VIDEO - BREAKING - St. Charles County - Confessions of a Caucus Subcommittee Chairman

[Liberty Rebellion]

Bryan Spencer Admits to Rigging St. Charles County Caucus



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuQIMfMVMYg

[Suzu]

I'd like to hug the person who filmed this meeting.

[Justinfrom1776]

This prick is running for State Rep in my district.. It should be a fun campaign.

I don't have the credentials to oppose him in the primary, I'm an unemployed electrician.. I will post "Conservatives for "Democrat challenger" signs all over the place though.

[odamn]

WoW!
I wonder who shot the video?
A big THANKS to whoever it was!
Thanks for the post ...

[Wren]

^AMEN! This video is BOMBSHELL that MUST spread! Whoever was covertly filming this, you have all of us to thank for exposing the treacherous actions of the GOP. This video is big FU! to the democratic process. despicable!

[PolicyReader]

Bryan Spencer Admits to Rigging St. Charles County Caucus



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuQIMfMVMYg

^This gets shared

[Constitutional Paulicy]

Don't these guys know when to shut up? They are crucifying themselves. :D

[PolicyReader]

Don't these guys know when to shut up? They are crucifying themselves. :D
I hope the answer remains "no they don't" because the longer they're showing their true colors to the world the better

[sailingaway]

OK, I'll put it on the front page.

[phill4paul]

THIS is what subversion of the will of the people looks like.

[skytoucher]

He's running for office and his campaign wants him to lay low lol

I guess the cats out of the bag now.

This guy have a facebook page/email address? I have some feedback for him.

[sailingaway]

stories on new St Charles caucus for April 10 http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stcharles/new-st-chas-co-gop-caucus-set-for-april/article_9649245e-74ff-11e1-b670-0019bb30f31a.html

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/ba321a06720f4e378c345041ccd3a5fc/MO--Missouri-Canceled-Caucus/

[singe22]

That is just so wrong. Freaking crooks.

[sailingaway]

I would really not snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by bad comments. Remember GA's way of responding to a similar situation where they were caught with their pants down was to suddenly receive 'death threats' from 'Paul supporters'. WE don't want to give them any color to pretend anything like that is happening. We are in the right. They are in the wrong. Video proves it beyond a doubt.

I sent the video to the dailypaul, by the way.

[V3n]

Alert Ben Swann!

[Suzu]

Alert Ben Swann!

Done. With P L E A S U R E

[sailingaway]

Here is a tweet with the video which also advertises the moneybomb, to retweet: https://twitter.com/#!/usernamenuse/status/183267633775386625

[PatriotOne]

Bryan seemed really concerned about Eugene Dokes taking the brunt of the criticism. Don't to worry Bryan, I have a feeling you'll be switch hitting for him now :D.

.....and to the person who shot this video...thank you so much!

[specsaregood]

haha at 3:44 I can't do that because they "think we are in a conspiracy together" lol, really? I wonder where they might have gotten that idea.

[Voluntary Man]

So, what that dork is saying is this:

"Of course it was a conspiracy against Ron Paul. Duh! But those Ron Paul supporters are trying to make it look like a bad conspiracy. We need to spin this so that people come to believe it was a good conspiracy. But, I can't go public, because I'm running for state rep, and if voters discover I was the one pulling Eugenics Jokes' strings, I'll lose my election faster than a Chinaman on knockoff Viagra. So, you fine stooges...er...people have to spin for me."

Is that about it?

You know we need to make sure that wannabe king-maker loses his election; That has to be a priority mission.

http://www.fsbookco.com/POLITICALTRASHING.html

[Romulus]

someone better mirror that vid asap!

[PatriotOne]

This video needs more copies. Only one person has it uploaded. All you youtubers need to download and upload in case this one disappears.

[tod evans]

Whoever shot that gets 10pts!

[Romulus]

Bryan Spencer

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/161103_701840656_1834554491_n.jpg

[bluesc]

I downloaded the video in case it gets taken down for some reason. I recommend other people do too.

[PolicyReader]

someone better mirror that vid asap!


This video needs more copies. Only one person has it uploaded. All you youtubers need to download and upload in case this one disappears.

^^THIS

EDIT:

I downloaded the video in case it gets taken down for some reason. I recommend other people do too.
+rep

[Liberty Rebellion]

He's also a teacher at the high school the caucus was held. It was like his own little kingdom until it crashed down on him lolololol

[Liberty Rebellion]

BTW this is the easily consumed version. He spoke for forty minutes and it's all on video

[specsaregood]

This video needs more copies. Only one person has it uploaded. All you youtubers need to download and upload in case this one disappears.

I've got a copy downloaded just in case. not gonna upload unless it disappears.

[specsaregood]

//

[Voluntary Man]

xx

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

He also implicated "the state" in telling him to keep quiet, which I assume is the state GOP.

[V3n]

Hasn't Rachel Maddow been following this too? Anybody have contact info?

Bad idea? At least she's got a National audience..

(I feel dirty just posting this!)

[ohgodno]

The establishment don't want an active, engaged and informed electorate - shenanigans like this are going to be used as justification for doing away with the caucus system all-together.

The people in charge want american idol style voting - press a button and pray - all the while the crooks laugh all the way to the bank.

We've shown our cards and they don't like that we're winning. We MUST fight against any attempts to move toward direct democracy.

[DerailingDaTrain]

We should Drudge the hell out of this.

[Bruno]

Hasn't Rachel Maddow been following this too? Anybody have contact info?

Bad idea? At least she's got a National audience..

(I feel dirty just posting this!)

Not a bad idea, a very GOOD idea! + rep, and I'm sure those with the contacts for Doug and Ben such as Kathy and Tyler will be sending it their way, too.

[bluesc]

Mirror:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avWwsBUS--s

[Wren]

also reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/rae0q/missouri_caucus_subcommittee_chairman_admits_to/

[JacobSzumniak]

Watching this utterly disgusts me. Whose vote are these guys protecting everyones who didn't vote Ron Paul?

[Merk]

The thing that is killing me is that he is apparently completely clueless that they did anything wrong.

Caucus = GOTV = You win. Their version of a caucus? Front-loaded outcome = fraud and corruption.

[Liberty Rebellion]

This is sweet sweet revenge for me. After the caucus we won in 08, i came here and made some comments under a different username (derdy) and they took those out of context and read them aloud at the Convetion. The also tried to smear me in a local Republican rag. For me this is sweet sweet vengeance. I have been running on adrenaline since this went down last Saturday

Here's my personal account of how 2008 went down

http://www.facebook.com/groups/356191694425993/doc/358493237529172/

[Wren]

The thing that is killing me is that he is apparently completely clueless that they did anything wrong.

Caucus = GOTV = You win. Their version of a caucus? Front-loaded outcome = fraud and corruption.

It's not a lie if you believe it.

war is peace, freedom is slavery.

[Liberty Rebellion]

He knows what he did was wrong. He was the secretary when we won all the delegates in 2008. He knows how a fair caucus operates. He actually stayed most of the 6 hour caucus but got personally offended by someone recommended a platform amendment stating the party was against teachers prescribing medications to students. He got up and stormed out after some back and forth

[maskander]

share on all social networks I have and saved video to harddrive

[Liberty Rebellion]

St. Charles County is a Republican strong hold, the wealthiest county in the state, with 1st or 2nd amount of delegates awarded so it's no wonder the so desperately wanted to win. They had to co-opt the Tea Party. They had to make people get to the caucuses by making the primary non-binding.

in 2008 we won most if not all the delegates from the counties that alotted the most delegates. Jackson and St. Charles. And we did really well elsewhere

this is a State wide effort

[Liberty Rebellion]

Oh I'm starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist!

Oh, wait there is one!

[Muttley]

What a dumb bastard, now your credibility is severely undermined, you will not be a state rep. now, you're finished!

MAN, I bet the guy shooting the vid was beaming inside knowing that we have this POS on the hook with all that gum flapping!

[wistfulthinker]

Another big THANK YOU to the camera person. I'm just floored by how little self awareness this guy has. He doesn't appear to even know what the words he's saying actually mean.

[PolicyReader]

share on all social networks I have and saved video to harddrive
+rep

[carterm]

email wead.

[V3n]

also reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/rae0q/missouri_caucus_subcommittee_chairman_admits_to/

Upvoted & comment

[gerryb]

Google adwords + facebook targeted ad campaign... Both networks have coupons for between $50 and $100...

[Athan]

What a corrupt son of a bitch.

[PatriotOne]

This isn't even up at the Daily Paul yet. Has it been sent to our media contacts? The Ron Paul campaign? Or are we just keeping it to ourselves? lol.

