HR 3523 CISPA (the return of SOPA)

[Xhin]

Basically this is a bill that violates every privacy law ever and lets the government or a corporation or a political party snoop on secure electronic communications (email, facebook posts, etc) on the suspicion of cybersecurity breaches.

Total crock of shit. Haven't read through the bill yet though, so I'll update this post when I do.

https://wfc2.wiredforchange.com/o/9042/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=8444

[Anti Federalist]

Lateral left, lateral right, duck, dodge and weave.

If the system was a football player, it would win the Heisman trophy.

[sailingaway]

This is all over twitter, but needs more coverage.

[89vision]

The latest attempt by Congress to try to regulate and control the Internet is no longer known as SOPA but CISPA: the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act. The SOPA-like bill would give companies the power to collect information on their subscribers and hand it over to the government and all they have to do is request it. Kendall Burman, senior national security fellow for the Center for Democracy and Technology, joins Liz Wahl to talk about what this means for online freedoms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya2TmSmbUQI&feature=colike

[Brian4Liberty]

They will never give up.

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."

[KMX]

How do I find out who my represenative to call and say vote against this? Thanks

[boat6868]

They will never give up.

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."

You are so correct. Something that has definitely stuck out to me as I have followed politics more closely is that those who want to rule over others are tireless in their efforts to do so. When we are able to defeat them it is never safe to assume that the issue is "resolved", because they inevitably just come at it another way.

[Xhin]

After reading and studying the bill, it's not as cut-and-dry as the EFF/other sources are making it seem, however the implications are still there for what they're saying.

Basically, the bill allows:

* The government to share intelligence with private cybersecurity companies, bypassing all laws of privacy and disclosure.
* Private cybersecurity companies to share intelligence with the government, bypassing all laws of privacy and disclosure.

Information is classified as "‘‘(A) efforts to degrade, disrupt, or destroy such system or network; or theft or misappropriation of private or government information, intellectual property, or personally identifiable information.". Anonymous plots to DDos a server, Wikileaks as a whole (the misappropriation part), and anything regarding internet piracy all fit into this.

* Not only is all of this information exempt from disclosure at the federal, state, or local levels; but it's also exempt from legal liability. If information of a private internet nature is used against you, you can't sue the company/government agency that obtained it.

Major online corporations like facebook or twitter or youtube that employ cybersecurity companies could have *all* of their information sent to the government without any regard for privacy or disclosure. There's no strict definition of what information they send, which is very important -- because it means they could send an entire database dump of tons of secure information to the government because of *one* instance of, say, someone posting a youtube video of copyrighted content. And they would do so without consulting the company they're working for or authorities or anything. And the information the government gleans from the rest of that content can be used against you and you cannot sue them for obtaining it.

Worse, let's consider the Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers bill. With this bill (PCIP), ISP's are required to store subscriber information for a year, including IP addresses and history. The government is also capable of gathering that information with or without probable cause, which under CISPA they can then share with the cybersecurity private sector and be exempt from disclosure and legal liability.

tl;dr this bill is bullshit.

[seraphson]

Basically this is a bill that violates every privacy law ever and lets the government or a corporation or a political party snoop on secure electronic communications (email, facebook posts, etc) on the suspicion of cybersecurity breaches.

Total crock of shit. Haven't read through the bill yet though, so I'll update this post when I do.

https://wfc2.wiredforchange.com/o/9042/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=8444

Ah. There she is, as expected of course.

But then again, what the hell else would you do with that big ass desert base they're building for spying in the name of security.

[Xhin]

Yeah hahaah I was thinking about that too. Let's think, like, not only can web corporations like facebook and google share information with the fedgov, but so can server hosting companies (and they usually have a big motivation towards cybersecurity). Maybe it would be easier for those companies to simply pass all the information along to the Ministry of Truth they're building in Utah and let *them* decipher it rather than trying to track everything themselves.

The implications are pretty extreme.

