Public School Indoctrination

[Travlyr]

Stop with the authoritarian crap. If you are a public school teacher, then I'm asking you to stop. Stop drugging our boys with Ritalin. Stop with the sit-down, shut-up, and listen curriculum. Stop with the, "When the bell rings you go somewhere else and hurry" stuff. Stop with the, "if you don't obey authority then you are in trouble mantra." Stop. Please stop. Stop with the prison is good mentality. Stop teaching fear.

Plants are plants. Hemp is a good plant. Industrial hemp, when legal to grow, will help mankind from destroying the environment. Stop spreading, "the environment is going to hell" lies. Industrial hemp is compostable and healing. Let it grow. Help it grow.

Real is real. Stop telling children that government defines money. Sound money is real. Fiat money is fake. Teach that. Teach real is real and fake is fake.

Boys are boys. When a daydreaming boy doesn't listen for an hour and obey you when the bell rings doesn't mean that he is retarded. It means that he doesn't give a damn what you are saying. It is unimportant at the moment. He might be wondering why his dick is hard when the cute girl with boobs talks to him. He might be thinking about how to build a car or truck that outruns Joe's car. Let him think. Teach him to think.

Girls are girls. I'm a boy, so I have no clue about girls. Girls are girls and there are books upon books about them. I don't understand girl books. I don't understand girls but I like em anyway.

Socrates was a conspiracy guy. Teach conspiracy. Teach to ask questions. Question authority. Always ask questions. Always ask questions to learn.

Teach the 4 R's ... Reading, Righting, Rithmetic, and Rhetoric, but please stop teaching that all people of the same age are the same and that they should obey whoever is in charge. The people in charge are just looking for power and money. Stop that.

Some people see the world differently and that's okay. Please stop indoctrinating and start teaching.

[FrankRep]

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Sam Blumenfeld | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
08 February 2011


Charlotte Iserbyt has put her great exposé of the dumbing-down agenda of American education on the Internet, so that anyone can now read it and download it free of charge. The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America is a big book and so very important that anyone interested in the future of this country must read it. I wrote a Foreword for the book that basically explains what Charlotte achieved by her incredible research based on documents she took out of the files of the Department of Education in Washington, where she worked as a Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI) during the first Reagan administration. She is the consummate whistleblower, with an overwhelming sense of responsibility as a public servant and a parent.
...


Full Story:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/reviews/books/6204-the-deliberate-dumbing-down-of-america

[donnay]

http://www.thenewamerican.com/images/stories2011/11aFebruary/dumbing-down.001.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/deliberate-dumbing-down-america-Chronological/dp/0966707109/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1297143672&sr=8-1)


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The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/reviews/books/6204-the-deliberate-dumbing-down-of-america)


Sam Blumenfeld | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
08 February 2011


Charlotte Iserbyt has put her great exposé of the dumbing-down agenda of American education on the Internet, so that anyone can now read it and download it free of charge. The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America is a big book and so very important that anyone interested in the future of this country must read it. I wrote a Foreword for the book that basically explains what Charlotte achieved by her incredible research based on documents she took out of the files of the Department of Education in Washington, where she worked as a Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI) during the first Reagan administration. She is the consummate whistleblower, with an overwhelming sense of responsibility as a public servant and a parent.
...


Full Story:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/reviews/books/6204-the-deliberate-dumbing-down-of-america


Excellent, excellent book! A must read for all people to understand that the schools are failing by design!! +rep

[Phil]

Stop with the authoritarian crap. If you are a public school teacher, then I'm asking you to stop. Stop drugging our boys with Ritalin. Stop with the sit-down, shut-up, and listen curriculum. Stop with the, "When the bell rings you go somewhere else and hurry" stuff. Stop with the, "if you don't obey authority then you are in trouble mantra." Stop. Please stop. Stop with the prison is good mentality. Stop teaching fear.

Plants are plants. Hemp is a good plant. Industrial hemp, when legal to grow, will help mankind from destroying the environment. Stop spreading, "the environment is going to hell" lies. Industrial hemp is compostable and healing. Let it grow. Help it grow.

Real is real. Stop telling children that government defines money. Sound money is real. Fiat money is fake. Teach that. Teach real is real and fake is fake.

Boys are boys. When a daydreaming boy doesn't listen for an hour and obey you when the bell rings doesn't mean that he is retarded. It means that he doesn't give a damn what you are saying. It is unimportant at the moment. He might be wondering why his dick is hard when the cute girl with boobs talks to him. He might be thinking about how to build a car or truck that outruns Joe's car. Let him think. Teach him to think.

