MD/DC/WI Results Thread

[evandeck]

Poll Closings

8PM: Maryland and DC
9PM: Wisconsin

Exit polls in Wisconsin show a similar result from the other states. CNN isn't showing the exit polls for MD and DC.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Here's FOX's results page. They don't have anything up yet.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-primary-calendar

[evandeck]

Maryland goes to Romney

MD Exit Polls
Romney: 49%
Santorum 28%
Gingrich 11%
Paul: 10%

[tangent4ronpaul]

Maryland goes to Romney

MD Exit Polls
Romney: 49%
Santorum 28%
Gingrich 11%
Paul: 10%

Seriously? with what % reporting? Source?

[ssjevot]

Seriously? with what % reporting? Source?

CNN called it for Romney too. 0% reporting, just from exit polls, it was a landslide.

[kill the banks]

BREAKING NEWS
NBC News Declares Mitt Romney the Projected Winner in District of Columbia and Maryland in GOP Primaries (story developing)

[FSP-Rebel]

Seriously? with what % reporting? Source?
Just exit polls yo. Not sure if they've even started counting ballots yet.

[lukester]

It is electronic voting mostly in Maryland and dc. They already know the results and the exit polls will be similar. Kind of disappointing.

[bluesc]

CNN called MD for Romney: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/03/breaking-romney-wins-maryland-primary-cnn-projects/

[RonRules]

CNN called it for Romney too. 0% reporting, just from exit polls, it was a landslide.

THAT's a first! 0.0% reporting.

I believe in sampling statistics, but not when the sample is 0.0%

[jeremiahj13]

I'm from Wisconsin, and got me, my parents, and my twin brother to all vote Ron Paul :)

[Havax]

I visited multiple polling places today and never saw anyone taking exit poll information. I think we'll take 3rd.

[lukester]

Dam 1% in and and they know? Blitzer said guarantee for Romney.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

I believe in sampling statistics, but not when the sample is 0.0%

The sample for the exit poll that showed Romney winning Maryland by a double-digit margin wasn't zero people.

[evandeck]

Google is starting to show totals but it says "0.0% reporting (0/1892)"

http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results/2012/gop-primary/md

[badger4RP]

I'm from Wisconsin, and got me, my parents, and my twin brother to all vote Ron Paul :)

got the fam, friends, business partners, and their fams... man i hope people are caught up in recall fever and the youth can make a dent.

[Tiso0770]

I never trust any polls from Main stream media.

[RonRules]

Look at how pathetic CNN is, they don't even show Ron Paul in the results:
http://i41.tinypic.com/kyik6.png

[Agorism]

any wisconsin news?

[DerickVonD]

Wow no surprise. I absolutely hate this state.

[RonRules]

Looks like we're flipping again tonight!
http://i41.tinypic.com/3eump.png

[lukester]

Paul at 9% in Maryland! 200 votes behind newt.

[PaulSoHard]

honestly I don't know where people are getting the vote-flipping stuff anymore. If exit polls are a close projection of the actual votes does that mean exit polls are flipped as well?

[evandeck]

Every county that has results have 0% Reporting. All I can say is "HOW?"

[CTRattlesnake]

Every county that has results have 0% Reporting. All I can say is "HOW?"


Absentee ballots


Please dont start any conspiracy bs

[RonRules]

Another prediction with 0.0% actual votes counted.

They really want their man to win don't they:
http://i39.tinypic.com/2ytrw4k.png

[DerickVonD]

So whats this mean for delegates? They all go to Mitt Stalin now?

[bluesc]

Absentee ballots


Please dont start any conspiracy bs

Please don't discourage any and all questioning by preemptively calling it "conspiracy bs".

[RonRules]

Absentee ballots


Please dont start any conspiracy bs

It's not a matter of conspiracy. I just want the sampling to be done on REAL votes, not surveys.

Besides Absentee ballots ARE counted AND reported. They based the wins on exit polling and that's wrong.

Often these exit polls come out well before the polls close. Saw one before noon today.

[CTRattlesnake]

Another prediction with 0.0% actual votes counted.