[kathy88]

Petition at change.org to get Bryan and Dokes out

http://www.change.org/petitions/missouri-gop-remove-eugene-dokes-and-bryan-spencer-remove-eugene-dokes-and-bryan-spencer-from-their-positions

[PolicyReader]

This isn't even up at the Daily Paul yet. Has it been sent to our media contacts? The Ron Paul campaign? Or are we just keeping it to ourselves? lol.
Not sure about DP but I tossed off a line to Ben Swann and the Campaign, don't know if either have even gotten the chance to see the messages yet tho.

[Romulus]

"And I would have gotten away with it if it wasnt for you meddling kids!"

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/161103_701840656_1834554491_n.jpg

[PatriotOne]

Not sure about DP but I tossed off a line to Ben Swann and the Campaign, don't know if either have even gotten the chance to see the messages yet tho.

good deal. We need a coordinated effort to spread this. This asshat needs to be exposed and his wanna be politician career stopped in it's tracks. Facebooked, tweeted, viraled, friendly media, etc., etc., etc.

[Tyler_Durden]

Not sure about DP but I tossed off a line to Ben Swann and the Campaign, don't know if either have even gotten the chance to see the messages yet tho.

Thanks Ben. I also sent it to Wead, his Social Media consultant, Ben Swann, and Jack Hunter. Let's see if this thing sprouts wings.....

[kathy88]

It's all over twitter.

[PatriotOne]

"And I would have gotten away with it if it wasnt for you meddling kids!"

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/161103_701840656_1834554491_n.jpg

I wonder if he knows he's about to get more exposure than his campaign donations could ever buy :D.

[NoOneButPaul]

Unfortunately I think a lot of people are going to take sympathy with their position...

The fact is Ron Paul got 3rd in the straw vote and when all was said and done he was in a position to perhaps win Missouri in delegates, I don't find anything wrong with the representative system we have in the caucus system but the media will not spin it that way.

This supposedly smoking gun could end up being the thing that causes the media to go on their eventual "Ron Paul's people are stealing the election from Americans" spree.

He's basically saying they were trying to stop Ron Paul's people from letting Paul get more delegates than he should have based on the straw vote, I disagree with him but I think most Americans don't.

Most Americans will say its not fair we inflate our delegate totals based on better organization and intelligence.

Most Americans will sympathize with the people who were "trying to stop Ron Paul from winning something he finished 3rd in."

I'm glad we have this, but don't count on it increasing our numbers any... if this election has shown me anything its that the majority of people are still asleep, even if the number of people waking up is growing at an uncontrollable pace.

[francisco]

Unfortunately I think a lot of people are going to take sympathy with their position...

The fact is Ron Paul got 3rd in the straw vote and when all was said and done he was in a position to perhaps win Missouri, I don't find anything wrong with the representative system we have but the media will not spin it that way.

This supposedly smoking gun could end up being the thing that causes the media to go on their eventual "Ron Paul's people are stealing the election from Americans" spree.

He's basically saying they were trying to stop Ron Paul's people from letting Paul get more delegates than he should have based on the straw vote, I disagree with him but I think most Americans don't.

You are unfortunately correct.

[Tiso0770]

Great Video!!!!!...

Downloaded and saved. let it go Viral, we must get it out before MSM spins it.

[PatriotOne]

Someone want to send it to BobMcCartyWrites@gmail.com.

http://bobmccarty.com/

How about Jamie Allman? He's the one who interviewed the initial whistleblower.

[sailingaway]

Unfortunately I think a lot of people are going to take sympathy with their position...

The fact is Ron Paul got 3rd in the straw vote and when all was said and done he was in a position to perhaps win Missouri in delegates, I don't find anything wrong with the representative system we have in the caucus system but the media will not spin it that way.

This supposedly smoking gun could end up being the thing that causes the media to go on their eventual "Ron Paul's people are stealing the election from Americans" spree.

He's basically saying they were trying to stop Ron Paul's people from letting Paul get more delegates than he should have based on the straw vote, I disagree with him but I think most Americans don't.

Most Americans will say its not fair we inflate our delegate totals based on better organization and intelligence.

Most Americans will sympathize with the people who were "trying to stop Ron Paul from winning something he finished 3rd in."

I'm glad we have this, but don't count on it increasing our numbers any... if this election has shown me anything its like the majority of people are still asleep, even if the number of people waking up is growing at an uncontrollable pace.

We have to remind people that Santorum was the ONLY ONE who campaigned before the primary specifically because he had no chance in NV, and because MO, in order not to have its delegates cut in half, divorced the caucuses where delegates are chosen COMPLETELY from the primary. So only the caucuses mattered. So retroactively trying to 'enforce' the primary result they liked, after no one else competed for that is NOT fair.

[sailingaway]

You are unfortunately correct.

they wrote the rules this way on purpose. They have to follow their own rules.

[sailingaway]

This isn't even up at the Daily Paul yet. Has it been sent to our media contacts? The Ron Paul campaign? Or are we just keeping it to ourselves? lol.

It is at the daily paul but not on the front page. I sent it directly too, but they just encouraged me to post it. When Michael sees it he might embed it.

[rockandrollsouls]

This is why we are a republic....so the motivated and liberty minded individuals can prevent the coup of a manipulated and uneducated majority.

Unfortunately, most people will not see it that way. All that matters to the bulk of the public is that you are at least aged 18 and your majority vote counts.

Not how it works and for good reason.


You are unfortunately correct.

[PatriotOne]

Unfortunately I think a lot of people are going to take sympathy with their position...

The fact is Ron Paul got 3rd in the straw vote and when all was said and done he was in a position to perhaps win Missouri in delegates, I don't find anything wrong with the representative system we have in the caucus system but the media will not spin it that way.

This supposedly smoking gun could end up being the thing that causes the media to go on their eventual "Ron Paul's people are stealing the election from Americans" spree.

He's basically saying they were trying to stop Ron Paul's people from letting Paul get more delegates than he should have based on the straw vote, I disagree with him but I think most Americans don't.

Most Americans will say its not fair we inflate our delegate totals based on better organization and intelligence.

Most Americans will sympathize with the people who were "trying to stop Ron Paul from winning something he finished 3rd in."

I'm glad we have this, but don't count on it increasing our numbers any... if this election has shown me anything its that the majority of people are still asleep, even if the number of people waking up is growing at an uncontrollable pace.

This isn't about getting more people to vote for RP, it's about scaring the crap out of those GOP gatekeepers holding fraudulent elections

[Justinfrom1776]

This isn't about getting more people to vote for RP, it's about scaring the crap out of those GOP gatekeepers holding fraudulent elections

Sure, but I'm using it as a means to GOTV of the soft supporters I've been working on around here for months.. This story is raising awareness to the crooks in charge and if more people come out for Paul because of it, great.

[RDM]

I got it up on SodaHead. http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/video---breaking-news---bryan-spencer-admits-to-rigging-st-charles-county-missouri-caucus/question-2536389/

[PolicyReader]

While the media may spin this against Paul (:eek: surprise :eek: :rolleyes:) it's still A) the truth of what happened so that's good :) and B) at least it'd be the media admitting Paul is racking up more delegates than they've been reporting (their projections are so bad)

[PolicyReader]

Sure, but I'm using it as a means to GOTV of the soft supporters I've been working on around here for months.. This story is raising awareness to the crooks in charge and if more people come out for Paul because of it, great.
+rep

[PatriotOne]

Sure, but I'm using it as a means to GOTV of the soft supporters I've been working on around here for months.. This story is raising awareness to the crooks in charge and if more people come out for Paul because of it, great.

I support however this can be used to our advantage :cool:.

[RDM]

Got it up on DIGG also. http://digg.com/news/politics/bryan_spencer_speaks_about_rigging_st_charles_miss ouri_caucus

[PatriotOne]

It's all over twitter.

When I search ron paul on twitter I don't see anything about this. Though a twitter search on Bryan Spencer does seem to be popular :cool:

[trey4sports]

Bryan Spencer is absolutely pathetic.

[Thor]

Unfortunately I think a lot of people are going to take sympathy with their position...

The fact is Ron Paul got 3rd in the straw vote and when all was said and done he was in a position to perhaps win Missouri in delegates, I don't find anything wrong with the representative system we have in the caucus system but the media will not spin it that way.

This supposedly smoking gun could end up being the thing that causes the media to go on their eventual "Ron Paul's people are stealing the election from Americans" spree.

He's basically saying they were trying to stop Ron Paul's people from letting Paul get more delegates than he should have based on the straw vote, I disagree with him but I think most Americans don't.

Most Americans will say its not fair we inflate our delegate totals based on better organization and intelligence.

Most Americans will sympathize with the people who were "trying to stop Ron Paul from winning something he finished 3rd in."

I'm glad we have this, but don't count on it increasing our numbers any... if this election has shown me anything its that the majority of people are still asleep, even if the number of people waking up is growing at an uncontrollable pace.

"I looked at Iowa, I looked at Maine, I looked at Nebraska and saw how they did it...." Did what? Stole votes from RP? Reported lower numbers than he actually got? Road blocked RP supporters? Tried to manipulate the MSM reportings so it looks like RP is not doing that well, hoping to hurt his chances in future states? Did we really come in 3rd? Maybe, probably, but what did Iowa, and Maine and Nebraska have to do with that?

