Paul calls Giuliani a chickenhawk by name in Rolling Stone

[FluffyUnbound]

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/17323345/ron_paul_a_republican_takes_the_lead_against_the_w ar

Now it's clobberin time, boys

[FluffyUnbound]

Also Cheney!

CHENEY THE CHICKEN-HAWK

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Sure, the former obstetrician has a goofy nostalgia for the gold standard, not to mention medieval views on abortion and immigration.

Tim DICKinson is just a moron. That's his problem

[Brinck Slattery]

Wow! Dr. Paul comes out swinging!

[FluffyUnbound]

Tim DICKinson is just a moron. That's his problem

Ordinarily I would agree, but that unfortunate line will pass utterly without notice. The political press focuses on whatever's NEW in each successive candidate statement, and this has to signal a more aggressive phase of the campaign is going to begin.

If they can send those Weekly Standard a-holes out to call Paul a Nazi, Paul can call their boy a chickenhawk.

This is a more assertive direct attack on the war party than any made by any candidate on the national stage to date. Bloggers call Giuliani a chickenhawk - not Congressmen. Until today.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

How is leaving abortion to states "medieval"? How is securing your borders "medieval"? Nations didn't even secure their borders in medieval times, what a douchebag! Why? because they weren't subsidizing millions of people to flood their countries, that's why. They didn't need to

[Shellshock1918]

wow

Go Ron Go!!

Joe you gotta remember the Rolling Stone magazine is liberal, very liberal.

[Dorfsmith]

Just got done reading this interview. Does anybody know if this will be in RS magazine or is it just online?

[Mark Rushmore]

But since Giuliani is so anxious to go to war, somebody ought to ask him why he didn't go when he was called up instead of ducking it like some of those other chicken hawks...

scathing..

[American]

That doesnt sound like Dr. Paul at all, WOW. I hope there is some video of that.

[ronpaulitician]

Go get 'em, Ron!

[FluffyUnbound]

The guys at the Corner are going to absolutely go berserk.

[OceanMachine7]

Should this be forwarded on to other new networks? A lot of exposure could be gained if there was a public fight between Giuliani and Paul. And, the media loves this politician-not-serving stuff.

[uncloned21]

good interview! forwarding to dem friends...

[max]

But since Giuliani is so anxious to go to war, somebody ought to ask him why he didn't go when he was called up instead of ducking it like some of those other chicken hawks...

scathing..

yes!!!!

this is EXACTLY what RP needs to do...

take teflon rudy on directly....

[plb]

Ah I love when the good doctor voices his opinion

[FluffyUnbound]

Should this be forwarded on to other new networks? A lot of exposure could be gained if there was a public fight between Giuliani and Paul. And, the media loves this politician-not-serving stuff.

Somebody please, please call Hannity and ask him about this. His head will pop off.

[max]

Should this be forwarded on to other new networks? A lot of exposure could be gained if there was a public fight between Giuliani and Paul. And, the media loves this politician-not-serving stuff.

ABSOLUTELY...

the media loves drama!!!!

[plb]

I like what he said here as well...


Besides, who are the people telling us there'll be problems if we leave? The same ones who said it would be a *cakewalk. What kind of credibility do they have?

[LFOD]

hoo hoo ... although by default RP is diplomatic and refrains from attacks, once in a while he'll throw a left jab - POW! And it's all the more powerful for it's infrequent use. Now if one of the media-annointed "top tier" on either side had called Giuliani a chicken hawk, it'd be front page news. Let's see what kind of coverage this gets.

[Ridiculous]

The media lurks here as CNN made obvious. So I am sure they have seen the thread.

I am sure that political reporters get the google news alerts for Ron Paul.

[OceanMachine7]

I plan on sending a tip to the New York Times when I get home from work this evening.

[JPFromTally]

I'm glad Dr. Paul is pointing out that he served as opposed to the others.

[LibertyEagle]

I love it!! :D

GO, RON, GO!