They really want their man to win don't they:
http://i39.tinypic.com/2ytrw4k.png

Thats actually odd.

There were no exit polls in DC No one has any idea

[CTRattlesnake]

Please don't discourage any and all questioning by preemptively calling it "conspiracy bs".


Not saying questioning is wrong, simply providing an answer

[RonRules]

Mitt flippin' a little more:
http://i44.tinypic.com/aqemo.png

[lukester]

Watch the percentages that are now set for Maryland on cnn will stay the same to 100%.

[tangent4ronpaul]

It's not a matter of conspiracy. I just want the sampling to be done on REAL votes, not surveys.

Besides Absentee ballots ARE counted AND reported. They based the wins on exit polling and that's wrong.

Often these exit polls come out well before the polls close. Saw one before noon today.

From what I've heard, they don't count absentee or write in ballots unless the election is close and they would make a difference.

[RonRules]

Watch the percentages that are now set for Maryland on cnn will stay the same to 100%.

NO. Wana bet, new user?

[RonRules]

From what I've heard, they don't count absentee or write in ballots unless the election is close and they would make a difference.

More to the point. They reported a winner with ZERO actual votes counted. I think this is a bad idea.

[MarcusI]

@Conspiracy-believers: What sense does it make to compete for Ron Paul or any candidate? No sense at all? Then why are you following the results? You should build a militia or something.

[rpwi]

Maryland needs more counties! Fewer counties makes watching the google map returns so much more boring. Wisconsin should be at least more exciting to watch with our 72 counties :) Not only will there be better variation and demographic data...but we can better keep an eye on the 8 congressional districts to see if Paul has a shot at any of those.

[kill the banks]

I'm a treason believer myself

[RonRules]

Updates have slowed down:
http://i42.tinypic.com/8vyyhc.png

[Gray Fullbuster]

Updates have slowed down:
http://i42.tinypic.com/8vyyhc.png

Young people vote guys! We swear!

[RonRules]

Yah, but old people vote like maniacs: (Maryland)
http://i44.tinypic.com/975r2a.png

I'm surprised at the youth vote for Santorum.

[DerickVonD]

Yah, but old people vote like maniacs:
http://i44.tinypic.com/975r2a.png

I'm surprised at the youth vote for Santorum.
For this state? I'm not.

[evandeck]

Polls are about to close in Wisconsin. There are still no results in DC.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Yah, but old people vote like maniacs:
http://i44.tinypic.com/975r2a.png

I'm surprised at the youth vote for Santorum.

:eek: F ME! No kidding about the youth vote.

That's really pathetic :(

-t

[DerickVonD]

You have to remember O'Malley was voted in TWICE. Everyone around here is so uneducated it's unreal. I can't wait to move out of this shit hole of a state.

[evandeck]

Wisconsin Exit Polls
Romney: 43%
Santorum: 35%
Paul: 11%
Gingrich: 6%

No winner yet.

[Dogsoldier]

But does this mean that all the delegates go to Romney automatically or what?

[evandeck]

Romney wins DC with 65%. Ron Paul has 14% and Gingrich has 12%

[Darguth]

Romney wins DC with 65%. Ron Paul has 14% and Gingrich has 12%

Less than 1% reporting :/

[tangent4ronpaul]

But does this mean that all the delegates go to Romney automatically or what?

Read the first post here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?370326-Open-Thread-April-3-Primaries-DC-Maryland-Wisconsin

[RonRules]

With a start like THAT in Wisconsin, I guarantee you vote flipping. All night long:
http://i41.tinypic.com/xgf7du.png

[RonRules]

See!
http://i41.tinypic.com/4fx4ed.png

[RonRules]

Skeptical anyone?
http://i44.tinypic.com/u0nkp.png

[rpwi]

Skeptical anyone?
http://i44.tinypic.com/u0nkp.pngMakes sense...two of the counties are from the Fox River Valley (bible belt of Wisconsin) and the third is a small percentage of dane county (the rural areas where Santorum will be strongest).