Maybe if true and accurate numbers were reported in early states, some fence sitters would be voting RP now in these later states. But they "did it". So now we are "doing it" by their rules, and they are mad.

But, yeah, Joe 6 pack will think they are "doin' right" by attempting to manipulate the results against this massive wave of Ron Paul supporters. And Joe 6 pack does not even know why it is "right", but it must be.

[Romulus]

I liked how he said, that he didn't want the media at the caucus at all... 'they' like to keep those things hidden.

sorry, that isnt' going to backfire.. people are fed up with this crony crap.

[JacobSzumniak]

Just got Ben Swann to post this on Facebook!!! Woot Winning!

https://www.facebook.com/BenSwannRealityCheck

[JJ2]

He also implicated "the state" in telling him to keep quiet, which I assume is the state GOP.

THIS! I was just going to post about that. He is admitting that the state GOP is behind/endorsing the St. Charles County GOP's efforts to "stop Ron Paul"!

This is HUGE, people. It's not just about Spencer/Dokes/St. Charles--he is implicating the entire Missouri GOP in this! We must spread this!

[alucard13mmfmj]

This guy is a teacher at that high school? So he flunks or gives F to kids that cheat, yet he is cheating right now. How marvelous.

send it to judge nap for good measure ^^.

[Thor]

THIS! I was just going to post about that. He is admitting that the state GOP is behind/endorsing the St. Charles County GOP's efforts to "stop Ron Paul"!

This is HUGE, people. It's not just about Spencer/Dokes/St. Charles--he is implicating the entire Missouri GOP in this! We must spread this!

And along those same lines... "I looked at Iowa, I looked at Maine, I looked at Nebraska and saw how they did it...." Did what? Did he get pointers from the other state GOP offices?

[JJ2]

DRUDGE the video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuQIMfMVMYg

Also, be sure to thumbs up the top comments.

[DerailingDaTrain]

This guy is a teacher at that high school? So he flunks or gives F to kids that cheat, yet he is cheating right now. How marvelous.

send it to judge nap for good measure ^^.

Some kid should say "No! I was cheating to stop Jimmy from cheating! He's a Ron Paul supporter so it's ok!"

[whippoorwill]

I tweeted Maddow!

[PolicyReader]

Sorry if this is already up and I missed it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw4DZUJ5d2M

[ohgodno]

The issue is this:
People think we live in a democracy.

The poster earlier was correct that Ron Paul supporters will come out looking like we've stolen delegates—this is how it will be portrayed. This will be the narrative. Rachel Maddow intimated this already.

We've been conditioned taught in this country to believe what matters is that we pull a lever for who we want and go home - the popular vote is what matters.

Revealing that this really doesn't matter could be very, very bad. The lazy average american that does not have time (because they have to work so hard to scarpe by with their forever depreciating FRNs) to get involved in the actual process.

My gut is telling me this will be a net negative and an unstoppable movement will roll over us - implementing a direct democratic system. A system where a small, vocal, engaged and educated minority will have NO CHANCE in affecting any change, ever.

Basically I fear this could be one of our last chances to make something happen.

[alucard13mmfmj]

The issue is this:
People think we live in a democracy.

The poster earlier was correct that Ron Paul supporters will come out looking like we've stolen delegates—this is how it will be portrayed. This will be the narrative. Rachel Maddow intimated this already.

We've been conditioned taught in this country to believe what matters is that we pull a lever for who we want and go home - the popular vote is what matters.

Revealing that this really doesn't matter could be very, very bad. The lazy average american that does not have time (because they have to work so hard to scarpe by with their forever depreciating FRNs) to get involved in the actual process.

My gut is telling me this will be a net negative and an unstoppable movement will roll over us - implementing a direct democratic system. A system where a small, vocal, engaged and educated minority will have NO CHANCE in affecting any change, ever.

Basically I fear this could be one of our last chances to make something happen.

i'd like to see how they spin it ;3... i am quite curious.

[rockandrollsouls]

Bingo. Probably what the 2 major parties want to happen....the only way to make us irrelevant.


The issue is this:
People think we live in a democracy.

The poster earlier was correct that Ron Paul supporters will come out looking like we've stolen delegates—this is how it will be portrayed. This will be the narrative. Rachel Maddow intimated this already.

We've been conditioned taught in this country to believe what matters is that we pull a lever for who we want and go home - the popular vote is what matters.

Revealing that this really doesn't matter could be very, very bad. The lazy average american that does not have time (because they have to work so hard to scarpe by with their forever depreciating FRNs) to get involved in the actual process.

My gut is telling me this will be a net negative and an unstoppable movement will roll over us - implementing a direct democratic system. A system where a small, vocal, engaged and educated minority will have NO CHANCE in affecting any change, ever.

Basically I fear this could be one of our last chances to make something happen.

[TheGrinch]

The issue is this:
People think we live in a democracy.

The poster earlier was correct that Ron Paul supporters will come out looking like we've stolen delegates—this is how it will be portrayed. This will be the narrative. Rachel Maddow intimated this already.

We've been conditioned taught in this country to believe what matters is that we pull a lever for who we want and go home - the popular vote is what matters.

Revealing that this really doesn't matter could be very, very bad. The lazy average american that does not have time (because they have to work so hard to scarpe by with their forever depreciating FRNs) to get involved in the actual process.

My gut is telling me this will be a net negative and an unstoppable movement will roll over us - implementing a direct democratic system. A system where a small, vocal, engaged and educated minority will have NO CHANCE in affecting any change, ever.

Basically I fear this could be one of our last chances to make something happen.
The media does not write the narrative unless we let them. It's not liek tihs one is even hard for us to dispute and put egg on their face..

If someone says that what Paul supporters are doing is underhanded, then you tell them that the delegate system was set up so the establishments of both parties can disregard the voters' voice and put the ultimate decision in the delegates hands.... All the voters who the delegate process are undermining should be on our side, when the GOP is now not only taking away the voice of the people with their rules, they're now refusing to even follow rules if it gives the voice back to the people (i.e., a majority).

I mean, it's not like it's some big secret that the electoral college is designed to override the will of the popular vote. It's long been that way.

[Liberty Rebellion]

The disenfranchised a large group of active Republicans in our county. The truth HAS to get out there for no other reason than to cuonter the bullshit they are spreading.. We have a dedicated FB group of people that were disenfranchised by these dbags and it is a beehive. We all comment on articles, respond to commentors, and share our experiences. This video, along with the full caucus video, goes a long way in helping us locally. We have already grown stronger with our neighbors through this despite not supporting the same candidate. A lot of good can come of that!

[PolicyReader]

Basically I fear this could be one of our last chances to make something happen.

That's what 2012 has been ever since 2010, it's why I :toady:twitch:toady: every time I hear talk about "getting the VP slot" and "using 2012 to build the movement for 2016"

[alucard13mmfmj]

those old ladies in the video... are they going with this?...

[rockandrollsouls]

This. Make sure they see those two videos. Grow stronger in your community and don't let state and national party agendas tell you how to vote. That's what they should be afraid of.


The disenfranchised a large group of active Republicans in our county. The truth HAS to get out there for no other reason than to cuonter the bullshit they are spreading.. We have a dedicated FB group of people that were disenfranchised by these dbags and it is a beehive. We all comment on articles, respond to commentors, and share our experiences. This video, along with the full caucus video, goes a long way in helping us locally. We have already grown stronger with our neighbors through this despite not supporting the same candidate. A lot of good can come of that!

[PolicyReader]

"And I would have gotten away with it if it wasnt for you meddling kids!"

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/161103_701840656_1834554491_n.jpg
lmao +rep

[Liberty Rebellion]

those old ladies in the video... are they going with this?...


Some were other central committee members. They were at this club

http://www.pachyderms.org/index.php

Their normal meetings are on Friday, the video was taken on Monday. Must have been an emergency meeting

[PatriotOne]

Just got Ben Swann to post this on Facebook!!! Woot Winning!

https://www.facebook.com/BenSwannRealityCheck

Excellent!

Ben Swann WXIX
Won't have time to get to this before the weekend but no reason to sit on it. 2 big audio clips emerging on the Missouri issue. Check out this clip as a member of the Missouri GOP leadership explains how Eugene Dokes WAS trying to change the rules and stop the correct delegate process.. but this guy, Bryan Spencer thinks it was a good thing. Really? The best part, if I understand correctly, Spencer and Dokes are both running for State Rep seats. Good luck Missouri!

Bryan Spencer Speaks about Rigging St. Charles Caucus
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Bryan Spencer, St. Charles County Republican Central Committeeman and Caucus Subcommittee Chairman, admits to premeditated rigging of the St. Charles County .....

