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Anti Federalist
03-28-2012, 04:04 PM
Liars and goddamn liars.



But for Audio

Wednesday, March 28th, 2012

http://www.theagitator.com/2012/03/28/but-for-audio/

An incidental recording taken while a Florida woman was on the phone with her insurance company shows that the police who arrested her and charged her with a felony for resisting arrest lied in their reports, and then again under questioning.

Here is the cops’ story:

The . . . ordeal began late-afternoon on Oct. 4, when Fernandes, a four-year CSPD veteran with no previous internal affairs complaints on his record, noticed Mait’s Lexus SUV stopped in the left lane of Royal Palm Boulevard.

Fernandes, 35, pulled up behind her vehicle to see what was wrong. Mait approached his car and told him that two of her tires had blown out, and she needed a tow . . .

According to police reports and the officers’ sworn depositions, Mait told Fernandes and later Stasnek, who arrived as backup, that she was on Xanax, and that she couldn’t move the car out of traffic — but that she did want to drive it the two miles to her home.

Before Stasnek pulled up, Fernandes told Mait to call for a tow, which she did from her passenger seat. But as she waited for a GEICO roadside assistance representative to dispatch a wrecker, things unraveled.

When Stasnek, a four-year member of the force with a clean prior record, approached Mait’s SUV, she repeatedly asked for a driver’s license, the tape shows. Mait refused. In her deposition, Stasnek said she warned the driver repeatedly she “would be disobeying my lawful command and would be arrested for resisting my lawful command.”

At some point, Mait put a hand in the officer’s face to dismiss the request, according to police accounts, which was apparently one insult too many.

The officers hauled her out of her car and tried to arrest her, which they claim she resisted by tensing her body and slamming into Stasnek.

The alleged Xanax didn’t show up in toxicology tests.

And then Mait’s attorney got the recording:

The 17-minute recording features a series of exchanges that Catalano says contradict the officers’ sworn testimony, including this back-and-forth between Mait and Stasnek after the female officer asked for ID:

Mait: “Did you not see me on the phone?”

Stasnek: “Did you not see this uniform I have on? Don’t give me any shit right now. Give me your fucking driver’s license.”

During her deposition, Stasnek was asked by Catalano — who did not tell the officers the encounter had been recorded — if she had used those words.

She twice said no.

Catalano also pressed both officers under oath on whether Stasnek had given Mait notice that the driver was disobeying a lawful command. Both officers testified she had — at least twice. The recording catches no such exchange, although it is possible she did during a short stretch when GEICO had Mait on hold.

Late in the recording, while Mait can be heard sobbing in the distance, the officers say the following:

Fernandes: “I didn’t hear anything you said. I was in the back of the car.”

Stasnek: “I did drop the F-bomb.”

Fernandes, laughing: “I didn’t hear that. In my [internal affairs] statement, I’ll say I didn’t hear that. … Don’t worry, I will put everything I heard beforehand.”

If you live in Illinois, you might consider sending this story to those of your state legislators who last week voted down an amendment that would have allowed citizens to record on-duty police officers.

tod evans
03-28-2012, 04:21 PM
Cops must be recorded every minute they are drawing pay.

Especially "undercover" and "raid teams".

This behavior has been out of hand since the '60's and keeps getting worse.

MikeStanart
03-28-2012, 04:47 PM
Anti-Federalist.

You should be making a list; checking it twice...finding out who's naughty or nice. Because karma is a bitch.

Lishy
03-28-2012, 05:06 PM
Why SHOULDN'T we record cops? If there's nothing wrong with their actions, they should have no problems being recorded, officer!

Czolgosz
03-28-2012, 05:19 PM
And this is why they're working hard to intimidate people w/ recording devices.

phill4paul
03-28-2012, 05:28 PM
Every single day, in courtrooms across Amerika, false testimony is given under oath by L.E. It ranges from the little white lie that helps them to bolster their case to out right fabrication. And every single day, in courtrooms across Amerika, judges rule by these utterances as if they were gospel. A citizens testimony is inferior to those that have served the state for (insert number of years in L.E.) with exemplary commendation. STFU Mundane. You might as well. Because the judge ain't listening to your side of the story anyway.

Anti Federalist
03-28-2012, 05:36 PM
There it is, in a nutshell.

Folks, draw your own inferences to the Trayvon Martin case.


Every single day, in courtrooms across Amerika, false testimony is given under oath by L.E. It ranges from the little white lie that helps them to bolster their case to out right fabrication. And every single day, in courtrooms across Amerika, judges rule by these utterances as if they were gospel. A citizens testimony is inferior to those that have served the state for (insert number of years in L.E.) with exemplary commendation. STFU Mundane. You might as well. Because the judge ain't listening to your side of the story anyway.

coastie
03-28-2012, 05:36 PM
But don't you worry, officers-a paid vacation will be your reward while they sort it all out.

These two should be fired, then put in jail. Scum.

Anti Federalist
03-28-2012, 05:42 PM
But don't you worry, officers-a paid vacation will be your reward while they sort it all out.

These two should be fired, then put in jail. Scum.

And had it not been for that GIECO recording, this woman would have...I don't know, what'll resisting arrest and battery on an officer get you in FL these days?

20 years?

phill4paul
03-28-2012, 05:42 PM
But don't you worry, officers-a paid vacation will be your reward while they sort it all out.

These two should be fired, then put in jail. Scum.

Personally, I believe any L.E. caught lying under oath should be sentenced to whatever the guidelines were for the person they were framing. From simple possession to manslaughter, if they are caught lying under oath they get to serve the sentence as it would have been handed down.

coastie
03-28-2012, 05:48 PM
And had it not been for that GIECO recording, this woman would have...I don't know, what'll resisting arrest and battery on an officer get you in FL these days?