[CTRattlesnake]

Skeptical anyone?
http://i44.tinypic.com/u0nkp.png

Because 1% of the vote is naturally representative of the entire state

[RonRules]

Holy COW! (Just for Wisconsin) Romney is going to win this one!
http://i40.tinypic.com/2vxmxy9.png

[RonRules]

Because 1% of the vote is naturally representative of the entire state

It's also as we have demonstrated ad nauseum that these are SMALL precincts.

Can't wait to see precinct-level data to show this for the TWENTIETH time.

[rpwi]

Once the Milwaukee burbs report in, Romney will probably shoot ahead. Nice to see santorum giving Romney a fight in Dane county...we'll need a Romney/Santorum split to get a plurality in the 2nd district. The best results (hopefully) will probably be reported late as Madison almost always is last to report (if our vacationing students with out-of-date drivers licenses were abe to vote :( )

[seawolf]

Ron is underperforming just a bit in Maryland so far, but it is still early.

[lukester]

Wow exactly a tie for first atm?

[DerickVonD]

As long as Romney isn't in first, I'll feel okay, not happy but okay. Hell to be honest I wish they were pushing Newt. I don't like Newt, but I like him better than Romney and Santorum.

[RonRules]

They're even:
http://i40.tinypic.com/a12v47.png

[Eisenhower]

oh yeah surely its an exact tie in wisconsin thanks for rigging another one GOP establishment neocons

[RonRules]

Here's the precise moment where it's all OVER for Santorum:
http://i44.tinypic.com/mtw3yf.png

[MarcusI]

A minimum of cold comfort:

Paul results in 2008:

Maryland 6,0%
DC 8,0%
Wisconsin 4,7%

If only he would have 20 more active years in politics...

[justatrey]

Fox just called Wisconsin for Romney =/

[rpwi]

Fox just called Wisconsin for Romney =/Which is stupid...because even if Romney wins the popular vote and the at-large delegates, the congressional delegates are still are stake and we have 8 more races to watch.

[RonRules]

So Ron beat Newt in two out of three states tonight. Will we hear the MSM asking Newt if he's going to quit, + considering that he's broke and all.
http://i44.tinypic.com/2zdum80.png

[Titus]

The most likely way Rick Santorum wins is that Democrats vote for Santorum. Wisconsin has an open primary. With the various local elections being held today, there is a possibility for cross-over vote. Wisconsin hasn't had the opportunity to play spoiler in quite awhile.

Fox will call for the republican establishment candidate with .0001% difference asap.

[RonRules]

Hunstman is making a comeback in DC!
http://i42.tinypic.com/vfuuqb.png

[tbone717]

So Ron beat Newt in two out of three states tonight. Will we hear the MSM asking Newt if he's going to quit, + considering that he's broke and all.


He essentially has. Didn't he get rid of a lot of the staff and say that he is focused now on the convention? Basically he suspended without actually suspending.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Fox just called Wisconsin for Romney =/

Romney and Santorum are 30 votes apart with 3% reporting... Is FOX freaking nuts or what? How can they call when it;s that close and soo many uncounted votes.

[tbone717]

The most likely way Rick Santorum wins is that Democrats vote for Santorum. Wisconsin has an open primary. With the various local elections being held today, there is a possibility for cross-over vote. Wisconsin hasn't had the opportunity to play spoiler in quite awhile.

Fox will call for the republican establishment candidate with .0001% difference asap.

They called it based on exit polling. Romney won the exit polling 42 to 35

[tangent4ronpaul]

Hunstman is making a comeback in DC!
http://i42.tinypic.com/vfuuqb.png

This reminds me of that story about the town that elected the guy that was dead...

[digitaldean]

Since Wisconsin is an open primary why didn't Paul do more? You would think states that boarder Canada is where Paul does the best. Oh well I guess the media has made this into a Romeny/Santorum fight starting from IL.

[Gravik]

Not a surprise ROmney won DC, a city full of lobbyists.

[CTRattlesnake]

Since Wisconsin is an open primary why didn't Paul do more? You would think states that boarder Canada is where Paul does the best. Oh well I guess the media has made this into a Romeny/Santorum fight starting from IL.