[PolicyReader]

Thanks Ben. I also sent it to Wead, his Social Media consultant, Ben Swann, and Jack Hunter. Let's see if this thing sprouts wings.....
You're welcome Ben, I also put a copy up on our his facebook too, it's up as a post on the main page now.

[ohgodno]

Bingo. Probably what the 2 major parties want to happen....the only way to make us irrelevant.

You're right.

It's important to know the reason WHY we have elections the way we do. We need to relate the understanding to people that fight for a popular vote that this process is to protect the right of the minority.

The challenge is changing the minds of the public that has ALWAYS heard majority rule is the best thing since sliced bread.

[ohgodno]

…the delegate system was set up so the establishments of both parties can disregard the voters' voice and put the ultimate decision in the delegates hands.... All the voters who the delegate process are undermining should be on our side, when the GOP is now not only taking away the voice of the people with their rules, they're now refusing to even follow rules if it gives the voice back to the people (i.e., a majority).

I mean, it's not like it's some big secret that the electoral college is designed to override the will of the popular vote. It's long been that way.

That attitude is playing into the hands of the people that WANT direct democracy. We're in a republic for a reason - this is a good thing.

We DO NOT want a majority rule - at least I do not. I, for one, do not need 51% of the people voting to take away my liberties. We're fighting to protect our liberty, democracy is the antithesis of liberty—it's tyranny of the majority.

Democracy SOUNDS great - oh its simple - more people want it - we get it. This is a TRAP. If we think the media have manipulated the public now - wait until we're all voting on machines and hoping we get the outcome we want.

Transparant caucuses are the way to go - the delegate system is great - it may be working against us in some places - but in many it is working as planned. It is PREVENTING ill-informed people from taking over.

[JJ2]

Thanks Ben. I also sent it to Wead, his Social Media consultant, Ben Swann, and Jack Hunter. Let's see if this thing sprouts wings.....

So far, the campaign has been willing to attack the media but not the GOP for their shenanigans. Hopefully they will realize they have nothing to lose and post this video on the official campaign website!

[alucard13mmfmj]

the majority of the tyranny of popular vote =P.... sometimes direct democracy does not work when the population is ill-informed or easily manipulated. funny how we are exporting democracy to places like afghanistan and iraq... when it seems to have major flaws in it. Human's lived without democracy for a long time, under kings.. emperors, queens.. and dictators. i welcome democracy, but not when people vote irresponsibly.

[slamhead]

Where was this recorded? Was it in a public building? Did the person have an expectation of privacy? I just checked the Missouri wiretap laws and the recorder may be in violation. I would hope that you protect yourself as you know they will be coming after you for this coup. Great job though.

[kathy88]

BTW this is the easily consumed version. He spoke for forty minutes and it's all on video

I got 30 bucks for a copy of the whole thing. Let's sell them and donate the cash to REVPAC.

[EndTheFed]

And along those same lines... "I looked at Iowa, I looked at Maine, I looked at Nebraska and saw how they did it...." Did what? Did he get pointers from the other state GOP offices?

^^^^^^^^^ THIS!!!!! ^^^^^^^^ THIS!!!!!

[gte811i]

the majority of the tyranny of popular vote =P.... sometimes direct democracy does not work when the population is ill-informed or easily manipulated. funny how we are exporting democracy to places like afghanistan and iraq... when it seems to have major flaws in it. Human's lived without democracy for a long time, under kings.. emperors, queens.. and dictators. i welcome democracy, but not when people vote irresponsibly.

I used to think only those who pay taxes should be able to vote. Really that is what politicians do determine how to spend tax money, so the only ones who should have a say should be those who are taxed. The more I think about it though, the more I really like the caucus system. It takes time, energy and dedication - basically people who have a vested interest in seeing it done right.

I don't know what the right answer is, but I think someone (forget who) said democracy is like 2 wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.

[Tiso0770]

I got 30 bucks for a copy of the whole thing. Let's sell them and donate the cash to REVPAC.

;):D

[alucard13mmfmj]

I used to think only those who pay taxes should be able to vote. Really that is what politicians do determine how to spend tax money, so the only ones who should have a say should be those who are taxed. The more I think about it though, the more I really like the caucus system. It takes time, energy and dedication - basically people who have a vested interest in seeing it done right.

I don't know what the right answer is, but I think someone (forget who) said democracy is like 2 wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.

Perhaps we should spread "republic" instead lol.

[ohgodno]

… but I think someone (forget who) said democracy is like 2 wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.

That quote was attributed to Ben Franklin I believe:
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

Democrazy is more like it.

[MisfitToy]

Stop selling a spin. We aren't the ones stealing delegates, THEY are. We're doing what we're supposed to be doing.

[PolicyReader]

BTW this is the easily consumed version. He spoke for forty minutes and it's all on video
Know anyone with a copy that can forward it to Ben Swann? There's a post about this one up on his facebook and he says he won't have the chance to get to this until the weekend, plenty of time to watch a more detailed version I think ;)

[PatriotOne]

Cracks me up at the end where he's telling those people they need to get on facebook, etc., to defend Dokes. From the looks of that one lady, the people in that room have a collective age of a T-Rex skeleton and are probably still wondering what a 'facebook" is.

[TheGrinch]

That attitude is playing into the hands of the people that WANT direct democracy. We're in a republic for a reason - this is a good thing.

We DO NOT want a majority rule - at least I do not. I, for one, do not need 51% of the people voting to take away my liberties. We're fighting to protect our liberty, democracy is the antithesis of liberty—it's tyranny of the majority.

Democracy SOUNDS great - oh its simple - more people want it - we get it. This is a TRAP. If we think the media have manipulated the public now - wait until we're all voting on machines and hoping we get the outcome we want.

Transparant caucuses are the way to go - the delegate system is great - it may be working against us in some places - but in many it is working as planned. It is PREVENTING ill-informed people from taking over.
I have no idea what you're going on about... All I was talknig about is that it's not a "net negative" and thus not worth pursuing as you seem to imply..

I have no idea what you intend to accomplish with these irrelevant theoretical ideas, but it has nothing to do with the fact that exposing a GOP, not jsut fraud, but actual conspiracy is worth any little sppeedbumps we may hit along the way... The alternative is to do nothing out of fear of backlash, and that simply is not nearly a good enough reason not expose a statewide conspiracy to disenfranchise delegates.

If you cna show that it's more than jsut "incompetence", but actual corruptino that the caucuses expose, then it makes it all that much harder for them to push for voting machines ,when it's clear the problem isn't the caucuses, it's the ones running them.

[specsaregood]

Where was this recorded? Was it in a public building? Did the person have an expectation of privacy? I just checked the Missouri wiretap laws and the recorder may be in violation. I would hope that you protect yourself as you know they will be coming after you for this coup. Great job though.

I see nothing indicating that missouri is an all-parties consent state. As long as the person recording it knew it was recording then they are good to go.

[ohgodno]

If you can show that it's more than jsut "incompetence", but actual corruptino that the caucuses expose, then it makes it all that much harder for them to push for voting machines ,when it's clear the problem isn't the caucuses, it's the ones running them.

I think we're saying the same thing - I want corruption to be exposed. The great thing about the caucuses is they're transparant.

I'm just fearful that a push will be made for popular vote rather than caucus because of a common belief in the fallacy that there is less corruption with a voting machine.

[opinionatedfool]

Let's send this to the ACLU. Send it to the Eastern Missouri branch. I posted some ACLU contact information earlier and I just an email from them saying that branch doesn't have jurisdiction in St. Charles county.

[kathy88]

Liberty Rebellion please read your pms.

Thanks,

Kathy

[rich34]

I just fear where the ACLU don't sit well with the gop it could backfire, but if they're the only ones that can blow this wide open so be it.

[Gravik]

Got it to Ben Swann

http://i39.tinypic.com/r25l61.png

[Liberty Rebellion]

Can we call this one #caucusgate

It was suggested on our group

[opinionatedfool]

I emailed it to Doug Wead and my state coordinator. Hopefully they put it up on the web site or at least the Ron Paul Facebook.

[Voluntary Man]

Cracks me up at the end where he's telling those people they need to get on facebook, etc., to defend Dokes. From the looks of that one lady, the people in that room have a collective age of a T-Rex skeleton and are probably still wondering what a 'facebook" is.

Spencer's only interest in defending his stooge Dokes is that Eugene has been providing cover for him. Spencer knows that, if Dokes keeps getting flack and cracks, Spencer is exposed as his puppeteer. Nice job of outing yourself, Bryan. If my kid was one of your students, I'd....

[RonPaulRules]

Drudge it.