20 years?

Not sure, I avoid those bastards like the plague now that I am no longer active LE-although even that didn't get me out of being searched before.<wtf?

But 20 years sounds like a "reasonable" punishment to them-I heard one tell me a few years ago that was local LE and a CG reservist that you should get the DEATH penalty for shooting a police officer-even if the police officer was in the wrong...stew on that.:rolleyes:

Justinfrom1776
03-28-2012, 05:51 PM
I would love to have an internal affairs job.. Policing the police for a living would be great.

coastie
03-28-2012, 05:53 PM
I would love to have an internal affairs job.. Policing the police for a living would be great.

You probably wouldn't live very long if you did your job honestly.

Titus
03-28-2012, 06:16 PM
Justin, you would face a bureaucracy similar to Ron Paul supporters attempting to get delegates.

coastie
03-28-2012, 06:17 PM
Justin, you would face a bureaucracy similar to Ron Paul supporters attempting to get delegates.

Ha, good one....but I'd feel safer doing the RP thing than IA for cops.

aGameOfThrones
03-28-2012, 07:32 PM
What justification did the cop have to request the Driver's license?

Contempt of cop.

Athan
03-29-2012, 09:13 AM
Cops must be recorded every minute they are drawing pay.

Especially "undercover" and "raid teams".

This behavior has been out of hand since the '60's and keeps getting worse.

We are going to have to start wearing hidden wires and hidden cams on our persons in the future with cops.

coastie
03-29-2012, 09:15 AM
We are going to have to start wearing hidden wires and hidden cams on our persons in the future with cops.


Sound advice.

eduardo89
03-29-2012, 09:20 AM
What justification did the cop have to request the Driver's license?

Contempt of cop.

I don't believe they need any. If you are operating a motor vehicle on a public road you must show a license on request.

coastie
03-29-2012, 09:23 AM
I don't believe they need any. If you are operating a motor vehicle on a public road you must show a license on request.

Yes, this. Like it or not, it is what it is.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
03-29-2012, 09:25 AM
I would love to have an internal affairs job.. Policing the police for a living would be great.



I don't think that's what the job entails.

TonySutton
03-29-2012, 09:27 AM
Back in the early 80's there were some accusations regarding the MPs on a small military base acting abusive. The commander of the base ordered all MPs to be fitted with a recording device. They were required to turn the device on every time they were acting in an official capacity. Failure to do so was disobeying a lawful order. Accusations of abuse ceased almost immediately.

coastie
03-29-2012, 09:29 AM
Back in the early 80's there were some accusations regarding the MPs on a small military base acting abusive. The commander of the base ordered all MPs to be fitted with a recording device. They were required to turn the device on every time they were acting in an official capacity. Failure to do so was disobeying a lawful order. Accusations of abuse ceased almost immediately.

Imagine that.

eduardo89
03-29-2012, 09:32 AM
Back in the early 80's there were some accusations regarding the MPs on a small military base acting abusive. The commander of the base ordered all MPs to be fitted with a recording device. They were required to turn the device on every time they were acting in an official capacity. Failure to do so was disobeying a lawful order. Accusations of abuse ceased almost immediately.

Every single cop car needs to be equipped with video and audio recording devices. And all cops should have at least an audio recording device on their person and be forced to turn it on any time they stop someone. All execution of warrants should be filmed.


Imagine that.

Yeah, it's strange. It's almost as if when cops are given free reign, they abuse their power, but when they're being watched they act properly. Who would have though...

aGameOfThrones
03-29-2012, 11:34 AM
I don't believe they need any. If you are operating a motor vehicle on a public road you must show a license on request.

An individual operating or traveling in an automobile does not lose all reasonable expectation of privacy simply because the automobile and its use are subject to government regulation. 25 Automobile travel is a basic, pervasive, and often necessary mode of transportation to and from one's home, workplace, and leisure activities. Many people spend more hours each day traveling in cars than walking on the streets. Undoubtedly, many find a greater sense of security and privacy in traveling in an automobile than they do in exposing themselves by pedestrian or other modes of travel. Were the [440 U.S. 648, 663] * individual subject to unfettered governmental intrusion every time he entered an automobile, the security guaranteed by the Fourth Amendment would be seriously circumscribed. As Terry v. Ohio, supra, recognized, people are not shorn of all Fourth Amendment protection when they step from their homes onto the public sidewalks. Nor are they shorn of those interests when they step from the sidewalks into their automobiles. See Adams v. Williams, 407 U.S. 143, 146 (1972).

VII
Accordingly, we hold that except in those situations in which there is at least articulable and reasonable suspicion that a motorist is unlicensed or that an automobile is not registered, or that either the vehicle or an occupant is otherwise subject to seizure for violation of law, stopping an automobile and detaining the driver in order to check his driver's license and the registration of the automobile are unreasonable under the Fourth Amendment. This holding does not preclude the State of Delaware or other States from developing methods for spot checks that involve less intrusion or that do not involve the unconstrained exercise of discretion. 26 Questioning of all oncoming traffic at roadblock-type stops is one possible alternative. We hold only that persons in automobiles on public roadways may not for that reason alone have their travel and privacy interfered with at the unbridled discretion of police officers. The judgment below is affirmed.- DELAWARE v. PROUSE

eduardo89
03-29-2012, 11:42 AM
Delaware vs Prouse only says that an officer cannt pull you over only to check your license. You do, however, have to, by law, provide a valid operators license whenever a LEO pulls you over lawfully if so requested.

aGameOfThrones
03-29-2012, 11:47 AM
Did the police lawfully pull the citizen over?