Santorum to Washington State supporters: Team up with Ron Paul supporters

[PatriotOne]

Seattle Times

March 30, 2012 at 6:10 PM

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politicsnorthwest/2017877068_republican_delegate_feud_santo.html

GOP feud: Santorum and Paul supporters team up to scuttle Romney

Posted by Jim Brunner

Mitt Romney won the straw poll at Washington's precinct caucuses March 3, but the fight over who will claim the state's 43 delegates to the Republican national convention is ongoing.

The latest twist: Rick Santorum's campaign is teaming up with Ron Paul supporters in an effort to deny Romney delegates, apparently at the direction of Santorum himself.

The strategy has alarmed some top GOP officials who fear it will crack party unity and lead to a nasty scene at the state convention in a couple months. It has also angered some grassroots Santorum supporters.

In an email to Santorum supporters Thursday, state volunteer coordinator Graden Neal laid out the plan:

"Last night, the Washington State Rick Santorum leadership had a conference call with a special guest, the Senator himself. We were surprised and honored that Rick Santorum himself came on our call to help give us direction. And the Senator didn't mince words. In order for us to win the nomination in Tampa in August, we must deny Romney delegates to that convention. If the frontrunner, Romney receives 1,144 delegates before the national convention, it is all over for our campaign. That is the reason why the Senator himself directed us to coalition with the Ron Paul delegates to deny Romney any state delegates." [Emphasis added]

Neal confirmed the message in a phone interview, and acknowledged the effort has split Santorum's supporters here. Neal said the alliance is showing a measure of success, but acknowledged some Santorum backers are not happy with the strategy.

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[CTRattlesnake]

Good, hopefully we can shut out the mitt.

[Blue]

Well now this idiot can stop complaining when Mitt and Ron supporters join forces to shut him out.

[PolicyReader]

Good, hopefully we can shut out the mitt.
I second the motion.

[kathy88]

Well now this idiot can stop complaining when Mitt and Ron supporters join forces to shut him out.

Until the next time we do it :)

[parocks]

Well now this idiot can stop complaining when Mitt and Ron supporters join forces to shut him out.

Santorum is smarter than you are.

[Blue]

Santorum is smarter than you are.

Other than the people who have voted for him, nobody has a lower intelligence level than Santorum. So you're wrong.


Or you're an ex-Santorum supporter.

[kathy88]

Other than the people who have voted for him, nobody has a lower intelligence level than Santorum. So you're wrong.


Or you're an ex-Santorum supporter.

Or a current Santorum supporter.

[Deborah K]

ugghhhh....after seeing this clip of his seeming freudian slip - I dunno if we should be associating with him or his supporters:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IgrhJSAaYIc

[Blue]

Or a current Santorum supporter.

Wouldn't be surprised. I've seen a few RPF members who are closet Santorum supporters. Makes me sick.

[Okie RP fan]

If it isn't too late, then we play their game and push Paul AND Santorum against Romney. We need to keep our eyes on the prize and realize a contested convention is our goal and Romney is standing in our way.

And we don't necessarily need to "team" with them, as much as we need to push all of Romney's negatives and offer two choices for people: Paul or Santorum.

[Bouleuterion]

I am in Washington and I was appalled that Santorum people were coming to our training and asking Ron Paul delegates to vote for Santorum Delegates. Especially when we had the clear majority.

[kathy88]

I am in Washington and I was appalled that Santorum people were coming to our training and asking Ron Paul delegates to vote for Santorum Delegates. Especially when we had the clear majority.

But Saint Rick of Tarsis asked them to...

Bottom line, if we don't need them don't do it, if we do, do. Should be decided on a case by case, no blanket agreement. WE hold the card on this one.

[libertygrl]

Wouldn't be surprised. I've seen a few RPF members who are closet Santorum supporters. Makes me sick.

WTF? How does that mak any sense? It's like 2 polar opposites.