[PatriotOne]

You guys should see what Dave Aiello is posting on Spencers facebook.....here's an example:

Citizens for Spencer (Bryan Spencer handle) Today was the caucus. It was a sad day. Four years ago, I attended the caucus as just Joe Citizen. I was upset about the lack of respect for the average citizen by the people claiming to be Republican but are truly not. I saw and decid...ed that if you really want to make a difference; get more involved. So I did. And I will continue to work to make a difference. My job was just to organize the caucus. If people looked at the set up of the caucus that was posted, they would of seen that it was designed to be proportional and allow everyone to have a voice. I wanted it to be fair and have integrity, but different camps had different ideas. Plotting to stifle one voice or another by political trickery and acting poorly. To be fair, I asked members from different Republican organizations in St. Charles to have a part of the caucus. I wanted a variety of voices. (On a side note, I personally don't care who the R candidate is, I like and dislike something from each of them. I will vote for whomever gets the nomination.) Once I turn over the floor to the SCCRCC my job was done. I do believe that the people who were directly involved had the best intentions and had no side agenda. I will continue to support them in whatever ventures that they wish work torwards. Safety was a concern and when the offiicer said shut it down, we did. I know that I did my best and cannot control the actions of others. Edited and skewed clips are not an accurate insight to who I am. The people who know me will continue to support me because I am a man that has integrity, and works hard for others. Edited and skewed clips are not an accurate insight to who I am.See More


Dave Aiello No side agenda.. Hm.. I think there's a new video going viral today that shows otherwise.. I'm sure you'll see it shortly. The video is of a statist theocrat (non-republican) at some meeting stating that their goal was to ram through their... own slate of delegates without a vote, disregarding Robert's Rules of order, and making sure that one candidate's supporters couldn't follow THE RULES to win a majority of delegates.. And when it became evident that their candidate wasn't going to win, they made sure that no one else's could win either. This was clearly a person claiming to be a republican, for limited government, but is truly not.See More
19 minutes ago..

Check out his other ones also.

[PatriotOne]

Citizens for Spencer
Yesterday.Yesterday I met with the People First Group and had an excellent chat with the members, I also had great response going door to door. Today, I had a meeting with the Mo GOP, and it went very well. The rest of the day, I am relaxing. I need to day to spend putting my house in order. Tomorrow back at the door to door campaign...hopeing it won't rain.

Dave Aiello I think you may soon find out that the meeting didn't go as well as you may have thought.
25 minutes ago..

[PatriotOne]

Citizens for Spencer
Rain cut the door to door campaign short.

Dave Aiello Maybe it was a sign...
26 minutes ago..

[PatriotOne]

Dave Aiello
Honesty. Integrity. Bryan Spencer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OuQIMfMVMYg

21 minutes ago.

[francisco]

the majority of the tyranny of popular vote =P.... sometimes direct democracy does not work when the population is ill-informed or easily manipulated. funny how we are exporting democracy to places like afghanistan and iraq... when it seems to have major flaws in it. Human's lived without democracy for a long time, under kings.. emperors, queens.. and dictators. i welcome democracy, but not when people vote irresponsibly.

Doesn't even take the majority to be ill-informed or easily manipulated. Think about slavery in the pre-Civil War era, or more recently the segregated society in the South in the Jim Crow era. A majority will frequently use it's power of numbers to oppress a minority, for its own economic or social benefit.

What's near to be happening in own times is the group of those who receive government benefits in excess of what they pay in--they will always vote for more free stuff, more tax and spend, more government--becoming an absolute majority of voters.

[kathy88]

I think we're saying the same thing - I want corruption to be exposed. The great thing about the caucuses is they're transparant.

I'm just fearful that a push will be made for popular vote rather than caucus because of a common belief in the fallacy that there is less corruption with a voting machine.

Hopefully we will blow the lid off that before Tampa as well.

[falstaffpac]

Its a shame this had to break on a Friday afternoon.

[RonPaulIsGreat]

Well, I e-mailed it, to 5 different news outlets so far. I guess we'll see if any of them care enough to show it.

[Cap]

Send this to Mike Church also.

[kathy88]

Send this to Mike Church also.

ABSOLUTELY. Good call.

[Liberty Rebellion]

http://bobmccarty.com/2012/03/23/media-coverage-of-gop-caucus-fallout-widens/

[Justinfrom1776]

Its a shame this had to break on a Friday afternoon.

Are you in the City of St. Louis? If so, get to your caucus tomorrow morning.

Here is the link to the St. Louis group on Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/stlouis4ronpaul/

[PatriotOne]

Sent to Jaime Allman and Bob McCarty. They both got it up now also.

http://bobmccarty.com/

http://en-gb.facebook.com/people/Jamie-Allman/1356432408

[devil21]

The St Charles do-over caucus has been set for April 10 at 7pm! Spread the word. Will this Spencer schmuck be there?

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stcharles/9649245e-74ff-11e1-b670-0019bb30f31a.html




A second St. Charles County countywide Republican caucus will be held at 7 p.m. April 10 at the St. Charles Convention Center, the state GOP announced Friday.

GOP State Chairman David Cole will serve as temporary chairman instead of Eugene Dokes, the county GOP committee chairman.

The session will replace the caucus held last Saturday which disbanded without any delegates selected amid boisterous disputes over caucus rules.

Recording devices will be permitted, the state party said. A ban on audio and video equipment imposed by county caucus organizers Saturday was a major point of dispute.

"The state party has the authority to call a new caucus and we have chosen to do just that," Cole told reporters in a conference call Friday morning.

Cole declined to give his opinion on who was to blame for the problems at Saturday's event in the gym at Francis Howell North High School in St. Peters.

"We're not here to point fingers," Cole said. "We just want to make sure this process works" and St. Charles County has a voice in the delegate-selection process.

more at link

[PatriotOne]

http://bobmccarty.com/2012/03/23/media-coverage-of-gop-caucus-fallout-widens/

Can you check Allman's facebook wall. I sent it to him also but I don't facebook and can't see his wall.

http://en-gb.facebook.com/people/Jam...man/1356432408

[PatriotOne]

The St Charles do-over caucus has been set for April 10 at 7pm! Spread the word. Will this Spencer schmuck be there?

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stcharles/9649245e-74ff-11e1-b670-0019bb30f31a.html

Pretty sure he is going to be sick that day.

[Cap]

Mike Church's e-mail address.

kingdude@mikechurch.com

[Liberty Rebellion]

Can you check Allman's facebook wall. I sent it to him also but I don't facebook and can't see his wall.

http://en-gb.facebook.com/people/Jam...man/1356432408

I'm friends with Jamie and he was one of the first people to get it and posted it

[falstaffpac]

Are you in the City of St. Louis? If so, get to your caucus tomorrow morning.

Regrettably, I am not in St. Louis City. I caucused last Saturday in the county. I did send an email to an editor of STLToday.com (online St. Louis newspaper, associated with the St. Louis Post-Dispatch) with the important hyperlinks so they can cover the story.

Aaron

[PatriotOne]

I'm friends with Jamie and he was one of the first people to get it and posted it

+ rep to ya :)

[awake]

He did all this "to protect you". He will do well in government.

[PatriotOne]

Vid sent to the St Charles Patch.

http://stcharles.patch.com/

What newspapers covers this county?

[robert9712000]

how about emailing the video to the local tv stations?

[PatriotOne]

how about emailing the video to the local tv stations?

We should. Who covers that county? hmmmmmmm

[r3volution]

aww , he cheated because we followed the rules . i wonder if the Romans felt "crucified" after the whole Jesus blow-back thing like these establishment guys .

[justatrey]

Mike Church's e-mail address.

kingdude@mikechurch.com

I honestly don't even know who he is, but I emailed him :)

[FindLiberty]

LIKED.

I just watched the OP video... Wow, that confession was a Hell fire smokin' one!

It will be interesting (and telling) if the MSM keeps it hidden (and/or more "RP-disrupt" spun).

[Suzu]

I honestly don't even know who he is, but I emailed him :)
You're missing out! He's Tom Woods' favorite radio talk show host. www.mikechurch.com

[JorgeStevenson]

When Spencer teaches, he grades his students' final exams based on a general feeling he has about their relative aptitude, rather than on whether they got the questions right or wrong.

[Tyler_Durden]

Not a bad idea, a very GOOD idea! + rep, and I'm sure those with the contacts for Doug and Ben such as Kathy and Tyler will be sending it their way, too.

Doug responded confirming he placed the video on his blog.

[justatrey]

You're missing out! He's Tom Woods' favorite radio talk show host. www.mikechurch.com

Oh wow, on Sirius huh? I'll update my subscription because I have the "music only" package right now. Thanks!

[Bruno]

Doug responded confirming he placed the video on his blog.

+ rep, nice work!

There's a thread with that article, I sent it to Drudge.

[kathy88]

You're missing out! He's Tom Woods' favorite radio talk show host. www.mikechurch.com

Church is fab. The only one left on Patriot Channel on Sirius that will dare utter the name Ron Paul. And does so often. In a "wtf is wrong with you people kinda way."