Girls are girls. I'm a boy, so I have no clue about girls. Girls are girls and there are books upon books about them. I don't understand girl books. I don't understand girls but I like em anyway.

Socrates was a conspiracy guy. Teach conspiracy. Teach to ask questions. Question authority. Always ask questions. Always ask questions to learn.

Teach the 4 R's ... Reading, Righting, Rithmetic, and Rhetoric, but please stop teaching that all people of the same age are the same and that they should obey whoever is in charge. The people in charge are just looking for power and money. Stop that.

Some people see the world differently and that's okay. Please stop indoctrinating and start teaching.
Public school teachers to do not prescribe or hand out Ritalin to children.

I've never had a class where you had to "sit down, shut up, and listen." Anyone could ask a question or bring up a related topic.

If you're a few minutes late and you're a respectable student, you'll have no trouble. Having a schedule is a good thing.

No teacher has ever told me prison is good.

No one has ever told me hemp is bad.

The environment will be going to hell if we don't eventually change our ways. I.e. Slash & Burn agriculture.

No one has ever taught me that government defines money.

No one has told me Socrates was a conspiracy guy. I was taught that he was a great and important philosopher.

[KCIndy]

Stop with the authoritarian crap. If you are a public school teacher, then I'm asking you to stop. Stop drugging our boys with Ritalin. Stop with the sit-down, shut-up, and listen curriculum. Stop with the, "When the bell rings you go somewhere else and hurry" stuff. Stop with the, "if you don't obey authority then you are in trouble mantra." Stop. Please stop. Stop with the prison is good mentality. Stop teaching fear.



+Rep and very well said. I am in 100% agreement with you.

The problem is, most (around 75-90% depending on location) of the "teachers" in today's public schools are authoritarian statists who think it is their duty to teach kids to view the state as the answer to all of life's problems. Since most of the teachers actually believe this, they push this agenda with unbridled enthusiasm. :(

[Phil]

+Rep and very well said. I am in 100% agreement with you.

The problem is, most (around 75-90% depending on location) of the "teachers" in today's public schools are authoritarian statists who think it is their duty to teach kids to view the state as the answer to all of life's problems. Since most of the teachers actually believe this, they push this agenda with unbridled enthusiasm. :(
Do you have a source or are you just pulling those statistics out of your ass?

[tod evans]

Lowest common denominator.

[KCIndy]

Public school teachers to do not prescribe or hand out Ritalin to children.

I've never had a class where you had to "sit down, shut up, and listen." Anyone could ask a question or bring up a related topic.

If you're a few minutes late and you're a respectable student, you'll have no trouble. Having a schedule is a good thing.

No teacher has ever told me prison is good.

No one has ever told me hemp is bad.

The environment will be going to hell if we don't eventually change our ways. I.e. Slash & Burn agriculture.

No one has ever taught me that government defines money.

No one has told me Socrates was a conspiracy guy. I was taught that he was a great and important philosopher.


LOL! Where the hell did you go to school?

When I was a kid, I was being spoon-fed most of the same drivel that Travlyr was railing against in the first post. I have vivid memories of my first grade teacher extolling the virtues of presidents Kennedy (her view: great war hero who saved his comrades, then united the nation as never before!) and FDR (her view: was the only president to stand up for the common folk and gave us the gifts of Social Security and other government programs which saved millions of lives!)

"Sit down, shut up and listen!" was the standard opening mantra of almost all my grade school teachers. And I remember kids who were stupid enough (in my opinion) to actually ask questions get derided as "dumb" more often than not. I still remember one teacher's favorite saying: "Is your head full of rocks? What's the matter with you?"

Nobody ever taught students *anything* about money, with the possible exception that anyone with too much of it really ought to be taxed by the state, so the state could use it to help the "less fortunate."

This was all in rural Indiana, by the way. And in the 1970s.

In my twelve years of elementary, middle school and high school education, I never - NEVER - encountered a teacher who even once hinted at having a conservative/libertarian/free market belief.

[KCIndy]

Do you have a source or are you just pulling those statistics out of your ass?

I'm pulling them out of my ass, of course. :)

Seriously, I'm using anecdotal evidence based on my own personal experiences, see my post above. I'm allowing for room for error on my guess - and I'll admit it's a guess - that most of the teachers in public school lean left/liberal/statist.

I'll chip in toward a genuine, professional poll if anyone wants to hire Zogby or someone to do it for real. It would be an interesting experiment.

[Phil]

LOL! Where the hell did you go to school?

