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Starks
06-19-2007, 04:28 PM
I've been a moderately liberal Democrat my entire life and have not shown any respect for a non-Democratic politician (Republican, Libertarian, or otherwise) since pre-war McCain. Yet, today, I find myself almost perfectly aligned with Ron Paul's global view and where we should positioned on the world stage. While I vehemently disagree with some his domestic policies, I'd be willing to sacrifice those if the end result is that the rest of the world doesn't hate us anymore.

Am I a bad Democrat?

fedup100
06-19-2007, 04:31 PM
No, you are a good American!

cujothekitten
06-19-2007, 04:31 PM
I've been a moderately liberal Democrat my entire life and have not shown any respect for a non-Democratic politician (Republican, Libertarian, or otherwise) since pre-war McCain. Yet, today, I find myself almost perfectly aligned with Ron Paul's global view and where we should positioned on the world stage. While I vehemently disagree with some his domestic policies, I'd be willing to sacrifice those if the end result is that the rest of the world doesn't hate us anymore.

Am I a bad Democrat?

No way, it's great to have you! You'll find lots of liberals and democrats have jumped on the Ron Paul bandwagon. Welcome aboard and hope you enjoy the forum :D

DjLoTi
06-19-2007, 04:31 PM
Absolutely not! You love your country.

We're definitely proud to have you on board! We're fighting really hard to take back our country. One thing I have to say is.. thank god we still have about 6 months! lol. We sure need more time to educate more people offline. Welcome aboard! :)

Bryan
06-19-2007, 04:31 PM
Am I a bad Democrat?

You're a good American, that's what matters most. :) Really. We don't all agree on everything but we see this is the right way.

Welcome to the forum and the Ron Paul campaign!

UtahApocalypse
06-19-2007, 04:32 PM
I also am a person that has normally voted Dem, but this isnt about parties. This is about saving our country.

Bloody Holly
06-19-2007, 04:32 PM
It might make you a bad democrat but it makes you a good american ;)

MusoSpuso
06-19-2007, 04:33 PM
Just like Paul and the previous posters have said: It's about the message and the message is Liberty. Something all Americans can get behind no matter what you're stripes are. I used to a Green Party Nader guy--go figure :p

Starks
06-19-2007, 04:36 PM
I do have a question though...

How Ron Paul react if America was attacked by terrorist attack that was similar in magnitude to 9/11?

Erazmus
06-19-2007, 04:36 PM
No, you are a good American!

Agreed. This polarization that's been going on the passed few decades is stupid. The American people need to first step back and solve the big problems in America, restore our civil liberties, and then we can argue about the little things that separate the people into various groups. As it stands right now though, we're all in the same barrel, and the political elite (neo-cons) have the guns and are shooting at the barrel.

LibertyCzar
06-19-2007, 04:38 PM
I've been a moderately liberal Democrat my entire life and have not shown any respect for a non-Democratic politician (Republican, Libertarian, or otherwise) since pre-war McCain. Yet, today, I find myself almost perfectly aligned with Ron Paul's global view and where we should positioned on the world stage. While I vehemently disagree with some his domestic policies, I'd be willing to sacrifice those if the end result is that the rest of the world doesn't hate us anymore.

Am I a bad Democrat?

No. The Democratic Party is currently a bad caucus. The good thing is that you can always switch parties when the one you belong to is no longer compatible.

DjLoTi
06-19-2007, 04:41 PM
I do have a question though...

How Ron Paul react if America was attacked by terrorist attack that was similar in magnitude to 9/11?

Push for a declaration of war from congress. If it's not an attack from a country, he would declare war.. in that way.. that he suggested after 9/11.. by going to war against the individuals... anyone remember what that's called?

*edit* this is what he proposed, taken from wiki

A Letter of Marque and Reprisal is an official warrant or commission from a national government authorizing the designated agent to search, seize, or destroy specified assets or personnel belonging to a party which has committed some offense under the laws of nations against the assets or citizens of the issuing nation, and has usually been used to authorize private parties to raid and capture merchant shipping of an enemy nation.