[parocks]

Other than the people who have voted for him, nobody has a lower intelligence level than Santorum. So you're wrong.


Or you're an ex-Santorum supporter.


You don't get Romney <1144. Santorum does. If Romney gets 1144 - WE DON'T WIN. Duh!

Santorum gets this. You don't.

Romney is also worse than Santorum. Goldman Sachs (bad guy) is the top contributor to Romney. Rabbi Dov Zacheim (bad guy) is an advisor to Romney.
The msm (bad guy) is for Romney. All the bad guys are for Romney.

[sailingaway]

If it isn't too late, then we play their game and push Paul AND Santorum against Romney. We need to keep our eyes on the prize and realize a contested convention is our goal and Romney is standing in our way.

And we don't necessarily need to "team" with them, as much as we need to push all of Romney's negatives and offer two choices for people: Paul or Santorum.

the calculation is different state to state. We are free agents, but as you see with Romney in MO vs Romney in ND, so are they working for their own interest in each state.

[parocks]

Or a current Santorum supporter.

You don't understand that it's much worse for Romney to get a delegate than Santorum to get a delegate.

Try to understand Romney <1144. Just try.

If Romney gets 1144, it's "go home" time. We lose.

Romney is worse than Santorum, btw. All of our enemies are 100% behind Romney, not Santorum.

[sailingaway]

I am in Washington and I was appalled that Santorum people were coming to our training and asking Ron Paul delegates to vote for Santorum Delegates. Especially when we had the clear majority.

I don't know if the campaign has a caucus by caucus strategy or an overall state idea with the Santorum team. In Mo it was caucus by caucus, sometimes Romney teamed with Santa to block us. But at the moment it sounds like not all Santa's camp is on board and if that is the case, you don't want to give them 'extra' slots and not have them reciprocate. If the campaign gives you a lead that is one thing, but otherwise if their is a deal, better to give them their 'extra's at the last step when we are sure we got ours state wide on the mixed slate. Assuming that kind of a deal exists and as I said, Santa's people are quoted as not being unified.

[sailingaway]

You don't understand that it's much worse for Romney to get a delegate than Santorum to get a delegate.

Try to understand Romney <1144. Just try.

If Romney gets 1144, it's "go home" time. We lose.

Romney is worse than Santorum, btw. All of our enemies are 100% behind Romney, not Santorum.

I disagree that Romney is worse than Santorum/ Santorum thought his JOB was to deliver for lobbyists and set up pairings in the senate pairing senators with lobbyists. His last year he got more money from lobbyists than anyone else in Congress. He votes for everything we hate, from 'preventative war' to the Patriot Act (I'm sure he'd have voted for NDAA) to huge boondoggle government largess to corporations.

But on the other hand, Romney is owned by the banks.

So I'm not for either, I'm for maximizing Ron's leverage and at this point <1144 is a point, all else being equal. And by all else, I mean I want Ron to have 5 states by plurality, because he and we are the ones first shafted in any deal, and I don't want him to have to NEGOTIATE for a place at the table at convention.

[Jarg]

I rather paul team up then let rommney win this way rommney has less delegates and more of chance for paul to win.

[LibertyEagle]

Romney is worse than Santorum, btw. All of our enemies are 100% behind Romney, not Santorum.

What you don't seem to understand is that they stacked the deck. While they may very well prefer Romney, and I agree that they do, they would be happy to take Santorum or Gingrich too. All 3 of them are peas in a pod, along with Obama.

[parocks]

Rabbi Dov Zakheim (Romney advisor) links:

Dov Zakheim: Mitt Romney Will Restore Our Military
http://www.mittromney.com/news/press/2011/11/dov-zakheim-mitt-romney-will-restore-our-military

Dov Zakheim 9 11 Mastermind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNQTG8B6hw


Missing Trillions
Rumsfeld Buries Admission of Missing 2+ Trillion Dollars in 9/10/01 Press Conference
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/trillions.html

[Xenophage]

this alliance is working in some counties but it is tenuous at best here in clark county

[sailingaway]

this alliance is working in some counties but it is tenuous at best here in clark county

that's why we can't give the store away in places we can get full slates until we know what happens in Clark, but that is today, right?

[sailingaway]

One of the articles on this said Santorum described a 'greenpapers' article on blocking Romney from getting 1144 to his supporters and staff. This must be what he was referring to: http://www.thegreenpapers.com/PCom/?20120330-0

[parocks]

What you don't seem to understand is that they stacked the deck. While they may very well prefer Romney, and I agree that they do, they would be happy to take Santorum or Gingrich too. All 3 of them are peas in a pod, along with Obama.

Disagree.

Compared to Ron Paul, yes, everybody else is the same.

But when we're comparing Romney to Santorum, they aren't the same. There are differences. The easiest thing is to see who the bad guys support. They don't support Santorum, they support Romney. And the easiest thing to do is to not support, to fight against, the guy who the worst people, our enemies, are supporting. And our enemies are supporting Romney.

Santorum is not supported by the global elites, and it's likely that they don't know enough about him to be secure. The global elites do not like Ron Paul one bit. And the global elites want Romney.

[sailingaway]

Disagree.

Compared to Ron Paul, yes, everybody else is the same.

But when we're comparing Romney to Santorum, they aren't the same. There are differences. The easiest thing is to see who the bad guys support. They don't support Santorum, they support Romney. And the easiest thing to do is to not support, to fight against, the guy who the worst people, our enemies, are supporting. And our enemies are supporting Romney.

Santorum is not supported by the global elites, and it's likely that they don't know enough about him to be secure. The global elites do not like Ron Paul one bit. And the global elites want Romney.

goldman sachs is giving to both now I understand. Which bad guy isn't supporting Santorum, more than just in a bandwagon fashion because Romney is in the lead?

[parocks]

One of the articles on this said Santorum described a 'greenpapers' article on blocking Romney from getting 1144 to his supporters and staff. This must be what he was referring to: http://www.thegreenpapers.com/PCom/?20120330-0

Santorum seems to have a better idea about how to proceed than most of us do. It's really really simple, you seem to get it. Either Romney <1144 or game over.

[PatriotOne]

Rabbi Dov Zakheim (Romney advisor)


whoa! I did not know Zakheim was a Romney advisor!

[ProBlue33]

Sure this works but only if Ron Paul gets ALL the delegates, them offering a 50/50 split is no good, they want to deny Romney great, give them ALL to Ron Paul.
Mission accomplished for both teams.
We badly need a majority in five states and they need to understand that, they already have this, we don't.

[LibertyEagle]

Disagree.

Compared to Ron Paul, yes, everybody else is the same.

But when we're comparing Romney to Santorum, they aren't the same. There are differences. The easiest thing is to see who the bad guys support. They don't support Santorum, they support Romney. And the easiest thing to do is to not support, to fight against, the guy who the worst people, our enemies, are supporting. And our enemies are supporting Romney.

Santorum is not supported by the global elites, and it's likely that they don't know enough about him to be secure. The global elites do not like Ron Paul one bit. And the global elites want Romney.

They would switch to Santorum in a heartbeat. You must know that Santorum and Gingrich are corrupt as hell and for sale to the highest bidder. I agree with you that we have to keep any one of the 3 from getting the delegates to get the nomination, but that's where our agreement stops. All 3 of these people are globalists and have no allegiance to our Constitution at all. They have all proven that. You almost sound like you are willing to vote for what you believe to be the lesser of 2 evils. Might I remind you that this is how we got in this mess?

