally support Israeli settlements advancing into Palestinian settlements.
2.) I'm against ALL foreign aid.
3.) I support Ron Paul's view that interfering with foreign affairs can motivate blowbacks like 9/11.

moderate libertarian
04-08-2012, 01:30 PM
:rolleyes:



1.) I don't personally support Israeli settlements advancing into Palestinian settlements.
2.) I'm against ALL foreign aid.
3.) I support Ron Paul's view that interfering with foreign affairs can motivate blowbacks like 9/11.

Ok thank you.

But I want to press on this point just bit more, do you personally believe as Whitnum does that US funding/support for Israeli occupation of Palestinians motivated 9/11 attacks?

Liberty principles that RP follows also promote individualism and we can have our own personal beliefs too on such important issues.

FrankRep
04-08-2012, 01:35 PM
Ok thank you.

But I want to press on this point just bit more, do you personally believe as Whitnum does that US funding/support for Israeli occupation of Palestinians motivated 9/11 attacks?

Obviously this issue is bigger than the Palestinians. Supporting Israel in general with money, weapons, etc... is pissing off the Muslim nations and fueling the radical Islamic extremists.

Lee Whitnum's other Big Government views makes me not support her.

moderate libertarian
04-08-2012, 01:41 PM
Obviously this issue is bigger than the Palestinians. Supporting Israel in general with money, weapons, etc... is pissing off the Muslim nations and fueling the radical Islamic extremists.

Lee Whitnum's other Big Government views makes me not support her.

Obviously that is not entirely correct or leader of PFLP like Christian born doctor George Habash would have never been pissed off.

Looks like you are not comfortable or don't want to anaswer the question plainly and directly. But thank you for an informative debate.

FrankRep
04-08-2012, 02:20 PM
Obviously that is not entirely correct or leader of PFLP like Christian born doctor George Habash would have never been pissed off.

Looks like you are not comfortable or don't want to anaswer the question plainly and directly. But thank you for an informative debate.
I'm not sure what you're looking for, but Lee Whitnum is not a liberty candidate, nor is she a Constitutionalist.