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Anti Federalist
03-30-2012, 01:28 PM
An older story but a relevant re-posting, I think.

How a medic alert bracelet going off brought not EMTs but state enforcers who "helped" by killing this man.



Officers, Why Do You Have Your Guns Out?’

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/06/nyregion/fatal-shooting-of-ex-marine-by-white-plains-police-raises-questions.html?_r=2

The niece stood in the darkened stairwell of the Winbrook Houses, listening, as 20 feet away five police officers yelled at her uncle, who had locked himself in his apartment.

It was 5:25 on a chill November morning. The officers banged loud and hard, demanding that her 68-year-old uncle open his door.

“He was begging them to leave him alone,” she recalls. “He sounded scared.” She pulls her shawl about her shoulders and her voice cracks; she is speaking for the first time about what she saw. “I heard my uncle yelling, ‘Officers, officers, why do you have your guns out?’ ”

The string of events that night sounds prosaic, a who-cares accumulation of little mistakes and misapprehensions. Cumulatively, though, it is like tumbling down the stairs. Somehow the uncle, Kenneth Chamberlain Sr., a former Marine who had heart problems and wheezed if he walked more than 40 feet, triggered his medical alert system pendant. The system operator came on the loudspeaker in his one-bedroom apartment, asking: “Mr. Chamberlain, are you O.K.?” All of this is recorded.

Mr. Chamberlain didn’t respond. So the operator signaled for an ambulance. Police patrol cars fell in behind — standard operating procedure in towns across America. Except an hour later, even as Mr. Chamberlain insisted he was in good health, the police had snapped the locks on the apartment door.

They fired electric charges from Tasers, and beanbags from shotguns. Then they said they saw Mr. Chamberlain grab a knife, and an officer fired his handgun.

Boom! Boom! Mr. Chamberlain’s niece Tonyia Greenhill, who lives upstairs, recalls the echoes ricocheting about the hall. She pushed out a back door and ran into the darkness beneath overarching oaks. He lay on the floor near his kitchen, two bullet holes in his chest, blood pooling thick, dying.

It makes sense to be humble in the presence of conflicting accounts. The White Plains public safety commissioner declared this a “warranted use of deadly force”; the shooter was later put on modified assignment. Mr. Chamberlain, in the commissioner’s telling, had withstood electric charges, grabbed a butcher knife and charged the officers.

The alert system phone in Mr. Chamberlain’s apartment recorded most of the standoff, as did a security camera in the hall. And the officers’ Tasers carried video recorders.

Last month, the Westchester County district attorney played these for the dead man’s son, Kenneth Chamberlain Jr., who teaches martial arts for a local nonprofit organization and intends to file a lawsuit. He is lithe, with a shaved head, and takes pride in a reasoned manner. “My family, we’re not into histrionics,” he says. “We don’t run down the street inciting riot.”

His voice cracks, though, as he describes the tapes. “I heard fear,” he says. “In my 45 years on this earth, I never heard my father sound like that.”

The district attorney will present the case to a grand jury and has not released transcripts. But the family’s recollection matches that of neighbors who listened through closed doors.

They say officers taunted Mr. Chamberlain. He shouted: “Semper fi,” the Marine Corps motto. The police answered with loud shouts of “Hoo-rah!” Another officer, the niece says, said he wanted to pee in Mr. Chamberlain’s bathroom.

Someone, the niece and neighbors say, yelled a racial epithet at the door. Black and white officers were present.

Kenny Randolph listened from his apartment across the hall. “They put fear in his heart,” he says. “It wasn’t a crime scene until they made it one.”

The police say Mr. Chamberlain was “known” to them, although it appears he had not been convicted of a crime. There are intimations that he wrestled with emotional issues. Sometimes, neighbors say, he talked to himself. Who’s to say? As often, life’s default position is set to “complicated.”

Many police departments have trained corps of officers expert in talking with the emotionally upset. Their rule of thumb: talk quietly and de-escalate. That night in White Plains, no one appeared to have de-escalated anything.

Mr. Chamberlain sounded spooked. His son recalls hearing his father say on tape: “This is my sworn testimony. White Plains officers are coming in here to kill me.” A few minutes later, a bullet tore through his rib and heart. The ambulance took him to White Plains Hospital, where he soon died.

His son lives five minutes away. He says he could have talked his father down. Standing in the office of his lawyer Randolph M. McLaughlin, he mimes knocking on his dad’s door. “Dad, it’s me, Ken, I’m here.” His eyes are bloodshot and brimming. “I always said, ‘I’m the protector now.’ But I wasn’t there when he needed me.”

cstarace
03-30-2012, 01:34 PM
Absolutely frightening. I've dealt with the White Plains police before, there's a RIDICULOUS number of them for moderately sized city, and they're all assholes. Many cops are dicks but the White Plains guys are worse than the State Troopers in my experience.