[iddo]

It's not the first time that RP uses the term chickenhawk:
It is said we go about the world waging war to promote peace, and yet the price paid is rarely weighed against the failed efforts to make the world a better place. Justifying conscription to promote the cause of liberty is one of the most bizarre notions ever conceived by man! Forced servitude, with the risk of death and serious injury as a price to live free, makes no sense. What right does anyone have to sacrifice the lives of others for some cause of questionable value? Even if well motivated it can’t justify using force on uninterested persons. It’s said that the 18 year old owes it to his country. Hogwash! It just as easily could be argued that a 50 year-old chickenhawk, who promotes war and places the danger on innocent young people, owes a heck of a lot more to the country than the 18 year-old being denied his liberty for a cause that has no justification. (link (http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2003/cr112103.htm))

[MsDoodahs]

Somebody please, please call Hannity and ask him about this. His head will pop off.

You TOTALLY cracked me up.

:D

[Falseflagop]

GO RON !!! Man your battle stations and time to bring this out in the open!!


LOVE IT!!

[bobmurph]

Get 'em Ron!!!

[slantedview]

EXCELLENT article. That is awesome.

CNN: If you're listening, why can't you get as good an interview as Rolling Stone? I hope you're taking notes.

[Smiley Gladhands]

Woohoo! That's the kind of assertive talk I like to see coming from Ron.

[Drknows]

The Gloves are coming off. Ron Paul vs Rudy. Who's the underdog now?

[davidkachel]

Our man has some fire in his belly. All you gotta do is push the wrong button!

"Beware the small quiet man. He'll kill you!" Matt Helm

[Goldwater Conservative]

That doesnt sound like Dr. Paul at all, WOW. I hope there is some video of that.

I agree, but I do hope he takes Giuliani to task exactly the same way in the next debate. People need to wake up and realize that something is going on when veterans are against the war and donating more to Paul than anybody, but all the draft-dodgers are trying to deepen this war and start more.

Now where's that poll that shows how our troops are majority anti-war...

[Erazmus]

Wow, Ron is taking it to them!!!! Yeah!

[dwdollar]

OUCH

[robatsu]

Wow! Total war, if it wasn't already.

[wgadget]

Let's go tell Matt Drudge.

[gagnonstudio]

Let's go tell Matt Drudge.

I sent a tip. Everyone else should do the same, he likes to be the one to break big stories.

[wgadget]

Done. Don't forget the link. He likes links.

[Ozwest]

Youza! Ron just handed Giuliani a couple of bags of nuts.

[FluffyUnbound]

I agree, but I do hope he takes Giuliani to task exactly the same way in the next debate. People need to wake up and realize that something is going on when veterans are against the war and donating more to Paul than anybody, but all the draft-dodgers are trying to deepen this war and start more.

Now where's that poll that shows how our troops are majority anti-war...

Speaking of the next debate, Ron better memorize all the details of Rudy's draft deferment record, 'cause I don't think Rudy is going to be happy about this.

[wgadget]

Check this out:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0212072giuliani17.html

Don't forget to click on "Next"

[Ozwest]

Speaking of the next debate, Ron better memorize all the details of Rudy's draft deferment record, 'cause I don't think Rudy is going to be happy about this.

Excuse my lack of decorum, but TOUGH TITTIES!!

[FluffyUnbound]

Is there a Giuliani forum? We should let them know about this, so that we can bask in their faux outrage.

[richard1984]

Excellent interview. Dr. Paul obviously feels that it's time to pick things up a bit and take it to the next level. I think that this is a good move. He's found his footing, and he's standing his ground. He might just be able to discredit all of the other contenders before this is over. He'll be the pretty boy in a crowd of bruised, injured, and whining "chickenhawks."


On a side note, I didn't know that 'chickenhawk' meant this, specifically:
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenhawk_(politics):

Chickenhawk (also chicken hawk and chicken-hawk; sometimes designated after a person's name by [c.h.]) is a political epithet used in the United States to criticize a politician, bureaucrat, or commentator who strongly supports a war or other military action, but has never personally been in a war, especially if that person actively avoided military service when of draft age.