When I was a kid, I was being spoon-fed most of the same drivel that Travlyr was railing against in the first post. I have vivid memories of my first grade teacher extolling the virtues of presidents Kennedy (her view: great war hero who saved his comrades, then united the nation as never before!) and FDR (her view: was the only president to stand up for the common folk and gave us the gifts of Social Security and other government programs which saved millions of lives!)

"Sit down, shut up and listen!" was the standard opening mantra of almost all my grade school teachers. And I remember kids who were stupid enough (in my opinion) to actually ask questions get derided as "dumb" more often than not. I still remember one teacher's favorite saying: "Is your head full of rocks? What's the matter with you?"

Nobody ever taught students *anything* about money, with the possible exception that anyone with too much of it really ought to be taxed by the state, so the state could use it to help the "less fortunate."

This was all in rural Indiana, by the way. And in the 1970s.

In my twelve years of elementary, middle school and high school education, I never - NEVER - encountered a teacher who even once hinted at having a conservative/libertarian/free market belief.
Graduated from high school in 2011 in a small town in Massachusetts. The high school is a regional school shared with two towns and has around 1200 or so students.

A huge majority of my teachers encouraged questions. A few of my teachers I could tell shared the libertarian philosophy. My freshman year history teacher was a Ron Paul guy.

[phill4paul]

I have vivid memories of my first grade teacher extolling the virtues of presidents Kennedy (her view: great war hero who saved his comrades, then united the nation as never before!)

John F. Kennedy at 9:46....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmLqTTtxLJA


Luckily, for myself, I spent two years in private school (8 and 9th). This pretty much allowed me to sail through public as the things we were covering in 9th weren't covered until 12th in public school.

[KingNothing]

Do you have a source or are you just pulling those statistics out of your ass?

I believe I've had far more good teachers than bad. Every one of them that stands out from high school or college taught critical thinking and had, for the most part, anti-authoritarian streaks running through them.

People love to trash teachers and schooling, and it might be completely warranted. But in my very limited, anecdotal experience, it isn't.

[Travlyr]

Public school teachers to do not prescribe or hand out Ritalin to children.
My grandson had to accept Ritalin doses to keep going to the school he is forced by law to go. Now he gets good grades. Is that an accident?



I've never had a class where you had to "sit down, shut up, and listen." Anyone could ask a question or bring up a related topic.
Come on? Be honest.



If you're a few minutes late and you're a respectable student, you'll have no trouble.
And if you are different, then should you be unqualified to have a job, own a home, or a car?



Having a schedule is a good thing.
For people on a schedule, yes. For others... it is okay to be different. They still qualify for life.



No teacher has ever told me prison is good.
Public schools are prison. Required, fenced, and guarded.



No one has ever told me hemp is bad.
Hemp is illegal. Illegal go grow or possess. A lot of people are shunned or caged because they tried to use the most green plant on Earth. If no one has ever told you hemp is bad, then where do you live? Why are people caged for growing it?



The environment will be going to hell if we don't eventually change our ways. I.e. Slash & Burn agriculture.
Industrial hemp needs no pesticides, insecticides, or chemical fertilizers. The roots stabilize the soil against erosion. The plants encourage pollination by bees. The plant replenishes the soil with nutrients. Hemp provides humanity with important medicinal, industrial, and commercial goods. It is illegal to grow or possess by the Slash and Burn authorities.



No one has ever taught me that government defines money.
Government defines money. Legal tender laws.



No one has told me Socrates was a conspiracy guy. I was taught that he was a great and important philosopher.
He was a great and important philosopher. He questioned everything. Today, if you question your government, or if you question authority, or if you question TV, then one is labeled as a conspiracy nutjob. Does fire really cause concrete and steel high rise buildings to collapse at free fall speed?

[Black Flag]

Public school teachers to do not prescribe or hand out Ritalin to children.

They make recommendations -and report parents to Social Services should parents resist said recommendations.



I've never had a class where you had to "sit down, shut up, and listen." Anyone could ask a question or bring up a related topic.

You should buy a lottery ticket as you are so lucky.



If you're a few minutes late and you're a respectable student, you'll have no trouble. Having a schedule is a good thing.

Kiss ass of the teacher and you get chits - which you can then trade for punishment avoidance.




No teacher has ever told me prison is good.


The threat of imprisonment is a powerful tool to keep the People self-enslaved.




The environment will be going to hell if we don't eventually change our ways. I.e. Slash & Burn agriculture.

No, it won't.

You obviously have no concept of how large and significant the "Earth" is, and how utterly puny mankind is.

We affect our own human environment - we do it to ourselves - but as far as Mother Nature .... only the utterly mindless believe we "harm her".



No one has ever taught me that government defines money.

Economic text books define money.

Government manufactures money.


No one has told me Socrates was a conspiracy guy. I was taught that he was a great and important philosopher.

He absolutely was a conspiracy guy.
Unable to shut him up, the elite trumped up a new crime, charged him with it, convicted him with it, and proscribed the death penalty.

Obviously, you did not pay attention

[Son of Detroit]

I eventually want to become a teacher. Hopefully after about 15-20 years as a lawyer I'll get my teaching certificate and teach social studies at a high school. Would like to coach baseball as well.

I've had some good teachers who really influenced my life, as well as some terrible ones. I want to be one of those great ones who also takes a teaching spot away from a terrible one.

[Black Flag]

The Public School system is the primary and most vital tool used to maintain the Status Quo.

The anecdotal comments of the evils of such system are --by far-- the most appropriate demonstration of this, as this has been the stated goal of the Public School System since its introduction in the late 1800's.

The anecdotal comments that describe alternatives to these dominate demonstrations are, indeed, the rarity and are NOT the norm as they are counter to the stated goals of the Public School System

No doubt there are many successful people who have "successful" and fulfilling schooling careers.

However, this does not detract one iota the general purpose of the schooling system, but merely offers a demonstration that in all human endeavors, there are exceptions that fall away from the norm.

[phill4paul]

I eventually want to become a teacher. Hopefully after about 15-20 years as a lawyer I'll get my teaching certificate and teach social studies at a high school. Would like to coach baseball as well.

I've had some good teachers who really influenced my life, as well as some terrible ones. I want to be one of those great ones who also takes a teaching spot away from a terrible one.

Wish you'd stay in lawyering. The liberty movement is in need of good ones. But, I understand if you feel a need to move on. My social studies teachers in private school were some of the best and really got me to challenge the 'written' history of our nation.

[pcosmar]

For your consideration,,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=okPnDZ1Txlo

[pcosmar]

My grandson had to accept Ritalin doses to keep going to the school he is forced by law to go. Now he gets good grades. Is that an accident?



The drugging of kids, especially in schools is a whole nother, but related issue.

[Travlyr]

For your consideration,,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=okPnDZ1Txlo
That's it in a nutshell.

[Wesker1982]

My grandson had to accept Ritalin doses to keep going to the school he is forced by law to go. Now he gets good grades. Is that an accident?

Why can't he be homeschooled?

[talkingpointes]

If there is anyone with questions on whether teachers become involved in childrens lives when they believe they "need medication", question not.(for I come bearing and an anecdote for your immediate consumption!) I have heard so many adults while growing up telling me how childhood then teenage years are the best part of your life, not for me. From the time I was in elementary I was sort of a wild child and always loved to have fun, be happy and joke around.(must of been the only one) But two teachers in particular (3rd, and 4th grade -both single w/o kids) in my honors type classes made it an imperative for my parents to take me to a psychiatrist for an evaluation. I can assure you nothing is more humiliating than a teacher constantly insulting you and asking "did you take your crazy meds today, or do we need to put you in another room till you run out of steam." My parents initially tried to be hands off, but the teachers tried to levy the school administration to call and check-in on my "progress". Pretty soon I found myself in a room with a Dr. Bowser, and an hour later my first two meds were Zoloft and Cylert. I actually took them for about two weeks and letting my teachers know as well. Initially I wanted to please them, but that soon dissipated along with their ability to control the class.

My parents eventually gave in to me, I told them my grades are good and above all I am good. But that wouldn't be over till we tried all the following: Wellbutrin, Ritalin, Adderal, and btw they took me off the cylert almost immediately - something about health complications with the liver I think. Since I was young I have always resisted control, believing that in affect we should only listen to those we respect. Teachers assumed because of their positions they were the authority, which was something I only challenged because they never respected me. I dropped out of HS at 16 with a great job and got my GED.

[Wesker1982]

I would have known something was up when I walked into the doctor's office and saw

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/17166/1624833-itadakibowser_large.png

[Anti Federalist]

Best post I've seen around here in a while.

+rep


Stop with the authoritarian crap. If you are a public school teacher, then I'm asking you to stop. Stop drugging our boys with Ritalin. Stop with the sit-down, shut-up, and listen curriculum. Stop with the, "When the bell rings you go somewhere else and hurry" stuff. Stop with the, "if you don't obey authority then you are in trouble mantra." Stop. Please stop. Stop with the prison is good mentality. Stop teaching fear.