Wisconsin does not border canada

[mac_hine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OO4dEULt3Q

[RonRules]

If Paul voters would have been strategic, voting for Santorum would have him easily beat Romney.

[Simple]

28% of the vote in DC so far on Google. 201 votes for Paul vs 1085 for Romney.
http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results/2012/gop-primary/dc

MaryLand
http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results/2012/gop-primary/md

Wisconsin
http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results/2012/gop-primary/wi

[RonRules]

I find the Huntsman results utterly bizarre.
http://i42.tinypic.com/35jeahi.png

Before uploading the picture, I have to enter a captcha. The words they asked me were "senior citizen". I wonder if that's a clue to the above results.

[Havax]

Lots of liberals and moderates love Huntsman - they think he was the only "reasonable" candidate running.

[SchleckBros]

My guess is that most of the Huntsman votes are from Santorum supporters who couldn't vote for their man.

[kathy88]

Can't wait til the press on this starts. Huntsman almost beats Paul... blah blah blah ad nauseum ad infinitum.

[tangent4ronpaul]

I find the Huntsman results utterly bizarre.

Before uploading the picture, I have to enter a captcha. The words they asked me were "senior citizen". I wonder if that's a clue to the above results.

Huntsman
Santorum

Squint your eyes real hard so letters blur....

Actually, when they "fixed" the software, they were expecting an additional bucket to siphon Paul's votes into but lacking Santorum and with a min wage vote fixer who couldn't program, they had to punt... ;)

-t

[JayLeth]

Which is stupid...because even if Romney wins the popular vote and the at-large delegates, the congressional delegates are still are stake and we have 8 more races to watch.

Not stupid at all considering he got 18 delegates for winning the state, and there are 24 delegates up for grabs in district races. Obviously he had to win ONE district (or else he wouldn't have had the lead overall) so the very WORST he could do is half of the delegates. So no..not stupid to call it when someone is guaranteed to have half, and based on exit polling, going to easily get 75% or more

It is not stupid just because it isn't what YOU want.

[rb3b3]

I think what's frustrating to all of us, is how when Ron Paul has a rally, he don't get hundreds to listen to him, he gets THOUSANDS!! They just booked a 10,000 seat place for Ron's visit to ucla, and when we see results come in such as these we all just want to bang our heads against the wall.. I know I know they go to listen to him, but don't go out and actually vote right??? Well I'm not believing that anymore!! I do believe they vote, I just don't know who's recording their votes!!!!! I never wanted to believe this, but I'm really starting to believe that the American people have absolutely no say anymore in who gets elected, call me whatever you want, but as long as they continue to record votes on electronic voting machines which were already proven to being rigged but yet they still use them says a real lot to me and the reason for feeling this way!! Im sooo sick of the msm and the establishment for ruining this once great country!! In all honesty, how will we ever get this country back??

[James Madison]

Isn't Georgetown University in Washington, D.C.?

[The Other Andy]

The most likely way Rick Santorum wins is that Democrats vote for Santorum. Wisconsin has an open primary. With the various local elections being held today, there is a possibility for cross-over vote. Wisconsin hasn't had the opportunity to play spoiler in quite awhile.

Fox will call for the republican establishment candidate with .0001% difference asap.

I know I've heard from a couple Democrats that they voted for Santorum. That said, I have no problem believing that he could do well here. We are a much more religious state that many think.


Heh, according to Google Michelle Bachmann is doing better than John Huntsman. She has 0.8% of the vote with 43% reporting.

[rpwi]

Not stupid at all considering he got 18 delegates for winning the state, and there are 24 delegates up for grabs in district races. Obviously he had to win ONE district (or else he wouldn't have had the lead overall) so the very WORST he could do is half of the delegates. So no..not stupid to call it when someone is guaranteed to have half, and based on exit polling, going to easily get 75% or more

It is not stupid just because it isn't what YOU want.Curious first post... You are confusing two concepts. There is the matter of fox calling the popular vote for Wisconsin and fox calling the state of Wisconsin (and presumably all the delegates). By Fox calling the state of Wisconsin they are making our contest sound a lot more simplistic than it is and neglecting the fact that other delegates are at play (Santorum has probably clinched 6 delegates already in our northern districts). Have no problem with Fox calling the at-large contest and it's delegates...they just need to separate this from the CD contests.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Isn't Georgetown University in Washington, D.C.?