[rb3b3]

the GOOD: state gop caught redhanded, exposing fraud at the highest level!!!!! the entire state gop is involved!!!!!!!!! MEDIA HAS TO REPORT THIS GIGANTIC STORY!!! WE ALL KNOW THEY WONT!!! please tell everyone you know about this video, tell them the media are frauds as well, then tell them if the msm are not frauds, they would be reporting this on every single station!! this will also proove to everyone that they can no longer trust the media!!!!!!!! slowly but surely we are exposing the msm as the frauds they are!!!!!!!

the BAD: now that this video is out, it will be very very tough to go undercover again and expose more fraud, but maybe this is enough???

[slamhead]

I was thinking. We should spread this video with the meme Santorum supporting GOP members try to disenfranchise Romney supporters. Only then will the media report this.

[TIMB0B]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUOQiMLWXEs&feature=g-all-lik&context=G268935fFAAAAAAAADAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUOQiMLWXEs&feature=g-all-lik&context=G268935fFAAAAAAAADAA

[Carson]

Hasn't Rachel Maddow been following this too? Anybody have contact info?

Bad idea? At least she's got a National audience..

(I feel dirty just posting this!)



Don't these people like it for you to squeal like a pig when they are doing you?

[archangel689]

These idiots don't realize that you don't necessarily want the majority view represented. You don't want the delegates to represent the majority vote all the time. Why? Because MORONS vote. If people cared enough, they would be delegates. Screw these people, they want a democracy, they sound like progressives to me.

[twofootzero]

Wow people are waking up and blowing whistles? Certainly this lady was infuenced by Dr. Paul's message. I think the youth vote and the internet is so significant in this election. Did Obama ever get these kinds of crowds at rally's or generate this kind of enthusiasm and passion?


[edit]

BOOOOMM!

[Carson]

Some were other central committee members. They were at this club

http://www.pachyderms.org/index.php

Their normal meetings are on Friday, the video was taken on Monday. Must have been an emergency meeting

Or the meeting to decide how to manipulate the stage at the Friday meeting.

[J_White]

send it to Drudge
Ben Swann
even Rachel Maddow !

so last time they had 100-150 people, this time they had 10 times that -meaning 90% people this time were new.
so instead of bringing in new people in the party who would help to beat Obama, they want to shut them out and get them arrested, because they want to vote on principles and not on petty politics ?
wonderful !

[socal]

Someone want to send it to BobMcCartyWrites@gmail.com.

http://bobmccarty.com/

How about Jamie Allman? He's the one who interviewed the initial whistleblower.
From his website,

"Since posting the 1:50 p.m. update above, I’ve learned that the video was shot Monday night by a Ron Paul supporter unfamiliar to most attendees who attended the regularly-scheduled evening meeting of the Lewis & Clark Pachyderms Club which meets in O’Fallon, Mo. Add-on at 4:52 p.m.: Dave Evans contacted me to let me know that Bryan Spencer, the man speaking in the video, was speaking after the regular Pachyderm meeting. "

And from the video comment section I found this, although the username response below isn't the same as the video uploader username,

"Did they know you had a camera there? If not, where do I get one like yours? :)"
iamaqt2012
"Do a search for "DigaNET" I have a the 2GB writing pen that will take 2? hours of video and it just looks like a fat writing pen"
btate74

[Carson]

From his website,

"Since posting the 1:50 p.m. update above, I’ve learned that the video was shot Monday night by a Ron Paul supporter unfamiliar to most attendees who attended the regularly-scheduled evening meeting of the Lewis & Clark Pachyderms Club which meets in O’Fallon, Mo. Add-on at 4:52 p.m.: Dave Evans contacted me to let me know that Bryan Spencer, the man speaking in the video, was speaking after the regular Pachyderm meeting. "

And from the video comment section I found this, although the username response below isn't the same as the video uploader username,

"Did they know you had a camera there? If not, where do I get one like yours? :)"
iamaqt2012
"Do a search for "DigaNET" I have a the 2GB writing pen that will take 2? hours of video and it just looks like a fat writing pen"btate74

I wonder if this thread had anything to do with it. Hee Hee.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?367848-The-Need-to-utilize-Covert-Cameras

[Captain Shays]

"I looked at Iowa, I looked at Maine, I looked at Nebraska and saw how they did it...." Did what? Stole votes from RP? Reported lower numbers than he actually got? Road blocked RP supporters? Tried to manipulate the MSM reportings so it looks like RP is not doing that well, hoping to hurt his chances in future states? Did we really come in 3rd? Maybe, probably, but what did Iowa, and Maine and Nebraska have to do with that?

Maybe if true and accurate numbers were reported in early states, some fence sitters would be voting RP now in these later states. But they "did it". So now we are "doing it" by their rules, and they are mad.

But, yeah, Joe 6 pack will think they are "doin' right" by attempting to manipulate the results against this massive wave of Ron Paul supporters. And Joe 6 pack does not even know why it is "right", but it must be.

Reps+
I had to scroll through 78 posts on this subject before I read a post talking about sommethnig I also noticed. I didn't want to be redundant. But reps to you because I also had the same take on those statements.
We saw what they did in Iowa and Maine? Really? I have suspected all along that there was a phone call from somebody to somebody saying "we can't let Ron Paul win" and "this is how we can stop his momentum"

As far as I'm concerned this is the smoking gun I was looking for

[Origanalist]

Reps+
I had to scroll through 78 posts on this subject before I read a post talking about sommethnig I also noticed. I didn't want to be redundant. But reps to you because I also had the same take on those statements.
We saw what they did in Iowa and Maine? Really? I have suspected all along that there was a phone call from somebody to somebody saying "we can't let Ron Paul win" and "this is how we can stop his momentum"

As far as I'm concerned this is the smoking gun I was looking for

Wow! What a thing to wake up to! I'm with you Captain Shays, that popped into my mind right away. It's been clear all along that we've been purposely shut out. I remember early in the primary some woman saying that the gop'ers in her state were absolutely not going to allow RP to win. Can't seem to remember which State at the moment though.

[sailingaway]

They are having the next one 'at the convention center' so they don't 'underestimate turn out'. They demanded, illegally, that people put who they would vote for as they checked into St Charles, and have the addresses and numbers of Paul supporters. they are going to try to swamp it. Additionally, speaking of 'what happened in Iowa' etc, in those places they broke larger areas into smaller ones. I would try to get a vote and resist that because if they do that they had the addresses to gerrymander districts most favorable to 'notPaul'. If I were an organizer of ours in MO I would look at our own addresses of who attended (ask if you have to) and see where I would create districts if I were on the other side, and try to fill the gaps.

[sailingaway]

I was thinking. We should spread this video with the meme Santorum supporting GOP members try to disenfranchise Romney supporters. Only then will the media report this.

Unfortunately, I think that might be right. :(

[Thor]

Quote Originally Posted by Thor
"I looked at Iowa, I looked at Maine, I looked at Nebraska and saw how they did it...." Did what? Stole votes from RP? Reported lower numbers than he actually got? Road blocked RP supporters? Tried to manipulate the MSM reportings so it looks like RP is not doing that well, hoping to hurt his chances in future states? Did we really come in 3rd? Maybe, probably, but what did Iowa, and Maine and Nebraska have to do with that?

Maybe if true and accurate numbers were reported in early states, some fence sitters would be voting RP now in these later states. But they "did it". So now we are "doing it" by their rules, and they are mad.

But, yeah, Joe 6 pack will think they are "doin' right" by attempting to manipulate the results against this massive wave of Ron Paul supporters. And Joe 6 pack does not even know why it is "right", but it must be.

Reps+
I had to scroll through 78 posts on this subject before I read a post talking about sommethnig I also noticed. I didn't want to be redundant. But reps to you because I also had the same take on those statements.
We saw what they did in Iowa and Maine? Really? I have suspected all along that there was a phone call from somebody to somebody saying "we can't let Ron Paul win" and "this is how we can stop his momentum"

As far as I'm concerned this is the smoking gun I was looking for

Glad someone caught it..... ;) +reps

I don't want to be the "it is a conspiracy" person, but we all know there very well could be one due to the absolute disdain for Paul from the top down, and it looks like it is starting to reveal itself with more and more proof such as this video. The State GOP in MO telling him to lay low, they all trying to figure out months in advance what to do about the Paul supporters, "I looked at Iowa, I looked at Maine, I looked at Nebraska and saw how they did it...." so all those state planned to purposefully disenfranchise Paul supporters and he got tips from them?

Performance in earlier states helps or harms future states potential performance due to the herding mentality. Frothy was doing poorly in nationwide polls until Iowa. Paul was actually doing well in the beginning. Remember the mob scene of media at the cafe in Maine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7LJ2Zj6uao

And now look at where we are. "I looked at Iowa, I looked at Maine, I looked at Nebraska and saw how they did it...." Did you now? Please tell us, how did they do it?

When the MSM and top down of the GOP will do everything they can to ignore and manipulate, our only chance is the delegate process they have in place, which they are now ignoring their own rules to try and fight.