Plants are plants. Hemp is a good plant. Industrial hemp, when legal to grow, will help mankind from destroying the environment. Stop spreading, "the environment is going to hell" lies. Industrial hemp is compostable and healing. Let it grow. Help it grow.

Real is real. Stop telling children that government defines money. Sound money is real. Fiat money is fake. Teach that. Teach real is real and fake is fake.

Boys are boys. When a daydreaming boy doesn't listen for an hour and obey you when the bell rings doesn't mean that he is retarded. It means that he doesn't give a damn what you are saying. It is unimportant at the moment. He might be wondering why his dick is hard when the cute girl with boobs talks to him. He might be thinking about how to build a car or truck that outruns Joe's car. Let him think. Teach him to think.

Girls are girls. I'm a boy, so I have no clue about girls. Girls are girls and there are books upon books about them. I don't understand girl books. I don't understand girls but I like em anyway.

Socrates was a conspiracy guy. Teach conspiracy. Teach to ask questions. Question authority. Always ask questions. Always ask questions to learn.

Teach the 4 R's ... Reading, Righting, Rithmetic, and Rhetoric, but please stop teaching that all people of the same age are the same and that they should obey whoever is in charge. The people in charge are just looking for power and money. Stop that.

Some people see the world differently and that's okay. Please stop indoctrinating and start teaching.

[John F Kennedy III]

If i ever have kids they will be homeschooled. Period.

[Anti Federalist]

For further consideration.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qGbwnaCnHWs

[donnay]

If there is anyone with questions on whether teachers become involved in childrens lives when they believe they "need medication", question not.(for I come bearing and an anecdote for your immediate consumption!) I have heard so many adults while growing up telling me how childhood then teenage years are the best part of your life, not for me. From the time I was in elementary I was sort of a wild child and always loved to have fun, be happy and joke around.(must of been the only one) But two teachers in particular (3rd, and 4th grade -both single w/o kids) in my honors type classes made it an imperative for my parents to take me to a psychiatrist for an evaluation. I can assure you nothing is more humiliating than a teacher constantly insulting you and asking "did you take your crazy meds today, or do we need to put you in another room till you run out of steam." My parents initially tried to be hands off, but the teachers tried to levy the school administration to call and check-in on my "progress". Pretty soon I found myself in a room with a Dr. Bowser, and an hour later my first two meds were Zoloft and Cylert. I actually took them for about two weeks and letting my teachers know as well. Initially I wanted to please them, but that soon dissipated along with their ability to control the class.

My parents eventually gave in to me, I told them my grades are good and above all I am good. But that wouldn't be over till we tried all the following: Wellbutrin, Ritalin, Adderal, and btw they took me off the cylert almost immediately - something about health complications with the liver I think. Since I was young I have always resisted control, believing that in affect we should only listen to those we respect. Teachers assumed because of their positions they were the authority, which was something I only challenged because they never respected me. I dropped out of HS at 16 with a great job and got my GED.

Your story unfortunately is one of many. You are very fortunate to be with us to tell your story. It is truly disgusting how the children are drugged in this country. Did you know that schools receive additional money from state and federal government for every child that they have on medications. It behooves the school to try to get as many children as they can on these drugs in order to receive their funding. Most of these conditions, ADD or ADHD can be corrected by diet and nutrition--but they won't tell you that, because that would cut off their funds!!

I think more parents who are backed against the wall, need to do their own research and to resist these accusations by asking the teacher(s) when did they get their medical degrees? I did!

Ritalin has been studied in independent studies and shown that it is the equivalent to cocaine.

Here is a good website for people to look at: Children are dying from ADHD Drugs (http://www.ritalindeath.com/)

[emazur]

In our dreams...people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands. The present educational conventions [intellectual and character education] fade from our minds, and unhampered by tradition we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or men of science. We have not to raise up from among them authors, educators, poets or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians, nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we have ample supply. The task we set before ourselves is very simple...we will organize children...and teach them to do in a perfect way the things their fathers and mothers are doing in an imperfect way.
General Education Board, Occasional Letter Number One (1906) (http://johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/2i.htm)

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn/200909/why-don-t-students-school-well-duhhhh

The only difference I can think of is that to get into prison you have to commit a crime, but they put you in school just because of your age. In other respects school and prison are the same. In both places you are stripped of your freedom and dignity. You are told exactly what you must do, and you are punished for failing to comply. Actually, in school you must spend more time doing exactly what you are told to do than is true in adult prisons, so in that sense school is worse than prison.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_mD8GKn4ls


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8cr0p9HaG8

[Anti Federalist]

The only difference I can think of is that to get into prison you have to commit a crime, but they put you in school just because of your age. In other respects school and prison are the same. In both places you are stripped of your freedom and dignity. You are told exactly what you must do, and you are punished for failing to comply. Actually, in school you must spend more time doing exactly what you are told to do than is true in adult prisons, so in that sense school is worse than prison




+rep

[tttppp]

Graduated from high school in 2011 in a small town in Massachusetts. The high school is a regional school shared with two towns and has around 1200 or so students.

A huge majority of my teachers encouraged questions. A few of my teachers I could tell shared the libertarian philosophy. My freshman year history teacher was a Ron Paul guy.

Most my teachers or professors seemed to belong to the democratic communist party. The only free market person was my college economics professor who taught the theory behind free market economics. None of my other teachers or professors knew anything about free markets.

[Anti Federalist]

Graduated from high school in 2011 in a small town in Massachusetts. The high school is a regional school shared with two towns and has around 1200 or so students.

A huge majority of my teachers encouraged questions. A few of my teachers I could tell shared the libertarian philosophy. My freshman year history teacher was a Ron Paul guy.

I would suggest that you got very lucky, and that your experience was the exception and not the rule.

[NewRightLibertarian]

I would suggest that you got very lucky, and that your experience was the exception and not the rule.

Lots of people have a hard time accepting that their educational experience was total crap for some reason. Probably a result of the indoctrination that occurred.

I went to a Catholic school and had a guy repeatedly warn us of the upcoming New World Order so I can't complain too much about my education even though I learned a lot of evil, statist nonsense too like how great all of these wars our country have waged were.

[tttppp]

Lots of people have a hard time accepting that their educational experience was total crap for some reason. Probably a result of the indoctrination that occurred.

I went to a Catholic school and had a guy repeatedly warn us of the upcoming New World Order so I can't complain too much about my education even though I learned a lot of evil, statist nonsense too like how great all of these wars our country have waged were.

According to our school system, every president was great, and every war except for Vietnam was justified.

[donnay]

According to our school system, every president was great, and every war except for Vietnam was justified.

“History is written by the victors.”
~Winston Churchill

[donnay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEQCJtfENAc

[Anti Federalist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEQCJtfENAc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHC94ubuTEM&feature=related

[Tudo]

When I was physically located in Saigon ( yup that one ) I ran help wanted ads and had a number of seemingly qualified applicants who would all show up for there interviews with this large file of achievements, like a resume' but even more indepth. They would proudly proclaim on there applications they received a "level A" in english and therefore would perfect for job be. Yup.

I would give them 1 or 2 questions, 1) Tell me about yourself in english being a good one in which I would watch them stumble and mutter really not knowing how to answer. But symbolically they appeared to be ready to start that day when the reality of it was they were more or less clueless. But they were humble and eager as heck to learn and would be loyal all for $300 per month salary. Similar here? Hmmm, $1600-$2000 + taxes and liabilities among other things.

Yup, it's all going to be globally equalized. If your financial future depends in any way on being protected from someone overseas doing the same job as you do, or close enough for 1/10th what you NEED to do it for you better focus on having an understanding of these things or deal with someone you can really and truly trust to help you save for that future which already started when you woke up today:) No, they don't teach that in school, they teach the opposite they teach dependence and ignorance. It's ani indoctrination and the parents for the most part are not part of the solution.

Notice how those "students" got press for rioting ? Pretty amazing stuff. Lowlife's who really should be caught and forced to pay for that get the press while tens of thousands of other students attend Ron Paul rally's to hear more about the constitution, liberty, sound money, get ignored almost totally and there's many a message board that have moderators who seem to be ok with anti Ron Paul posters to say just about anything they want ( look at kitco ) while pro Paul need to be careful what they say, make sure you never REALLY defend RP.

Whew

[heavenlyboy34]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEQCJtfENAc +rep :cool:

[bolil]

Public school teachers to do not prescribe or hand out Ritalin to children.

I've never had a class where you had to "sit down, shut up, and listen." Anyone could ask a question or bring up a related topic.

If you're a few minutes late and you're a respectable student, you'll have no trouble. Having a schedule is a good thing.

No teacher has ever told me prison is good.

No one has ever told me hemp is bad.

The environment will be going to hell if we don't eventually change our ways. I.e. Slash & Burn agriculture.

No one has ever taught me that government defines money.

No one has told me Socrates was a conspiracy guy. I was taught that he was a great and important philosopher.

Public School teachers attend seminars, that are funded by pHARMa on how to "identify" a potential ADD... err victim? Teachers, almost without exception, are the initiators of an ADD/ADHD diagnoses. There are no long term studies for the affects of the drugs. Adderall had 7 week trial before given clearance by the FDA.

[Phil]

Public School teachers attend seminars, that are funded by pHARMa on how to "identify" a potential ADD... err victim? Teachers, almost without exception, are the initiators of an ADD/ADHD diagnoses.
Don't really see the problem..

[Anti Federalist]

Wish you'd stay in lawyering. The liberty movement is in need of good ones. But, I understand if you feel a need to move on. My social studies teachers in private school were some of the best and really got me to challenge the 'written' history of our nation.

(chuckles)

He will.

If I recall correctly, right now, SoD is about 18 years old, maybe 19.

[pcosmar]

I believe I've had far more good teachers than bad. Every one of them that stands out from high school or college taught critical thinking and had, for the most part, anti-authoritarian streaks running through them.

People love to trash teachers and schooling, and it might be completely warranted. But in my very limited, anecdotal experience, it isn't.

I don't think people are trashing teachers. The schooling and the system, yes.
There will always be a need for teachers. and education.

Just not the public school system that currently exists.

[phill4paul]

(chuckles)

He will.

If I recall correctly, right now, SoD is about 18 years old, maybe 19.

Lol. OK, I see know.

[phill4paul]

I don't think people are trashing teachers. The schooling and the system, yes.
There will always be a need for teachers. and education.

Just not the public school system that currently exists.

I don't think most teachers can grasp this fact. Much like soldiers who think some might be criticizing them for our criticism of foreign policy. Even though I have explained myself time and again to my academic friends. No matter how I try to frame it in terms that should be well understood there is a cognitive dissonance that deafens their ears.

[heavenlyboy34]

I don't think most teachers can grasp this fact. Much like soldiers who think some might be criticizing them for our criticism of foreign policy. Even though I have explained myself time and again to my academic friends. No matter how I try to frame it in terms that should be well understood there is a cognitive dissonance that deafens their ears.
Some of us do-though impersonally (that is, we oppose standing armies in general-as many of the founding generation did)

[phill4paul]

Some of us do-though impersonally (that is, we oppose standing armies in general-as many of the founding generation did)

Yeah, I'm not disputing that hb.

[noneedtoaggress]

If there is anyone with questions on whether teachers become involved in childrens lives when they believe they "need medication", question not.(for I come bearing and an anecdote for your immediate consumption!) I have heard so many adults while growing up telling me how childhood then teenage years are the best part of your life, not for me. From the time I was in elementary I was sort of a wild child and always loved to have fun, be happy and joke around.(must of been the only one) But two teachers in particular (3rd, and 4th grade -both single w/o kids) in my honors type classes made it an imperative for my parents to take me to a psychiatrist for an evaluation. I can assure you nothing is more humiliating than a teacher constantly insulting you and asking "did you take your crazy meds today, or do we need to put you in another room till you run out of steam." My parents initially tried to be hands off, but the teachers tried to levy the school administration to call and check-in on my "progress". Pretty soon I found myself in a room with a Dr. Bowser, and an hour later my first two meds were Zoloft and Cylert. I actually took them for about two weeks and letting my teachers know as well. Initially I wanted to please them, but that soon dissipated along with their ability to control the class.

My parents eventually gave in to me, I told them my grades are good and above all I am good. But that wouldn't be over till we tried all the following: Wellbutrin, Ritalin, Adderal, and btw they took me off the cylert almost immediately - something about health complications with the liver I think. Since I was young I have always resisted control, believing that in affect we should only listen to those we respect. Teachers assumed because of their positions they were the authority, which was something I only challenged because they never respected me. I dropped out of HS at 16 with a great job and got my GED.

Kinda reminded me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loYWDoTE0FI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF_nDI33n3g&feature=relmfu

Recording Catches Teachers Mistreating Special Needs Student (http://abcnews.go.com/US/recording-catches-alabama-teachers-mistreating-special-student/story?id=16033225#.T3jiEqvy98F)

[talkingpointes]

Kinda reminded me of this:[/url]

Your disturbing the educational process! Insubordination! Daydreamer! One thing I never heard was, "If you think your so smart why don't you teach the class." I never wanted to be rude but damn, some of the shit said sometimes would make your head explode, all you want to do is help by correcting them. I imagine it's a lot like bringing food to a honey badger.

[noneedtoaggress]

Your disturbing the educational process! Insubordination! Daydreamer! One thing I never heard was, "If you think your so smart why don't you teach the class." I never wanted to be rude but damn, some of the shit said sometimes would make your head explode, all you want to do is help by correcting them. I imagine it's a lot like bringing food to a honey badger.