37th and O Street, N.W.. Washington, D.C. 20057

[tbone717]

I think what's frustrating to all of us, is how when Ron Paul has a rally, he don't get hundreds to listen to him, he gets THOUSANDS!! They just booked a 10,000 seat place for Ron's visit to ucla, and when we see results come in such as these we all just want to bang our heads against the wall.. I know I know they go to listen to him, but don't go out and actually vote right??? Well I'm not believing that anymore!! I do believe they vote, I just don't know who's recording their votes!!!!! I never wanted to believe this, but I'm really starting to believe that the American people have absolutely no say anymore in who gets elected, call me whatever you want, but as long as they continue to record votes on electronic voting machines which were already proven to being rigged but yet they still use them says a real lot to me and the reason for feeling this way!! Im sooo sick of the msm and the establishment for ruining this once great country!! In all honesty, how will we ever get this country back??

Rallies are an indicator of the level of enthusiasm, not the broadness of the support.

I have used this analogy before, but think of the Grateful Dead. They had a hardcore base of fans that would follow them around the country, and they would sell out every venue they played in for multiple nights in a row. But when it came to chart success, they had one single in the top 10 during their entire career.

It's the same thing for Paul. People will pack an auditorium to see him speak, but there isn't a broad base of support that translates into electoral success.

But the good news is that the White House is just one of the 470 Federal offices that are up for grabs this year, and while we may not be successful in this one, there are plenty of other libertarian-conservatives that will win office in November. We are winning, even if Paul is not.

[James Madison]

37th and O Street, N.W.. Washington, D.C. 20057

Wow.

You'd think we would have some kind of GOTV in place with such a small electorate.

[kathy88]

Rallies are an indicator of the level of enthusiasm, not the broadness of the support.

I have used this analogy before, but think of the Grateful Dead. They had a hardcore base of fans that would follow them around the country, and they would sell out every venue they played in for multiple nights in a row. But when it came to chart success, they had one single in the top 10 during their entire career.

It's the same thing for Paul. People will pack an auditorium to see him speak, but there isn't a broad base of support that translates into electoral success.

But the good news is that the White House is just one of the 470 Federal offices that are up for grabs this year, and while we may not be successful in this one, there are plenty of other libertarian-conservatives that will win office in November. We are winning, even if Paul is not.At least there was LSD with the Dead.

[RDM]

Wow.

You'd think we would have some kind of GOTV in place with such a small electorate.

There you go with that Dirty Four Letter Word. Don't you know that word is taboo on this forum. Shame! Shame!

[tangent4ronpaul]

Rallies are an indicator of the level of enthusiasm, not the broadness of the support.

I have used this analogy before, but think of the Grateful Dead. They had a hardcore base of fans that would follow them around the country, and they would sell out every venue they played in for multiple nights in a row. But when it came to chart success, they had one single in the top 10 during their entire career.

It's the same thing for Paul. People will pack an auditorium to see him speak, but there isn't a broad base of support that translates into electoral success.

But the good news is that the White House is just one 470 Federal offices that are up for grabs this year, and while we may not be successful in this one, there are plenty of other libertarian-conservatives that will win office in November. We are winning, even if Paul is not.

Are we really winning? Of all the offices last time, I believe we won 2 elections. Fewer seem to be running this time.

Romney would be more of the same. What really scares me is Santorum. The percent of people that go to church are supposed to be about 20% of the population. This is a guy that wears his religion on his sleeve, who wants the federal gvmt to shove his morality down your throat and make your bedroom the governments business, wo wants to ban abortion and porn on a federal level. He's a train wreck in progress, a nightmare - and look at his numbers... VERY SCARY!

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

At least there was LSD with the Dead.