[Xhin]

The latest attempt by Congress to try to regulate and control the Internet is no longer known as SOPA but CISPA: the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act. The SOPA-like bill would give companies the power to collect information on their subscribers and hand it over to the government and all they have to do is request it. Kendall Burman, senior national security fellow for the Center for Democracy and Technology, joins Liz Wahl to talk about what this means for online freedoms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya2TmSmbUQI&feature=colike

I posted this already: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?370508-HR-3523-CISPA-%28the-return-of-SOPA%29

Two things are wrong with your statement:

* The only companies that can pass that information on are cybersecurity companies (they have to actually specialize in that field), however if a cybersecurity company works for, say, facebook it amounts to the same thing.
* The government doesn't have to request the information; the cybersecurity company is free to share the information with the DoD/NSA at any time without need for pesky things like privacy and disclosure laws.

[Xhin]

Bump so this doesn't get reposted (again).

[TheTexan]

Have they already forgotten their winning formula with the Patriot Act?

They just need to call this act "Internet Freedom Act" and BAM, passed

[Xhin]

Or take a page out of PCIP's book: "Saving Hosts from Internet Terrorists" (SHIT for short)

[HOLLYWOOD]

USUAL SUSPECTS

I always tried to tell people this Congressman was very dangerous... This guy lied to Americans numerous times with his operations around the globe. He is the head of the POLICE STATE. He's also the one that pushed for funding the assassinations of the Qaddafi regime because of; Chemical Weapons, Terrorism, and of course, the 1st line of all foreign spending, "A threat to Israel'.

Rep. Michael “Mike” Rogers (R-MI 8th) sponsor of H.R. 3523
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr3523

show cosponsors (106) (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr3523#)