The term is meant to indicate that the person in question is cowardly or hypocritical for personally avoiding combat in the past while advocating that others go to war in the present. Generally, the implication is that "chickenhawks" lack the experience, judgment, or moral standing to make decisions about going to war.

Even Ron Paul's insults are thoughtful. ;)

[Falseflagop]

EMAIL Drudge and every news outlet about these comments as this will raise MORE free press and attract people to RP and the TEA PARTY !! We have 32 days to get people on board for RP Revolution!

[Ozwest]

Can anybody out there superimpose Ron Pauls magnificent head on a super-hero body and post it!

[billv]

Something didn't sit right with me about that interview. It didn't sound like Dr. Paul to me. Many of the phrases did but it didn't sound like a word for word transcript of what he said in my opinion.

[Ozwest]

Something didn't sit right with me about that interview. It didn't sound like Dr. Paul to me. Many of the phrases did but it didn't sound like a word for word transcript of what he said in my opinion.

Welcome to the Ron Paul Revolution!

[kalami]

Something didn't sit right with me about that interview. It didn't sound like Dr. Paul to me. Many of the phrases did but it didn't sound like a word for word transcript of what he said in my opinion.

I got the same impression.

[richard1984]

Something didn't sit right with me about that interview. It didn't sound like Dr. Paul to me. Many of the phrases did but it didn't sound like a word for word transcript of what he said in my opinion.

Can you be more specific? If your referring to the stern, more aggressive tone, I agree (I think). But it's not necessarily a bad thing is it? They perhaps editted his responses for succinctness, but I'd say they did a pretty decent job--especially considering that this is Rolling Stone, and their audience will probably respond more positively to a feisty Ron Paul. Especially when it comes to bashing the warmongers. ;)

[Energy]

Anyone have a link that summarizes Giuliani's and the other candidates' military experiences or lack thereof (and draft deferments)?

[spacebetween]

I also have a weird feeling about this article. Like someone else said, his phrases that he uses are in there. But something just doesn't sit right -- it doesn't sound like him.

It sounds very stern and aggressive, which I like, though.

[ape]

But since Giuliani is so anxious to go to war, somebody ought to ask him why he didn't go when he was called up instead of ducking it like some of those other chicken hawks — he took, what, four deferrals?


rongasm! ahhhhhhhhh~

[FluffyUnbound]

I also have a weird feeling about this article. Like someone else said, his phrases that he uses are in there. But something just doesn't sit right -- it doesn't sound like him.

It sounds very stern and aggressive, which I like, though.

To me the only parts that sounded unusual were some of the more detailed bits about the Iran situation and Iran's involvement in Iraq.

But that may just be because this interviewer actually asked followup questions based on Ron's initial answers, and teased out more of his position than is usually the case in these things.

The interview sounds weird because it's substantive and doesn't have the obligatory "So are you surprised anyone likes you?" and "So when are you going to announce your third party run?" questions or other boilerplate.

[plb]

Hopefully the media picks up on this. Anyone emailed any stations yet?

[Lord Xar]

Tim DICKinson is just a moron. That's his problem

Yeah... how strange. Over 70% of america wants this "medevil immigration" policy.... this guy is a left. I appreciate his article, but I hate when writers have to inflect "their" beliefs in an article. Hey TIM!!! America keeps yelling loud and clear, NO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!

[maxmerkel]

could we please all report "ape" to the moderators?! (look 4 posts above)

he calls himself "ape" and uses a picture of an afro american man. i guess he wants to smear ron paul supporters as white supremacist nazzis.

[wfd40]

wow

Go Ron Go!!

Joe you gotta remember the Rolling Stone magazine is liberal, very liberal.

My mother is liberal, very liberal and thought that that interview was amazing :)

I dare anyone to find one inkling of falsehood in it.

BRAVISIMO Dr. Paul!

[LinearChaos]

could we please all report "ape" to the moderators?! (look 4 posts above)

he calls himself "ape" and uses a picture of an afro american man. i guess he wants to smear ron paul supporters as white supremacist nazzis.
I don't get that from his post history...

[bbachtung]

RP has used the term chicken-hawk before (he's also used the term hogwash):



Some say the 18-year old draftee “owes it” to his (or her, since HR 163 makes woman eligible for the draft) country. Hogwash! It just as easily could be argued that a 50 year-old chicken-hawk, who promotes war and places innocent young people in danger, owes more to the country than the 18 year-old being denied his (or her) liberty.

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=587



The best test (a test the chicken hawks who promoted the war refused to take) for those who are so eager to send our troops to die in no-win wars is this: “Am I willing to go; am I willing to be shot; am I willing to die for this cause; am I willing to sacrifice my children and grandchildren for this effort?” The bottom line: Is this Iraq war worth the loss of more than 1200 dead Americans, and thousands of severe casualties, with no end in sight, likely lasting for years and motivating even more suicidal attacks on innocent Americans here at home?

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=581



Remember, most Neo-con planners fall into the category of chicken-hawks.

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=538

[maxmerkel]

I don't get that from his post history...

do you see the picture he uses and his username ??
i looked at hist past posts too, nothing offending, but this forums is in the news and gets scanned by reporters, i think he should change the picture or his username.

[Primbs]

It sounds like Ron Paul.

[john_anderson_ii]

If someone is unhappy with the Bush policy, they would find Giuliani's would be even more extreme. But since Giuliani is so anxious to go to war, somebody ought to ask him why he didn't go when he was called up instead of ducking it like some of those other chicken hawks — he took, what, four deferrals?


Sounds like the truth to me.

[Lord Xar]

could we please all report "ape" to the moderators?! (look 4 posts above)

he calls himself "ape" and uses a picture of an afro american man. i guess he wants to smear ron paul supporters as white supremacist nazzis.

hmmm. I agree. It is a sad state of affairs that someting like a picture is construed weidly with a screenname. You see what collectitivsm does? Another reason to vote Ron Paul.

But yes, it's a litte insulting and sorta, well, loaded... post history is not a barometer. I would suggest he pick a different pic. oh well.

[hard@work]

Awesome! I hope the term "chickenhawk" is used a lot more now.

;)

[Ozwest]

Are some ultra right Republicans knees starting to buckle?

[Syren123]

YEOWZAA!!! Callin' it like he sees it!! Way to go, Dr Paul!!
That's actually a great interview! The first paragraph shows the author to be a little bit of a moron, but I'll bet it's just because he, too, is fresh out of Columbia School of Journalism and just doesn't know anything. He'll learn, though.

If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart.
If you're not a conservative when you're 40, you have no brain.

[Joby]

For being a very liberal magazine, not a bad article.

Is this going to be in the hard-copy, too?

[Energy]

It's at the front page of reddit right now.

Discussion:
http://politics.reddit.com/info/60knp/comments/

[Swmorgan77]

How is leaving abortion to states "medieval"? How is securing your borders "medieval"? Nations didn't even secure their borders in medieval times, what a douchebag! Why? because they weren't subsidizing millions of people to flood their countries, that's why. They didn't need to

Ironically it was the opening of the borders of the Roman empire, and the use of foreign germanic hordes by the Roman military that ushered in the "midieval" period.

[JMann]

Rolling Stone sucks. If supporting the life of every person is medieval than I wonder what sucking the unborn out of the womb and throwing the baby parts in a trash can is.

[Ozwest]

Rolling Stone sucks. If supporting the life of every person is medieval than I wonder what sucking the unborn out of the womb and throwing the baby parts in a trash can is.

Wow, them's strong words.

[JMann]

Wow, them's strong words.

Oh and BTW I'm pro-choice for the most part.

[AlexMerced]

it's time for this ron paul to come out http://youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo

[RP4ME]

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/17323345/ron_paul_a_republican_takes_the_lead_against_the_w ar

Now it's clobberin time, boys

Dems fighting words! BRing it on!!!! Its about time!!!!!:D

[Adamsa]

The hell? I don't think this is what Ron Paul has said at all.

[Recovering Socialist]

Rolling Stone Quote:
Q-Giuliani seems to be the warmonger in chief — leading the drumbeat for war with Iran. What would a Giuliani presidency mean for our national security?

A-Ron Paul-If someone is unhappy with the Bush policy, they would find Giuliani's would be even more extreme. But since Giuliani is so anxious to go to war, somebody ought to ask him why he didn't go when he was called up instead of ducking it like some of those other chicken hawks — he took, what, four deferrals?

The kids today are expected to go because Giuliani likes this stuff. But whether it's Cheney or Giuliani, these guys think it's quite proper to go to war when they feel like it. But they never had to expose themselves."

[Jmaths117]

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/17323345/ron_paul_a_republican_takes_the_lead_against_the_w ar

Now it's clobberin time, boys

This doesn't sound like Ron Paul at all. Is this another ghostwriter? Maybe Ron Paul's more confident?

[BuddyRey]

Has the MSM brought up this story yet, or are they still covering O.J.-gate 2.0?

[ChooseLiberty]

Now for the MSM-

Wolf Blitzer: Dr, Paul you raised $4.2 million and now you have called Rudy Ghouliani a 'chickenhawk' in Rolling Stone magazine. Would you endorse Mr. Ghouiani if he should win the nomination?

[Adamsa]

I find it hard to believe Ron would insult someone like that.

[Chomsky]

FluffyUnbound do you have the same name on PT?

[ChooseLiberty]

It's great how he always calls it like it is.

Ghouliani and Cheney want other people to die for their country.

[bbachtung]

I find it hard to believe Ron would insult someone like that.

It is not an insult, it is an accurate label. It is no different than RP calling Bill O'Reilly a demagogue.

[Ron Paul Fan]

It's very accurate. Giuliani is a draft dodger and a chicken hawk. Ron Paul is justified in calling him that and I like it! People want him to become more aggressive and once he does they complain. When Ron Paul was called to duty during the Vietnam War, he answered that call. Giuliani wants to spread the war into Iran and send more young kids off to die, yet he wouldn't even go fight for this country himself. That makes Rudy Giuliani a CHICKEN HAWK!

[uncloned21]

CHICK HAWK CHICKEN HAWK LALALALa

[adpierce]

It sounds like Ron Paul, especially recently he seems to be becoming more direct and aggressive in articulating his positions. I think we're convincing him he can win.

[FluffyUnbound]

FluffyUnbound do you have the same name on PT?

I'm sorry, I don't know what PT stands for.

[manny]

This is an excellent move by RP.

I can believe he said it or something like it. RP is polite we all know that. But this is an extremely emotional issue. Rudy's policies would likely result in nuclear war, the deaths of hundreds of thousands, possible millions of people, and a far more dangerous world. And he wants the children of poor people to do it. Is it not fair to point out that he didn't want to fight? Hell, I would guess Rudy has never been in a playground fight.

The reason this is a good tactic is simple - it presents RP's character/history in a "bite-size" fashion. We've all taken the time to read up on him and have come to the conclusion he's super honest and a humble, decent guy. But how to represent this to your average joe? Well I think a contrast of military records is an excellent way to do it - RP served his country, Rudy chickened out. Then add in that Rudy wants to start wars and most will start to see a flawed and disingenuous character.

Personally I am incensed every time the neo-cons claim to be patriotic and RP unpatriotic. I wish they would get taken on more on their pathetic recrods. RP is the most patriotic, republican, all-American guy running.

[max]

I find it hard to believe Ron would insult someone like that.

its not an insult...

its the truth...

an insult would be if he talked about giuliani's adultery...or the fact that his own kids do not endorse him..or that he and his current homewrecking wife are both married 3 times...

[American]

It might be the truth but that still doesnt sound like Dr. Paul

I like it personally, maybe its time to take the gloves off and rip someone a new ***hole?

[Geronimo]

Check this out:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0212072giuliani17.html

Don't forget to click on "Next"

Is there one of these sites for Mitt?