I think you might have just discovered the solution to the college student apathy issue :D j/k

[tbone717]

Are we really winning? Of all the offices last time, I believe we won 2 elections. Fewer seem to be running this time.

Romney would be more of the same. What really scares me is Santorum. The percent of people that go to church are supposed to be about 20% of the population. This is a guy that wears his religion on his sleeve, who wants the federal gvmt to shove his morality down your throat and make your bedroom the governments business, wo wants to ban abortion and porn on a federal level. He's a train wreck in progress, a nightmare - and look at his numbers... VERY SCARY!

-t

There is a thread stickied at the top of the 2012 candidates forum with a list of libertarian-conservatives running this year.

[RonRules]

I think what's frustrating to all of us, is how when Ron Paul has a rally, he don't get hundreds to listen to him, he gets THOUSANDS!! They just booked a 10,000 seat place for Ron's visit to ucla, and when we see results come in such as these we all just want to bang our heads against the wall.. I know I know they go to listen to him, but don't go out and actually vote right??? Well I'm not believing that anymore!!

I am totally with you buddy.

If you want to do something about it, please go read our vote flipping thread. We have a new "light" version that's easier for newcomers:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?369316-Evidence-of-election-fraud-piling-up

By analyzing the post-election data, we see overwhelming evidence that votes are exchanged between candidates, with Romney ALWAYS gaining. This was happening right before your eyes tonight, but Santorum was mostly the victim. We'll see in a couple of days when we make the charts.

Here's what you can do. Get familiar with our analysis the best you can. If the math or statistics is not your bag, please pass it on to a math teacher, a statistician, an engineer, physicist, anybody with a science degree. They will readily accept it and maybe explain it back to you.

Next, when you are satisfied that what we are saying is correct, please meet with your election Registar of Voters, Election clerk, etc. If the elections have happened already, BEG them to NOT certify the results until these incredible discrepancies have been explained. If the elections are yet to come, have a look at our suggestions in the thread and give that to your elections people.

I sincerely believe that Ron Paul can win the 2012 elections if we ALL expose, prove and prosecute the Romney team or the GOP for those treasonous activities. That's how we win this in 2012.

You can ALL help.

[tbone717]

I think you might have just discovered the solution to the college student apathy issue :D j/k

It was actually the cause of apathy when I was in college LOL.

[James Madison]

We're getting absolutely slaughtered in the Milwaukee suburbs. We average about 6%, Romney over 60%. Around 1/4 of all votes cast have come from the three surrounding counties.

[ClydeCoulter]

Romney's numbers are only going to get higher as the primary goes on, UNLESS, we make sure Ron Paul looks to a valid candidate in the publics eye. The MSM is pronouncing Romney the winner. It is of utmost importance for the public to see Ron Paul's name everywhere they go.

Edit: Sheeple vote for who they are told is the winner. Tell them who is the winner, ONLY RON PAUL.

[tangent4ronpaul]

It was actually the cause of apathy when I was in college LOL.

Just put the bowl of 'lectric coolaid at the exit of the polling place... ;)

-t

[rpwi]

Results are a little odd...

Supposedly the Madison rally had 5200 people. Granted a bunch came in out of county...

With 91% voting in Dane county, Paul has 8898 voters. So let's say he finishes the day at 9k...when earlier he had a 5k rally. Are we to believe that Paul's Madison support was merely double that of his rally?

Don't know about fraud...who knows. Students were on spring break and a surprise rule meant you had to vote with a drivers license that had a current address on it (new for Wisconsin). That might have discouraged a lot of students :(

Still Dane county has a half million people...think we should have been able to do better than 8898.

[digitaldean]

Results are a little odd...

Supposedly the Madison rally had 5200 people. Granted a bunch came in out of county...

With 91% voting in Dane county, Paul has 8898 voters. So let's say he finishes the day at 9k...when earlier he had a 5k rally. Are we to believe that Paul's Madison support was merely double that of his rally?

