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John F Kennedy III
04-06-2012, 02:10 PM
CISPA – HR 3523: The New SOPA

Green Pirate
April 5, 2012

Due process? Probable Cause? Screw that. Some US legislators are intent on being able to monitor all of your online activity, lurking in your internets like pedobear at a playground. The bill H.R. 3523, or Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA), appears to be the next brewing threat to internet privacy and freedom.

Accord to the EFF, the bill contains “sweeping language [that] would give companies and the government new powers to monitor and censor communications for copyright infringement. It could also be a powerful weapon to use against whistleblower websites like WikiLeaks.”

As long as “cyber security” is cited as a cause for violating your rights, the bill would apparently give a green light to governments and companies who wish to spy on user activity. ISPs, search engines and social networks would be able to make your data available to government agencies, leaving you with virtually no privacy.

“It effectively creates a “cybersecurity” exemption to all existing laws.”

A scary aspect of this bill is that it allows a company to block or modify your communication.

What does it take for an entity to claim it is spying on you because you were a potential “cyber threat”? According to the definition in the text of the bill:


(2) CYBER THREAT INTELLIGENCE- The term `cyber threat intelligence’ means information in the possession of an element of the intelligence community directly pertaining to a vulnerability of, or threat to, a system or network of a government or private entity, including information pertaining to the protection of a system or network from–

`(A) efforts to degrade, disrupt, or destroy such system or network; or

`(B) theft or misappropriation of private or government information, intellectual property, or personally identifiable information.

Aside from the ability to censor any speech that a given service does not approve of, that definition sums up the target of this bill pretty bluntly. A was written would make it easier to hunt down anyone suspect in participating in Anonymous activism and B opens hunting season on pirates of the file-sharing variety.

There’s no telling yet if this bill will be met with significant public resistance, but if the huge public response to SOPA and ACTA are any indication, a vast majority of the public do not want to suffer a violation of their rights for the benefit of a few elite anti-pirate groups. Will framing file-sharing and DDoS attacks as a major threat to “cybersecurity” be enough to convince the public to forgo their rights or will it be yet another failed propaganda campaign that ends with Chris Dodd whining about how Google and Wikipedia had a greater sphere of influence on what was actually a grass roots protest to preserve our rights and freedoms? Perhaps it will require more peer review, but my money is on the latter.


article here:
http://www.infowars.com/cispa-hr-3523-the-new-sopa/

originally here:
http://blog.greenpirate.org/cispa-hr-3523-the-new-sopa/

Steve Peacock
04-06-2012, 02:36 PM
I can only imagine what the bill means by "theft or misappropriation of private or government information, intellectual property, or personally identifiable information." In the past, for example, I have found documents via government database research that an agency inadvertently (or simply regrettably) uploaded that were marked FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY. While not the same as a classified document, would my posting of such a publicly accessible FOUO document to my blog be considered a violation of the above section of the proposed law?

Though I did not post the document when I wrote about an issue sensitive to the U.S. Navy, I did indeed reveal its contents. See "Naval Security Document Lumps Journalists With Foreign Spies (http://www.tradeaidmonitor.com/2006/08/naval-security-document-lumps-journalists-with-foreign-spies.html)."

NikolayaRadchenkova
04-06-2012, 04:27 PM
I need to write my representative back home a letter telling him to oppose this. He (Jerrold Nadler, D-NY-8th district) gets quite a bit of money from TV and movie studios, so I bet he'll support it :(

John F Kennedy III
04-06-2012, 05:03 PM
We all need to write our representatives. And I believe we all need to publicly demonstrate (in the millions). We need to do something to peacefully get control of our country back before peacefully is no longer an option.

Xhin
04-06-2012, 09:04 PM
This thread already exists:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?370508-HR-3523-CISPA-%28the-return-of-SOPA%29

DamianTV
04-07-2012, 01:16 AM
It does exist, but the existence of a duplicate thread does not make the Legislation of SON OF SOPA Bills any less dangerous.