No, the deck has been stacked in presidential races for a very long time. The bad guys may have a preference, sure, but they own all of them. They never expected someone like Ron Paul; much less that he would get so much dedicated support. To have the opportunity to actually vote for someone who is GOOD for President, rather than just the lesser of 2 evils, only comes along once or twice in a lifetime; if you are very lucky. So, the choice comes down between nuclear waste and Ron Paul. I'm not interesting in sifting through and deciding which nuclear waste is less toxic than the other; none of it will cause a good end.

[parocks]

I disagree that Romney is worse than Santorum/ Santorum thought his JOB was to deliver for lobbyists and set up pairings in the senate pairing senators with lobbyists. His last year he got more money from lobbyists than anyone else in Congress. He votes for everything we hate, from 'preventative war' to NDAA to huge boondoggle government largess to corporations.

But on the other hand, Romney is owned by the banks.

So I'm not for either, I'm for maximizing Ron's leverage and at this point <1144 is a point, all else being equal. And by all else, I mean I want Ron to have 5 states by plurality, because he and we are the ones first shafted in any deal, and I don't want him to have to NEGOTIATE for a place at the table at convention.

The banks are the bad guy. International bankers are the bad guy. We really shouldn't lose sight of the major issue.

Who does Santorum have on his team as bad as

1) Goldman Sachs

2) Rabbi Dov Zakheim

They're the worst. They're both on team Romney.

Who does Santorum have on his foreign policy team as bad as Zakheim? No one is worse than Zakheim, so it will be hard for you to find that person.

[PolicyReader]

Sure this works but only if Ron Paul gets ALL the delegates, them offering a 50/50 split is no good, they want to deny Romney great, give them ALL to Ron Paul.
Mission accomplished for both teams.
We badly need a majority in five states and they need to understand that, they already have this, we don't.
Point of Information.

We only need a plurality in five states not a majority (it really does make a difference).

[BKom]

Wouldn't be surprised. I've seen a few RPF members who are closet Santorum supporters. Makes me sick.

Anyone who supports Santorum has to be clinically insane. But if we want to get to a second ballot, we have to stop Romney. If that means dealing with Grich or Santorum or Cain or Bachmann, we have to strap on our air sickness bag and do it. None of those other people is going to get the nomination. And if it gets us delegates while denying Mittler delegates, that's what we have to do.

[parocks]

They would switch to Santorum in a heartbeat. You must know that Santorum and Gingrich are corrupt as hell and for sale to the highest bidder. I agree with you that we have to keep any one of the 3 from getting the delegates to get the nomination, but that's where our agreement stops. All 3 of these people are globalists and have no allegiance to our Constitution at all. They have all proven that. You almost sound like you are willing to vote for what you believe to be the lesser of 2 evils. Might I remind you that this is how we got in this mess?

No, the deck has been stacked in presidential races for a very long time. The bad guys may have a preference, sure, but they own all of them. They never expected someone like Ron Paul; much less that he would get so much dedicated support. To have the opportunity to actually vote for someone who is GOOD for President, rather than just the lesser of 2 evils, only comes along once or twice in a lifetime; if you are very lucky. So, the choice comes down between nuclear waste and Ron Paul. I'm not interesting in sifting through and deciding which nuclear waste is less toxic than the other; none of it will cause a good end.

Disagree. They aren't all interchangeable. They all aren't equally bad.

By the way, many many people don't vote at all, ever.

You're wrong in saying that they're ALL OWNED. Not all equally. Santorum LOST his last race. If they loved him so much, they would've tried to prevent that.

I think that we should NOT be throwing away information. And Romney is FULLY ALIGNED with the enemy. It is not clear that Santorum is.

They are not all identical.

[ProBlue33]

Point of Information.

We only need a plurality in five states not a majority (it really does make a difference).

Care to define the difference?

[LibertyEagle]

Parocks, what's your point? You want Ron Paul delegates to start supporting Santorum? Is that it?

[VAMole]

Care to define the difference?

In a scenario in which Paul has 30 votes, Romney has 20 votes and Santorum has 20 votes, Ron Paul has a plurality but not a majority. A majority requires over 50%, whereas having a plurality is just having the most votes.

[sailingaway]

They would switch to Santorum in a heartbeat. You must know that Santorum and Gingrich are corrupt as hell and for sale to the highest bidder. I agree with you that we have to keep any one of the 3 from getting the delegates to get the nomination, but that's where our agreement stops. All 3 of these people are globalists and have no allegiance to our Constitution at all. They have all proven that. You almost sound like you are willing to vote for what you believe to be the lesser of 2 evils. Might I remind you that this is how we got in this mess?

No, the deck has been stacked in presidential races for a very long time. The bad guys may have a preference, sure, but they own all of them. They never expected someone like Ron Paul; much less that he would get so much dedicated support. To have the opportunity to actually vote for someone who is GOOD for President, rather than just the lesser of 2 evils, only comes along once or twice in a lifetime; if you are very lucky. So, the choice comes down between nuclear waste and Ron Paul. I'm not interesting in sifting through and deciding which nuclear waste is less toxic than the other; none of it will cause a good end.


+ rep!!

(except it won't let me.... :( )

[parocks]

Parocks, what's your point? You want Ron Paul delegates to start supporting Santorum? Is that it?

Romney <1144

[LibertyEagle]

Romney <1144

We agree on that.

[parocks]

whoa! I did not know Zakheim was a Romney advisor!

Yup, from Romney's official site.
http://www.mittromney.com/news/press/2011/11/dov-zakheim-mitt-romney-will-restore-our-military

I didn't know it until recently here. Someone posted a list of Romney's advisors, and there are other bad ones there too. I saw Zakheim there on that list, and he's the worst. The prime 9/11 suspect.

We use the word "neocon" to mean anyone who supports war. So, instead of learning, becoming smarter, we become stupider. We want to believe everybody but Ron Paul is equally evil, and that we shouldn't try to stop the most evil candidate. Lesser of 2 evils, stay home or vote 3rd party. Usually, people stay home, they've been staying home all their lives. Hooray, they've been doing the right thing forever.

[parocks]

whoa! I did not know Zakheim was a Romney advisor!

Chertoff, too.

http://www.politickernj.com/51511/romney-taps-chertoff-campaign-advisor

[PatriotOne]

Chertoff, too.

http://www.politickernj.com/51511/romney-taps-chertoff-campaign-advisor

Good grief.

[PatriotOne]

Yup, from Romney's official site.
http://www.mittromney.com/news/press/2011/11/dov-zakheim-mitt-romney-will-restore-our-military

I didn't know it until recently here. Someone posted a list of Romney's advisors, and there are other bad ones there too. I saw Zakheim there on that list, and he's the worst. The prime 9/11 suspect.

We use the word "neocon" to mean anyone who supports war. So, instead of learning, becoming smarter, we become stupider. We want to believe everybody but Ron Paul is equally evil, and that we shouldn't try to stop the most evil candidate. Lesser of 2 evils, stay home or vote 3rd party. Usually, people stay home, they've been staying home all their lives. Hooray, they've been doing the right thing forever.

I can understand your fear of Romney with advisors like that but I have no doubt Santorum would fall in line with the agenda also and would gladly take on the same advisors if he has a chance.

[sailingaway]

Yeah. Romney got the 'top' neocon advisers because he was expected to win. Santa would take them in a heartbeat.

[opinionatedfool]

Seattle Times

March 30, 2012 at 6:10 PM

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politicsnorthwest/2017877068_republican_delegate_feud_santo.html

GOP feud: Santorum and Paul supporters team up to scuttle Romney

Posted by Jim Brunner

Mitt Romney won the straw poll at Washington's precinct caucuses March 3, but the fight over who will claim the state's 43 delegates to the Republican national convention is ongoing.

The latest twist: Rick Santorum's campaign is teaming up with Ron Paul supporters in an effort to deny Romney delegates, apparently at the direction of Santorum himself.

