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John F Kennedy III
03-29-2012, 03:57 PM
Why Does The Department Of Homeland Security Need 450 MILLION Hollow Point Bullets?

The American Dream
Thursday March 29, 2012

Somebody out there has decided that the Department of Homeland Security needs a whole lot of ammunition. Recently it was announced that ATK was awarded a contract to provide up to 450 MILLION hollow point bullets to the Department of Homeland Security over the next five years.

Is it just me, or does that sound incredibly excessive? What in the world is the DHS going to do with 450 million rounds? What possible event would ever require that much ammunition? If the United States was ever invaded, it would be the job of the U.S. military to defend the country, so that can’t be it. So what are all of those bullets for? Who does the Department of Homeland Security plan to be shooting at? According to the U.S. Census, there are only about 311 million people living in the entire country. So why does the Department of Homeland Security need 450 million rounds of ammunition? Either this is an incredible waste or there is something that the Department of Homeland Security is not telling us.

I could understand if the U.S. military was ordering ammunition in this quantity. When you fight wars you can go through ammunition very rapidly.

But the Department of Homeland Security is only supposed to be shooting at people very rarely.

It simply does not make sense that they would need so much ammunition.

The following is an excerpt from the official press release about this deal between ATK and the Department of Homeland Security….

ATK announced that it is being awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) agreement from the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (DHS, ICE) for .40 caliber ammunition. This contract features a base of 12 months, includes four option years, and will have a maximum volume of 450 million rounds.

ATK was the incumbent and won the contract with its HST bullet, which has proven itself in the field. The special hollow point effectively passes through a variety of barriers and holds its jacket in the toughest conditions. HST is engineered for 100-percent weight retention, limits collateral damage, and avoids over-penetration.

“We are proud to extend our track record as the prime supplier of .40 caliber duty ammunition for DHS, ICE,” said Ron Johnson, President of ATK’s Security and Sporting group.

But this is not the only kind of ammo that the DHS is placing an order for.

Business Insider is also reporting that the Department of Homeland Security is seeking to buy 175 million rifle ammunition rounds….

We’ve also learned that the Department has an open bid for a stockpile of rifle ammo. Listed on the federal business opportunities network, they’re looking for up to 175 million rounds of .233 caliber ammo to be exact. The 223 is almost exactly the same round used by NATO forces, the 5.56 x 45mm.

This all comes at a time when gun sales are absolutely going through the roof in the United States.

Gun manufacturer Sturm, Ruger & Co. recently announced that it would be suspending new orders until May because it received orders for more than one million guns during the months of January and February.

The following announcement about this suspension of sales comes from their official website….

The Company’s Retailer Programs that were offered from January 1, 2012 through February 29, 2012 were very successful and generated significant orders from retailers to independent wholesale distributors for Ruger firearms.
Year-to-date, the independent wholesale distributors placed orders with the Company for more than one million Ruger firearms.
Despite the Company’s continuing successful efforts to increase production rates, the incoming order rate exceeds our capacity to rapidly fulfill these orders. Consequently, the Company has temporarily suspended the acceptance of new orders.
The Company expects to resume the normal acceptance of orders by the end of May 2012.

Since Barack Obama first took office, gun sales in America have risen to extraordinary levels.

Overall, more than 10 million guns were sold in the United States during 2011.

And gun sales have continued to rise at a brisk pace in 2012. The following was recently posted on Yahoo News….

The NSSF said that 920,840 instant criminal background checks were made in January alone, a gain of 17.3% over the same month in 2011. This now makes it the 20th consecutive month of increases. While using the number of background checks is a good measurement of sales, it doesn’t paint the whole picture as some checks are used for the purchases of multiple firearms. Also, some private transfers and sales from gun shows are exempt, making the actual number of guns sold higher.

According to Gallup, 41 percent of all Americans said that they owned a gun in 2010. But when that question was asked again in 2011, that number had risen to 47 percent.

Clearly, a lot of Americans are feeling the need to arm themselves.

Unfortunately, they may find themselves short on ammunition for those guns considering how much ammo the government is buying up.

So what is causing everyone to buy so many guns?

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tod evans
03-29-2012, 04:09 PM
Why Does The Department Of Homeland Security Need 450 MILLION Hollow Point Bullets?

Because we won't all lie down.

03-29-2012, 04:30 PM
You are missing the point. The point is not to get bullets into the hands of the TSA. The point is to get MONEY into the hands of the MILITARY CONTRACTOR. That is ALWAYS the point (except when the point is to get money into the hands of banks, unions, oil companies, drug companies, etc.)

Everything else is just a cover story.