[Adamsa]

Is there one of these sites for Mitt?

http://romneyfacts.com/redblue.php

[manny]

Is there one of these sites for Mitt?

Glad you bumped up that link - just finished reading through it. Powerful stuff. If anybody runs into a human Rudy supporter (though my feeling is they're just spammers and don't really exist- see straw polls) you should just print out the stuff on smokinggun and hand it to them.#

And to think these creeps call Ron Paul unpatriotic :mad:

[bc2208]

Awesome!

[manny]

http://romneyfacts.com/redblue.php


lol this is even better. Rudy and Romney must be two of the least likely guys in America to actually win the election. I reckon Bush could defeat this pair. Providing Paul's message and record keep being pushed I think the polls will steadily build e.g. now 8% in NH and we know those polls are seriously skewed. The establishment approved "top tier" (my god how stupid that will look when Paul wins) must be about the weakest selection of candidates ever put before the electorate. No wonder the media has tried so hard to push them - if they were any good they could do it themselves.

[freelance]

It's about time! Good for Ron Paul! I think he's probably seething that they dare to call his supporters terrorists. Just wait until that Domestic Terrorism bill passes the Senate and makes it into law. They're out their laying the groundwork against us and against him. Good for him. I can't wait until he addresses that issue too.

[surf]

is there a "romneyfacts" - type site for ron?

good for Ron

[Jerome]

Paul stands for a lot of things Rollingstone allegedly stands for. I'm a longtime subscriber but was always turned off by some of their Neo-Lib tactics. I thought to myself "If they don't interview the one person that is adamently opposed to the war, they will have lost all credibility". So at least they did that. Informative interview, but the interviewer did some twisting and spinning in there.

Now show me a feature on Ron Paul instead of a brief interview and I will give them props.

[fase2000tdi]

he was in rolling stone and didn't mention how he wants to end the war on drugs?
FUCK

[jd603]

Haahhah Chickenhawks , that's great.



http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/17323345/ron_paul_a_republican_takes_the_lead_against_the_w ar

Now it's clobberin time, boys

[FluffyUnbound]

he was in rolling stone and didn't mention how he wants to end the war on drugs?
FUCK

The interviewer was only interested in the war on Muslims.

[Proemio]

yes!!!!

this is EXACTLY what RP needs to do...

take teflon rudy on directly....

You are now authorized to reinsert the stuff you were badgered into taking out of your Founders ad - maybe.
You will also get appologies from those insisting that Ron Paul would never...

Hopefully some will learn a thing or two, for the next time around.

Comittees will be the death of the human race...

[ape]

could we please all report "ape" to the moderators?! (look 4 posts above)

he calls himself "ape" and uses a picture of an afro american man. i guess he wants to smear ron paul supporters as white supremacist nazzis.


The thought never crossed my mind having an african american aka his winning smile on my avatar and the name ape could be considered a cheap shot towards blacks and an attempt to undermine RP. Forgive me, my mind doesn't think that way. Ape was my nickname growing up, I also had this name on the Sean hannity forums before I got banned in March of this year.


Do me a favor, next time instead of making a big stink about it in public just send me a PM, ok?

[MadTheologian]

Sure, the former obstetrician has a goofy nostalgia for the gold standard, not to mention medieval views on abortion and immigration.

Like being medieval is a bad thing! :p

*takes up sword and heads to nearest SCA meeting*

[Richandler]

It's a great interview, but the the intro is neo-journalism, where the journalist is making claims without researching facts or history.

[Lord Xar]

I find it interesting that we always read on yahoo or aol news that "Romeny calls gouliania ..." or "mccain says thompson is..."

YET, Ron Paul calls ghouliani a chickenhawk, yet - nothing!
hmmmm

I think the MSM doesn't want this match-up.

[noztnac]

I've been telling the people I know inside the campaign to go after Giuliani on the war issue for some time. It will work. I think maybe they were waiting for McCain to deliver the message but I'm glad to see Dr. Paul dealing the blow.