Don't know about fraud...who knows. Students were on spring break and a surprise rule meant you had to vote with a drivers license that had a current address on it (new for Wisconsin). That might have discouraged a lot of students :(

Still Dane county has a half million people...think we should have been able to do better than 8898.

Paul needs to tell people to go vote. If anyone no matter of part was brought up he might of got more votes.

[rpwi]

Paul needs to tell people to go vote. If anyone no matter of part was brought up he might of got more votes.These weren't casual crowd-goers...they chanted end-the-fed and boo'ed Woodrew Wilson :) Hard to believe they wouldn't vote...

[RonRules]

With a start like THAT in Wisconsin, I guarantee you vote flipping. All night long:
http://i41.tinypic.com/xgf7du.png

I guaranteed you flipping and here's the final result:
http://i39.tinypic.com/2gt98r9.png

[The Northbreather]

Rallies are an indicator of the level of enthusiasm, not the broadness of the support.

I have used this analogy before, but think of the Grateful Dead. They had a hardcore base of fans that would follow them around the country, and they would sell out every venue they played in for multiple nights in a row. But when it came to chart success, they had one single in the top 10 during their entire career.

It's the same thing for Paul. People will pack an auditorium to see him speak, but there isn't a broad base of support that translates into electoral success.

But the good news is that the White House is just one of the 470 Federal offices that are up for grabs this year, and while we may not be successful in this one, there are plenty of other libertarian-conservatives that will win office in November. We are winning, even if Paul is not.

Agreed, but all in all the G.D. are one of the most successful bands in U.S. history. They also changed policy from within their industry through transparency. They created RoIO (recordings of independent origin).They let everyone record and distribute their music/message and through this freedom let people decide for themselves if they liked it or not. Much like Ron Paul.

[Jeffster]

I guaranteed you flipping and here's the final result:
http://i39.tinypic.com/2gt98r9.png

By "flipping" do you mean that Romney and Santorum switched places? That's not in any way unusual, when the first results you posted were 1 percent.

[Keith and stuff]

Lots of liberals and moderates love Huntsman - they think he was the only "reasonable" candidate running.

That's a good point. If Romney wasn't running, I think Huntsman would have won DC.

[RonRules]

By "flipping" do you mean that Romney and Santorum switched places? That's not in any way unusual, when the first results you posted were 1 percent.

That's highly unusual, starting with 20% advantage and 1% sample. Actually 1% is 3,000 votes for Wisconsin. That THREE times more than your typical nationwide survey that claims 3% accuracy. A 1% well distributed sample, will produce very accurate election results.

I don't know that the above 1% is that well distributed, but it was random, arriving as quickly as it could be counted.

we have seen in 2012 very serious vote flipping in 19 states and I am convinced that tonight (and also Ohio) are states that Santorum should have won, but was stolen by Romney.,

Please check out Vote Flipping thread over the next few days as we analyze that data. I've seen enough of it that by just watching the real time results this evening, I'm quite sure that a good +/-10% vote flipping occurred favoring Romney.

Here's the thread to follow. Spend the time to understand it and don't be shy to ask questions:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?369316-Evidence-of-election-fraud-piling-up

[cheapseats]

It's the same thing for Paul. People will pack an auditorium to see him speak, but there isn't a broad base of support that translates into electoral success.

I don't buy it.

I can buy it once, even twice, I'll grant three times for the sake of argument. But over and over and over and over and over...how many states are we up to? Ron Paul's above-averagely ENTHUSIASTIC supporters-more-like-fans would see/hear how their Idol was languishing due to their non-voting, and more would vote.

Not to suggest that suddenly Teen's & 20-Somethings would vote en masse, but more WOULD vote. You spew FALSITY when you say that this is just another election in any ol' year. FAL-SI-TY.

Even Teens & 20-Somethings know better than THAT.




But the good news is that the White House is just one of the 470 Federal offices that are up for grabs this year, and while we may not be successful in this one, there are plenty of other libertarian-conservatives that will win office in November. We are winning, even if Paul is not.


A ballpark figure will do, but I kinda need to learn what percentage of this Board views THAT as good news.

Seriously, is that what y'all are playing for now, REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL SEATS?