RiseAgainst
03-30-2012, 02:12 PM
“I always said, ‘I’m the protector now.’ But I wasn’t there when he needed me.”


Damn you AF. I'm imagining myself and my father in this scenario, and my eyes are welling up...

:(

phill4paul
03-30-2012, 02:18 PM
“It wasn’t a crime scene until they made it one.”

The long and short of it.

coastie
03-30-2012, 02:23 PM
Most dangerous job...protecting us from crime...put their lives on the line...for shit like this that happens all the time. Our heroes in blue save the day again.

That is all.

donnay
03-30-2012, 02:28 PM
The question I have is, when the medical alert pendant went off didn't the dispatcher who monitors these make it a point to tell EMT's and LEO that this person is a heart patient? To use a taser on a heart patient can kill them--let alone the bullet to the heart. :mad:

Anti Federalist
03-30-2012, 02:40 PM
The question I have is, when the medical alert pendant went off didn't the dispatcher who monitors these make it a point to tell EMT's and LEO that this person is a heart patient? To use a taser on a heart patient can kill them--let alone the bullet to the heart. :mad:

Call 911 and you're gonna get cops, whether you like it or not, and they ain't gonna pay any mind to what some Mundane EMT has to say about anything.

Here is MY question:



They fired electric charges from Tasers, and beanbags from shotguns. Then they said they saw Mr. Chamberlain grab a knife, and an officer fired his handgun.


WHY were they tasing him BEFORE he grabbed a knife?

Hmmm? :mad:

jmdrake
03-30-2012, 04:02 PM
This story doesn't fit the statist narrative. Move along. Nothing to see here.

donnay
03-30-2012, 06:25 PM
Call 911 and you're gonna get cops, whether you like it or not, and they ain't gonna pay any mind to what some Mundane EMT has to say about anything.

It seems it was SOP for cops to go out on a medical alert call.


"So the operator signaled for an ambulance. Police patrol cars fell in behind — standard operating procedure in towns across America. Except an hour later, even as Mr. Chamberlain insisted he was in good health, the police had snapped the locks on the apartment door."

If I were the son, I would be going after the medical alert people and the EMT's for not having a fit that the cops were tasering a heart patient. :mad:

Anti Federalist
03-30-2012, 07:28 PM
It seems it was SOP for cops to go out on a medical alert call.


"So the operator signaled for an ambulance. Police patrol cars fell in behind — standard operating procedure in towns across America. Except an hour later, even as Mr. Chamberlain insisted he was in good health, the police had snapped the locks on the apartment door."

If I were the son, I would be going after the medical alert people and the EMT's for not having a fit that the cops were tasering a heart patient. :mad:

Poor guy survived the tasering.

It was the lead poisoning that killed him.:mad:

Sons of bitches...

coastie
03-30-2012, 08:57 PM
They fired electric charges from Tasers, and beanbags from shotguns. Then they said they saw Mr. Chamberlain grab a knife, and an officer fired his handgun.


WTF? They doing live fire training scenarios in real life now? Holy Shit batman.

Anti Federalist
03-30-2012, 08:58 PM
WTF? They doing live fire training scenarios in real life now? Holy Shit batman.

Combat Quals.

coastie
03-30-2012, 09:02 PM
Combat Quals.

AH yes.....duh. I've heard the fastest way up the ranks is field promotion.

ETA: At least their training seems to rely heavily on people that would'nt have harmed them or actually shoot back...;):toady:

TheTexan
03-30-2012, 10:05 PM
Wanna place odds on whether or not this over takes the Trayvon story in the media

Austrian Econ Disciple
03-30-2012, 10:08 PM
If more people shot back at these assholes they'd be a bit more apprehensive about their brutality, criminality, and barbaric acts. If nothing else, they would know that we don't just take it on our knees with our hands behind our head. That's the lesson of Aleksandr Solszhentyisn (sp?).

Justinfrom1776
03-30-2012, 11:07 PM
After reading this, I had to go watch this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_pDIvA0E3c

Disclaimer: I don't condone cyborgs attacking police stations.

Expatriate
03-30-2012, 11:53 PM
If more people shot back at these assholes they'd be a bit more apprehensive about their brutality, criminality, and barbaric acts. If nothing else, they would know that we don't just take it on our knees with our hands behind our head. That's the lesson of Aleksandr Solszhentyisn (sp?).

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn