We MUST be more careful about the meaning behind our campaigns.

[HolcombForRonPaul]

Hello everyone this is my first post on these forums, I've been somewhat of a forum "troll" and finally decided to sign up. I'm 18 years old and a Freshman at the University of Kansas, and after hearing of Ron Paul a couple of months ago I have become somewhat of a political fanatic.

The reason I am making this thread is because I was just on You Tube and watched a video from Glenn Beck's show on CNN. Here is the link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg8M2JBIoqo). After watching these people take the November 5th Money Bomb and completely spin around the main idea of FREEDOM. I've come to the conclusion that we might of made a mistake implementing it with a "terrorist" as they say. Let's face it, this campaign is getting A LOT more attention from the media, which is great, but now we must realize that we are going to have to be much more careful when we organize these activities. We all know the media can take any story and spin it 180 degrees. Therefore, we cannot give them ANYTHING to spin in the first place. The Tea Party Money Bomb is a great step in that direction and I hope that we continue to use national holidays for rallies and money bombs. Once again my main point is that within our Grassroots campaign we need to take into consideration anything the media could use against us.

Any input on the topic?

[torchbearer]

Glad you joined up! I think we had a 50 page slug fest on this topic, not sure many are still alive to talk about it. ;)

[Sematary]

Hello everyone this is my first post on these forums, I've been somewhat of a forum "troll" and finally decided to sign up. I'm 18 years old and a Freshman at the University of Kansas, and after hearing of Ron Paul a couple of months ago I have become somewhat of a political fanatic.

The reason I am making this thread is because I was just on You Tube and watched a video from Glenn Beck's show on CNN. Here is the link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg8M2JBIoqo). After watching these people take the November 5th Money Bomb and completely spin around the main idea of FREEDOM. I've come to the conclusion that we might of made a mistake implementing it with a "terrorist" as they say. Let's face it, this campaign is getting A LOT more attention from the media, which is great, but now we must realize that we are going to have to be much more careful when we organize these activities. We all know the media can take any story and spin it 180 degrees. Therefore, we cannot give them ANYTHING to spin in the first place. The Tea Party Money Bomb is a great step in that direction and I hope that we continue to use national holidays for rallies and money bombs. Once again my main point is that within our Grassroots campaign we need to take into consideration anything the media could use against us.

Any input on the topic?

Considering the amount of money that was raised and the amount of POSITIVE press that was generated, I'm not too concerned about Glenn Beck preaching hatred, ignorance and stupidity to his hateful, ignorant and stupid choir.

[FreeTraveler]

Glenn Beck is absolutely right, as far as his own skin is concerned. After the election, he'll probably be indicted for treason, and we all know the penalty for that... but he'll get a fair trial. :D

[davidhperry]

Glad you joined up! I think we had a 50 page slug fest on this topic, not sure many are still alive to talk about it.

That's right. This was the source of much discussion and debate at one time. At this point, I think everyone generally agrees that it's better to pick more news-friendly themes so that opportunistic news personalities with agendas don't even have a chance to spin it against us.

[Paulitician]

Maybe you can give your input on the ad. There's some of us who are warning of possible blowback from of the wording in it, but some people are saying "no! we have to be bold and daring like 9/11 conspiracy theorists!" Thankfully the next money bomb is on December 16th, nothing bad about the meaning behind that.

[SeanEdwards]

Hehe, this topic got fought to death on these boards.

Ya know, a part of me agrees with what your saying. I was one of the people worried about the Guy Fawkes connection before the 11/5 moneybomb. And that fear of seeing Paul associated with a historic terrorist attack was obviously realized.

On the other hand, is $4.2 million and who knows how much intangible publicity.

I have to say that in hindsight, the whole V for Vendetta thing was a win, even if Beck is calling us terrorists. Results do matter. And in this case I think the positive results vastly outweighed the negative. I would have preferred it if we got the money without the terrorist tag, but then maybe we wouldn't have raised as much money without the hook of a dumb movie (which clearly a lot more people liked than I did).

There remains a continuous back and forth between grassroots supporters over how best to help the Paul campaign. We seem to often not agree, but as a collective ;) I think our results have been pretty decent. Passion and enthusiasm can gloss over small tactical missteps.

[pcosmar]

I have watched from the time I first heard that Ron Paul was Looking at running and then when he formally announced.
There is a group mentality that is so opposed, so threatened that they have attacked on every avenue they could find.
They Have FAILED, with every attack. They have made us stronger and more committed, with each attack.
The message is powerful, and Ron Paul sells himself. Truth and honesty are powerful, and will defeat these baseless attacks.
Ignore the fools.

[American]

This is a grassroots effort, and not directly associated with the official campaign. The fund raiser was a big hit, while there will always be a few no matter what you talk about they wont like it.

Glen Beck, David Horowitz can take a long walk off a short pier for all I care.

Welcome to the boards, and thanks for posting this. we did have quite the discussion about it before it went down...

[Menthol Patch]

I say we need to keep on doing what we have been doing and care less about the media!

[Cimbri]

The founders were considered a "terrorist" group by the crown. Just remain peaceful and you will be above the chickenhawks either way.

[LinearChaos]

Glenn Beck is stoopid. That is all.

[LibertyEagle]

I say we need to keep on doing what we have been doing and care less about the media!

I agree that they should not dictate our actions, but I don't see the need to go out of our way to antagonize them.

The payoff for 11/5 was higher than the backlash. But, I do agree with the OP that from this point on, there is no reason to unnecessarily give them ammo with which to shoot at this campaign.

[DrNoZone]

Welcome to the forums. This has been discussed ad-nauseum though.

[LibertyEagle]

Glenn Beck is stoopid. That is all.

It's not just Glenn Beck. http://www.aei.org/publications/filter.all,pubID.27105/pub_detail.asp

[freelance]

Glad you joined up! I think we had a 50 page slug fest on this topic, not sure many are still alive to talk about it. ;)

HAHAHA

Welcome to the forums.

This is not directed solely at you, HolcombForRonPaul; I'm just finally letting it out after sitting out all of the older debates. I wasn't sure how I felt before the first money bomb. I'm sure now.

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We could all sit around like quiet little church mice, and they'd still say the same things. They are trying to silence us. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT WE DO! They will still come after us. SCREW 'EM. We raised over $4M, and they're livid! How dare we rail against their machine? How dare WE? How dare they?

They tell us that we're uncivil, and yet when people write a reasoned, thorough rebuttal in the Queen's English, they are still ejected from forums.

Now, the lot of these demented folks are calling us terrorists. Have they gone totally insane?

There is NOTHING that we can do short of shutting down the campaign that would please those who are calling us all those rotten things.

They are attempting to instill fear so that we quit doing the things that are bringing support and attention to the campaign. (Look at how the polls numbers have grown since the money bomb.) What you're seeing now is only the beginning. It's going to get worse. We cannot tone it down a notch every time "they" don't like what we do or every time we're wildly successful in one of our endeavors. If we do that, before long, we'll be invisible. And, if we let that happen, then what will have been the point?

Would any of you trade that $4.2M and all the attention we've received to stay on the good side of TPTB--and the media is part of TPTB? If your answer to that question is yes, than SHAME ON YOU!

</rant>

[LibertyEagle]

Yeah, you're right, freelance. :o

[Matt]

At least they can't say shit about the 16th. I'd like to see them call us terrorists for celebrating the Boston Tea Party. Can you imagine the blowback from that. :eek::D

[tmg19103]

My email to me@glennbeck.com

Hey drunk - that's right, you Beck.

Due to your implication that I am a terrorist for supporting Ron Paul, I have ALREADY emailed the following advertisers of yours that I will NEVER again buy a product or use a service of theirs due to your statements.

http://www.lilly.com/contact.html

http://www.ustrust.com/contact/

http://newscenter.verizon.com/media-contacts/#business

http://www.geico.com/newsite/about_geico/contact_us/

http://automobiles.honda.com/informa...relations.aspx

http://www.lunesta.com/contact/contact.html

http://www.garmin.com/garmin/cms/sit...upportcontacts

http://www.schwabbank.com/contactUs.do

http://www.josbank.com/customer_service_main.tem

https://secure.bayer.com/bayer/contact.aspx?lang=en

http://www10.americanexpress.com/sif...1,24679,00.asp

http://www.llbean.com/customerService/index.html

http://www.tdameritrade.com/contact.html

https://www.progressive.com/contact-us.aspx

http://www.americaspower.org/Contact-Us

http://www.lincoln.com/help/contact_us.asp

http://www.farmers.com/FarmComm/WebS...ontact_us.html

http://www.glassdoctor.com/contact.htm

http://www.walgreens.com/contactus/forms.jsp

[Pete Kay]

Maybe you can give your input on the ad. There's some of us who are warning of possible blowback from of the wording in it, but some people are saying "no! we have to be bold and daring like 9/11 conspiracy theorists!" Thankfully the next money bomb is on December 16th, nothing bad about the meaning behind that.

Yeah right! When we raise 10 million in a day they'll say us "Paultards" support domestic terrorists like our Founding Fathers and that we ebcourage destructution of private property.

[DealzOnWheelz]

Here is a draft of the letter I am writing to the Writer of the AEI story

Hello,

How dare you even attempt to say that Ron Paul doesn’t fight for the Constitution. If anything Ron Paul is the Champion of the Constitution. It’s congress, Bush, Cheney, and all the corporate bought politicians that need to give they’re money back. How bought Hillary who is funded by Corporate Mercinary companies and promotes socialism.


The President takes an OATH to the Constitution as well you know. And as far as I have seen the current administration has overstepped its bounds and desecrated the Constitution.(ie the Patriot act & HR 1955 Violent Radicalization & Homegrown Terrorism Prevention act of 2007) Note section 899F (a) In General- The Dept. of Homeland Security’s efforts to prevent ideologically-based violence and homegrown terrorism as described herein shall not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, and civil liberties of US citizens and lawful permanent residents.

Note the first 2 words of that section; IN GENERAL. Meaning in most cases. What about the other cases.

I guess it is safe to say that you are BOUGHT & PAID for by BIG BUSINESS as well. I have no problem with investigative journalism, but do some goddamn investigating. Ron Paul had no choice in when we did our MONEY BOMB. We chose that day and if you have a single cell in your brain that is currently functioning properly you would know that this is a metaphor. Guy Fawkes wanted to blow up parliament to restore the power to the people with a real bomb. Because we are Non violent we chose to Blow Up RON PAUL’S Campaign with a “MONEY BOMB” if you will. And obviously that Money bomb worked. It got you and every other paid for corporate puppet up in arms.

When Ron Paul becomes President I personally will present him with the idea of charging anyone who has desecrated the constitution with TREASON.

By the way your article sucked and your opinion isn’t worth the paper you wrote it on.

Have a nice day!!!:)
And remember to donate at www.teaparty07.com

Thank you,
Chris Deal

[DealzOnWheelz]

Bump

[ronpaulitician]

We do need to take our opposition into consideration but not to the point that we allow that to suppress our spirit.

For example, should Paul refuse money from certain individuals because those individuals may hold extreme views?

[DealzOnWheelz]

Hell NO

Look at Hillary accepting money from Corporate Mercinary Companies.

If Ron Paul had to only take money from people that he completely aggreed with he'd have to give me my money back and probably alot of people who are supporters.

Nobody will ever be 100% on the same page.

FUCK THEM CUZ THEY FUCK US

WHATEVER IT TAKES

[dircha]

If we hadn't done what we did, we very likely would still be sitting under $4 million as we speak, in the middle of November, and be left with no chance of financing the media advertising blitz that we must to win.

What's done is done.

There's nothing distasteful about December 16th.

Let's just keep going.

[Conza88]

F--k this and the inclination we need to reduce our symbology for the SAKE of the MSM.

“I will be as harsh as truth, and uncompromising as justice... I am in earnest, I will not equivocate, I will not excuse, I will not retreat a single inch, and I will be heard.” ~ William Lloyd Garrison

“When principles that run against your deepest convictions begin to win the day, then battle is your calling, and peace has become sin; you must, at the price of dearest peace, lay your convictions bare before friend and enemy, with all the fire of your faith.” ~ Abraham Kuyper

If I ever stumble upon Beck in real life, I'm going to peacefully say to him; "f--k you, you demagogue." And keep on walking.

“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.” ~ George Orwell

I have no doubt, Glenn born some years earlier would have been a fken chickhawk just like O'Reilly. Go fight the war, if you love it so much. These people really don't deserve a voice, sure let them speak - to a panel of jurists...

[ValidusCustodiae]

They have been and will continue to equate dissent with disloyalty and even terrorism until they are defeated.

I, for one, am glad the anticipation is over. I knew the day would come that such accusations would be leveled against those that still defend freedom in America. And I'm not surprised some of you are hopping up and down, doom and gloom, on the effects of the moneybomb and the date selection.

Take that energy and apply it to becoming a delegate and encouraging everyone you know that supports Ron Paul to do the same. Otherwise, you have very little room to say what anyone else is doing is hurting the campaign. :D