Only say the word, but let it not come from a 2011 arrival with an obvious agenda.

We no longer think we have any chance at the Presidency, but we are content to parlay Ron Paul's failed candidacy into "wins" for several other Republicans in several other offices. TRUE or FALSE?

[libertybrewcity]

I think we did very well, at least in Wisconsin. In 2008 RP received abuot 19,000 votes. Today, he received 81,000! That is an incredible increase in support!

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I think we did very well, at least in Wisconsin. In 2008 RP received abuot 19,000 votes. Today, he received 81,000! That is an incredible increase in support!


OF COURSE he is doing well compared to last time, but it was still something like 12%, 12% and 10% tonight.

That constitutes losing BADLY. "Distant third", they say. Or, "trailing badly."

Gotta preference between almost-certain loss as an Independent vs. CERTAIN loss as a Republican?

[parocks]

Wow.

You'd think we would have some kind of GOTV in place with such a small electorate.

Why would you think that we WOULD have some kind of GOTV? Not should, but would. Special or Extra GOTV at colleges has been rare. It's not part of any campaign plan, there's no system that has been perfected. It's just not done. There are big rallies here and there, but it's rare to see the rally result in any phenominal vote totals.

[parocks]

By "flipping" do you mean that Romney and Santorum switched places? That's not in any way unusual, when the first results you posted were 1 percent.

I think he's using "flipping" to mean "something is happening that I don't understand".

I think that he thinks that the first numbers to come up are the "right" numbers. And that everything after the first numbers are up are wrong numbers, adjusted numbers, "flipped" numbers.

I'm not sure he understands that precincts exist, and if he does, he certainly does not believe that different precincts have different characteristics which result in different outcomes. That type of understanding of the way the world works is actively thrown away, disposed of, ignored, perhaps even debunked.

The difference between a small rural town and a big suburb? To be ignored.

If you can predict that Santorum would win in the rural areas and Romney in the suburban areas, you simply are predicting where the fraud would be, where there would be "flipping".

[parocks]

If Paul voters would have been strategic, voting for Santorum would have him easily beat Romney.

There. Something I agree with you on.

[JorgeStevenson]

Wow.

You'd think we would have some kind of GOTV in place with such a small electorate.

Nobody who goes to college in DC is actually from DC. Probably 1/3 to 1/2 are from Northern VA or Southern Maryland, and the rest are from all over the place.

[Badger Paul]

We went from 5 percent in Pepin County to 10 percent. Paul had solid double-digit percentages pretty much through the whole state.

[drummergirl]

I'm not sure he understands that precincts exist, and if he does, he certainly does not believe that different precincts have different characteristics which result in different outcomes. That type of understanding of the way the world works is actively thrown away, disposed of, ignored, perhaps even debunked.



And evidently you resort to snide remarks and ad hominem attacks because you do not understand math.

[KenInMontiMN]

It's simple. Get involved, dump your primaries, get back to the open, non-binding caucus and there will again be a glimmer of hope that the mass-media no longer chooses the two major-party candidates.

[JustinL]

My apologies if someone has already posted this info (don't have time to look through entire thread), but I looked it up to share with a friend and figured I'd share it here as well incase someone hadn't done so already and people were interested.

Last time in DC he got 477-8% (4 others still in), this time 535-12% (3 others still in), last time in Maryland he got 18,602-6% (6 others still in), this time 22,698-9% (3 others), last time in Wisconsin he got 19,210-5% (3 others), this time 87,896-11% (3 others). So he improved in all states and by over 4X in Wisconsin in number of actual votes. So while he may have lost them all it seems there's been a shift in his direction atleast. More people coming around to him which is a victory in itself.

[rpwi]

It's looking pretty much like a lock now that Santorum will have won three districts and 9 delegates from Wisconsin...rest should go to Romney.

http://www.rivertowns.net/event/article/id/234249/

Despite this...we'll probably get a number of inaccurate delegate estimations from the MSM about how ALL Wisconsin delegates went to Romney and how he is that much close to clinching even though he isn't.