[Carson]

I wonder what he looked at that we aren't seeing.


I imagine what we've been seeing is but a tip of the iceberg.

[Ireland4Liberty]

Sad thing is this will never change who the nominee will be and the corporate media will not report all this.

[Captain Shays]

Glad someone caught it..... ;) +reps

I don't want to be the "it is a conspiracy" person, but we all know there very well could be one due to the absolute disdain for Paul from the top down, and it looks like it is starting to reveal itself with more and more proof such as this video. The State GOP in MO telling him to lay low, they all trying to figure out months in advance what to do about the Paul supporters, "I looked at Iowa, I looked at Maine, I looked at Nebraska and saw how they did it...." so all those state planned to purposefully disenfranchise Paul supporters and he got tips from them?

Performance in earlier states helps or harms future states potential performance due to the herding mentality. Frothy was doing poorly in nationwide polls until Iowa. Paul was actually doing well in the beginning. Remember the mob scene of media at the cafe in Maine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7LJ2Zj6uao

And now look at where we are. "I looked at Iowa, I looked at Maine, I looked at Nebraska and saw how they did it...." Did you now? Please tell us, how did they do it?

When the MSM and top down of the GOP will do everything they can to ignore and manipulate, our only chance is the delegate process they have in place, which they are now ignoring their own rules to try and fight.

Actually this comment about "we looked at Iowa, we looked at Maine" has more validity than the etch o scetch comment made by Romney's guy. It's a more accurate connection between what is said and what actually happens. I took the etch o scetch comment to be what it was meant to be. That once Romney wins the nomination they start all over for Obama because winning the primary and winning the general are two different animals. OK we we ran with Romney is a flip flopper. I get it. Jump on him. But this comment is closer to a real conspiracy or rather an attempt by the establishment to deliberately subvert the campaign of Ron Paul and discourage his supporters from coming out, getting involved and donating money while giving the general impression that he doesn't stand a chance to win to dissuade new supporters from coming on board. Like I always said. When they say "Ron Paul can't win" what they really mean is "we can't let him win".

I am more convinced of that now, more than ever

[Thor]

Actually this comment about "we looked at Iowa, we looked at Maine" has more validity than the etch o scetch comment made by Romney's guy. It's a more accurate connection between what is said and what actually happens. I took the etch o scetch comment to be what it was meant to be. That once Romney wins the nomination they start all over for Obama because winning the primary and winning the general are two different animals. OK we we ran with Romney is a flip flopper. I get it. Jump on him. But this comment is closer to a real conspiracy or rather an attempt by the establishment to deliberately subvert the campaign of Ron Paul and discourage his supporters from coming out, getting involved and donating money while giving the general impression that he doesn't stand a chance to win to dissuade new supporters from coming on board. Like I always said. When they say "Ron Paul can't win" what they really mean is "we can't let him win".

I am more convinced of that now, more than ever

Well after seeing 2008, you and I both know that the GOP will play dirty to keep the Paul voice obscured. But out and out calling it a conspiracy makes one seem less than reputable. But with video proof gathering, it lays the cards out nicely for the doubters.

However, as a few have stated, and I did too with my Joe 6 pack comment, if this gains traction, the GOP and talking heads will claim they were protecting "your right to your vote" by thwarting RP supporters from taking control. When in actuality they have been playing with loaded dice all along ("I looked at Iowa, I looked at Maine, I looked at Nebraska and saw how they did it....") to thwart RP and propel their agenda, and their candidate that will carry on their bidding, with the illusion of choice.

Pure and simple, this is a political war. And they have a lot more ammo (existing control, MSM control/support, corporate dollars), but we have truth and reason, and a growing group of enlightened voters, (and more and more video footage).

[Captain Shays]

Well not only am I committed to vote for NO ONE BUT PAUL I am forever committed to warring against the media and the establishment and exposing their fraud at every opportunity. I just want to make it my life's work to discredit them because they deserve to be exposed.

Considerinhg what they have done by promoting candidates who have taxed us more than three times and amount that inspired the Boston Tea Party Revolt, 4 times as much as the feudal system we fought against Great Brotin for, and 10 times the amount that caused the Whiskey Tax rebellion yet they have with all that money driven us $16 TRILLION into debt. Their candidate send us into unnecessary-undeclared wars while they and their children rarely if ever go off to fight in those wars. THeir candidates have created an authoritarian police state that srip searches old ladies and puts their hands down the pants of little girls to "keep us safe". They send health dept officials to protect us from other little girls selling unauthorized lemonade while their IRS terrorizes normal law aboding people.

I hold the media as responsible as I do the elites in government.

The offense of blacking out or marginalizing a candidate who wants to stop the endless wars, get us out of debt and restore our lost liberties is equally horrific

[Andy]

No one but Paul! This is blatant fraud and we cannot keep letting this happen!

[puppetmaster]

No one but Paul! This is blatant fraud and we cannot keep letting this happen!

and we solve this by getting elected into committees and taking over the party. So far we are quite successful in many locations.

[Real_CaGeD]

I held back funds and will continue to do so until this campaign, including those of you here stop being pussified and do something about the blatant election fraud against our ideals.

[kathy88]

I held back funds and will continue to do so until this campaign, including those of you here stop being pussified and do something about the blatant election fraud against our ideals.

That's the spirit! Wait while others so something.

[puppetmaster]

I held back funds and will continue to do so until this campaign, including those of you here stop being pussified and do something about the blatant election fraud against our ideals.

so whats your plan....?
I hope it involves more than holding funds because that sounds like a little like a kid saying in taking my toys and going home...... What should we be doing according to you?

Our plan is working out considering, but maybe you have a better one.

[Real_CaGeD]

I did not sit here on the forums calling everyone a "tin foil hat wearing dolt" for the past six months.

The forum is pretty naive.

[Carson]

That's the spirit! Wait while others so something.


Good one!



In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.

-Mark Twain 1904




P.S. Real_CaGeD,

I should apologize for setting here talking about you in front of your face, like I'm behind your back, or something like that. Your not alone. It could be I'm just trying to prod someone else into doing something while I set on the sidelines myself.

Friends?

We're all just doing the best we can.

[RonRules]

I held back funds and will continue to do so until this campaign, including those of you here stop being pussified and do something about the blatant election fraud against our ideals.

Likewise for me. I am paying this round with time working on the vote flipping fraud. I personally think that we've proven that beyond doubt, but we have a LOT more work to do because we need a 100% watertight case. I am working to produce consistent analysis for all states that have voted thus far. It's a 50 man job working with excel. We have a Java program that helps, but there's still plenty of work to do.

Please join us here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?363915-We-NEED-more-hands-on-deck.-Significant-evidence-of-Algorithmic-vote-flipping./page209&highlight=Ohio

[PolicyReader]

Knowing about, even having 100% verifiable proof of, vote fraud won't matter if the net gets censored and you get black bagged.
The former is being worked on from more than one angle right now and the latter is already legal under more than one enacted bit of legislation.

Supporting Pauls campaign is what provided the context to expose fraud, and is the vehicle to allow for more to be exposed. Before Georgia many found talking outright election fraud 'conspiracy theory' territory, now thanks to Ron Paul supporters it's been documented.

You want to work on a case that it goes even deeper than that? Fine, and good for you, but you want to toss around a superior attitude as if anyone still giving for fighting in other areas of this battle "pussified", let me respond to that in the politest way it has earned STFU.

Donations and grassroots efforts are not mutually exclusive, many people myself included are doing both day by day. So keep your unearned superior attitude to yourself. If you think battle is won by having only one kind of tactic you need to lift your head up and look around sometime.

[Carson]

Likewise for me. I am paying this round with time working on the vote flipping fraud. I personally think that we've proven that beyond doubt, but we have a LOT more work to do because we need a 100% watertight case. I am working to produce consistent analysis for all states that have voted thus far. It's a 50 man job working with excel. We have a Java program that helps, but there's still plenty of work to do.

Please join us here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?363915-We-NEED-more-hands-on-deck.-Significant-evidence-of-Algorithmic-vote-flipping./page209&highlight=Ohio


I hope the vote flipping thing pans out. It could be of global significants.

Keep up the good work.

[Captain Shays]

We're all doing what we can. I guess we all could look in the mirror and upon close scuriny come to the conclusion that we could do more.

In the first revolution it was easier to see the enemy and fight him. We could pick up a musket and shoot the son of a bitch red coat. Today it seems we're fighting against our own people but who are remote behind a TV camera or the walls of a news paper. Our own friends don't seem to get it while many of us don't feel the sense of urgency.

It's sort of like an illness compared to an open wound. If one of our friends has an open wound bleeding profusely we'll RUN to get some bandages and disinfectant.

If one of our friends is suffereing from depression or cancer we take our time though in both of those instances our friend would much rather prefer the open bleeding wound to what he is suffering from.