John F Kennedy III
04-07-2012, 01:46 AM
It does exist, but the existence of a duplicate thread does not make the Legislation of SON OF SOPA Bills any less dangerous.

This.

drummergirl
04-07-2012, 01:53 AM
It does exist, but the existence of a duplicate thread does not make the Legislation of SON OF SOPA Bills any less dangerous.

Vigilance required!

Xhin
04-07-2012, 12:48 PM
Can't argue there. Copy and paste from the previous thread:

After reading and studying the bill, it's not as cut-and-dry as the EFF/other sources are making it seem, however the implications are still there for what they're saying.

Basically, the bill allows:

* The government to share intelligence with private cybersecurity companies, bypassing all laws of privacy and disclosure.
* Private cybersecurity companies to share intelligence with the government, bypassing all laws of privacy and disclosure.

Information is classified as "‘‘(A) efforts to degrade, disrupt, or destroy such system or network; or theft or misappropriation of private or government information, intellectual property, or personally identifiable information.". Anonymous plots to DDos a server, Wikileaks as a whole (the misappropriation part), and anything regarding internet piracy all fit into this.

* Not only is all of this information exempt from disclosure at the federal, state, or local levels; but it's also exempt from legal liability. If information of a private internet nature is used against you, you can't sue the company/government agency that obtained it.

Major online corporations like facebook or twitter or youtube that employ cybersecurity companies could have *all* of their information sent to the government without any regard for privacy or disclosure. There's no strict definition of what information they send, which is very important -- because it means they could send an entire database dump of tons of secure information to the government because of *one* instance of, say, someone posting a youtube video of copyrighted content. And they would do so without consulting the company they're working for or authorities or anything. And the information the government gleans from the rest of that content can be used against you and you cannot sue them for obtaining it.

Worse, let's consider the Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers bill. With this bill (PCIP), ISP's are required to store subscriber information for a year, including IP addresses and history. The government is also capable of gathering that information with or without probable cause, which under CISPA they can then share with the cybersecurity private sector and be exempt from disclosure and legal liability.

tl;dr this bill is bullshit.

Lishy
04-07-2012, 12:59 PM
With their persistence to constantly push this, they obviously have some other agenda than caring whether this is right or wrong, or whether they even NEED this for the purposes they state <_<

Xhin
04-07-2012, 01:36 PM
Well yeah. Anything that disrupts the same medium that caused the Arab Spring is a good thing.

Something Harry Reid said a while back about it really made me wonder:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid planned to bring the Senate's version of the legislation (the Protect IP Act (PIPA)) to a vote on January 24. Reid had earlier rejected a request by six Senators for a postponement, saying "this is an issue that is too important to delay."

No Free Beer
04-07-2012, 02:03 PM
finally! Now, I can breath easier at night knowing this bill is coming up for another vote.

I hope it passes this time. We all know how essential this is to our national security and for the protection of property. We don't already have laws like these in place or anything...

No Free Beer
04-07-2012, 02:13 PM
on a side note. this just shows that our congress doesn't work for us. there was outrage throughout this country about SOPA. That would mean they should not pass a bill like this, yet what do they do? They create another bill.

Throw them all out.

Xhin
04-07-2012, 02:19 PM
Let's look at a timeline of this:

* SOPA and PIPA are proposed and scheduled for voting.
* There's mass outrage over this from the public.
* Lots of people want to postpone the bill because of said outrage; harry reid says "no no, this is too important of an issue to postpone"
* The outrage escalates to blackouts of Google, Wikipedia, Reddit, and a bunch of other internet sites.
* The bill is *shelved* (can be resumed at any time) and the MSM reports that it's been killed.
* Five months later, more bills are proposed that hurt the internet's free speech and the director of the MPAA hints towards SOPA-like bills that are en route.

Wtf is up with these guys? Isn't this country supposed to be By the People and For the People?

John F Kennedy III
04-07-2012, 02:19 PM
on a side note. this just shows that our congress doesn't work for us. there was outrage throughout this country about SOPA. That would mean they should not pass a bill like this, yet what do they do? They create another bill.

Throw them all out.

Yeah, if they aren't on the following list, throw em out!

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?334429-The-Politicians-We-Can-Trust

Peace&Freedom
04-07-2012, 03:22 PM
Let's look at a timeline of this:

* SOPA and PIPA are proposed and scheduled for voting.
* There's mass outrage over this from the public.
* Lots of people want to postpone the bill because of said outrage; harry reid says "no no, this is too important of an issue to postpone"
* The outrage escalates to blackouts of Google, Wikipedia, Reddit, and a bunch of other internet sites.
* The bill is *shelved* (can be resumed at any time) and the MSM reports that it's been killed.
* Five months later, more bills are proposed that hurt the internet's free speech and the director of the MPAA hints towards SOPA-like bills that are en route.

Wtf is up with these guys? Isn't this country supposed to be By the People and For the People?

By and for the special interests people, perhaps. But the timeline shows this Congress is somewhat desperate to put shackles on the internet, and obliterate web privacy by sometime later this year. Could it be that somebody knows war with Iran (or even Russia) is coming up, likely instigated by a false flag, and will be followed by a financial collapse? Is there a martial law announcement in the works, when the collapse happens? Do TPTB want there to be no backtalk about these matters once the major league propaganda and scapegoating comes down?

ClydeCoulter
04-07-2012, 03:42 PM
Urgent Request (04/07/2012): See This post Vermont Needs Help or Vermont DELEGATES At Stake

John F Kennedy III
04-07-2012, 03:45 PM
Urgent Request (04/07/2012): See This post Vermont Needs Help or Vermont DELEGATES At Stake

bump

Xhin
04-07-2012, 07:06 PM
But the timeline shows this Congress is somewhat desperate to put shackles on the internet, and obliterate web privacy by sometime later this year.

Yeah, that's really the only conclusion you can make once you look at the facts around it.


Could it be that somebody knows war with Iran (or even Russia) is coming up, likely instigated by a false flag, and will be followed by a financial collapse? Is there a martial law announcement in the works, when the collapse happens? Do TPTB want there to be no backtalk about these matters once the major league propaganda and scapegoating comes down?

Unless Ron Paul gets elected, war with Iran is inevitable. Every candidate except him has vowed to aid Israel if it comes to that. Obama at least is trying to give sanctions a chance, probably because his election is coming up. "Iran" was also at the very end of Bush's Axis of Evil declaration he made 10 years ago.

War with Iran will be completely different from war with Iraq and it's US action against Iraq is liable to pull in all kinds of countries into the conflict. When people you've recently sent money to (Pakistan) and people you've overthrown a regime of and continue to send money to (Afghanistan) both say they'll attack you if you attack Iran, then it's a very bad sign. And yes, Russia, China, and India all have Iranian interests as well.

John F Kennedy III
04-07-2012, 07:37 PM
The war with Iran will probably start before election day.

It wouldn't surprise if it started between Obama's election day loss and President Paul's inauguration...11/6/12-1/20/13.

Xhin
04-07-2012, 07:41 PM
It's possible. Israel has most recently stated that they'll wait until after the Israeli election (2013), although back when this was a big crisis and I was checking the news every few hours, they said that they will not wait and they'll attack Iran before the US election if they have to (and it might actually be preferable). I think 2012 does seem the most likely though.

Xhin
04-07-2012, 07:52 PM
It wouldn't surprise if it started between Obama's election day loss and President Paul's inauguration...11/6/12-1/20/13.

12/21/2012 sounds good :P

John F Kennedy III
04-07-2012, 08:07 PM
12/21/2012 sounds good :P

Haha. I wish I had a Mayan as a personal consultant.