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John F Kennedy III
03-26-2012, 12:58 PM
Medieval warming WAS global – new science contradicts IPCC

Lewis Page
The Register
March 25, 2012

More peer-reviewed science contradicting the warming-alarmist “scientific consensus” was announced yesterday, as a new study shows that the well-documented warm period which took place in medieval times was not limited to Europe, or the northern hemisphere: it reached all the way to Antarctica.

The research involved the development of a new means of assessing past temperatures, to add to existing methods such as tree ring analysis and ice cores. In this study, scientists analysed samples of a crystal called ikaite, which forms in cold waters.


“Ikaite is an icy version of limestone,” explains earth-sciences prof Zunli Lu. “The crystals are only stable under cold conditions and actually melt at room temperature.”

Down in the Antarctic peninsula that isn’t a problem, and Lu and his colleagues were able to take samples which had been present for hundreds of years and date their formation. The structure of Ikaite, it turns out, varies measurably depending on the temperature when it forms, allowing boffins to construct an accurate past temperature record.

A proper temperature record for Antarctica is particularly interesting, as it illuminates one of the main debates in global-warming/climate-change: namely, were the so-called Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age merely regional, or were they global events? The medieval warmup experienced by northern Europeans from say 900AD to 1250AD seems to have been at least as hot as anything seen in the industrial era. If it was worldwide in extent that would strongly suggest that global warming may just be something that happens from time to time, not something caused by miniscule concentrations of CO2 (the atmosphere is 0.04 per cent CO2 right now; this figure might climb to 0.07 per cent in the medium term).

The oft-mentioned "scientific consensus", based in large part on the work of famous climate-alarmist scientists Michael Mann and Phil Jones and reflected in the statements of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), says that isn't true. The IPCC consensus is that the medieval warming – and the "Little Ice Age" which followed it – only happened in Europe and maybe some other northern areas. They were local events only, and globally the world was cooler than it is now. The temperature increase seen in the latter half of the 20th century is a new thing caused by humanity's carbon emissions.

Lu and his colleagues' new work, however, indicates that in fact the medieval warm period and little ice age were both felt right down to Antarctica.

“We showed that the Northern European climate events influenced climate conditions in Antarctica,” says the prof, who was at Oxford when most of the work was done but now has a position at Syracuse uni in the States. He and his colleagues write:


This ikaite record qualitatively supports that both the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age extended to the Antarctic Peninsula.

In other words, global warming has already occurred in historical, pre-industrial times, and then gone away again.


article here:
http://www.infowars.com/medieval-warming-was-global-%e2%80%93-new-science-contradicts-ipcc/

originally here:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/23/warm_period_little_ice_age_global/

Origanalist
03-26-2012, 01:01 PM
"In other words, global warming has already occurred in historical, pre-industrial times, and then gone away again."

I don't mean to be snarcky, but "duh".

Pericles
03-26-2012, 01:16 PM
Historians already knew this. The civilizations that left written records all made substantial progress during this period enabled by much better weather that facilitated more robust harvests - leading to greater prosperity.

GrahamUK
03-26-2012, 01:59 PM
Here's an excellent film, very informative...

Global warming has happened at regular intervals throughout the earths history, its been happening since before humans inhabited the planet and will continue to happen long after we are gone.. This film totally destroys the establishments BS that WE, as humans are the cause and that its manmade carbon-dioxide fueling temperature rise..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov0WwtPcALE

onlyrp
03-26-2012, 02:09 PM
Even if it was global, and worse than what is coming, what was the population that depended on cities which were near seas? What were the social safety nets available for those who suffered as a result of bad climate?


The civilizations that left written records all made substantial progress during this period enabled by much better weather that facilitated more robust harvests - leading to greater prosperity.

Civilizations which wrote this were those living in cold climates that were better off with some heat, not so much if you were in Africa. Machine and factory farming of both crops and cattle, as well as increased efficiency in transportation, make that "advantage" not so sexy anymore. The funny thing about people who bring up "prosperity" is, they never define what they mean, and they never claim to want to go back to the lives of the past. If we demanded and consumed just 10% of what we do today (by we, I am speaking of civilized first world countries), we'd still be consuming more than what was available and allowed in the medieval era. So, if we're NOT willing to reduce our consumption lifestyle, it's completely pointless to bring up what happened in the middle ages.

"They survived" is not a standard we live by today. If it was, we'd have 90% of all of our problems "solved" or "ignored" already. Wealth, health, happiness, everything today is materially better than the past, and therefore much easier to fulfill the "survive" criteria if that's all that's asked of.

GrahamUK
03-26-2012, 02:22 PM
Even if it was global, and worse than what is coming, what was the population that depended on cities which were near seas? What were the social safety nets available for those who suffered as a result of bad climate?



Civilizations which wrote this were those living in cold climates that were better off with some heat, not so much if you were in Africa. Machine and factory farming of both crops and cattle, as well as increased efficiency in transportation, make that "advantage" not so sexy anymore. The funny thing about people who bring up "prosperity" is, they never define what they mean, and they never claim to want to go back to the lives of the past. If we demanded and consumed just 10% of what we do today (by we, I am speaking of civilized first world countries), we'd still be consuming more than what was available and allowed in the medieval era. So, if we're NOT willing to reduce our consumption lifestyle, it's completely pointless to bring up what happened in the middle ages.

"They survived" is not a standard we live by today. If it was, we'd have 90% of all of our problems "solved" or "ignored" already. Wealth, health, happiness, everything today is materially better than the past, and therefore much easier to fulfill the "survive" criteria if that's all that's asked of.

There's NO evidence to support the sea level is rising, that's yet another myth. Many oceanographers dispute sea level rises and if carbon-dioxcide truely is fueling 'global warming' then we'd have to cap all the worlds volcano's and under sea vents to reduce it..

John F Kennedy III
03-26-2012, 08:42 PM
Carbon dioxide used to make up 30% of our atmosphere, and the trees did fine. Now is what? .3%? .03%?

onlyrp
03-26-2012, 09:01 PM
Carbon dioxide used to make up 30% of our atmosphere, and the trees did fine. Now is what? .3%? .03%?

Who cares about trees? Trees will do fine, will humans who are so delicate to their possessions do fine?

John F Kennedy III
03-26-2012, 09:05 PM
Who cares about trees? Trees will do fine, will humans who are so delicate to their possessions do fine?

What do possessions have to do with anything?

onlyrp
03-26-2012, 09:14 PM
What do possessions have to do with anything?

you know, when your house, or your house full of possessions get destroyed by hurricanes, are you "just happy I'm still alive"? If so, you'll never worry for the rest of your life, you'll never be in poverty. But I suspect most Americans are not so thankful and appreciative. People today demand a lot more than mere survival, which is why it's stupid to compare our lives to the past or other countries until you level the living condition. If wealth and material belongings are not something worth pursuing, you can trade a lot of what you have today and move to a country to get these "freedoms" that Alex Jones keeps telling you you're losing. But I know you won't, because you want your cake and eat it too. You want a civilized country, comfort, no taxes, and freedom.