Haha, reminds me of this, no one knows if it's really authentic or not but it's a good laugh either way:

http://www.jumbojoke.com/images/teacher-note.jpg

[Travlyr]

For further consideration.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qGbwnaCnHWs

Wow. Great story. People are standing up to the machine.

[Anti Federalist]

Wow. Great story. People are standing up to the machine.

That woman had God himself watching out for her that day and "stones" the size of bowling balls.

[Travlyr]

I believe I've had far more good teachers than bad. Every one of them that stands out from high school or college taught critical thinking and had, for the most part, anti-authoritarian streaks running through them.

People love to trash teachers and schooling, and it might be completely warranted. But in my very limited, anecdotal experience, it isn't.
It was not the teachers that were trashed. I asked them to stop with Pavlov training and stop giving drugs to kids to make conform and obey. I asked them to teach rather than train. Don't you ever wonder why they did not teach you that the Federal Reserve System is a counterfeiting ring of criminals? Or did they? They taught me Keynesian economics and not one word about honest sound money. Did they teach you that governments create paper money in order to pay for wars? They taught me that paper money is to be administered by government and that is the way the world is supposed to work. Did they teach you to sit quietly for an hour and listen to authority? Did they train you to get up when the bell rings that you are done with that task and you must go do something else until the bell rings again? That is indoctrination not education.

[Travlyr]

One other point I made, King Nothing, that should be reiterated. Industrial hemp makes high quality Earth friendly sustainable products. They put people in jail for growing, using, or possessing it. Did your teachers tell you the truth about industrial hemp? Do you know why it is illegal to grow in America?

[NewRightLibertarian]

One other point I made, King Nothing, that should be reiterated. Industrial hemp makes high quality Earth friendly sustainable products. They put people in jail for growing, using, or possessing it. Did your teachers tell you the truth about industrial hemp? Do you know why it is illegal to grow in America?

My school had cops come in and indoctrinate us to hate and stereotype and look down on marijuana users. What a great 'education' I received :rolleyes:

[heavenlyboy34]

My school had cops come in and indoctrinate us to hate and stereotype and look down on marijuana users. What a great 'education' I received :rolleyes:
Ah, you were part of the D.A.R.E. program too, eh? :p

[azxd]

When I was physically located in Saigon ( yup that one ) I ran help wanted ads and had a number of seemingly qualified applicants who would all show up for there interviews with this large file of achievements, like a resume' but even more indepth. They would proudly proclaim on there applications they received a "level A" in english and therefore would perfect for job be. Yup.

I would give them 1 or 2 questions, 1) Tell me about yourself in english being a good one in which I would watch them stumble and mutter really not knowing how to answer. But symbolically they appeared to be ready to start that day when the reality of it was they were more or less clueless. But they were humble and eager as heck to learn and would be loyal all for $300 per month salary. Similar here? Hmmm, $1600-$2000 + taxes and liabilities among other things.

Yup, it's all going to be globally equalized. If your financial future depends in any way on being protected from someone overseas doing the same job as you do, or close enough for 1/10th what you NEED to do it for you better focus on having an understanding of these things or deal with someone you can really and truly trust to help you save for that future which already started when you woke up today:) No, they don't teach that in school, they teach the opposite they teach dependence and ignorance. It's ani indoctrination and the parents for the most part are not part of the solution.

Notice how those "students" got press for rioting ? Pretty amazing stuff. Lowlife's who really should be caught and forced to pay for that get the press while tens of thousands of other students attend Ron Paul rally's to hear more about the constitution, liberty, sound money, get ignored almost totally and there's many a message board that have moderators who seem to be ok with anti Ron Paul posters to say just about anything they want ( look at kitco ) while pro Paul need to be careful what they say, make sure you never REALLY defend RP.

WhewBased on how you wrote this, I would not hire you :D

[azxd]

All this, and nothing about the 10 Planks (http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html)

[Travlyr]

All this, and nothing about the 10 Planks (http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html)

That is a very good point. Karl Marx understood the power of mass indoctrination. Public schooling is one of the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto.


10. "Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Americans are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, but are actually "government force-tax-funded schools " Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like "majority rules", and "pay your fair share". WHERE are the words "fair share" in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is "fair share" even suggested !! The philosophical concept of "fair share" comes from the Communist maxim, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism. ... America was made the greatest society by its private initiative WORK ETHIC ... Teaching ourselves and others how to "fish" to be self sufficient and produce plenty of EXTRA commodities to if so desired could be shared with others who might be "needy"... Americans have always voluntarily been the MOST generous and charitable society on the planet."