Rep. Mark Amodei [R-NV2] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/mark_amodei/412500)
Rep. Michele Bachmann [R-MN6] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/michele_bachmann/412216)
Rep. Dan Boren [D-OK2] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/dan_boren/400645)
Rep. Michael Burgess [R-TX26] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/michael_burgess/400052)
Rep. Ken Calvert [R-CA44] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/ken_calvert/400057)
Rep. Ben Chandler [D-KY6] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/ben_chandler/400442)
Rep. Michael Conaway [R-TX11] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/k_conaway/400655)
Rep. Norman “Norm” Dicks [D-WA6] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/norman_dicks/400109)
Rep. John “Phil” Gingrey [R-GA11] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/john_gingrey/400151)
Rep. Luis Gutiérrez [D-IL4] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/luis_gutierrez/400163)
Rep. Joe Heck [R-NV3] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/joe_heck/412446)
Rep. Peter “Pete” King [R-NY3] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/peter_king/400219)
Rep. Adam Kinzinger [R-IL11] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/adam_kinzinger/412421)
Rep. James “Jim” Langevin [D-RI2] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/james_langevin/400230)
Rep. Frank LoBiondo [R-NJ2] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/frank_lobiondo/400244)
Rep. Michael McCaul [R-TX10] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/michael_mccaul/400654)
Rep. Jeff Miller [R-FL1] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/jeff_miller/400279)
Rep. Sue Myrick [R-NC9] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/sue_myrick/400288)
Rep. Devin Nunes [R-CA21] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/devin_nunes/400297)
Rep. Mike Pompeo [R-KS4] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/mike_pompeo/412431)
Rep. Thomas Rooney [R-FL16] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/thomas_rooney/412311)
Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger [D-MD2] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/ca_ruppersberger/400349)
Rep. John Shimkus [R-IL19] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/john_shimkus/400373)
Rep. Lee Terry [R-NE2] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/lee_terry/400400)
Rep. Michael “Mike” Thompson [D-CA1] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/c_thompson/400403)
Rep. Frederick “Fred” Upton [R-MI6] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/frederick_upton/400414)
Rep. Greg Walden [R-OR2] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/greg_walden/400419)
Rep. Lynn Westmoreland [R-GA3] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/lynn_westmoreland/400627)
Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen [R-NJ11] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/rodney_frelinghuysen/400142) (joined Dec 08, 2011)
Rep. Robert Latta [R-OH5] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/robert_latta/412256) (joined Dec 08, 2011)
Rep. Patrick McHenry [R-NC10] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/patrick_mchenry/400644) (joined Dec 08, 2011)
Rep. Ben Quayle [R-AZ3] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/ben_quayle/412398) (joined Dec 08, 2011)
Rep. Kevin Yoder [R-KS3] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kevin_yoder/412430) (joined Dec 08, 2011)
Rep. David “Dave” Camp [R-MI4] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/david_camp/400058) (joined Dec 16, 2011)
Rep. Timothy Walberg [R-MI7] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/timothy_walberg/412213) (joined Dec 16, 2011)
Rep. Anna Eshoo [D-CA14] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/anna_eshoo/400124) (joined Dec 20, 2011)
Rep. Michael Michaud [D-ME2] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/michael_michaud/400274) (joined Dec 20, 2011)
Rep. Mike Coffman [R-CO6] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/mike_coffman/412271) (joined Jan 18, 2012)
Rep. Robert “Bob” Goodlatte [R-VA6] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/robert_goodlatte/400154) (joined Jan 18, 2012)
Rep. David McKinley [R-WV1] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/david_mckinley/412487) (joined Jan 18, 2012)
Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers [R-WA5] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/cathy_mcmorris_rodgers/400659) (joined Jan 18, 2012)
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen [R-FL18] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/ileana_ros_lehtinen/400344) (joined Jan 18, 2012)
Rep. John Sullivan [R-OK1] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/john_sullivan/400392) (joined Jan 18, 2012)
Rep. Randy Forbes [R-VA4] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/j_forbes/400137) (joined Jan 25, 2012)
Rep. Frank Wolf [R-VA10] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/frank_wolf/400435) (joined Jan 25, 2012)
Rep. Darrell Issa [R-CA49] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/darrell_issa/400196) (joined Jan 31, 2012)
Rep. Gary Miller [R-CA42] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/gary_miller/400277) (joined Jan 31, 2012)
Rep. Clifford “Cliff” Stearns [R-FL6] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/clifford_stearns/400388) (joined Jan 31, 2012)
Rep. Tom Cole [R-OK4] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/tom_cole/400077) (joined Feb 01, 2012)
Rep. Michael Turner [R-OH3] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/michael_turner/400411) (joined Feb 01, 2012)
Rep. Mo Brooks [R-AL5] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/mo_brooks/412395) (joined Feb 07, 2012)
Rep. John Carter [R-TX31] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/john_carter/400068) (joined Feb 07, 2012)
Rep. Vicky Hartzler [R-MO4] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/vicky_hartzler/412444) (joined Feb 07, 2012)
Rep. Bill Huizenga [R-MI2] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bill_huizenga/412437) (joined Feb 07, 2012)
Rep. Dan Benishek [R-MI1] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/dan_benishek/412436) (joined Feb 13, 2012)