The strategy has alarmed some top GOP officials who fear it will crack party unity and lead to a nasty scene at the state convention in a couple months. It has also angered some grassroots Santorum supporters.

In an email to Santorum supporters Thursday, state volunteer coordinator Graden Neal laid out the plan:

"Last night, the Washington State Rick Santorum leadership had a conference call with a special guest, the Senator himself. We were surprised and honored that Rick Santorum himself came on our call to help give us direction. And the Senator didn't mince words. In order for us to win the nomination in Tampa in August, we must deny Romney delegates to that convention. If the frontrunner, Romney receives 1,144 delegates before the national convention, it is all over for our campaign. That is the reason why the Senator himself directed us to coalition with the Ron Paul delegates to deny Romney any state delegates." [Emphasis added]

Neal confirmed the message in a phone interview, and acknowledged the effort has split Santorum's supporters here. Neal said the alliance is showing a measure of success, but acknowledged some Santorum backers are not happy with the strategy.

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Wow this is great news for us. I hope the Grinch does the same thing. We could really take back some of Romney's supposed lead if they team up with us on stuff.

[DerailingDaTrain]

Santorum is smarter than you are.

No

[sailingaway]

a couple of nice posts from the daily paul:



Just got back from the Clallam County convention
Submitted by thejellydonutman on Sat, 03/31/2012 - 17:11. Permalink
Just reporting real quick on the fly that out of the 21 delegates elected to state, 13 of them are for Ron Paul, so despite getting kind of screwed over in one of our districts, we still got the majority! thank you for all of the prayers!

next post
Many of the "undecided" went to Romney, but we still prevailed
Submitted by Promisekept on Sat, 03/31/2012 - 18:12. Permalink
Mine was the largest of the three districts we were divided into. We had 17 in my district who had declared themselves, "undecided", back in the precinct caucus that were nominated on the floor at the county level. Most of them declared themselves for Romney or Santorum at that time. We found several Paul supporters we didn't know we had, but it wasn't enough to give us as much of an upper hand that we thought we had going in today. Because of that huge influx, our expected strength was diluted, and I was the only Paul delegate in my district who didn't get something. :(

The smaller districts did better for Paul. All total, out of the 21 delegates and 21 alternatives, we won 13 delegates and 10 alternates, but we have yet to see how many of the alternates will win the draw to move on to the state convention.

http://www.dailypaul.com/223989/heading-to-wa-county-caucus-today

[parocks]

I can understand your fear of Romney with advisors like that but I have no doubt Santorum would fall in line with the agenda also and would gladly take on the same advisors if he has a chance.

But Santorum will not necessarily go along with PNAC stuff. It isn't so easy to get people to go along with the idea that another pearl harbor is a good thing.

You, too, are just guessing. We KNOW that Romney has these people. I don't think that you can just assume that Santorum will fill his cabinet with dual nationality traitors, and that Santorum will go along with their traitorous schemes.

If they thought that Santorum was the right one, they would've picked Santorum to work for. They picked Romney. They think Romney will go along with their traitorous schemes.

We don't have to guess about Romney - all the baddies are with Romney.

[parocks]

Wow this is great news for us. I hope the Grinch does the same thing. We could really take back some of Romney's supposed lead if they team up with us on stuff.

Right.

Exactly.

and there should be no debate on this. it's clear that this is the way to proceed. Santorum gets it, we should get it.

[parocks]

Yeah. Romney got the 'top' neocon advisers because he was expected to win. Santa would take them in a heartbeat.

Romney is expected to win because he got the "top" neocon advisers.

2 ways to look at it.

Either way, it's ROMNEY who has them. Not anybody else.

[PatriotOne]

But Santorum will not necessarily go along with PNAC stuff. It isn't so easy to get people to go along with the idea that another pearl harbor is a good thing.

You, too, are just guessing. We KNOW that Romney has these people. I don't think that you can just assume that Santorum will fill his cabinet with dual nationality traitors, and that Santorum will go along with their traitorous schemes.

If they thought that Santorum was the right one, they would've picked Santorum to work for. They picked Romney. They think Romney will go along with their traitorous schemes.

We don't have to guess about Romney - all the baddies are with Romney.

If RP doesn't get the nomination, were going to have 4 more yrs of Obama anyways so I'm not worried about Romney or Santorum actually becoming president...just one of them becoming the nominee.

But I do agree teaming w/Santorum is the way to go strategy wise right now.

[sailingaway]

Romney is expected to win because he got the "top" neocon advisers.

2 ways to look at it.

Either way, it's ROMNEY who has them. Not anybody else.It is SANTORUM who is running on bombing the crap out of everybody. Romney at least puts a gloss on it. Santorum was WHIP in BUSH'S Senate.

[parocks]

It is SANTORUM who is running on bombing the crap out of everybody. Romney at least puts a gloss on it.

A gloss on it. Or "etch a sketch" whatever.

It doesn't matter, at all, what Romney says. So, whether or not there's a "gloss" doesn't matter.

Santorum hasn't been memorizing the globalist elite playbook the way Romney has. There is uncertainly about what Santorum will do. There isn't uncertainly about Romney.

[PatriotOne]

It is SANTORUM who is running on bombing the crap out of everybody. Romney at least puts a gloss on it.

And he don't need no stinkin advisors telling him to do it. KILL...KILL...KILL.....

[sailingaway]

I disagree. Santorum simply couldn't afford those guys.

[PolicyReader]

Wow this is great news for us. I hope the Grinch does the same thing. We could really take back some of Romney's supposed lead if they team up with us on stuff.


Right.

Exactly.

and there should be no debate on this. it's clear that this is the way to proceed. Santorum gets it, we should get it.

Yep, the above covers it. From here on into Tampa it's time to collaborate with everyone against Romney.
We need delegates its true, and we should fight to get those but just as badly we need Romney to be shut out.
And if we need to make deals with the others to ensure that, even deals which barter away a few delegates, then so be it.
This is all about tactics and right now there really isn't the luxury of concerning ourselves with anything beyond that.

[sailingaway]

Yep, the above covers it. From here on into Tampa it's time to collaborate with everyone against Romney.
We need delegates its true, and we should fight to get those but just as badly we need Romney to be shut out.
And if we need to make deals with the others to ensure that, even deals which barter away a few delegates, then so be it.
This is all about tactics and right now there really isn't the luxury of concerning ourselves with anything beyond that.

but Ron needs pluralities. If it comes to Ron gets the MO plurality working with Romney (whom we've already started working with) and otherwise Santa gets it, I think we need the plurality. I think the others in the end combine, and Ron would be the one 'negotiating' for leverage. I want him to have a plurality of delegates in 5 states and a place as a matter of right.

[parocks]

Yep, the above covers it. From here on into Tampa it's time to collaborate with everyone against Romney.
We need delegates its true, and we should fight to get those but just as badly we need Romney to be shut out.
And if we need to make deals with the others to ensure that, even deals which barter away a few delegates, then so be it.
This is all about tactics and right now there really isn't the luxury of concerning ourselves with anything beyond that.


I think what we'd really need to do, and by we, I mean Ron Paul, is sit down with Santorum and Gingrich and talk about this.

We need, and Santorum and Gingrich need, Romney <1144.

We need, and we can get, the plurality in 5 states. Santorum has that 5 (we assume). Gingrich also would like the 5, but we're in better shape than Gingrich is.

Then look at the facts on the ground, and come up with a plan that works best for those 3 candidates, and keeps Romney <1144.

Being negative about Santorum and Gingrich is counter productive at this time.

Being negative about Romney is a good plan.

[sailingaway]

I think what we'd really need to do, and by we, I mean Ron Paul, is sit down with Santorum and Gingrich and talk about this.

We need, and Santorum and Gingrich need, Romney <1144.

We need, and we can get, the plurality in 5 states. Santorum has that 5 (we assume). Gingrich also would like the 5, but we're in better shape than Gingrich is.

Then look at the facts on the ground, and come up with a plan that works best for those 3 candidates, and keeps Romney <1144.

Being negative about Santorum and Gingrich is counter productive at this time.

Being negative about Romney is a good plan.

Gingrich has pretty clearly cut or suggested some sort of deal to Romney in his meeting about a week ago. Since then he's been Johnny Sunshine with not a bad word for anyone and saying he'd make a good VP "I wouldn't say no"...

[parocks]

Gingrich has pretty clearly cut or suggested some sort of deal to Romney in his meeting about a week ago. Since then he's been Johnny Sunshine with not a bad word for anyone and saying he'd make a good VP "I wouldn't say no"...

If we aren't working with Gingrich, then just Santorum then.

It seems to me that we should've been able to prevent Romney from getting delegates in North Dakota.

We were completely unable to do that.

[sailingaway]

It sounded like the chair didn't count votes. I still want to know where the tweet from a Paul supporter saying Romney's attorneys were asking for a 'recount' fits in.

[kathy88]

If we aren't working with Gingrich, then just Santorum then.

It seems to me that we should've been able to prevent Romney from getting delegates in North Dakota.

We were completely unable to do that.

How exactly could that have been accomplished after everything you saw about what went down there today? All the top GOP players were already practically annointed as delegates. They didn't count votes fairly. The person in charge broke rules and ignored legitimate requests. How do you beat that? Explain that.

[kill the banks]

damn the more I hear the more i'm cheering for a good guy military coup d'état that installs Ron president ... push those rules on them and get advice as best you can ... good luck guys

[TC95]

Wouldn't be surprised. I've seen a few RPF members who are closet Santorum supporters. Makes me sick.

Alright, alright! I'm a closet Santorum supporter! Someone save me from myself!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7pv7sO5Gng


Jus' kiddin'!

[sailingaway]

Alright, alright! I'm a closet Santorum supporter! Someone save me from myself!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7pv7sO5Gng


Jus' kiddin'!

antidote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE30TH6Y7cI

also:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc7pRH9_lb4&feature=player_embedded

also


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otwKWzdu7Ps

[roho76]

Ron is such a power broker now. I love it.

[Ivash]

What you don't seem to understand is that they stacked the deck. While they may very well prefer Romney, and I agree that they do, they would be happy to take Santorum or Gingrich too. All 3 of them are peas in a pod, along with Obama.

Nah, most of 'them' don't think Santorum or Gingrich can beat Obama. There are a good amount who don't believe that Romney can beat him, hence why so many are just sitting on the sidelines and waiting for 2016 to roll around.

[kathy88]

2016 (assuming a GOP loss) will be interesting. Rand, Christie, Bush and Rubio. And probably Santorum and Romney's egos will give them another go.

[JJ2]

But Santorum will not necessarily go along with PNAC stuff. It isn't so easy to get people to go along with the idea that another pearl harbor is a good thing.

You, too, are just guessing. We KNOW that Romney has these people. I don't think that you can just assume that Santorum will fill his cabinet with dual nationality traitors, and that Santorum will go along with their traitorous schemes.

If they thought that Santorum was the right one, they would've picked Santorum to work for. They picked Romney. They think Romney will go along with their traitorous schemes.

We don't have to guess about Romney - all the baddies are with Romney.

Yeah, it totally creeps me out the way Bush Sr. keeps pushing Romney so hard.


“We’re so convinced and we’ve known Mitt for a very long time, that he’s the man to do this job and get on and win the presidency, and that’s about it,” Bush said.

Yikes. And the media doesn't even ask anyone what the part about "a very long time" means? Was this before or after he said "I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush"?

[JK/SEA]

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