03-29-2012, 04:41 PM
Well thats 1 bullet for approximately each American with the assumption that they might miss. They'll give a couple extra to the crappy shots.

03-29-2012, 04:43 PM
450 million bullets is a lot on the black market, where most if it will surely end up.

John F Kennedy III
03-29-2012, 05:05 PM
Because we won't all lie down.

I know I won't.

03-29-2012, 05:13 PM
Old. 450 million is the maximum size of the contract. Actual quantities purchased yearly under this contract are much lower.

Back in 2009 it was maximum 200 million rounds with Winchester as the supplier.

Here's the free republic thread from then when we were all going to be put in FEMA camps right away: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2407642/posts

03-29-2012, 06:49 PM
This is WHY...

Watch the video, put it together with the G8-G20 behind locked doors barricaded by an army of solders and police as they prepare the monetary system collapse, after huge theft of the Politicians and Banksters through INFLATION. DHS has pushed their code blue practice/implementation along with much more for segmenting America into military zones. Below the YT video is what is happening to the monetary system and a taste of test tube DEPRESSION currently hitting SPAIN, with huge protests in the past 12 hours, 100,000's of protesting in each city across the country. Unemployment is over 25% and increasing. Citizenry is getting pissed at the charade and theft.


100,000's of thousands PROTEST in each city across SPAIN, even though the government has now banned protests.

170.000 manifestantes en Madrid y 275.000 en Barcelona, según cálculos de EL PAÍS


Spanish Economy Disrupted as Unions Strike to Protest Rajoy Cuts
Emma Ross-Thomas, ©2012 Bloomberg News
Thursday, March 29, 2012

(Bloomberg) -- Spanish transport, power demand and manufacturing were disrupted today in the first general strike against labor reforms and austerity policies since Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy took office three months ago.
Iberia, the Spanish unit of International Consolidated Airlines Group SA, said it canceled 65 percent of flights, while national power demand was 16 percent below that of a typical day, grid operator Red Electrica Corp SA data showed. At Volkswagen AG and Renault SA factories, 100 percent of workers followed the strike during the nightshift, the Comisiones Obreras union said in a statement.
The People's Party government "will not cede" to union demands to retract changes to labor rules, Budget Minister Cristobal Montoro said yesterday. Thirty percent of workers planned to strike, according to a poll by El Pais.
While Rajoy's measures have angered unions and undermined support for the party in a regional election on March 25, the government is still struggling to convince investors its policies are enough to restore the public finances and reduce a 23 percent jobless rate. Spanish 10-year borrowing costs have surged almost 50 basis points since the start of March.
"He has no choice," said Antonio Barroso, a political analyst at Eurasia Group in London and a former government pollster. "If he gives in, the markets will punish Spain. Rajoy has his back against the wall."

Bonds Fall
Spanish 10-year bond yields rose to 5.37 percent at 10:45 a.m. in Madrid, compared with 5.33 percent yesterday. The Ibex 35 share index, which has lost 7 percent this year, was unchanged. Fewer Spanish workers are following the general strike than they did in the last walkout in 2010, Cristina Diaz, a director general at the Interior Ministry, told a televised news conference today.
Department stores opened as usual, except in Pamplona, where a violent picket line blocked the entrance to El Corte Ingles, she said. In the automobile industry, participation is "medium-high," while the number of public-sector workers staying home is "not significant," she said.
Unions organized a demonstration in central Madrid at 6:30 p.m. In the El Pais poll, published on March 25, 51 percent of those surveyed said the strike was justified. More than 90 percent of industrial workers and garbage collectors joined the strike, Antonio del Campo, head of organization at Comisiones Obreras union, told a news conference in Madrid.

'Immense Majority'
CEOE, the business lobby, said while industrial workers stayed home more than others, "the immense majority" of Spaniards had gone to work today. State broadcaster RTVE had a reduced service, re-running old documentaries in place of its usual breaking news service.
Police arrested 58 people and nine people were injured lightly in "incidents," Diaz said.
Flights in and out of the country were disrupted. Barcelona, which drew 0-0 at Milan in a Champions League soccer match last night, will remain in Italy until tomorrow to avoid the effects of the strike, a team official said by phone.
At the last general strike in September 2010, which was also called to protest changes to labor rules and austerity measures, 72 percent took part, according to the unions. The former Socialist government said the impact was "moderate," with participation rates ranging from 7.5 percent in the public sector to 100 percent in the automotive industry.
The latest labor overhaul goes further than the attempt by the Socialists to reduce the European Union's highest jobless rate, which amounts to 50 percent among young people. The bill makes it easier to cut wages, reduces unions' negotiating power and allows for lower firing costs.