The formal statement of the warrant is to authorize the agent to pass beyond the borders of the nation ("marque", meaning frontier), and there to search, seize, or destroy assets or personnel of the hostile foreign party ("reprisal"), not necessarily a nation, to a degree and in a way that was proportional to the original offense. It is considered a retaliatory measure short of a full declaration of war, and by maintaining a rough proportionality, has been intended to justify the action to other nations, who might otherwise consider it an act of war or piracy. As with a domestic search, arrest, seizure, or death warrant, to be considered lawful it needs to have a certain degree of specificity, to ensure that the agent does not exceed his authority and the intent of the issuing authority.

mconder
06-19-2007, 04:41 PM
I'm a Democrat, yet Ron Paul is my man.

This is a giant step for a any recovering Marxist. Now all you need to do is start thinking Constitutionally about everything and you'll make a full recovery. Baby steps...

aravoth
06-19-2007, 04:45 PM
I do have a question though...

How Ron Paul react if America was attacked by terrorist attack that was similar in magnitude to 9/11?

He would ask congess for a declaration of war before any troops were sent. He has stated this in the past. The power to declare and go to war is not bestowed on the executive branch. It is something that must be done by the representitives of the people. Who are supposed to represent the will of the people.

He voted for the authorization to go after Usama Bin Laden in afgahnistan, but vehemetly oposed war with Iraq.

Starks
06-19-2007, 04:46 PM
Until the recent debates, I had been disillusioned that Obama or Hillary could change this country for the better.

I will most likely register as an independent for the primaries for '08.

cujothekitten
06-19-2007, 04:46 PM
I do have a question though...

How Ron Paul react if America was attacked by terrorist attack that was similar in magnitude to 9/11?

He'll more than likely go after the people that did it. He's in favor of catching Osama and feels the war has actually distracted us from going after the people responsible. He also feels the Iraq war has jeopardized our security so bringing our troops home will help defend our shores better. I have no doubt he'll go after our attackers but I don't think it will be a full on war like we have with Iraq. He'll probably work with countries to hunt the people down as well.

Many of our foreign policies would change though. We'll probably start talking with countries and trading with them more. Hopefully that will cool the extremists down as well.

As others pointed out he would most definitely get congressional approval before taking any measures.

aravoth
06-19-2007, 04:47 PM
Until the recent debates, I had been disillusioned that Obama or Hillary could change this country for the better.

I will most likely register as an independent for the primaries for '08.

You are very right about that. On a side note, no you are not a bad democrat. It is the mandate of all political parties to do what is best for the nation, and sometimes, that means you must stray from the herd to save it.

Bryan
06-19-2007, 04:54 PM
How Ron Paul react if America was attacked by terrorist attack that was similar in magnitude to 9/11?
My guess is that Dr. Paul would support it the same way that he supported it after 9/11, he is interested in finding out who attacked us and with the approval of Congress, he'd be interested in specifically going after those individuals with the use of "marque and reprisal" as authorized in Article I, section 8 of the US Constitution. This means no bombing of civilian populations, no occupation, it more-or-less means there would be small teams going after specific individuals based on good information.

If Congress passed a declaration of war (something not done since WWII) then we can be sure he would honor the request of the people.

Here is some reading on the "Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001" that Dr. Paul introduced:
http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press2001/pr101101.htm

carla8478
06-19-2007, 06:43 PM
Hey I'm in Louisiana we've got more people registered Democrat than Republican. If any of you guys know someone in Louisiana please pass the word. Also any suggestions on how to approach Democrats about Ron Paul?

NewEnd
06-19-2007, 07:30 PM
war on drugs is often a good start, if they are younger. Npbpdy likes the prohibition against marijuana

Silverback
06-19-2007, 07:32 PM
Hey I'm in Louisiana we've got more people registered Democrat than Republican. If any of you guys know someone in Louisiana please pass the word. Also any suggestions on how to approach Democrats about Ron Paul?

Democrats tend to be wary of Dr. Pauls domestic agenda. Even more than with Republicans the concepts of inalienable rights and the way domestic programs violate them are very foreign to them.

Concentrate on Dr. Pauls impeccable record on civil liberties? PATRIOT 1 & 2 got a lot of D support and they're horrible in every way.

The economic debate can be won, often quite easily, but it takes a great deal of time and I wouldn't lead with it. Most Democrats can't imagine the positive effects of Dr. Pauls monetary reform on social justice, environmental issues, the malinvestment and moral hazard created by the Fed touches absolutely everything. It's often difficult for liberals to break out of the wealth redistribution vs. denial arguement that is the mainstream debate on how to deal with the myriad problems created by debt-as-legal tender.

They do understand striking the root, they aren't generally familiar with what it is.

Many Democrats have spent decades decrying the evils of "capitalism", not realizing truly free market capitalism hasn't existed in our lifetimes.

Many Democrats also don't realize how little of the essential services of government are provided by the federal government. Almost no one knows that the income tax revenue goes entirely to interest on the debt, or that the GAAP deficit is twice the revenue derived from the income tax, or that the income tax provides less than one-third of all federal revenue.

There are also many people, even Democrats, who really don't want to see one party running everything again, it's a recipe for abuse.

RPR-omaha
06-19-2007, 07:36 PM
Until the recent debates, I had been disillusioned that Obama or Hillary could change this country for the better.

I will most likely register as an independent for the primaries for '08.

To vote for Ron Paul in the primaries you may have to register as a Republican. Different states have different rules on who gets to vote in primaries

RPR-omaha
06-19-2007, 07:42 PM
Hey I'm in Louisiana we've got more people registered Democrat than Republican. If any of you guys know someone in Louisiana please pass the word. Also any suggestions on how to approach Democrats about Ron Paul?

First read Silverbacks post it is really good. Also stress that Ron Paul opposes government programs like Medicare and SS on the philosphocial level. Inform them that he has said he will not eliminate them because he knows to many people depend on them. Also stress his abortion and gay marriage views. Ron Paul believes abortion and gay marriage should be left up to the state governments.

BuddyRey
06-19-2007, 08:01 PM
Hey, Starks! Welcome to the forums, from a fellow lib-Dem!

I never thought I'd find myself supporting a Republican, but since finding out about Ron Paul, it's becoming more and more apparent to me that true liberals and true conservatives have a lot more in common than the partisan gatekeepers would have us believe.

CurtisLow
06-19-2007, 08:03 PM
Welcome to the RP forums!

mesler
06-19-2007, 08:11 PM
I've been a moderately liberal Democrat my entire life and have not shown any respect for a non-Democratic politician (Republican, Libertarian, or otherwise) since pre-war McCain. Yet, today, I find myself almost perfectly aligned with Ron Paul's global view and where we should positioned on the world stage. While I vehemently disagree with some his domestic policies, I'd be willing to sacrifice those if the end result is that the rest of the world doesn't hate us anymore.

Am I a bad Democrat?

Welcome :)

Bryan
06-19-2007, 09:20 PM
While I vehemently disagree with some his domestic policies,
Watch this video, understand that Dr. Paul is out to fix this problem and then consider how it will affect the domestic problems you're concerned about:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279
It's a very well spent 45 minutes. Really.

Gee
06-19-2007, 09:46 PM
...While I vehemently disagree with some his domestic policies, I'd be willing to sacrifice those if the end result is that the rest of the world doesn't hate us anymore.

Am I a bad Democrat?
Just read a bit more about economics, then maybe you'll no longer be a democract ;)

krott5333
06-19-2007, 09:49 PM
The two biggest things for me about Ron Paul is that he strictly upholds the Constitution, and I think he would really help America's global image.

Chad
06-19-2007, 11:56 PM
howdy, I was registered Democrat, in spite of the fact that I'm absolutely opposed to socialism, because I wanted to vote and be registered against George Bush and the neo-conservatives. I'm 23 now, re-registered in order to vote for Ron Paul. you're not a bad Democrat in any case, any Democrat able to read the writing on the wall understands that there is little actual difference between the Democrat globalists and the Zionist warmongers running as Republicans.

hroos
06-23-2007, 02:08 PM
I think it is important to mention that Ron Paul has mentioned many times how the message of liberty is attractive to all peoples no matter what political party they are registered for. I tell friends that his campaign is not about democrats or republicans but about ideas that are good for us all and speak truth to us and instill a new fervor and energy to our hearts.

Dr. Paul has an exchange with Jon Stewart on his show explaining the attractiveness of his campaign:

Stewart: Thank you for joining us. You have accomplished no small feat, which is, you're running for President, very much as an underdog, yet you've created a nice little buzz going about the Ron Paul candidacy. What do you attribute that to?

Paul: A good message. The philosophy of liberty, and people are still interested in being free people, living in a free country.

For a complete transcript, click here (http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Jon_Stewart_interviews_presidential_candidate_Ron_ 0605.html).

mikelovesgod
06-23-2007, 04:23 PM
Tell all your dem buddies to register Republican and vote in the primaries.

cac1963
06-25-2007, 02:00 PM
Here's another liberalish Dem voter who has come to find Ron Paul's message absolutely irresistible. As another poster has already said, it's about saving this country while there's something still worth saving.

ronpaulhawaii
06-25-2007, 07:55 PM
You are a good American

I am really heartened to see us all coming together like this. My brother _was_ Green/Nader, I _was_ independant. My mom _was_ Democrat. My other brother is Republican. (RIP Dad)

Please registar and vote Repubican, we all need each other...
If you become a delegate you get to go to big parties and wear funny hats...

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Broadlighter
06-25-2007, 08:30 PM
No matter what your affiliations have been, if you believe that our elected officials should at least follow the Constitution and place it above your policy interests, then we have something that unites us.

I used to be very liberal in my political outlook and a couple of things changed that for me. I had this naive notion that Democrats were for individual rights like free speech and tolerance for all types of people and lifestyles. Then I worked for a very liberal university and witnessed firsthand what political correctness was all about. Then Bill Clinton very agressively pushed for passage and then signed the 1996 Communications Decency Act. Had Ron Paul been in Congress then, I have no doubt that he would have strongly opposed it.

Here's what I learned: Liberals can be just as orthodox about their politics as conservatives, but claim the 'cooler than thou' status because they are unorthodox. Conservatives embrace their orthodoxy wholeheartedly and try to persuade you to accept their orthodoxy as solid reality. On this count, I credit the conservatives for at least being honest about themselves.

The lesson is this: Political orthodoxy and hypocricy go hand in hand. Parties and politicians are not immune to these deceptions. Even with Ron Paul sitting in the Oval Office, we should maintain a healthy skepticism about his actions and motivations and always think for yourself.

Aborell
06-29-2007, 04:55 AM
Even with Ron Paul sitting in the Oval Office, we should maintain a healthy skepticism about his actions and motivations and always think for yourself.

And no one would agree more with that than Dr. Paul himself. Which is why we have to get him elected :)

Swmorgan77
06-29-2007, 08:03 AM
I've been a moderately liberal Democrat my entire life and have not shown any respect for a non-Democratic politician (Republican, Libertarian, or otherwise) since pre-war McCain. Yet, today, I find myself almost perfectly aligned with Ron Paul's global view and where we should positioned on the world stage. While I vehemently disagree with some his domestic policies, I'd be willing to sacrifice those if the end result is that the rest of the world doesn't hate us anymore.

Am I a bad Democrat?

Nope! It's too bad that the Democratic party is not listening to its voters and calling for non-interventionist foreign policy.

People feel so urgently that our foreign policy is being so hurtful and dangerous, that they are willing to set aside domestic disagreements to be able to return to a sane foreign policy.

kimosabi
06-29-2007, 09:00 AM
What do I have to do to become an American Citizen so I can vote for Ron Paul?

Aborell
06-29-2007, 09:18 AM
What do I have to do to become an American Citizen so I can vote for Ron Paul?

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