Rep. Paul Broun [R-GA10] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/paul_broun/412252) (joined Feb 13, 2012)
Rep. Michael Grimm [R-NY13] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/michael_grimm/412451) (joined Feb 13, 2012)
Rep. Brett Guthrie [R-KY2] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/brett_guthrie/412278) (joined Feb 13, 2012)
Rep. Candice Miller [R-MI10] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/candice_miller/400276) (joined Feb 13, 2012)
Rep. Michael “Mike” Rogers [R-AL3] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/michael_rogers/400341) (joined Feb 13, 2012)
Rep. Geoff Davis [R-KY4] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/geoff_davis/400633) (joined Feb 14, 2012)
Rep. Doc Hastings [R-WA4] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/doc_hastings/400171) (joined Feb 14, 2012)
Rep. Leonard Lance [R-NJ7] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/leonard_lance/412290) (joined Feb 14, 2012)
Rep. Patrick Meehan [R-PA7] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/patrick_meehan/412466) (joined Feb 14, 2012)
Rep. Spencer Bachus [R-AL6] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/spencer_bachus/400010) (joined Feb 16, 2012)
Rep. Mary Bono Mack [R-CA45] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/mary_bono_mack/400039) (joined Feb 16, 2012)
Rep. John Kline [R-MN2] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/john_kline/400224) (joined Feb 16, 2012)
Rep. Pete Olson [R-TX22] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/pete_olson/412302) (joined Feb 16, 2012)
Rep. Aaron Schock [R-IL18] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/aaron_schock/412314) (joined Feb 16, 2012)
Rep. William “Bill” Shuster [R-PA9] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/william_shuster/409888) (joined Feb 16, 2012)
Rep. Joe Baca [D-CA43] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/joe_baca/400009) (joined Feb 27, 2012)
Rep. Chuck Fleischmann [R-TN3] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/chuck_fleischmann/412476) (joined Feb 27, 2012)
Rep. Phil Roe [R-TN1] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/phil_roe/412310) (joined Feb 27, 2012)
Rep. Leonard Boswell [D-IA3] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/leonard_boswell/400042) (joined Feb 28, 2012)
Rep. Kristi Noem [R-SD0] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kristi_noem/412475) (joined Feb 28, 2012)
Rep. Rob Wittman [R-VA1] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/rob_wittman/412255) (joined Mar 01, 2012)
Rep. Marsha Blackburn [R-TN7] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/marsha_blackburn/400032) (joined Mar 05, 2012)
Rep. Alcee Hastings [D-FL23] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/alcee_hastings/400170) (joined Mar 05, 2012)
Rep. Randy Hultgren [R-IL14] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/randy_hultgren/412422) (joined Mar 05, 2012)
Rep. Robert Hurt [R-VA5] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/robert_hurt/412484) (joined Mar 05, 2012)
Rep. Rick Crawford [R-AR1] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/rick_crawford/412400) (joined Mar 08, 2012)
Rep. Bill Johnson [R-OH6] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bill_johnson/412460) (joined Mar 08, 2012)
Rep. Adrian Smith [R-NE3] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/adrian_smith/412217) (joined Mar 08, 2012)
Del. Madeleine Bordallo [D-GU0] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/madeleine_bordallo/400041) (joined Mar 19, 2012)
Rep. Trent Franks [R-AZ2] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/trent_franks/400141) (joined Mar 19, 2012)
Rep. Rick Larsen [D-WA2] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/rick_larsen/400232) (joined Mar 19, 2012)
Rep. Albio Sires [D-NJ13] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/albio_sires/412186) (joined Mar 19, 2012)
Rep. Edolphus “Ed” Towns [D-NY10] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/edolphus_towns/400409) (joined Mar 19, 2012)
Rep. Jim Cooper [D-TN5] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/jim_cooper/400081) (joined Mar 22, 2012)
Rep. Joseph Pitts [R-PA16] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/joseph_pitts/400320) (joined Mar 22, 2012)
Rep. Mike Ross [D-AR4] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/mike_ross/400345) (joined Mar 22, 2012)
Rep. Jon Runyan [R-NJ3] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/jon_runyan/412449) (joined Mar 22, 2012)
Rep. Roscoe Bartlett [R-MD6] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/roscoe_bartlett/400017) (joined Mar 29, 2012)
Rep. Brian Bilbray [R-CA50] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/brian_bilbray/400570) (joined Mar 29, 2012)
Rep. Dennis Cardoza [D-CA18] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/dennis_cardoza/400065) (joined Mar 29, 2012)
Rep. Jim Costa [D-CA20] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/jim_costa/400618) (joined Mar 29, 2012)
Rep. Morgan Griffith [R-VA9] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/h_griffith/412485) (joined Mar 29, 2012)
Rep. Larry Kissell [D-NC8] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/larry_kissell/412287) (joined Mar 29, 2012)
Rep. Mike McIntyre [D-NC7] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/mike_mcintyre/400266) (joined Mar 29, 2012)
Rep. William Owens [D-NY23] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/william_owens/412383) (joined Mar 29, 2012)
Rep. Collin Peterson [D-MN7] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/collin_peterson/400316) (joined Mar 29, 2012)
Rep. Steve Scalise [R-LA1] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/steve_scalise/412261) (joined Mar 29, 2012)
Rep. Heath Shuler [D-NC11] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/heath_shuler/412225) (joined Mar 29, 2012)
Rep. Steve Stivers [R-OH15] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/steve_stivers/412461) (joined Mar 29, 2012)
Rep. Addison “Joe” Wilson [R-SC2] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/addison_wilson/400433) (joined Mar 29, 2012)
Rep. Rob Woodall [R-GA7] (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/rob_woodall/412416) (joined Mar 29, 2012)

[dillo]

im calling shuster

[awake]

We would never have caught it the first time without the internet.

[Xhin]

Bump