How can we get everyone to understand the urgency of what we're facing if Ron Paul doesn't get elected?

[Liberty Rebellion]

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g83/derdy01/475872_10150639873057804_718957803_9582751_5727580 3_o.jpg

LOL

BTW there was really a pepto bottle on the podium when people walked in. This was photoshopped

[Chainspell]

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/554174_325530654174225_100001518793201_914098_1378 68373_n.jpg (http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/554174_325530654174225_100001518793201_914098_1378 68373_n.jpg)

[goldwater's ghost]

We're all doing what we can. I guess we all could look in the mirror and upon close scuriny come to the conclusion that we could do more.

In the first revolution it was easier to see the enemy and fight him. We could pick up a musket and shoot the son of a bitch red coat. Today it seems we're fighting against our own people but who are remote behind a TV camera or the walls of a news paper. Our own friends don't seem to get it while many of us don't feel the sense of urgency.

It's sort of like an illness compared to an open wound. If one of our friends has an open wound bleeding profusely we'll RUN to get some bandages and disinfectant.

If one of our friends is suffereing from depression or cancer we take our time though in both of those instances our friend would much rather prefer the open bleeding wound to what he is suffering from.

How can we get everyone to understand the urgency of what we're facing if Ron Paul doesn't get elected? wow. that is one of the best summations of the frustrations I feel when it comes to this election. The docility of my fellow citizens is mind numbing. You do your best to open the eyes but it's such a slow process you wonder if we'll reach critical mass too late. I have hope still but my fellow citizens have really let me down this year

[HigherVision]

I did not sit here on the forums calling everyone a "tin foil hat wearing dolt" for the past six months.

The forum is pretty naive.

Some people are slow learners. It's why I gave up on the Ron Paul movement in the last election but I've realized that we're stuck with this politics game whether we like it or not so we might as well influence it rather than stand down. But I do think that some people are going to inevitably have to weigh their fear of being socially alienated for being a 'conspiracy theorist' against their love of liberty and see which one they value more. Because I think there are probably many more of these type of revelations to come. And the question for that type of Ron Paul supporter, who still wants to fit into the mainstream for the most part, becomes are they going to accept these realities or not.

[airborne373]

I held back funds and will continue to do so until this campaign, including those of you here stop being pussified and do something about the blatant election fraud against our ideals.

Do as you please. But for your info ... I do NOT respond to ultimatums!

[jemuf]

mschlinkmann@post-dispatch.com, letters@post-dispatch.com, info@mogop.org, lloyd@mogop.org

Attorney General Koster,

bryan spencer, Chairman of the Caucus Subcommittee of the St. Charles Central Committee, has been recorded on camera admitting to rigging the St. Charles County Caucus.

http://rpflix.com/6098

He also wants to run for Missouri State Representative.

Thank you.

"I believe this is still the United States of America!"

[opinionatedfool]

If you were involved in the St. Charles caucus and want to report the fraud, this is the form you have to fill out to file a report with the ACLU:

http://www.aclu-em.org/downloads/ComplaintForm2007.pdf

[2012]

New member here. I'm shocked and disgusted that the MSM includes censorship of independent YouTube videos. So many of these videos have been taken down that it's frankly hard to find one when just searching for either "Ron Paul" or rigged caucus. Please save and repost, because it appears that they are all flagged for deletion or have the "Like"/thumbs up option disabled so the masses take it as less than it is. Scary world we live in today when honest Americans are not allowed to discuss let alone view the illegal dismantling of our election process at the whims of the few fat cats running the show.

RP 2012.

[Chainspell]

New member here. I'm shocked and disgusted that the MSM includes censorship of independent YouTube videos. So many of these videos have been taken down that it's frankly hard to find one when just searching for either "Ron Paul" or rigged caucus. Please save and repost, because it appears that they are all flagged for deletion or have the "Like"/thumbs up option disabled so the masses take it as less than it is. Scary world we live in today when honest Americans are not allowed to discuss let alone view the illegal dismantling of our election process at the whims of the few fat cats running the show.

RP 2012.
Trust me. If it gets really bad Google will show it's true colors...

[2012]

Trust me. If it gets really bad Google will show it's true colors...


Google? Really? Run for the hills man, Google has been your big brother for a long time.

Google's slogan: "You Search for it now, we'll illegally arrest you later".


I'd happily take my chances with the TSA before trusting Google for personal liberties.

[Captain Shays]

"A little matter will move a party, but it must be something great that moves a nation." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1792

[PolicyReader]

We're all doing what we can. I guess we all could look in the mirror and upon close scuriny come to the conclusion that we could do more.

In the first revolution it was easier to see the enemy and fight him. We could pick up a musket and shoot the son of a bitch red coat. Today it seems we're fighting against our own people but who are remote behind a TV camera or the walls of a news paper. Our own friends don't seem to get it while many of us don't feel the sense of urgency.

It's sort of like an illness compared to an open wound. If one of our friends has an open wound bleeding profusely we'll RUN to get some bandages and disinfectant.

If one of our friends is suffereing from depression or cancer we take our time though in both of those instances our friend would much rather prefer the open bleeding wound to what he is suffering from.

How can we get everyone to understand the urgency of what we're facing if Ron Paul doesn't get elected?
Have I repped you for this yet? If not I should. Well said.

[Captain Shays]

Have I repped you for this yet? If not I should. Well said.

Thanks Bro. I don't know if you "repped" me or not. I have no idea how to check or why I have two green bars and others have 20 and you have three. It's all good. We're bro's in this war and I think we'll be in it all the way.

My feeling though it may be a little off topic, is that this may be our last chance. There ain't gonna be a 2016 for another chance at liberty. It's either we win now or start stockpiling food, ammo, water, medical needs, and finding like minded friends you can trust.

I got fired from my job for campaigning to customers. A few weeks later they hired me back. I am campaigning to customers again. Just in a more subtle way of course. I have learned to kewl my jetts a little, be a lot more tactful and dance around the edges before striking with a hard hit point. So far so good (wink)

Edit: Ha! I just noticed that I have three bars. Thnx.

[Captain Shays]

wow. that is one of the best summations of the frustrations I feel when it comes to this election. The docility of my fellow citizens is mind numbing. You do your best to open the eyes but it's such a slow process you wonder if we'll reach critical mass too late. I have hope still but my fellow citizens have really let me down this year
With me, I get outraged when I see the video of the little girl crying "mommy make it stop" as the butchy TSA wanna be lady puts her hands all the way into the little girl's pants to make us safe.
I lose my mind when I see videos of authoritarian scumbag cops beating the snot out of some kid or a woman or knocking down a kid off his bike or shooting a family dog.

My head wants to explode with RAGE when some piece of crap thinks he has the authority to tell me what I can or cannot put into my own body.

I see wounded soldiers fighting in some war that had nothing to do with protecting of THIS country or our liberties. I see a corrupt media and party structure. I see a lying bunch of corporate controllled politicians saying anything they think people will want to hear just to get elected KNOWING that nothing will change. Our debt will grow deeper. We will be involved in more unnecessary wars with more people dying needlessly and all the while those same ill informed, dumbed down, un-involved friends and family will AGAIN vote for their masters. I am talking about people who are WAY smarter than me in just about every other way, but when it comes to governent, the economy and individual liberty they are complete morons....OR they are apathetic ....OR they are so indoctrinated they are no longer capable of seeing.......OR they simply feel powerless to change anything at all so they just go along to get along.

Not me! I'm here to fight to the end of my days

[sulindersurresh]

Is the RP campaign management looking at this fraud evidence and are they doing anything about it?

[Alazar]

Yeah, has anything happened with this yet? I haven't seen any activity regarding it for the past few days. I'm a bit surprised that nothing much seems to have come of this by now, it seems too flagrant to just ignore... does anyone know if there is at least something significant going on behind the scenes?

[sailingaway]

I think the campaign's first priority is to have the caucus come off without a hitch. they are obviously planning to overwhelm us by putting it in a convention center.... I assume the campaign is using this for leverage for fair process. Also the campaign and Romney just banded together to challenge an entire slate of Santorum delegates who had been crammed down by voter suppression tactics at another caucus, and this makes that more 'defensible' to those disinclined to believe there was any party shenanigans.

I agree there is a lot of proof in a lot of states.

Welcome to the forums, by the way!

[JJ2]

I think the campaign's first priority is to have the caucus come off without a hitch. they are obviously planning to overwhelm us by putting it in a convention center.... I assume the campaign is using this for leverage for fair process.

The caucus was rescheduled? I hadn't heard this. When is it?

[Justinfrom1776]

The caucus was rescheduled? I hadn't heard this. When is it?

Tuesday, April 10th. 7:00P.M. I'll be Tweeting or something.

[sailingaway]

Tuesday, April 10th. 7:00P.M. I'll be Tweeting or something.

I suggest you do it soon, so people don't develop schedule issues. They had a long time to plan their calendars around the last one.